Sonic and the Black Knight (Wii)

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Venick409: 2009-12-29 12:07:17 am

2009-12-28 11:38:33 pm

I was surprised when i couldn't find a topic for this and decided I'd start one myself.

I'm planing on doing a Segmented run then maybe a SS run.
The Segments will most likely be each level (maybe a few level at the start because they are so short.)
Right now I plan to use Sonic in each level because of his Soul gauge power, but might use Blaze in the dragon level if she is faster.
Knuckles and Shadow are slow and useless from what I can tell.
Until I get the Soul Gauge with sonic the fastest way to travel is short hops.
I'll have to kill some enemy's to get my Soul Gauge up.
Lastly Equipment doesn't seem to help much so I'll just skip that.

My goal for The SS would be around an Hour.(depending on if the 1st/2nt set of credits count.)

That's all for now post if you are interested/have advise.

I have a question Would you count the 1st and/or 2nt set of credits to the time?
I'm Guessing you would count the 1st set. About the 2nt set thought there is still a cut scene and some places that unlock, (extra) after it that I have to scroll through

Thread title:

I was surprised when i couldn't find a topic for this and decided I'd start one myself.

I'm planing on doing a Segmented run then maybe a SS run.
The Segments will most likely be each level (maybe a few level at the start because they are so short.)
Right now I plan to use Sonic in each level because of his Soul gauge power, but might use Blaze in the dragon level if she is faster.
Knuckles and Shadow are slow and useless from what I can tell.
Until I get the Soul Gauge with sonic the fastest way to travel is short hops.
I'll have to kill some enemy's to get my Soul Gauge up.
Lastly Equipment doesn't seem to help much so I'll just skip that.

My goal for The SS would be around an Hour.(depending on if the 1st/2nt set of credits count.)

That's all for now post if you are interested/have advise.

I have a question Would you count the 1st and/or 2nt set of credits to the time?
I'm Guessing you would count the 1st set. About the 2nt set thought there is still a cut scene and some places that unlock, (extra) after it that I have to scroll through

X

2009-12-29 03:32:50 am

destroy them with lazers

Have you visited the sonic center they usually have the best times to compare to if your interested. http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_and_the_black_knight/times

Venick409

2009-12-29 06:49:00 am

Yeah I looked at those, but my times couldn't be as good as them they start out with soul gauge and I don't.

Paused

2009-12-29 08:21:03 am

Shizzlee23 is the go to girl for Sonic and the Black Knight runs.

She has a ton of IL runs, and a full game runthrough too. Though it sounds like from her channel, that the full game run is going to be improved at some point.

RingRush

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RingRush: 2009-12-29 11:01:28 am

2009-12-29 10:52:39 am

I was actually planning to run this after BK:O, but since I hate the game and I don't feel like working on it I'll let you :p.

Some advice:
1. Find out what materials you can get from the levels you do, and manipulate them for the segmented run. If you get the right items to fuse a high level Lancelot/Percival sword, it could make a lot of difference in the levels they are allowed (specifically if they have speed up bonuses, gauge bonuses, or acceleration bonuses). Maybe Gawain axes, but only if you are really desperate.
2. Early on in the game, Homing Sword Spin is amazing. It can let you go very fast through some sets of enemies, faster than running alone, and builds the soul gauge to boot. Even before SG, you should use it sometimes.
3. Use a lot of SHCs (Short hop cancels; press jump twice quickly), especially if you manage to forge a fast sword. SHCs are the fastest way to descend, can skip bouncing up on springs, and being slowed down by boost panels (if you have a high speed). SBK running is all about microtricks, since the levels are so linear. Something to save .2s is definitely something worth doing.
4. For the most part, if you aren't HSSing enemies, run around them or jump over them. Fighting is totally unnecesary.
5. Even if you can't forge a fast sword for Percival, you might want to use her on any levels with a lot of wall running, such as The Cauldren Beat the Clock. The exception is if it is a short vertical wall that you can HSS into as Sonic: this makes him rise very fast.
6. You may want to try the OoB glitch in Dragon's Cave Beat the Clock with Gawain. Only resort to this if you can't get a lot of speed bonuses for others, as it really isn't useful otherwise.
7. Depending on how reliant you are on Soul Surge, use either Knight or Cavalier style.

Probably more I'm forgetting...

I was actually planning to run this after BK:O, but since I hate the game and I don't feel like working on it I'll let you :p.

