Sonic and the Black Knight (Wii)

2011-06-13 04:49:44 am

After speaking to mike on IRC, finally know how to time the game. Turns out the in-game timer is dumb and adds about 2 - 5 centi-seconds when you hit the goal post. So really can’t take the time from the last frame and seems like too much effort. However, the game does have another timer called a file timer, but at the time of making this post I wasn’t sure how it worked, which was silly of me. I finally tested it and it only records game play plus results screen, which is good and I’ll be using that.

So l will be segmenting this run as much as I can, so that I can manipulate certain items to my advantage. I’ll be doing some research into that next so I know where those items are. Since Blacksmith isn’t timed I should be able to fuse swords so I can use a faster character for the last four missions before the final boss.

Also thanks Paraxade I will need that luck. You know what I mean since you played the game too Tongue

Paraxade

2011-06-13 01:44:18 pm

Quote from Flying Fox:

After speaking to mike on IRC, finally know how to time the game. Turns out the in-game timer is dumb and adds about 2 - 5 centi-seconds when you hit the goal post. So really can’t take the time from the last frame and seems like too much effort.

Again, I don't see why it matters. We don't need the time to be the exact same as whatever the game saves. Guess the file timer will work well enough though.

Flying Fox

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2011-06-17 03:39:23 pm

I guess I could do that but mike89's capture device only captures 30 fps so the last visible frame isn't necessarily the last frame, so it's not completley accurate. So I guess I would have to use the file timer, unless mike is ok with that, I would have to ask him :/

EDIT: I'm using the file timer because I was told it would be easier to use. Anyway going to start recording once mike89 has finished work this week.

Flying Fox

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Flying Fox: 2011-07-03 08:03:30 pm

2011-07-03 08:02:47 pm

Actually doing segmented is really annoying in having to manipulate items. I've decided to do SS since it'll be much easier and most of the items that I was going to manipulate are something like 6-9 stars on the rarity scale. The higher the amount of stars there are the more rarer the item is, so it could take me ages to get the right item and I don't want to tear my hair out Sad

Anon7906

2012-01-04 02:11:21 am

I've been trying my hand at this on and off for the past week. I'm pretty confident with my abilities to blow through the first half of the game, but Molten Mine always screws me up somehow. I just managed to get through it without a huge screw up a few minutes ago.

That's the best I could do. Any tips? Also, the Mist Dragon is rage-inducing. If that fucker would stop moving his damn head the most of the time I'd finish that part of Misty Lake at 1:35, but he almost always moves his head more than twice and I end up getting somewhere in the 1:40s. Anything on that as well?

I'll practice the second half of the game later. It seems easier than the first half imo. I'll try to get my first attempt of the whole game up within a week or so.

RingRush

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RingRush: 2012-01-04 06:03:22 pm

2012-01-04 06:01:56 pm

My best tip for you is don't play Sonic and the Black Knight.

Also, I don't know if it possible in Molten Mine, but constantly switching directions while grinding a rail makes Sonic accelerate a ton (you can really observe it in one of the Misty Lake extra missions). I am not going to pull the game out again to remember if that works when there are double rails instead of single rails.

Looks really good, and obligatory lol @ unresponsive soul surges. I watched three times trying to find minor nitpicks, and can't find anything more than "don't mess up". If you really want to keep fighting unresponsive soul surges and homing spins, I'd definitely watch a full run at this quality.

Anon7906

2012-01-04 07:47:40 pm

Quote from RingRush:

My best tip for you is don't play Sonic and the Black Knight.

Also, I don't know if it possible in Molten Mine, but constantly switching directions while grinding a rail makes Sonic accelerate a ton (you can really observe it in one of the Misty Lake extra missions). I am not going to pull the game out again to remember if that works when there are double rails instead of single rails.

I'm taking on this project for personal reasons. I used to rag on someone alot for playing this terrible game too much, but I tried to speedrun it randomly a week ago and it's sort of addicting so now I understand and feel bad.

Not possible to do in Molten Mine. I know where to use it in Misty Lake, but it doesn't work in Molten Mine.

Quote from RingRush:

Looks really good, and obligatory lol @ unresponsive soul surges. I watched three times trying to find minor nitpicks, and can't find anything more than "don't mess up". If you really want to keep fighting unresponsive soul surges and homing spins, I'd definitely watch a full run at this quality.

Yeah speed breaks are a pain. I have no problems with homing slashes, I just don't time them right most of the time. Like at the start of Molten Mine, I didn't time the homing slash right so I went through 7 enemies instead of all 12 which is why I didn't speed break as much as I could have in the beginning. Also not timing the homing slash right would mess me up occasionally in Deep Woods Ring Giver at the start of that. That shit is mad annoying lol.

[quote="RingRush"]My best tip for you is don't play Sonic and the Black Knight.

Also, I don't know if it possible in Molten Mine, but constantly switching directions while grinding a rail makes Sonic accelerate a ton (you can really observe it in one of the Misty Lake extra missions). I am not going to pull the game out again to remember if that works when there are double rails instead of single rails.[/quote]

I'm taking on this project for personal reasons.  I used to rag on someone alot for playing this terrible game too much, but I tried to speedrun it randomly a week ago and it's sort of addicting so now I understand and feel bad.

Not possible to do in Molten Mine.  I know where to use it in Misty Lake, but it doesn't work in Molten Mine.

[quote="RingRush"]Looks really good, and obligatory lol @ unresponsive soul surges. I watched three times trying to find minor nitpicks, and can't find anything more than "don't mess up". If you really want to keep fighting unresponsive soul surges and homing spins, I'd definitely watch a full run at this quality.[/quote]

Yeah speed breaks are a pain.  I have no problems with homing slashes, I just don't time them right most of the time.  Like at the start of Molten Mine, I didn't time the homing slash right so I went through 7 enemies instead of all 12 which is why I didn't speed break as much as I could have in the beginning.  Also not timing the homing slash right would mess me up occasionally in Deep Woods Ring Giver at the start of that.  That shit is mad annoying lol.

MAS8705

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2012-01-04 08:36:36 pm

SDA Apprentice -- (3-1)

Always nice to see old threads get revived...

Anyway Anon, as you probably are aware, there is the speedrun I posted earlier from Shizzlee and the Sonic Center site that can be used as reference points...

If you are actually going to follow through with the speed run for this game, I wish you the best of luck in advance...

As for the molten Mine, about three minutes in on this video is the runner's attempt at that same stage...

take what you can from it, although your run was better than this one (granted that the runner did everyone in one go if I recall correctly...)

Anon7906

2012-01-04 08:57:28 pm

Quote from MAS8705:

Always nice to see old threads get revived...

