Sonic Generations SS

2012-03-13 07:18:34 pm

btw, I asked DsS (Da1AndOnlySonic) on IRC how many of the CE1 shortcuts could be done on PC... according to him, all the major ones. Don't have any firsthand knowledge of how well they work, but anyway, there's that.

AxonZin

2012-03-13 07:59:56 pm

I am encyclopedia

I remember trying them awhile back and couldn't get any of them to work. If he could upload a video or something, that would be great. Maybe I was doing them wrong.

Blazier

2012-03-14 06:02:12 am

I tried the speedglitch on PC with my XBOX360 controller and I was sad when it only worked slightly :(.

Animach1ne

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Animach1ne: 2012-03-14 09:30:08 am

2012-03-14 09:25:51 am

Quote from mikwuyma:

We made the speed glitch ruling because it sounded like it was simply easier to perform on console, rather than it's actually possible in more spots on console. We can probably make PC and console separate categories (it's not really a big deal to me), let me just check with some other admins.

Ye it's my bad : I didn't know that it was impossible on some spots until Da1AndOnlySonic enlightened it. Found some topics here and there after some googling, but not as accurate.

Indeed that's quite difficult to be unbiased about categories being separated or not... Honnestly at the moment it doesn't matter since there isn't much competition, the game is relatively recent and as it as been said, probably not everything was discovered. So one minute or two isn't that much for now.
But after a while times are going to get closer and closer to the "perfect" one, and that one minute difference between PC and console versions may become problematic... So ye. Duno.

Paraxade

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Paraxade: 2012-03-14 09:43:49 am

2012-03-14 09:43:33 am

If the CE1 shortcuts are indeed possible on PC then it's more like a 30-second difference, if even that, which I'd think could be ignored if the run was good.

Animach1ne

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Animach1ne: 2012-03-14 10:08:44 am

2012-03-14 10:08:18 am

Well... If at some point a guy gets a certain time which is 10 seconds longer than the record, he'll probably disagree with you!
But I know what you mean, it's 30 seconds out of one hour so it may be negligible. But still, this situation may happen.

Maybe considering two categories : speed glitch or not (regardless on the platform) would be easier, but this isn't really SDA politics, since you can use whatever the game allows you to.

Animach1ne

2012-03-14 10:18:04 am

By the way : Mario Kart 64 has 2 categories, runs with shortcuts and others without.

I'm not saying that this is an argument which is enough, it's obviously not so simple. But particular cases might need particular exceptions.
Admins will have the last word anyway.

CrypticJacknife

2012-03-14 02:30:14 pm

Ganondorf = Donkey Kong LOOK IT UP!!

If someone could post something comprehensive about B.E maybe then the PC runners can truly start working out their own methods and such. AFAIK all the help we have received is "Hold it here, and it will work" and "It works some times, but not all the time". Not saying B.E users suck at explaining how to do it, oh wait, yes I am.

Point is someone who CAN do B.E on PC consistently (no DsS I don't mean extensive tilt adjustment programs lol) needs to give a full rundown, hell even as Axon said a video or two would do great as well. If an actually good PC method existed, this conversation about difficulty in doing it wouldn't exist, and seperate categories would not even be a thought. From what I've heard, this trick is not random, is not variable and will work (in particular places) so long as you do the method right. Most PC players seem to have trouble doing it consistently, meaning someone hasn't explained the method for said platform properly. Either that or no PC players can do it consistently at all yet, but I'm willing to wager on the former.

Seriously, this garbage about "Hold up and right then spindash and jump" is like saying "Superslide by shield-dropping a bomb, get next to it and start mashing A". Also, let's not say shit like "if it's possible", because it's possible to do lots of shit in video games, does that mean you can do it consistently? Or there's proper rhyme and reason to why it happened? No it doesn't.