Some advice:
1. Find out what materials you can get from the levels you do, and manipulate them for the segmented run. If you get the right items to fuse a high level Lancelot/Percival sword, it could make a lot of difference in the levels they are allowed (specifically if they have speed up bonuses, gauge bonuses, or acceleration bonuses). Maybe Gawain axes, but only if you are really desperate.
2. Early on in the game, Homing Sword Spin is amazing. It can let you go very fast through some sets of enemies, faster than running alone, and builds the soul gauge to boot. Even before SG, you should use it sometimes.
3. Use a lot of SHCs (Short hop cancels; press jump twice quickly), especially if you manage to forge a fast sword. SHCs are the fastest way to descend, can skip bouncing up on springs, and being slowed down by boost panels (if you have a high speed). SBK running is all about microtricks, since the levels are so linear. Something to save .2s is definitely something worth doing.
4. For the most part, if you aren't HSSing enemies, run around them or jump over them. Fighting is totally unnecesary.
5. Even if you can't forge a fast sword for Percival, you might want to use her on any levels with a lot of wall running, such as The Cauldren Beat the Clock. The exception is if it is a short vertical wall that you can HSS into as Sonic: this makes him rise very fast.
6. You may want to try the OoB glitch in Dragon's Cave Beat the Clock with Gawain. Only resort to this if you can't get a lot of speed bonuses for others, as it really isn't useful otherwise.
7. Depending on how reliant you are on Soul Surge, use either Knight or Cavalier style.

Probably more I'm forgetting...

MAS8705

2009-12-29 11:37:39 am

SDA Apprentice -- (3-1)

Quote from Venick409:

Yeah I looked at those, but my times couldn't be as good as them they start out with soul gauge and I don't.

That maybe, but keep in mind that if you are going for a new game run, your times aren't going to be as good as those who have the full upgrades...

That said, since we are talking about Shizzlee, it should also be said that she had also posted her version of a new game speedrun...

Granted though that parts of her run can use improvement, but if you want to get an idea of how to perform the run (and improve on it) this would be a good start...

Also to answer an earlier question, I'm pretty sure that since there isn't much of a difference between the 1st and 2nd endings on terms of time(not counting the false credits), the run would probably require the final fight with the dark queen... As for the credits itself, there isn't much we can do about that other than to just bare with it...

Shizzlee

2009-12-29 04:39:51 pm

Ah, this is the SDA. I had to google it XD Anyway, there will be a version two that I plan to upload to Youtube at the end of January. I have not tried working in other characters/weapons into the speedrun yet, but I will. I'm just still working on finding faster ways through Great Megalith, Dragon's Lair, Shrouded Forest, and the Cauldron before I start working Blaze in there to see if I could faster times with her. I never even thought of using equipment, main reason being is because it takes multiple tries to get rare items that are used to make better swords and most equipment for the better swords are found in the later levels. I stayed with Knight style throughout the duration of the run because it's a little harder to deal with enemies that have shields under Cavalier style because the sword/attack extension is not unlocked for it out the gate, but your soul gauge does last longer in Cavalier style so I'll try working on that to see if I can get anywhere. I'll be around and try to help with anything if I can :3

Ah, this is the SDA.  I had to google it XD  Anyway, there will be a version two that I plan to upload to Youtube at the end of January.  I have not tried working in other characters/weapons into the speedrun yet, but I will.  I'm just still working on finding faster ways through Great Megalith, Dragon's Lair, Shrouded Forest, and the Cauldron before I start working Blaze in there to see if I could faster times with her.  I never even thought of using equipment, main reason being is because it takes multiple tries to get rare items that are used to make better swords and most equipment for the better swords are found in the later levels.  I stayed with Knight style throughout the duration of the run because it's a little harder to deal with enemies that have shields under Cavalier style because the sword/attack extension is not unlocked for it out the gate, but your soul gauge does last longer in Cavalier style so I'll try working on that to see if I can get anywhere. I'll be around and try to help with anything if I can :3

Venick409

2009-12-29 05:37:10 pm

So I found some spots I suck at. but shouldn't!
~Lancelot Boss fight
~Percival Boss fight
~Gawain Boss fight
~Dragon Slayer

Also regarding drops for making Weapons. It would be really annoying to try and get even in a segmented run, because if you mess up you have to redo all the levels because of auto save and you can't copy your file.

MAS8705

2009-12-29 06:48:04 pm

SDA Apprentice -- (3-1)

Shizzlee: Iif no one else has said it yet before me, I like to welcome you to Speed Demos Archive... Your speed run for this game was really good, and I'm sure that if you plan and perform your 2nd speed run well enough, it could very well be accepted... If you do decide to submit it, I wish you the best of luck...