Anyway Anon, as you probably are aware, there is the speedrun I posted earlier from Shizzlee and the Sonic Center site that can be used as reference points...

If you are actually going to follow through with the speed run for this game, I wish you the best of luck in advance...

As for the molten Mine, about three minutes in on this video is the runner's attempt at that same stage...

take what you can from it, although your run was better than this one (granted that the runner did everyone in one go if I recall correctly...)

I'm ahead of my sister in Molten Mine by about 8 minutes looking at that lol. I never looks at her vids on this. I just would watch her try from time to time. I will check them out for the second half of the game. I already have a plan for the first half. Yo, I'm ahead in Crystal Caves too. Yeah boi. Gonna get drunk and go in after I'm done watching this livestream.

[quote="MAS8705"]Always nice to see old threads get revived...

Anyway Anon, as you probably are aware, there is the speedrun I posted earlier from Shizzlee and the Sonic Center site that can be used as reference points...

If you are actually going to follow through with the speed run for this game, I wish you the best of luck in advance...

As for the molten Mine, about three minutes in on this video is the runner's attempt at that same stage...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtnMITOC_o

take what you can from it, although your run was better than this one (granted that the runner did everyone in one go if I recall correctly...)[/quote]

I'm ahead of my sister in Molten Mine by about 8 minutes looking at that lol.  I never looks at her vids on this.  I just would watch her try from time to time.  I will check them out for the second half of the game.  I already have a plan for the first half.  Yo, I'm ahead in Crystal Caves too.  Yeah boi.  Gonna get drunk and go in after I'm done watching this livestream.

RingRush

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2012-01-05 02:05:23 am

I knew the name Anon sounded familiar. I applaud you for finishing what your sister started; she deserves it. Though if you are doing this in memory of her, your quality better be damn good. Smiley

Also I haven't watched shizlee's run in a while, but I remember one thing that stuck out was that she didn't use Percival on The Cauldron. Was that ever timed with Sonic vs Blaze? I can see pros and cons for both, but that long wall run section at the end does point towards Blaze.

Anon7906

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2012-01-05 09:34:33 pm

Quote from RingRush:

I knew the name Anon sounded familiar. I applaud you for finishing what your sister started; she deserves it. Though if you are doing this in memory of her, your quality better be damn good. Smiley

Also I haven't watched shizlee's run in a while, but I remember one thing that stuck out was that she didn't use Percival on The Cauldron. Was that ever timed with Sonic vs Blaze? I can see pros and cons for both, but that long wall run section at the end does point towards Blaze.

I have tried Shadow and I know he's better for Dragon's Lair/Slayer.

I will clean up both of these routes as I practice a bit more. I think Shadow works for these stages because you don't have to use Homing Slash at all (his homing slash sucks) and this asshole gains meters as he runs. For Shrouded Forest, I pretty much ripped off my sister's route. Same for Knight's Passage. I'm ahead in Knight's Passage, but I need more work in Shrouded Forest.

I did well on Great Megalith. I was behind my best by a second because the game glitched and I was able to skip past the first big enemy because he didn't come out the ground at 0:36. I tried to replicate it in the video by mashing A before reaching him after the homing slash, but it didn't work. I tried many times after and it never worked. >.>

I'll try practice with Blaze before doing a vid of The Caludron.

Edit: Yeah, Blaze isn't good. She does the wall part faster, but sucks at the rest of the level. Maybe I'm not using her right, idk, but I got nowhere near my Sonic time for the level. Here is the Sonic time.

Edit 2: So, I got drunk and worked on this for the past 6 hours trying to do single segment. Fuck that, never again. I would always do well, but something dealing with the controls would mess me up. Homing Slash not coming out, messing up perfect hits on bosses, delayed speed break, goddam. I want to segment this. Since the file-select screen timer seems to only count actual levels+results, it seems like it'd be much easier to segment because if I mess up in a level all I would have to do is reset and I could use use simple subtraction to figure out my times for each mission I guess. Anyone with more knowledge about this stuff care to input how I would go about timing this or is my reasoning sound? If so then I could get this done easily.

[quote="RingRush"]I knew the name Anon sounded familiar. I applaud you for finishing what your sister started; she deserves it. Though if you are doing this in memory of her, your quality better be damn good. :)

Also I haven't watched shizlee's run in a while, but I remember one thing that stuck out was that she didn't use Percival on The Cauldron. Was that ever timed with Sonic vs Blaze? I can see pros and cons for both, but that long wall run section at the end does point towards Blaze.[/quote]

I have tried Shadow and I know he's better for Dragon's Lair/Slayer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Kvnq0A-OvY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b76go1tVvf8

I will clean up both of these routes as I practice a bit more.  I think Shadow works for these stages because you don't have to use Homing Slash at all (his homing slash sucks) and this asshole gains meters as he runs.  For Shrouded Forest, I pretty much ripped off my sister's route.  Same for Knight's Passage.  I'm ahead in Knight's Passage, but I need more work in Shrouded Forest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGs4Aq72_Vs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_FFHu4ho1A

I did well on Great Megalith.  I was behind my best by a second because the game glitched and I was able to skip past the first big enemy because he didn't come out the ground at 0:36.  I tried to replicate it in the video by mashing A before reaching him after the homing slash, but it didn't work.  I tried many times after and it never worked.  >.>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhQCVmnKu8

I'll try practice with Blaze before doing a vid of The Caludron.

Edit:  Yeah, Blaze isn't good.  She does the wall part faster, but sucks at the rest of the level.  Maybe I'm not using her right, idk, but I got nowhere near my Sonic time for the level.  Here is the Sonic time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu328Xt0IPI

Edit 2: So, I got drunk and worked on this for the past 6 hours trying to do single segment.  Fuck that, never again.  I would always do well, but something dealing with the controls would mess me up.  Homing Slash not coming out, messing up perfect hits on bosses, delayed speed break, goddam.  I want to segment this.  Since the file-select screen timer seems to only count actual levels+results, it seems like it'd be much easier to segment because if I mess up in a level all I would have to do is reset and I could use use simple subtraction to figure out my times for each mission I guess.  Anyone with more knowledge about this stuff care to input how I would go about timing this or is my reasoning sound?  If so then I could get this done easily.

Flying Fox

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2012-01-06 03:52:37 pm

Ring Rush gave me a heads up on this topic being revived. I wasn't going to say anything but a while ago I went back to planning my single segment run for SBK because I wanted to dedicate it to shizzlee who I had huge respect for on TSC and was my favourite rival. So far I am half-way through the game and I am about over a minute faster than shizzlee. I would state my times but I'm at my bf's and my notes are at home, but I can tell you that so far I have either matched her or beat her on a mssions by 2-4 seconds, except both Titanic Plains missions where I was 20 seconds faster on those two. I was going to the next half when I got back from my bf's.