By the way if it comes down to "seperate categories or not" and PC is still at a disadvantage, throw my hat straight into the 'for' ring, regardless whether its 30 seconds or 5 minutes. I've already spent most of my time on the speed running scene bitching with idiots (americans) about superior versions (ntsc) and shit like that (pal is gay lololololol). If there is a superior version for each and every game and none of them are actually separated for the rest, who's to say 2/3 of the people who want to speed run the game aren't saying "fuck that, I'm not getting X version, what a tedious process". (Seriously, read that paragraph again and think about it I know you just skimmed that shit)

Sorry if any of this post seems inflammatory to anyone. It's just this'll be the umpteenth time thus far I've been on the bad end of the "which version is worse made" scale, usually with me residing with the better one (case and point Metroid Prime) >_> Ironic isn't it?

That's my bit on the B.E fiasco. Hopefully a GOOD PC method comes out of this, lest the otherwise negligible differences between the platforms becomes smaller and competition can actually exist for this game SS-wise. Cheesy

Sorry if my talk sounds like it is a little righteous in wording, just finished playing Assassins Creed and that game does this to one's dialect. ^____^

If someone could post something comprehensive about B.E maybe then the PC runners can truly start working out their own methods and such. AFAIK all the help we have received is "Hold it here, and it will work" and "It works some times, but not all the time". Not saying B.E users suck at explaining how to do it, oh wait, yes I am.

Point is someone who CAN do B.E on PC consistently (no DsS I don't mean extensive tilt adjustment programs lol) needs to give a full rundown, hell even as Axon said a video or two would do great as well. If an[b] actually good[/b] PC method existed, this conversation about difficulty in doing it wouldn't exist, and seperate categories would not even be a thought. From what I've heard, this trick is not random, is not variable and will work (in particular places) so long as you do the method right. Most PC players seem to have trouble doing it consistently, meaning someone hasn't explained the method for said platform properly. Either that or no PC players can do it consistently at all yet, but I'm willing to wager on the former.

Seriously, this garbage about "Hold up and right then spindash and jump" is like saying "Superslide by shield-dropping a bomb, get next to it and start mashing A". Also, let's not say shit like "if it's possible", because it's possible to do lots of shit in video games, does that mean you can do it consistently? Or there's proper rhyme and reason to why it happened? No it doesn't.

By the way if it comes down to "seperate categories or not" and PC is still at a disadvantage, throw my hat straight into the 'for' ring, regardless whether its 30 seconds or 5 minutes. I've already spent most of my time on the speed running scene bitching with idiots (americans) about superior versions (ntsc) and shit like that (pal is gay lololololol). If there is a superior version for each and every game and none of them are actually separated for the rest, who's to say 2/3 of the people who want to speed run the game aren't saying "fuck that, I'm not getting X version, what a tedious process".[b] (Seriously, read that paragraph again and think about it I know you just skimmed that shit)[/b]

Sorry if any of this post seems inflammatory to anyone. It's just this'll be the umpteenth time thus far I've been on the bad end of the "which version is worse made" scale, usually with me residing with the better one (case and point Metroid Prime) >_> Ironic isn't it?

That's my bit on the B.E fiasco. Hopefully a [b]GOOD[/b] PC method comes out of this, lest the otherwise negligible differences between the platforms becomes smaller and competition can actually exist for this game SS-wise. :D

Sorry if my talk sounds like it is a little righteous in wording, just finished playing Assassins Creed and that game does this to one's dialect. ^____^

AxonZin

2012-03-14 03:06:50 pm

I am encyclopedia

Quote from CrypticJacknife:

If someone could post something comprehensive about B.E maybe then the PC runners can truly start working out their own methods and such. AFAIK all the help we have received is "Hold it here, and it will work" and "It works some times, but not all the time". Not saying B.E users suck at explaining how to do it, oh wait, yes I am.

Point is someone who CAN do B.E on PC consistently (no DsS I don't mean extensive tilt adjustment programs lol) needs to give a full rundown, hell even as Axon said a video or two would do great as well. If an actually good PC method existed, this conversation about difficulty in doing it wouldn't exist, and seperate categories would not even be a thought. From what I've heard, this trick is not random, is not variable and will work (in particular places) so long as you do the method right. Most PC players seem to have trouble doing it consistently, meaning someone hasn't explained the method for said platform properly. Either that or no PC players can do it consistently at all yet, but I'm willing to wager on the former.