Venick: Depending on how you may approach the run and what weapons you decide to create or collect, luck manipulation is always annoying, even on segmented runs (as you said)... However, if I am not mistaken, Sonic & the black knight isn't one of those games like castlevania judgement (Doesn't allow you to copy to SD card) and while autosave is a speed runner's worst enemy, you can always save a backup and if something happens that you don't perform so well, you can always get the backup file, place it into the save file and try again... Other than that, if you are having problems with any particular section, there is really only one thing to say... PRACTICE!!! Other than that, I wish you the best of luck as well...

I admit that I haven't played this game myself yet, but I'll try to rent the game and try it out so that I can try to assist with what I can...

Shizzlee: Iif no one else has said it yet before me, I like to welcome you to Speed Demos Archive... Your speed run for this game was really good, and I'm sure that if you plan and perform your 2nd speed run well enough, it could very well be accepted...  If you do decide to submit it, I wish you the best of luck...

Venick: Depending on how you may approach the run and what weapons you decide to create or collect, luck manipulation is always annoying, even on segmented runs (as you said)... However, if I am not mistaken, Sonic & the black knight isn't one of those games like castlevania judgement (Doesn't allow you to copy to SD card) and while autosave is a speed runner's worst enemy, you can always save a backup and if something happens that you don't perform so well, you can always get the backup file, place it into the save file and try again...  Other than that, if you are having problems with any particular section, there is really only one thing to say... PRACTICE!!!  Other than that, I wish you the best of luck as well...

I admit that I haven't played this game myself yet, but I'll try to rent the game and try it out so that I can try to assist with what I can...

Venick409

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Venick409: 2009-12-29 08:52:50 pm

2009-12-29 08:47:29 pm

I'm still pretty newbie when it comes to SatBK compared to Shizzlee. So I'm sorry if I ask stupid questions.

Oh Shizzle I compared your:
~Dragon's Lair
~The Cauldron
~Shrouded Forest
~Great Megalith
~Knights Passage
Times from your run on Youtube, and I'm about a minute behind all of them, except Dragon's Lair I'm about a minute and a half behind that one.
And I was wondering should I make videos to show you so you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

And one last thing, I can't do the sword homing attack very well. what's the timing on it. (sorry for it being so newbie I'd just rather know that not know and be slow.)

Shizzlee

2009-12-29 11:15:36 pm

Quote from MAS8705:

Shizzlee: Iif no one else has said it yet before me, I like to welcome you to Speed Demos Archive... Your speed run for this game was really good, and I'm sure that if you plan and perform your 2nd speed run well enough, it could very well be accepted... If you do decide to submit it, I wish you the best of luck...

Venick: Depending on how you may approach the run and what weapons you decide to create or collect, luck manipulation is always annoying, even on segmented runs (as you said)... However, if I am not mistaken, Sonic & the black knight isn't one of those games like castlevania judgement (Doesn't allow you to copy to SD card) and while autosave is a speed runner's worst enemy, you can always save a backup and if something happens that you don't perform so well, you can always get the backup file, place it into the save file and try again... Other than that, if you are having problems with any particular section, there is really only one thing to say... PRACTICE!!! Other than that, I wish you the best of luck as well...

I admit that I haven't played this game myself yet, but I'll try to rent the game and try it out so that I can try to assist with what I can...

Thanks for welcoming me <3 I would submit something to the SDA, but I would need another capture device first. Mines is starting to act up every now then with problems coming more frequently than they used to Sad

Quote from Venick409:

I'm still pretty newbie when it comes to SatBK compared to Shizzlee. So I'm sorry if I ask stupid questions.

Oh Shizzle I compared your:
~Dragon's Lair
~The Cauldron
~Shrouded Forest
~Great Megalith
~Knights Passage
Times from your run on Youtube, and I'm about a minute behind all of them, except Dragon's Lair I'm about a minute and a half behind that one.
And I was wondering should I make videos to show you so you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

And one last thing, I can't do the sword homing attack very well. what's the timing on it. (sorry for it being so newbie I'd just rather know that not know and be slow.)

That would be a better way for me to help you so yes make videos. For Sonic's homing attack you want to jump then press A again then a little bit before Sonic touches the enemy swing the Wii Remote. All I can say is try to practice doing it.

[quote="MAS8705"]
Shizzlee: Iif no one else has said it yet before me, I like to welcome you to Speed Demos Archive... Your speed run for this game was really good, and I'm sure that if you plan and perform your 2nd speed run well enough, it could very well be accepted...  If you do decide to submit it, I wish you the best of luck...