If Anon is doing the same thing as me I would back down and offer my help to him since I know a lot about the game and always did managed to find crazy strats to this game. Btw Anon I can get 1:35ish consistently on the mist dragon if you want help on it. I think I know how it works now. Also I have finally worked out how to pull off the perfect soul surge as Sonic >_>

Edit: I found my times on my laptop So far I have: (not including centi-seconds)
Reach the misty lake: 38 seconds
Retrieve the scacred sword: 1:35/1:36
King Arthur: 28 seconds
Wield the sacred sword: 13 seconds
Reach the blacksmith's shop: 58 seconds
Finish using soul surge on the ground: 19 seconds
Finish usuing soul surge in the air: 19 seconds
Reach the lady of the lake: 1:14/1:15
Sir Lancelot: 3/4/5 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)
Give the townspeople 80 rings (DW): 48 seconds
Rampage defeat 50 enemies: 47 seconds
Give the townspeople 80 rings (CC): 50 seconds
Rescue the townspeople: 33 seconds
Reach the goal: 59 seconds
Sir Gawain: 6/7/8 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)

Ring Rush gave me a heads up on this topic being revived. I wasn't going to say anything but a while ago I went back to planning my single segment run for SBK because I wanted to dedicate it to shizzlee who I had huge respect for on TSC and was my favourite rival. So far I am half-way through the game and I am about over a minute faster than shizzlee. I would state my times but I'm at my bf's and my notes are at home, but I can tell you that so far I  have either matched her or beat her on a mssions by 2-4 seconds, except both Titanic Plains missions where I was 20 seconds faster on those two. I was going to the next half when I got back from my bf's.

If Anon is doing the same thing as me I would back down and offer my help to him since I know a lot about the game and always did managed to find crazy strats to this game. Btw Anon I can get 1:35ish consistently on the mist dragon if you want help on it. I think I know how it works now. Also I have finally worked out how to pull off the perfect soul surge as Sonic >_>

Edit: I found my times on my laptop So far I have: (not including centi-seconds)
Reach the misty lake: 38 seconds 
Retrieve the scacred sword: 1:35/1:36 
King Arthur: 28 seconds
Wield the sacred sword: 13 seconds
Reach the blacksmith's shop: 58 seconds
Finish using soul surge on the ground: 19 seconds
Finish usuing soul surge in the air: 19 seconds
Reach the lady of the lake: 1:14/1:15
Sir Lancelot: 3/4/5 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)
Give the townspeople 80 rings (DW): 48 seconds
Rampage defeat 50 enemies: 47 seconds
Give the townspeople 80 rings (CC): 50 seconds
Rescue the townspeople: 33 seconds
Reach the goal: 59 seconds
Sir Gawain: 6/7/8 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)

Anon7906

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Anon7906: 2012-01-06 11:31:25 pm

2012-01-06 11:29:15 pm

Quote from Flying Fox:

Ring Rush gave me a heads up on this topic being revived. I wasn't going to say anything but a while ago I went back to planning my single segment run for SBK because I wanted to dedicate it to shizzlee who I had huge respect for on TSC and was my favourite rival. So far I am half-way through the game and I am about over a minute faster than shizzlee. I would state my times but I'm at my bf's and my notes are at home, but I can tell you that so far I have either matched her or beat her on a mssions by 2-4 seconds, except both Titanic Plains missions where I was 20 seconds faster on those two. I was going to the next half when I got back from my bf's.

If Anon is doing the same thing as me I would back down and offer my help to him since I know a lot about the game and always did managed to find crazy strats to this game. Btw Anon I can get 1:35ish consistently on the mist dragon if you want help on it. I think I know how it works now. Also I have finally worked out how to pull off the perfect soul surge as Sonic >_>

Edit: I found my times on my laptop So far I have: (not including centi-seconds)
Reach the misty lake: 38 seconds
Retrieve the scacred sword: 1:35/1:36
King Arthur: 28 seconds
Wield the sacred sword: 13 seconds
Reach the blacksmith's shop: 58 seconds
Finish using soul surge on the ground: 19 seconds
Finish usuing soul surge in the air: 19 seconds
Reach the lady of the lake: 1:14/1:15
Sir Lancelot: 3/4/5 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)
Give the townspeople 80 rings (DW): 48 seconds
Rampage defeat 50 enemies: 47 seconds
Give the townspeople 80 rings (CC): 50 seconds
Rescue the townspeople: 33 seconds
Reach the goal: 59 seconds
Sir Gawain: 6/7/8 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)

Lol why you gonna stop since I'm doing it? Pinning all y'all hopes on me eh?

Let's see:

Reach the Misty Lake I also get around late 38 sometimes, but usually 39.
Retrieve the shitty sword I got 1:32 on once. That dragon finally managed to keep his damn head still. >.>
King Fake I get like late 28 on
Wield the shitty sword I get late 13/early 14
Reach Tails I get late 57/early 58
Cinematic Lock on on ground I get early 20
Cinematic Lock on in air I get 21 or 22
Get to Amy in about same as you
Beat Shadow's ass about the same as you
Give them people money (CC) high 50, low 51
Give them people money (DW) usually 47 if my homing slashes come out ok, but that doesn't happen most of the time so I tend to get 49/50
Rampage same as you
Rescue dem people 32
Reach the goalpost late 57/early 58
Beat Knuckles ass I'm usually doing at 9 or 10 seconds
Reach the goal (Cave) at 1:47. Them mushrooms keep messing me up man.
Rampage (Cave) at 1:06
Rescue dem people (Cave) at 1:23. I'm terrible at this one. I'll keep working on it I guess.
Molten Mine at 1:01
Rape Blaze at about 11 seconds
Beat King Fake again at around 18

I've posted vids showing my general strats for the rest of the levels, and I've been slowly working on those. I finally figured out how to skip the first giant in Great Megalith. Also, Shadow kinda works in Shrouded Forest since I normally have an 8 second lead on my Sonic time before I reach the long path with trees after those worm enemies, but his homing slash sucks and leading into it with the backwards aerial thing takes too long so I blow the whole 8 second lead coming out of the 2D part. I'm gonna try to figure something out there.

If it's cool, I'd like to know how you do Reach the Misty Lake, King Arthur 1, Soul Surge on air and ground, Shadow, Rampage, Reach the Goal (I'm guessing that is for Titanic Plains), and Knuckles. You might be doing it easier than I am.