Seriously, this garbage about "Hold up and right then spindash and jump" is like saying "Superslide by shield-dropping a bomb, get next to it and start mashing A". Also, let's not say shit like "if it's possible", because it's possible to do lots of shit in video games, does that mean you can do it consistently? Or there's proper rhyme and reason to why it happened? No it doesn't.

By the way if it comes down to "seperate categories or not" and PC is still at a disadvantage, throw my hat straight into the 'for' ring, regardless whether its 30 seconds or 5 minutes. I've already spent most of my time on the speed running scene bitching with idiots (americans) about superior versions (ntsc) and shit like that (pal is gay lololololol). If there is a superior version for each and every game and none of them are actually separated for the rest, who's to say 2/3 of the people who want to speed run the game aren't saying "fuck that, I'm not getting X version, what a tedious process". (Seriously, read that paragraph again and think about it I know you just skimmed that shit)

Sorry if any of this post seems inflammatory to anyone. It's just this'll be the umpteenth time thus far I've been on the bad end of the "which version is worse made" scale, usually with me residing with the better one (case and point Metroid Prime) >_> Ironic isn't it?

That's my bit on the B.E fiasco. Hopefully a GOOD PC method comes out of this, lest the otherwise negligible differences between the platforms becomes smaller and competition can actually exist for this game SS-wise. Cheesy

Sorry if my talk sounds like it is a little righteous in wording, just finished playing Assassins Creed and that game does this to one's dialect. ^____^

Can you tell me your address so I can mail you a briefcase full of cash?

[quote="CrypticJacknife"]If someone could post something comprehensive about B.E maybe then the PC runners can truly start working out their own methods and such. AFAIK all the help we have received is "Hold it here, and it will work" and "It works some times, but not all the time". Not saying B.E users suck at explaining how to do it, oh wait, yes I am.

Point is someone who CAN do B.E on PC consistently (no DsS I don't mean extensive tilt adjustment programs lol) needs to give a full rundown, hell even as Axon said a video or two would do great as well. If an[b] actually good[/b] PC method existed, this conversation about difficulty in doing it wouldn't exist, and seperate categories would not even be a thought. From what I've heard, this trick is not random, is not variable and will work (in particular places) so long as you do the method right. Most PC players seem to have trouble doing it consistently, meaning someone hasn't explained the method for said platform properly. Either that or no PC players can do it consistently at all yet, but I'm willing to wager on the former.

Seriously, this garbage about "Hold up and right then spindash and jump" is like saying "Superslide by shield-dropping a bomb, get next to it and start mashing A". Also, let's not say shit like "if it's possible", because it's possible to do lots of shit in video games, does that mean you can do it consistently? Or there's proper rhyme and reason to why it happened? No it doesn't.

By the way if it comes down to "seperate categories or not" and PC is still at a disadvantage, throw my hat straight into the 'for' ring, regardless whether its 30 seconds or 5 minutes. I've already spent most of my time on the speed running scene bitching with idiots (americans) about superior versions (ntsc) and shit like that (pal is gay lololololol). If there is a superior version for each and every game and none of them are actually separated for the rest, who's to say 2/3 of the people who want to speed run the game aren't saying "fuck that, I'm not getting X version, what a tedious process".[b] (Seriously, read that paragraph again and think about it I know you just skimmed that shit)[/b]

Sorry if any of this post seems inflammatory to anyone. It's just this'll be the umpteenth time thus far I've been on the bad end of the "which version is worse made" scale, usually with me residing with the better one (case and point Metroid Prime) >_> Ironic isn't it?

That's my bit on the B.E fiasco. Hopefully a [b]GOOD[/b] PC method comes out of this, lest the otherwise negligible differences between the platforms becomes smaller and competition can actually exist for this game SS-wise. :D

Sorry if my talk sounds like it is a little righteous in wording, just finished playing Assassins Creed and that game does this to one's dialect. ^____^[/quote]

Can you tell me your address so I can mail you a briefcase full of cash?

