South Park: The Stick of Truth

2014-03-09 11:07:35 am

As far as I can tell:

Equipment is exactly the same between both runs. Levels are identical also.

Only difference which I doubt makes a differences is the amount of money in Zander is $13 dollars in his 1:39:35 run, and Ryuken has $17 in his 1:47:37 run. Also, Zander also puts on some hair in character customization. I don't think either of those would affect your damage.

I've had that happen to me before too where my damage suddenly starts falling off after the school assault. I'm curious to know what's going on.

Vicodinin

2014-03-09 11:08:55 am

Maybe there's a difference when it comes to the type of controller you are using, maybe using a keyboard has some sort of hidden damage advantage due to the controls being a bit for wonky to use.

Ryuken

2014-03-09 11:13:56 am

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Do you use a controller too Vicodinin?

PHEN

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PHEN: 2014-03-09 11:14:31 am

2014-03-09 11:14:06 am

Vicodinin: That may be true. I don't have a controller to do testing, but I know I often forget to equip/pickup badges, which may explain my damage falloff.

Edit: clarification, I use keyboard + mouse also.

Vicodinin

2014-03-09 11:47:40 am

Ive used both a ps3 n 360 contoller but not keyboard

Ryuken

2014-03-09 11:54:33 am

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Just developed a new bard strat, saves about ten seconds off of my old time. I REALLY underestimated how much time you lose by using abilities for the extra damage instead of just power attacking a stunned opponent

Vicodinin

2014-03-09 11:58:40 am

Yeah I've started using fart attack more and more lately in my runs, since all of us seem to run into the issue of forgetting to use a mana potion for the end I started using it asap which now gives me the option to fart attack certain fights for extra damage.

Ryuken

2014-03-09 12:03:20 pm

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A good early timesave is if you use a double fart attack against the bards minions instead of a double burn. Kills two right away instead of one and shortens their turn too

Deadscale

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Deadscale: 2014-03-09 12:21:58 pm

Deadscale: 2014-03-09 12:19:48 pm

2014-03-09 12:18:10 pm

Welp I finally finished a Fighter Run, 2:05:41 and that's including some shitty fights i screwed up and some random encounters i messed up to.

http://www.twitch.tv/deadscale007/c/3854568

I haven't seen some recent runs but If no one does it yet, In a few areas you can use the Sneaky Squeeker to reposition enemies to skip fights (The main area I use this in is in the school before fighting butters). Just something to note if you dont do it already

Also sorry about the audio.. Took me ages to actually get my laptop able to stream due to overheating and I didn't think to check the audio once i was in.

Ryuken

2014-03-09 12:32:23 pm

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Ok so with comparing the mine and Zander's run side by side:

-All equipment is identical
-All Perks and Abilities are identical
-All modifications are identical
-We both (now) used a keyboard and mouse

With my first Burn I take Cartman down to 3657 HP
Zander takes Cartman down to 3207 HP

I have no idea whats going on but that is a HUGE difference and honestly even with better execution I wont be able to compare to his times with that much of a damage difference from here on out

Deadscale

2014-03-09 12:35:00 pm

Checked your difficulty when you started the game? I'm not sure if Casual => Normal increases burn damage etc. But when I start the game sometimes it defaults back to normal.

Something to think about.

Ryuken

2014-03-09 12:58:09 pm

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No I also thought of that and dropped down to casual difficulty and saw no damage difference at all. The difficulty level only seems to pertain to damage received and not damage dealt. I am honestly out of ideas on this one

Deadscale

2014-03-09 01:03:27 pm

Hmm... by Burn damage i assume you mean the DoT damage he takes after he makes a move correct? Cause although weird I wonder if mashing is to do with it. I think it'd be quite stupid to not have a max cap on damage but make a macro to mash S and see if you can make it deal more damage by mashing to an extreme amount.

Apart from that I'm not to sure

Ryuken

2014-03-09 01:05:45 pm

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Nope I mean the initial damage dealt based on the move itself. As soon as the last hit of Dragon Breath is done there is a 450 Hp difference between the two. And I have mashed both like crazy and seen an identical outcome between controller and mouse/keyboard. The last thing I am going to test is hair/clothes and see if that does anything

Vicodinin

2014-03-09 01:11:41 pm

Yeah I just ran thru up to that point with keyboard and was able to 2 hit Cartman fine. And just for shits and giggles I restarted game and used controller and 2 hit him. So I'm not sure where the error was in previous runs. That is the only fight where I notice the damage difference tho from everyone else.

Deadscale

2014-03-09 01:12:48 pm

if Hair and Cloths change damage that'd be hilarious...

Also Im just saying using a Macro to see if you can mash out more damage could explain it.

If you use a controller you can mash on both A on the controller and S on the keyboard and both register.

Ryuken

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Ryuken: 2014-03-09 01:14:34 pm

2014-03-09 01:12:48 pm

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What the hell, has there been a patch or something for the game I am not aware of? Because I just ran all the way through twice and cant two hit at all no matter what still

EDIT: And as far as mashing goes all of the hits do a set amount of damage. All Mashing does is help get the animation over faster. All perfect attacks with Dragon Breath will always do the same amount of damage

Deadscale

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Deadscale: 2014-03-09 01:15:58 pm

2014-03-09 01:15:07 pm

Alrighty. Well then I have no idea.

Guess it's South park saying Fuck you lol.

Thinking more outside the box... Do you both have the same DLC? god knows why it'd make a difference since you don't use it but...

Ryuken

2014-03-09 01:17:04 pm

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Yeah as far as I know neither of us have any DLC

Vicodinin

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Vicodinin: 2014-03-09 01:18:02 pm

2014-03-09 01:17:37 pm

Just a couple bug fixes day after release, and just looked at your pb and you dont grab the pentagram Patch off the nazi zombie where u grab swat gear. That I believe is the damage difference

This is based off your 1:46 Vid

Ryuken

2014-03-09 01:18:29 pm

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Wait what is the pentagram patch?

Deadscale

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Deadscale: 2014-03-09 01:20:06 pm

Deadscale: 2014-03-09 01:19:31 pm

2014-03-09 01:19:02 pm

10% ability damage(?) i believe

Someone really needs to start a wiki of this stuff so we can just go look it up...

Ryuken

2014-03-09 01:19:48 pm

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NO WAY!! THERE IS A SECOND 10% BOOST? How did I not notice this after all this time?!?! I will run back through immediately and see! Thank you so much guys!

Vicodinin

2014-03-09 01:20:14 pm

Melee attacks deal 50 more damage but thats the only difference I notice maybe Dragons breath procs off it

Deadscale

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Deadscale: 2014-03-09 01:21:11 pm

2014-03-09 01:20:42 pm

Actually hang on I'll go tell you what it does since i picked it up on my last run.

Yeah it's 50 melee damage. My bad Sad

Is dragons breath damage actually based on weapon damage then? somewhat