[quote="Flying Fox"]Ring Rush gave me a heads up on this topic being revived. I wasn't going to say anything but a while ago I went back to planning my single segment run for SBK because I wanted to dedicate it to shizzlee who I had huge respect for on TSC and was my favourite rival. So far I am half-way through the game and I am about over a minute faster than shizzlee. I would state my times but I'm at my bf's and my notes are at home, but I can tell you that so far I  have either matched her or beat her on a mssions by 2-4 seconds, except both Titanic Plains missions where I was 20 seconds faster on those two. I was going to the next half when I got back from my bf's.

If Anon is doing the same thing as me I would back down and offer my help to him since I know a lot about the game and always did managed to find crazy strats to this game. Btw Anon I can get 1:35ish consistently on the mist dragon if you want help on it. I think I know how it works now. Also I have finally worked out how to pull off the perfect soul surge as Sonic >_>

Edit: I found my times on my laptop So far I have: (not including centi-seconds)
Reach the misty lake: 38 seconds 
Retrieve the scacred sword: 1:35/1:36 
King Arthur: 28 seconds
Wield the sacred sword: 13 seconds
Reach the blacksmith's shop: 58 seconds
Finish using soul surge on the ground: 19 seconds
Finish usuing soul surge in the air: 19 seconds
Reach the lady of the lake: 1:14/1:15
Sir Lancelot: 3/4/5 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)
Give the townspeople 80 rings (DW): 48 seconds
Rampage defeat 50 enemies: 47 seconds
Give the townspeople 80 rings (CC): 50 seconds
Rescue the townspeople: 33 seconds
Reach the goal: 59 seconds
Sir Gawain: 6/7/8 seconds (depends if he's nice to me >_>)

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Lol why you gonna stop since I'm doing it?  Pinning all y'all hopes on me eh?

Let's see:

Reach the Misty Lake I also get around late 38 sometimes, but usually 39.
Retrieve the shitty sword I got 1:32 on once.  That dragon finally managed to keep his damn head still.  >.>
King Fake I get like late 28 on
Wield the shitty sword I get late 13/early 14 
Reach Tails I get late 57/early 58
Cinematic Lock on on ground I get early 20
Cinematic Lock on in air I get 21 or 22
Get to Amy in about same as you
Beat Shadow's ass about the same as you
Give them people money (CC) high 50, low 51
Give them people money (DW) usually 47 if my homing slashes come out ok, but that doesn't happen most of the time so I tend to get 49/50
Rampage same as you
Rescue dem people 32
Reach the goalpost late 57/early 58
Beat Knuckles ass I'm usually doing at 9 or 10 seconds
Reach the goal (Cave) at 1:47.  Them mushrooms keep messing me up man.
Rampage (Cave) at 1:06
Rescue dem people (Cave) at 1:23.  I'm terrible at this one.  I'll keep working on it I guess.
Molten Mine at 1:01
Rape Blaze at about 11 seconds
Beat King Fake again at around 18

I've posted vids showing my general strats for the rest of the levels, and I've been slowly working on those.  I finally figured out how to skip the first giant in Great Megalith.  Also, Shadow kinda works in Shrouded Forest since I normally have an 8 second lead on my Sonic time before I reach the long path with trees after those worm enemies, but his homing slash sucks and leading into it with the backwards aerial thing takes too long so I blow the whole 8 second lead coming out of the 2D part.  I'm gonna try to figure something out there.

If it's cool, I'd like to know how you do Reach the Misty Lake, King Arthur 1, Soul Surge on air and ground, Shadow, Rampage, Reach the Goal (I'm guessing that is for Titanic Plains), and Knuckles.  You might be doing it easier than I am.

Flying Fox

2012-01-07 12:27:57 pm

Well I was under the impression that if (I think I have this right) a SS run beats a segmented run then only the SS run goes up on SDA and I know this is personal to you, which is why I was going to do stop doing it. However, I think RR told me that you were doing segmented, so since I'm single-segment I will carry on. I was going to carry on anyway because I'm hoping to stream the run for the TSC marathon at some point.

From the look of those times we're pretty much close Shocked

the ones that aren't I have been pretty close to being a second faster, but because I'm doing SS I just went for the next second up. So I have some idea of what to aim for. I'm only up to Crystal Cave at the moment, so should do some more work on it this week.

The only video I saw of yours so far was Great Megalith because I mentioned this ealier in this topic but nobody paid any attention to me I think Sad

I found a glitch on there that saved like 10 seconds as knuckles when time attacking on TSC. It involved soul surging right through the first two doors near the end of GM. I've pulled it off as knuckles and blaze, haven't tried it as sonic or shadow yet. I'm pretty sure my fastest time on the blaze boss was 9 seconds, but I need to work that out again.

Like I said I will do whatever I can to help you if you want it Smiley

I'll try and record those as soon as possible and yes I did mean reach the goal in TP.

Well I was under the impression that if (I think I have this right) a SS run beats a segmented run then only the SS run goes up on SDA and I know this is personal to you, which is why I was going to do stop doing it. However, I think RR told me that you were doing segmented, so since I'm single-segment I will carry on. I was going to carry on anyway because I'm hoping to stream the run for the TSC marathon at some point.

From the look of those times we're pretty much close :o the ones that aren't I have been pretty close to being a second faster, but because I'm doing SS I just went for the next second up. So I have some idea of what to aim for. I'm only up to Crystal Cave at the moment, so should do some more work on it this week.

The only video I saw of yours so far was Great Megalith because I mentioned this ealier in this topic but nobody paid any attention to me I think :( I found a glitch on there that saved like 10 seconds as knuckles when time attacking on TSC. It involved soul surging right through the first two doors near the end of GM. I've pulled it off as knuckles and blaze, haven't tried it as sonic or shadow yet. I'm pretty sure my fastest time on the blaze boss was 9 seconds, but I need to work that out again.

Like I said I will do whatever I can to help you if you want it :) I'll try and record those as soon as possible and yes I did mean reach the goal in TP.

Anon7906

2012-01-07 01:52:33 pm

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Well I was under the impression that if (I think I have this right) a SS run beats a segmented run then only the SS run goes up on SDA and I know this is personal to you, which is why I was going to do stop doing it. However, I think RR told me that you were doing segmented, so since I'm single-segment I will carry on. I was going to carry on anyway because I'm hoping to stream the run for the TSC marathon at some point.

From the look of those times we're pretty much close Shocked

the ones that aren't I have been pretty close to being a second faster, but because I'm doing SS I just went for the next second up. So I have some idea of what to aim for. I'm only up to Crystal Cave at the moment, so should do some more work on it this week.