Animach1ne

2012-03-14 05:49:48 pm

Quote from CrypticJacknife:

Hopefully a GOOD PC method comes out

Not sure I understood everything, but I agree on that

Phoenix3568

2012-03-15 08:58:47 pm

Procrastination Nation!

As a PC user, I know I tried doing it (using a FFXIV pad by snakebyte) and I couldn't get the glitched pulled off consistently. I think the biggest problem is that PCs are all different, as well as input methods for PC (different pads, etc) so they had to change how controller input would function on a PC, disallowing the "fuzzy area" used in console versions. It could simply depend on the programming on the game, or it could be the driver of the gamepad, how the PC detects nub inputs, etc. Chances are there would need to be a specific driver written for pads to have the correct speed to use the B.E (I hope I'm using the sonic terms right, I haven't been following the speedrun scene on TSC)

That being said, good luck on the runs! I'm really excited to see what people come up with to optimize times. Good luck everyone!

Paraxade

2012-03-16 10:14:55 pm

egh, CP1 is so ridiculous that I'm gonna raise my goal for it up to 0:54.xx, which should let me use some more consistent strats. I'm gonna look into some more consistent strats for SS1 too, but I doubt I'll need to raise my goal for it.

I haven't had any good runs make it past Sky Sanctuary the last few days. It's getting kinda ridiculous.

talon2461

2012-03-18 10:48:01 am

Sonic speedrunner

I've finally finished with my Target times and have started to run the game. Most of them are similar to Paraxade's one or two are different

Green Hill Act 1: 0:43:XX
Green Hill Act 2: 1:43:XX
Chemical Plant Act 1: 0:52.XX
Chemical Plant Act 2: 1:44.XX
Sky Sanctuary Act 1: 1:09.XX
Sky Sanctuary Act 2: 1:39.XX
Metal Sonic: 0:35.XX
Death Egg Robot: 0:35.XX
Speed Highway Act 1: 1:25.XX
Speed Highway Act 2: 1:25.XX
City Escape Act 1: 1:12.XX
City Escape Act 2: 2:14.XX
Seaside Hill Act 1: 1:35.xx
Seaside Hill Act 2: 1:40.xx
Shadow: 1:05.XX
Perfect Chaos: 1:30.XX
Crisis City Act 1: 1:24.XX
Crisis City Act 2: 1:45.XX
Rooftop Run Act 1: 2:05.XX
Rooftop Run Act 2: 2:15.XX
Planet Wisp Act 1: 1:55.XX
Planet Wisp Act 2: 2:35.XX
Silver: 1:26.XX
Egg Dragoon: 2:10:XX
Time Eater: 1:40.XX

Green Hill Act 1 Challenge 2: 0:35.XX (w/o timers)
Chemical Plant Act 1 Challenge 3: 0:40.XX
Sky Sanctuary Act 2 Challenge 3: 0:24.XX
Speed Highway Act 2 Challenge 1: 0:36.XX
City Escape Act 1 Challenge 2: 0:49.XX
Seaside Hill Act 2 Challenge 5: 0:28.XX
Crisis City Act 1 Challenge 4: 0:42.XX
Rooftop Run Act 2 Challenge 3: 0:33.XX
Planet Wisp Act 1 Challenge 4: 0:09.XX (w/o timers)

The main differences are that I'm doing a different Chemical Plant and Speed highway challenge. Chemical plant because I believe it's faster and more consistent for the run and Speed highway because I can't do the trick consistently. Egg dragoon also has a target time because I've only gotten 3 shaft hits twice.

Also, I know that loading times will be taken out of the final timing. But there are certain points on the PS3 version where the game freezes for a couple seconds e.g. when you press up to choose the challenge/stage. or at the beginning of DER or silver. Will these be taken out of the final timing as well?

