Speedruns on TV

2005-07-02 09:30:24 pm

Your almighty lordship

Stealing material from an established website without the proper consent from the owners of the videos and the creators. Sounds like G4 to me...

soteos

2005-07-02 09:39:16 pm

Well if they showed something like the metroid run, in the last half hour they could slip in an extra 10 minute run of something else or something. Half hour shows would be good, because people could actually watch something like the zelda run as if it were an ongoing sitcom, and not have to take it all in one sitting.

Morb1d

2005-07-03 05:46:53 am

Tiberian Dawn Modder

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^ ya, the zelda OoT run is a great run, but people who channel surf are most likely not going to simply sit down and waste 5 hours of the day watching a speedrun unless they are absolutly bored to death

For christsakes, it takes a good 3 hours to show 2 hour movies on tv, and we all know how annoying it is with commercials!

That's another thing too, there'd be commercials :/ But it'd be interesting to see where they make the cuts!

I wouldnt go as far as to say bored, I hadnt played the game in years and watching it gave me that nostalgic feeling...now here i am...playing through it again...with the serious urge to finish it in one day...then quicker....(probably wont happen)

They could have it like a TV show with episodes. You watch half an hour every day of a run, and you tune back in the next day for the next half hour. I know it has it's flaws in it, like how to cut up a run into half an hour segments.

I could imagine it! "Prepare for next weeks Zelda OOT speedrun when Link and Gannon prepare for BATTLE!" :-/

[quote]^ ya, the zelda OoT run is a great run, but people who channel surf are most likely not going to simply sit down and waste 5 hours of the day watching a speedrun unless they are absolutly bored to death

For christsakes, it takes a good 3 hours to show 2 hour movies on tv, and we all know how annoying it is with commercials!

That's another thing too, there'd be commercials :/ But it'd be interesting to see where they make the cuts!

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I wouldnt go as far as to say bored, I hadnt played the game in years and watching it gave me that nostalgic feeling...now here i am...playing through it again...with the serious urge to finish it in one day...then quicker....(probably wont happen)

[i]They could have it like a TV show with episodes. You watch half an hour every day of a run, and you tune back in the next day for the next half hour. I know it has it's flaws in it, like how to cut up a run into half an hour segments. [/i]

I could imagine it! "Prepare for next weeks Zelda OOT speedrun when Link and Gannon prepare for BATTLE!"  :-/

joey9170

2005-07-07 03:44:33 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

the question is: how long would the show be? I don't think g4 is going to shove a 2 hour block in just to show one long game ran through and a couple of short ones. also I think G4 would only show runs for games like grand theft auto and halo and that stuff.

Mr_Bigglesworth

2005-07-08 04:04:44 am

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Even 1 hour is too much, the audience will get bored because there arent many people enough willing to sit through a speedrun that long, I've seen the zelda : oot one before, watched it from the start to the end in one sitting, now tell me, how many people will actually sit down and watch something like that?

(Now i need to re-download the zelda oot run...stupid dialup)

I've done that before...I must have wasted 6-7 hours of the day just sitting in front of the computer doing nothing but downloading and watching that run. My ass hurt and my eyes burned... But it was certainly worth it!

TSA

2005-07-08 04:08:30 am

Retired

PREMIERE DATE: 7/7/2005
NEXT AIRING: 7/8/2005 3:30pm ET / 12:30pm PT more repeats

Zelda Speed Run
Episode #5056

In this hyper-speed episode, Cinematech brings you an amazing high-speed speed run through the Legend of Zelda (NES) as one mighty gamer completes it in under 38 minutes. Plus, we show some awesome cutscenes from some of the biggest games to come out in the last year, including Ninja Gaiden and Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy.

soteos

2005-07-08 05:16:16 am

Whoa, I gotta see that. Hey, no commentators on Cinematech. Wink

It's not your 35:50 run, so whose is it?

slYnki

2005-07-08 05:56:14 am

XXY

TSA, I would first like to state that you're a god o.o

Second of all, I was wondering if you were ever going to claim that world record time of 33 minutes on Legend of Zelda for NES?

transience

2005-07-08 03:55:15 pm

trust the fungus

did you contact them or did they choose it by themselves?

TSA

2005-07-08 05:15:46 pm

Retired

I had no knowledge it was ever going to be on...until Radix IMed me saying a Zelda run was on G4...and I asked which.

It's a VHS submission to TG, and I guess I did say they could use it cuz in 2003 when I submitted my first entry to them, they said G4 was interested and I said they could use whatever they wanted. This was for my sub 2 ALttP...but I never was told/asked/informed about this. Radix told me as it was airing.

transience

2005-07-08 05:56:05 pm

trust the fungus

damn. it's cool that your run is showing, but it'd be cooler if we could somehow submit them to be on G4. there's probably a bunch of runs that are G4-worthy on here.