The only video I saw of yours so far was Great Megalith because I mentioned this ealier in this topic but nobody paid any attention to me I think Sad

I found a glitch on there that saved like 10 seconds as knuckles when time attacking on TSC. It involved soul surging right through the first two doors near the end of GM. I've pulled it off as knuckles and blaze, haven't tried it as sonic or shadow yet. I'm pretty sure my fastest time on the blaze boss was 9 seconds, but I need to work that out again.

Like I said I will do whatever I can to help you if you want it Smiley

I'll try and record those as soon as possible and yes I did mean reach the goal in TP.

Yeah, I'm gonna segment it. I don't have the patience for single segment because the controls in this game are infuriating. Thanks for helping and your videos would be appreciated. In all honesty, this is not really all that personal to me. It's just that doing this is kinda of addicting. I'll get started tonight.

[quote="Flying Fox"]Well I was under the impression that if (I think I have this right) a SS run beats a segmented run then only the SS run goes up on SDA and I know this is personal to you, which is why I was going to do stop doing it. However, I think RR told me that you were doing segmented, so since I'm single-segment I will carry on. I was going to carry on anyway because I'm hoping to stream the run for the TSC marathon at some point.

From the look of those times we're pretty much close :o the ones that aren't I have been pretty close to being a second faster, but because I'm doing SS I just went for the next second up. So I have some idea of what to aim for. I'm only up to Crystal Cave at the moment, so should do some more work on it this week.

The only video I saw of yours so far was Great Megalith because I mentioned this ealier in this topic but nobody paid any attention to me I think :( I found a glitch on there that saved like 10 seconds as knuckles when time attacking on TSC. It involved soul surging right through the first two doors near the end of GM. I've pulled it off as knuckles and blaze, haven't tried it as sonic or shadow yet. I'm pretty sure my fastest time on the blaze boss was 9 seconds, but I need to work that out again.

Like I said I will do whatever I can to help you if you want it :) I'll try and record those as soon as possible and yes I did mean reach the goal in TP.
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Yeah, I'm gonna segment it.  I don't have the patience for single segment because the controls in this game are infuriating.  Thanks for helping and your videos would be appreciated.  In all honesty, this is not really all that personal to me.  It's just that doing this is kinda of addicting.  I'll get started tonight.

Flying Fox

2012-01-07 03:45:37 pm

I'll try and record all 8 missions with a few days as I have to go back to studying Sad

Anon7906

2012-01-08 02:26:33 am

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I'll try and record all 8 missions with a few days as I have to go back to studying Sad

That's cool. This will take me awhile anyways. I just have two more questions before I start on this. Anyone can answer these.

1. My first video will start from the title screen. This game has cutscenes, many of them. Keep them in or not? They don't count towards the file select screen timer and I usually skip them because you can if you mash + so...

2. I am going to derive my time for each segment by looking at the timer on the file select screen and doing simple subtraction since that timer only counts actual gameplay + results screen after a mission is complete. Is this fine? I will be starting every video after the first one from the level select map since after you finish a mission, that is where the game puts you.

I'll figure out encoding later once I'm done with the whole thing.

Flying Fox

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2012-01-08 01:27:37 pm

Ok I have recorded Reach the misty lake so far. I was hoping to record all 8 and put them together using anri-chan but it won't recognise the path to the videos >_> I could use wmm but that will take ages so I hope you don't mind if I post all the videos separately.

Since I tried segmenting this game at first I'll try my best to answer your questions. 1) I was cutting out the cutscenes myself. Imo if you can cut them out do so, and there are a lot of cutscenes. Infact I can't remember where most of them are and I had to make a note of them in my plan. 2) I see no problem with that since I started doing that, hope that helps. Also are you interested in the doors skip glitch on GM? If so let me know and I'll try and record it for you.

Edit: Actually I managed to find a way around it, so I'll put all 8 videos together.

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Quote from Flying Fox:

Ok I have recorded Reach the misty lake so far. I was hoping to record all 8 and put them together using anri-chan but it won't recognise the path to the videos >_> I could use wmm but that will take ages so I hope you don't mind if I post all the videos separately.

Since I tried segmenting this game at first I'll try my best to answer your questions. 1) I was cutting out the cutscenes myself. Imo if you can cut them out do so, and there are a lot of cutscenes. Infact I can't remember where most of them are and I had to make a note of them in my plan. 2) I see no problem with that since I started doing that, hope that helps. Also are you interested in the doors skip glitch on GM? If so let me know and I'll try and record it for you.

Edit: Actually I managed to find a way around it, so I'll put all 8 videos together.

Cool. Thanks for answering and making videos. I'm gonna start now. Yes I would like to see the glitch in GM. 8 seconds is alot of time.

Edit: Warning. If you mess up make sure to reset. Don't just exit the level. The game still keeps track of the time you spend in a level even if you don't finish. I learned this the hard way. Made me temporarily rage quit. Sad

[quote="Flying Fox"]Ok I have recorded Reach the misty lake so far. I was hoping to record all 8 and put them together using anri-chan but it won't recognise the path to the videos >_> I could use wmm but that will take ages so I hope you don't mind if I post all the videos separately.

Since I tried segmenting this game at first I'll try my best to answer your questions. 1) I was cutting out the cutscenes myself. Imo if you can cut them out do so, and there are a lot of cutscenes. Infact I can't remember where most of them are and I had to make a note of them in my plan. 2) I see no problem with that since I started doing that, hope that helps. Also are you interested in the doors skip glitch on GM? If so let me know and I'll try and record it for you.

Edit: Actually I managed to find a way around it, so I'll put all 8 videos together.
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Cool.  Thanks for answering and making videos.  I'm gonna start now.  Yes I would like to see the glitch in GM.  8 seconds is alot of time.

Edit:  Warning.  If you mess up make sure to reset.  Don't just exit the level.  The game still keeps track of the time you spend in a level even if you don't finish.  I learned this the hard way.  Made me temporarily rage quit.  :(

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Oh when I was segmenting I always reseted the system, if I had known that I would've told you Sad

I have recorded Reach the Misty lake and King Arthur 1 so far. I tried to record more last night but Studio 10 started being a bitch and I couldn't get an input signal so I had to stop >_> Once I get the signal back I'm just going to record the rest all in on go.

Edit: Soul surge both in the air and on the ground done and shadow boss done as well. I stopped for the time being because I couldn't remember my strat for Rampage, so I'll have to read the notes on it and record it later. I found out what the problem was with the input signal. Turns out to get signal I need to turn the wii settings to 50hz, I hope that won't affect my speed run will it? Sad

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2012-01-10 02:00:01 pm

Quote from Flying Fox:

Oh when I was segmenting I always reseted the system, if I had known that I would've told you Sad

I have recorded Reach the Misty lake and King Arthur 1 so far. I tried to record more last night but Studio 10 started being a bitch and I couldn't get an input signal so I had to stop >_> Once I get the signal back I'm just going to record the rest all in on go.