Anyway I hope that this feud with BE on PC doesn't stop PC gamers from running the game, as it would make it more enjoyable to have some more competition Smiley

I've finally finished with my Target times and have started to run the game. Most of them are similar to Paraxade's one or two are different

Green Hill Act 1: 0:43:XX
Green Hill Act 2: 1:43:XX
Chemical Plant Act 1: 0:52.XX
Chemical Plant Act 2: 1:44.XX
Sky Sanctuary Act 1: 1:09.XX
Sky Sanctuary Act 2: 1:39.XX
Metal Sonic: 0:35.XX
Death Egg Robot: 0:35.XX
Speed Highway Act 1: 1:25.XX
Speed Highway Act 2: 1:25.XX
City Escape Act 1: 1:12.XX
City Escape Act 2: 2:14.XX
Seaside Hill Act 1: 1:35.xx
Seaside Hill Act 2: 1:40.xx
Shadow: 1:05.XX
Perfect Chaos: 1:30.XX
Crisis City Act 1: 1:24.XX
Crisis City Act 2: 1:45.XX
Rooftop Run Act 1: 2:05.XX
Rooftop Run Act 2: 2:15.XX
Planet Wisp Act 1: 1:55.XX
Planet Wisp Act 2: 2:35.XX
Silver: 1:26.XX
Egg Dragoon: 2:10:XX
Time Eater: 1:40.XX

Green Hill Act 1 Challenge 2: 0:35.XX (w/o timers)
Chemical Plant Act 1 Challenge 3: 0:40.XX  
Sky Sanctuary Act 2 Challenge 3: 0:24.XX
Speed Highway Act 2 Challenge 1: 0:36.XX
City Escape Act 1 Challenge 2: 0:49.XX
Seaside Hill Act 2 Challenge 5: 0:28.XX
Crisis City Act 1 Challenge 4: 0:42.XX
Rooftop Run Act 2 Challenge 3: 0:33.XX
Planet Wisp Act 1 Challenge 4: 0:09.XX (w/o timers)

The main differences are that I'm doing a different Chemical Plant and Speed highway challenge. Chemical plant because I believe it's faster and more consistent for the run and Speed highway because I can't do the trick consistently. Egg dragoon also has a target time because I've only gotten 3 shaft hits twice.

Also, I know that loading times will be taken out of the final timing. But there are certain points on the PS3 version where the game freezes for a couple seconds e.g. when you press up to choose the challenge/stage. or at the beginning of DER or silver. Will these be taken out of the final timing as well?

Anyway I hope that this feud with BE on PC doesn't stop PC gamers from running the game, as it would make it more enjoyable to have some more competition :)

Kadoom

2012-10-07 06:35:25 pm

So came onto SDA looking for a generations run thinking para had finished it by now but nothing on here.
Got bored of it?

Paraxade

2012-10-09 10:16:04 am

When I was attempting this I barely ever had any attempts get past Chemical Plant/Sky Sanctuary and it was incredibly frustrating and not-fun. I'll probably get back to doing some attempts though for practice, since I'm doing this at AGDQ.

talon2461

2013-03-15 07:16:39 pm

Sonic speedrunner

So I've recently come back to doing a few attempts. Managed a 1:06 today but it was on PC and I'm not sure about how much the loading time advantage would be. The run's here (http://www.twitch.tv/talon2461/c/2031906) if anyone's interested in watching it.

The run itself had quite a few bad spots (Silver and Egg Dragoon spring to mind). However I just wanted a 'catalyst' run that I could use to start doing serious attempts. I can see a sub 1:00 RTA on PC but am not sure yet.

SonicBoom737

2014-06-29 07:31:59 am

I figured here would be the best place to post this.
So I'm deciding to return to single segmenting this game. Quite some time ago I managed a 1:11:25: I did this on Xbox 360, and whilst the use of the blast effect may have saved some time I lost a significant amount of compared to the PC world record due to loading times, the loading time differences being about 6-8 minutes iirc. I plan to make a run for SDA. One question I'm wondering is should the game be timed in real time (as it is now), or in game-time? That would make it more comparable to the PC version, and if game time was used it would be best to ignore any clocks obtained in the challenges, because some challenges allow you to get 0 seconds, through death abuse, or by just taking a slower route to pick up the clocks. Personally I see sub 1:10 RTA on xbox.