Yoshi348

2005-07-08 06:23:54 pm

dinosaur from the past

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G4-worthy

Never thought I'd hear THAT expression used in a positive sense.

transience

2005-07-08 06:59:54 pm

trust the fungus

eh, by G4-worthy I meant TV-worthy. I've never actually watched G4, it's more for the exposure than anything else.

Cygnus

2005-07-10 02:03:07 am

Ben Goldberg

I'm watching the Zelda speed run right now. They minimized it and put it in the corner, though. Well, hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

Yoshi348

2005-07-10 05:36:51 am

dinosaur from the past

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They minimized it and put it in the corner, though. Well, hopefully this is a sign of things to come.

That's an odd combination of sentences.

Anyway, what did they show with the rest of the space? The cutscenes mentioned in the blurb TSA posted? (A show about watching cutscenes? WTF?)

soteos

2005-07-10 09:23:38 am

Cinematech IS a show about cutscenes.
It seems like since TSA said it'd be on, they've hid the show. I can't find it.
Ah well maybe I should start waking up earlier than 3 pm.

Cygnus

2005-07-10 07:21:33 pm

Ben Goldberg

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That's an odd combination of sentences.

I knew someone would comment on that. Well, you know what I mean.

TSA

2005-07-11 03:12:55 pm

Retired

http://www.g4tv.com/cinematech/episodes/4251/Zelda_Speed_Run.html

ORIGINALLY AIRED: 7/7/2005
NEXT AIRING: 7/12/2005 3:30pm ET / 12:30pm PT

naughty_hanyou

2005-07-12 03:46:28 pm

They showed some of the Mario 64 70 star run on AOTS. (on G4)

TSA

2005-07-12 04:03:50 pm

Retired

The new one?

soteos

2005-07-12 05:18:00 pm

Oh you gotta give more details than that.
Plus, I think Marshmallow or LeCoureur would have been notified.

Or can they take any runs from here and play them on tv without permission?

Emptyeye Makin Money, See

2005-07-12 05:48:29 pm

I'm not sure if they CAN do it or not, but the fact remains that they seemingly ARE doing it. Given the reputation G4 earned for themselves in the wake of the TechTV takeover, I'm not surprised in the least that they seem capable of it.

Truthfully, we seem to be in a position similar (NOT identical, but there are definitely similarities) to that internet video game FAQ writers were in in the mid-late 90s--print media (EGM was a huge offender) were either simply lifting FAQs off of the Internet without telling anyone, or working with Internet FAQ writers only to stab them in the back by miscrediting them, simply not crediting them at all, or something similar. Eventually, the FAQ-writing community called bullshit on them, and via various threats/communications, relationships improved.

I'm not sure that speedrunners have much legal recourse here--after all, it's not ripping off a work of literature without permission and selling it for profit--but I'm just about sure that G4 will continue shamelessly displaying these speedruns (Note that as I've never actually watched an episode, I don't know if they're giving credit to the runner or whatnot) as long as we let them.

I'm not sure if they CAN do it or not, but the fact remains that they seemingly ARE doing it. Given the reputation G4 earned for themselves in the wake of the TechTV takeover, I'm not surprised in the least that they seem capable of it.

Truthfully, we seem to be in a position similar (NOT identical, but there are definitely similarities) to that internet video game FAQ writers were in in the mid-late 90s--print media (EGM was a huge offender) were either simply lifting FAQs off of the Internet without telling anyone, or working with Internet FAQ writers only to stab them in the back by miscrediting them, simply not crediting them at all, or something similar. Eventually, the FAQ-writing community called bullshit on them, and via various threats/communications, relationships improved.

I'm not sure that speedrunners have much legal recourse here--after all, it's not ripping off a work of literature without permission and selling it for profit--but I'm just about sure that G4 will continue shamelessly displaying these speedruns (Note that as I've never actually watched an episode, I don't know if they're giving credit to the runner or whatnot) as long as we let them.

soteos

Edit history:

soteos: 2005-07-12 08:38:44 pm

2005-07-12 08:27:09 pm

So far all we have is the zelda run (which I still can't find), and TSA gave permission for them to use it. But, they didn't say TSA did it, they said "a player" did it.
This is sort of the opposite of that other thread about people taking all the credit for their runs. Here, they get no credit. Well, it's not problematic enough to be worried about.

Edit: am watching the run now. Cool, but maybe they could make the window a tad bigger. (man, I'm hard to please huh)

TSA

2005-07-12 09:14:30 pm

Retired

I just watched it in its entirety for the first time. They really edited out a lot - all of Level 6 and 8...and more than half the boss battles.

Not that I mind, it was an old video and I kinda was embarrassed by how bad it was. So perhaps not letting them know it was me is better for now.

Yoshi348

2005-07-12 09:16:07 pm

dinosaur from the past

O_o...