Edit: Soul surge both in the air and on the ground done and shadow boss done as well. I stopped for the time being because I couldn't remember my strat for Rampage, so I'll have to read the notes on it and record it later. I found out what the problem was with the input signal. Turns out to get signal I need to turn the wii settings to 50hz, I hope that won't affect my speed run will it? Sad

Oh thanks for the videos. Idk if 50hz will affect your speedrun. I'm not that knowledgeable. xD On a positive note, I've finally started working on this again. Each mission gets it's own segment. Time for each level is level time + results + identification screens (loading time in between these for cutscenes count as well I think) using the file select screen timer:

Reach the Misty Lake 38.96 in game 43 seconds total.
Retrieve the sacred sword 1:34.08 in game 1:54 total.
King Arthur 1 28.63 in game 49 total
Wield the sacred sword 13.81 in game 17 seconds total

Total so far is 3:43 with does match up with the file select screen timer. Cheesy

That's what I got so far. I'm trying to get better on reaching the blacksmith because I'm getting early 59 there. I want at least 58. D:

Edit: Got 58.50 on reaching Tails. 1:02 segement total. I finally figured out my mistake too. I was using homing slash when I didn't need to lol. xD
Edit 2: Got 19 seconds on both soul surge ground (28 seconds total) and air (27 seconds total) . When I tried while drunk I had no idea how I would get 19 seconds on either of them, but now I got them both after a few tries lol.
Edit 3: Got 1:14 on Reaching Amy like normal (1:25 total), but I figured out Shadow and got 2.9 seconds on his ass (12 second segment total). I was so shocked. I'm doing so good it's scary haha.
Edit 4: Got 47.99 (52 seconds total) on Deep Woods Ring-Giver. I was happy with that since I usually get late 48.
Edit 5: Got 45.80 (52 seconds total) on Deep Woods Rampage like a baws. I guess the file timer doesn't slow down for soul surge. :/
Edit 6: Got 47.61 (52 seconds total) on Camelot Castle Ring-Giver. o.o
Edit 7: Got 33.78 (46 seconds total) on Camelot Castle Rescue. Not bad. 33 is what I was aiming for, so I was proud to get it after getting 34 thirteen times in a row. Unless my past post was a typo, I have no idea how I got 32 and I don't remember doing it lol.

[quote="Flying Fox"]Oh when I was segmenting I always reseted the system, if I had known that I would've told you :( I have recorded Reach the Misty lake and King Arthur 1 so far. I tried to record more last night but Studio 10 started being a bitch and I couldn't get an input signal so I had to stop >_> Once I get the signal back I'm just going to record the rest all in on go.

Edit: Soul surge both in the air and on the ground done and shadow boss done as well. I stopped for the time being because I couldn't remember my strat for Rampage, so I'll have to read the notes on it and record it later. I found out what the problem was with the input signal. Turns out to get signal I need to turn the wii settings to 50hz, I hope that won't affect my speed run will it? :([/quote]

Oh thanks for the videos.  Idk if 50hz will affect your speedrun.  I'm not that knowledgeable.  xD  On a positive note, I've finally started working on this again.  Each mission gets it's own segment.  Time for each level is level time + results + identification screens (loading time in between these for cutscenes count as well I think)  using the file select screen timer:

Reach the Misty Lake 38.96 in game 43 seconds total.
Retrieve the sacred sword 1:34.08 in game 1:54 total.
King Arthur 1 28.63 in game 49 total
Wield the sacred sword 13.81 in game 17 seconds total

Total so far is 3:43 with does match up with the file select screen timer.  :D

That's what I got so far.  I'm trying to get better on reaching the blacksmith because I'm getting early 59 there.  I want at least 58.  D:

Edit:  Got 58.50 on reaching Tails.  1:02 segement total.  I finally figured out my mistake too.  I was using homing slash when I didn't need to lol.  xD
Edit 2:  Got 19 seconds on both soul surge ground (28 seconds total) and air (27 seconds total) .  When I tried while drunk I had no idea how I would get 19 seconds on either of them, but now I got them both after a few tries lol.
Edit 3: Got 1:14 on Reaching Amy like normal (1:25 total), but I figured out Shadow and got 2.9 seconds on his ass (12 second segment total).  I was so shocked.  I'm doing so good it's scary haha.
Edit 4: Got 47.99 (52 seconds total) on Deep Woods Ring-Giver.  I was happy with that since I usually get late 48.
Edit 5: Got 45.80 (52 seconds total) on Deep Woods Rampage like a baws.  I guess the file timer doesn't slow down for soul surge.  :/
Edit 6: Got 47.61 (52 seconds total) on Camelot Castle Ring-Giver.  o.o
Edit 7: Got 33.78 (46 seconds total) on Camelot Castle Rescue.  Not bad.  33 is what I was aiming for, so I was proud to get it after getting 34 thirteen times in a row.  Unless my past post was a typo, I have no idea how I got 32 and I don't remember doing it lol.

Flying Fox

2012-01-10 06:28:29 pm

Ok I have so far on the videos I made for you:
1) Reach the misty lake: 38:46
2) King Arthur 1: 28:66
3) Soul Surge on ground: 19:70
4) Soul surge in air: 19:51
5) Shadow: 4:00
6) Reach the goal: 59:31

Btw I once got 42 seconds on my first segment. Shadow I could get 3 seconds on but he's annoying and since I'm doing SS I'm just aiming for 3-5 seconds really. Reach the goal I nearly got sub 59 but I think I lost my nerve near the end and it was starting to annoy me >_> As for Rampage my fastest time so far is 46:96 I have no idea how you're getting 45 on it. Shocked

How did you get 47 on CC-ring giver? I'm going for 50 on that mission.

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2012-01-10 06:45:31 pm

Quote from Flying Fox:

Ok I have so far on the videos I made for you:
1) Reach the misty lake: 38:46
2) King Arthur 1: 28:66
3) Soul Surge on ground: 19:70
4) Soul surge in air: 19:51
5) Shadow: 4:00
6) Reach the goal: 59:31

Btw I once got 42 seconds on my first segment. Shadow I could get 3 seconds on but he's annoying and since I'm doing SS I'm just aiming for 3-5 seconds really. Reach the goal I nearly got sub 59 but I think I lost my nerve near the end and it was starting to annoy me >_> As for Rampage my fastest time so far is 46:96 I have no idea how you're getting 45 on it. Shocked

How did you get 47 on CC-ring giver? I'm going for 50 on that mission.

Damn I feel bad. I'm close enough or have beat the times I asked you to record for me. Don't get mad but I got 56.73 (1:05 segment total) on Reach the Goal xD. I'll upload Rampage and Camelot Castle Ring-Giver for you.

Edit: 5.78 (15 sec total) on Knuckles. o.o I'm going to try and get through the first half of the game before I go to sleep.
Edit 2: 1:41.76 (1:52 segment total) on Crystal Cave Reach the Goal. That's way ahead of what I was getting the other day. I'm ok with this.
Edit 3: 1:07.83 (1:14 segment total) on Crystal Cave Rescue the Townspeople. That's the first time I managed to get through it without taking a hit, and I did ok so I'll keep it.
Edit 4: 57.03 (1:05 segment total) on Crystal Cave Rampage. Only thing I had to get right was the jump from one spiral to the other. It got easier after that. I'm way ahead of what I said in my older post so I'm happy.
Edit 5: Molten Mine is kicking my ass. Sad

I'll try again tomorrow.

[quote="Flying Fox"]Ok I have so far on the videos I made for you:
1) Reach the misty lake: 38:46 
2) King Arthur 1: 28:66
3) Soul Surge on ground: 19:70
4) Soul surge in air: 19:51
5) Shadow: 4:00 
6) Reach the goal: 59:31

Btw I once got 42 seconds on my first segment. Shadow I could get 3 seconds on but he's annoying and since I'm doing SS I'm just aiming for 3-5 seconds really. Reach the goal I nearly got sub 59 but I think I lost my nerve near the end and it was starting to annoy me >_> As for Rampage my fastest time so far is 46:96 I have no idea how you're getting 45 on it. :o How did you get 47 on CC-ring giver? I'm going for 50 on that mission.[/quote]

Damn I feel bad. I'm close enough or have beat the times I asked you to record for me.  Don't get mad but I got 56.73 (1:05 segment total) on Reach the Goal xD.  I'll upload Rampage and Camelot Castle Ring-Giver for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tiQRY2RHrQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4dsYWfhdwQ

Edit: 5.78 (15 sec total) on Knuckles.  o.o  I'm going to try and get through the first half of the game before I go to sleep.
Edit 2: 1:41.76 (1:52 segment total) on Crystal Cave Reach the Goal.  That's way ahead of what I was getting the other day.  I'm ok with this.
Edit 3: 1:07.83 (1:14 segment total) on Crystal Cave Rescue the Townspeople.  That's the first time I managed to get through it without taking a hit, and I did ok so I'll keep it.
Edit 4: 57.03 (1:05 segment total) on Crystal Cave Rampage.  Only thing I had to get right was the jump from one spiral to the other.  It got easier after that.  I'm way ahead of what I said in my older post so I'm happy.
Edit 5: Molten Mine is kicking my ass.  :(  I'll try again tomorrow.

Flying Fox

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Oh damn if I didn't get booted off the internet after I made that post, I would've told you that I went back to look at CC-ring giver and worked out what you did Tongue

my fastest time on it is 47:76 so I'll be aiming for 48:xx on my SS. I even watched your video and yes we kinda did the same thing so that's awesome. To be honest after looking at that mission again I'm considering looking at my speed run plan again and doing some tweaking now that I have a better idea on how to speed run this game :D. Oh and as for TP-RtG I almost got sub 59 so I'll need to look at that again.

Just to make it clear to anyone reading these posts, a lot of these times I can match but because I'm doing SS and could easily mess up somewhere I added a second to my goal time just in case. Except for bosses I'm adding 3 seconds to them because they can suck. My fastest time on knuckles is 6:16 and my fastest time on shadow has been 2:xx once O_O. To me it sounds like you won't need the videos anymore, if so could you tell me as I have other stuff planned that needs looking at. I'll still do GM for. I was wondering if it'll be ok to record as 100% knuckles as I'll have more luck getting it (I hope). The concept should still be the same.

Edit: ok I looked at your videos and now I can see where the differences are and I was right. You unlocked landing dash faster than me, I don't have it unlocked till after rampage, which makes you go slightly faster. This is because I'm not defeating enemies enough to gain enough followers to unlock it because I thought it was faster that way. Not to mention you are timing your cancelling of the soul surge perfectly, which is what I expected you to do in a segment. I'm not doing that in my SS as I could easily mess it up >_<. Cancelling your soul surge like that you don't waste precious time, which is why I did that when taing at TSC. So now seeing the difference between our times (I am doing the same strats as you in your videos) I'm considering doing that in my speed run, it shouldn't be too hard to learn the timing. As anyone knows taing the whole thing in one go and doing it indivdually are two separate things Sad

Oh damn if I didn't get booted off the internet after I made that post, I would've told you that I went back to look at CC-ring giver and worked out what you did :P my fastest time on it is 47:76 so I'll be aiming for 48:xx on my SS. I even watched your video and yes we kinda did the same thing so that's awesome. To be honest after looking at that mission again I'm considering looking at my speed run plan again and doing some tweaking now that I have a better idea on how to speed run this game :D. Oh and as for TP-RtG I almost got sub 59 so I'll need to look at that again.

Just to make it clear to anyone reading these posts, a lot of these times I can match but because I'm doing SS and could easily mess up somewhere I added a second to my goal time just in case. Except for bosses I'm adding 3 seconds to them because they can suck. My fastest time on knuckles is 6:16 and my fastest time on shadow has been 2:xx once O_O. To me it sounds like you won't need the videos anymore, if so could you tell me as I have other stuff planned that needs looking at. I'll still do GM for. I was wondering if it'll be ok to record as 100% knuckles as I'll have more luck getting it (I hope). The concept should still be the same.

Edit: ok I looked at your videos and now I can see where the differences are and I was right. You unlocked landing dash faster than me, I don't have it unlocked till after rampage, which makes you go slightly faster. This is because I'm not defeating enemies enough to gain enough followers to unlock it because I thought it was faster that way. Not to mention you are timing your cancelling of the soul surge perfectly, which is what I expected you to do in a segment. I'm not doing that in my SS as I could easily mess it up >_<. Cancelling your soul surge like that you don't waste precious time, which is why I did that when taing at TSC. So now seeing the difference between our times (I am doing the same strats as you in your videos) I'm considering doing that in my speed run, it shouldn't be too hard to learn the timing. As anyone knows taing the whole thing in one go and doing it indivdually are two separate things :(

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Oh damn if I didn't get booted off the internet after I made that post, I would've told you that I went back to look at CC-ring giver and worked out what you did Tongue

my fastest time on it is 47:76 so I'll be aiming for 48:xx on my SS. I even watched your video and yes we kinda did the same thing so that's awesome. To be honest after looking at that mission again I'm considering looking at my speed run plan again and doing some tweaking now that I have a better idea on how to speed run this game :D. Oh and as for TP-RtG I almost got sub 59 so I'll need to look at that again.

Just to make it clear to anyone reading these posts, a lot of these times I can match but because I'm doing SS and could easily mess up somewhere I added a second to my goal time just in case. Except for bosses I'm adding 3 seconds to them because they can suck. My fastest time on knuckles is 6:16 and my fastest time on shadow has been 2:xx once O_O. To me it sounds like you won't need the videos anymore, if so could you tell me as I have other stuff planned that needs looking at. I'll still do GM for. I was wondering if it'll be ok to record as 100% knuckles as I'll have more luck getting it (I hope). The concept should still be the same.

Edit: ok I looked at your videos and now I can see where the differences are and I was right. You unlocked landing dash faster than me, I don't have it unlocked till after rampage, which makes you go slightly faster. This is because I'm not defeating enemies enough to gain enough followers to unlock it because I thought it was faster that way. Not to mention you are timing your cancelling of the soul surge perfectly, which is what I expected you to do in a segment. I'm not doing that in my SS as I could easily mess it up >_<. Cancelling your soul surge like that you don't waste precious time, which is why I did that when taing at TSC. So now seeing the difference between our times (I am doing the same strats as you in your videos) I'm considering doing that in my speed run, it shouldn't be too hard to learn the timing. As anyone knows taing the whole thing in one go and doing it indivdually are two separate things Sad

Yes it's much more difficult to do single-segment. I could not do it due to this game's controls. Too much rage. Good luck to you. I wish I could use a GC controller and have B = sword, A = jump, Y and/or X= speed break, and Z = soul surge with L and/or R being kick. This would make the game at least somewhat easier.

I'll want to see that Great Megalith thing. It could be real useful if it saves as much time as you said it does. Also, at times I tend to go out of my way to hit enemies I don't need to so I can unlock stuff faster like the landing dash. I also have lunge attack before reaching Percival, so I'm going to see if it helps against her once I get something I'm proud of in Molten Mine. On Molten Mine, it's the homing slash at the start that's killing me. The level is real simple after that, but I can almost never get the homing slash right. Another thing I haven't tried yet is switching Sonic to Cavalier style in later stages. I'll try to see if that works as well.

Edit: 1:01.41 (1:07 segment total) on Molten Mine. I slightly beat my video from earlier. I managed to homing attack most enemies at the start then did the rest of the level ok. Also, the rail trick for speed actually does work like in Misty Lake, but only going through the loop at the end. You use it anywhere else and you'll mess up or fall and die lol.

Edit 2: 10.26 (21 seconds total) on Blaze. There's probably a better way to do this, idk. I did nearly two seconds better than what I was doing the other day after many tries so I decided to keep it. I took damage on purpose.

Edit 3: 16.41 (45 seconds total) on King Fake 2. Nothing to say about this. It was easy.

Edit 4: 2:29.46 (2:36 segment total) on Knight's Passage. I did like two seconds better than my old video! Cheesy

[quote="Flying Fox"]Oh damn if I didn't get booted off the internet after I made that post, I would've told you that I went back to look at CC-ring giver and worked out what you did :P my fastest time on it is 47:76 so I'll be aiming for 48:xx on my SS. I even watched your video and yes we kinda did the same thing so that's awesome. To be honest after looking at that mission again I'm considering looking at my speed run plan again and doing some tweaking now that I have a better idea on how to speed run this game :D. Oh and as for TP-RtG I almost got sub 59 so I'll need to look at that again.

Just to make it clear to anyone reading these posts, a lot of these times I can match but because I'm doing SS and could easily mess up somewhere I added a second to my goal time just in case. Except for bosses I'm adding 3 seconds to them because they can suck. My fastest time on knuckles is 6:16 and my fastest time on shadow has been 2:xx once O_O. To me it sounds like you won't need the videos anymore, if so could you tell me as I have other stuff planned that needs looking at. I'll still do GM for. I was wondering if it'll be ok to record as 100% knuckles as I'll have more luck getting it (I hope). The concept should still be the same.

Edit: ok I looked at your videos and now I can see where the differences are and I was right. You unlocked landing dash faster than me, I don't have it unlocked till after rampage, which makes you go slightly faster. This is because I'm not defeating enemies enough to gain enough followers to unlock it because I thought it was faster that way. Not to mention you are timing your cancelling of the soul surge perfectly, which is what I expected you to do in a segment. I'm not doing that in my SS as I could easily mess it up >_<. Cancelling your soul surge like that you don't waste precious time, which is why I did that when taing at TSC. So now seeing the difference between our times (I am doing the same strats as you in your videos) I'm considering doing that in my speed run, it shouldn't be too hard to learn the timing. As anyone knows taing the whole thing in one go and doing it indivdually are two separate things :([/quote]

Yes it's much more difficult to do single-segment.  I could not do it due to this game's controls.  Too much rage.  Good luck to you.  I wish I could use a GC controller and have B = sword, A = jump, Y and/or X= speed break, and Z = soul surge with L and/or R being kick.  This would make the game at least somewhat easier.

I'll want to see that Great Megalith thing.  It could be real useful if it saves as much time as you said it does.  Also, at times I tend to go out of my way to hit enemies I don't need to so I can unlock stuff faster like the landing dash.  I also have lunge attack before reaching Percival, so I'm going to see if it helps against her once I get something I'm proud of in Molten Mine.  On Molten Mine, it's the homing slash at the start that's killing me.  The level is real simple after that, but I can almost never get the homing slash right.  Another thing I haven't tried yet is switching Sonic to Cavalier style in later stages.  I'll try to see if that works as well.

Edit: 1:01.41 (1:07 segment total) on Molten Mine.  I slightly beat my video from earlier.  I managed to homing attack most enemies at the start then did the rest of the level ok.  Also, the rail trick for speed actually does work like in Misty Lake, but only going through the loop at the end.  You use it anywhere else and you'll mess up or fall and die lol.

Edit 2: 10.26 (21 seconds total) on Blaze.  There's probably a better way to do this, idk.  I did nearly two seconds better than what I was doing the other day after many tries so I decided to keep it.  I took damage on purpose.

Edit 3: 16.41 (45 seconds total) on King Fake 2.  Nothing to say about this.  It was easy.

Edit 4: 2:29.46 (2:36 segment total) on Knight's Passage.  I did like two seconds better than my old video!  :D