Venick: Depending on how you may approach the run and what weapons you decide to create or collect, luck manipulation is always annoying, even on segmented runs (as you said)... However, if I am not mistaken, Sonic & the black knight isn't one of those games like castlevania judgement (Doesn't allow you to copy to SD card) and while autosave is a speed runner's worst enemy, you can always save a backup and if something happens that you don't perform so well, you can always get the backup file, place it into the save file and try again...  Other than that, if you are having problems with any particular section, there is really only one thing to say... PRACTICE!!!  Other than that, I wish you the best of luck as well...

I admit that I haven't played this game myself yet, but I'll try to rent the game and try it out so that I can try to assist with what I can...
[/quote]

Thanks for welcoming me <3  I would submit something to the SDA, but I would need another capture device first.  Mines is starting to act up every now then with problems coming more frequently than they used to :(

[quote="Venick409"]
I'm still pretty newbie when it comes to SatBK compared to Shizzlee. So I'm sorry if I ask stupid questions.

Oh Shizzle I compared your:
~Dragon's Lair
~The Cauldron
~Shrouded Forest
~Great Megalith
~Knights Passage
Times from your run on Youtube, and I'm about a minute behind all of them, except Dragon's Lair I'm about a minute and a half behind that one.
And I was wondering should I make videos to show you so you can tell me what I'm doing wrong?

And one last thing, I can't do the sword homing attack very well. what's the timing on it. (sorry for it being so newbie I'd just rather know that not know and be slow.)
[/quote]

That would be a better way for me to help you so yes make videos.  For Sonic's homing attack you want to jump then press A again then a little bit before Sonic touches the enemy swing the Wii Remote.  All I can say is try to practice doing it.

Flying Fox

2009-12-30 05:52:06 am

Ring Rush posted this link on TSC chatroom and I had to post in here. You won't know me since I'm a newbie here, but Shizzlee will since we battle it out to get the fastest times on SBK Tongue

This might be of use to you but I found a trick on Great Megalith - Beat The Clock. I think this trick could save you about 6 or 7 seconds if done correctly. When you get to the section with the doors, I used soul surge quickly, before the spider enemies could appear and went straight through the first 2 doors. This is alot faster since I beat my previous time by 4 seconds but I failed the last bit Sad

Unfortunately I don't know how this trick works, I can only do it by accident. However, since Shizzlee reclaimed her record back, I'm guessing she worked out this trick. She might know how it works. I was working on it last night I think I'm getting close to working it out Smiley

Oh and another thing I'd like to point out is good timing with soul surge. I have lost so much time due to not timing it well Sad

but I am getting better. If I can think of anything else I'll post in here again. In fact I'm going to compete in it again at TSC and try to reclaim my records back from Shizzlee, since most of my times are pretty close to hers Cheesy

Ring Rush posted this link on TSC chatroom and I had to post in here. You won't know me since I'm a newbie here, but Shizzlee will since we battle it out to get the fastest times on SBK :P

This might be of use to you but I found a trick on Great Megalith - Beat The Clock. I think this trick could save you about 6 or 7 seconds if done correctly. When you get to the section with the doors, I used soul surge quickly, before the spider enemies could appear and went straight through the first 2 doors. This is alot faster since I beat my previous time by 4 seconds but I failed the last bit :( Unfortunately I don't know how this trick works, I can only do it by accident. However, since Shizzlee reclaimed her record back, I'm guessing she worked out this trick. She might know how it works. I was working on it last night I think I'm getting close to working it out :)

Oh and another thing I'd like to point out is good timing with soul surge. I have lost so much time due to not timing it well :( but I am getting better. If I can think of anything else I'll post in here again. In fact I'm going to compete in it again at TSC and try to reclaim my records back from Shizzlee, since most of my times are pretty close to hers :D

Venick409

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Venick409: 2010-01-01 07:48:37 pm

2010-01-01 07:31:36 pm

So I was working on some Segmented planing and I found a few things. (note: I'm not 100% sure 1 and 2 are right/aloud.)

1. I believe Sonic is just all around faster then everyone even with better swords.

2. I doubt we could do this, but someone else can trade people the treasure they need to make weapons (If it does turn out better.)

3. Also I believe for the best time I might just have to do a level a segment, also because it auto saves after each level, and you can't move the save data. (Witch would make 28 segments.)

RingRush

2010-01-01 08:16:23 pm

1. I highly doubt that. Speed is determined entirely by the presence of "Speed +X" skills. If you can fuse a sword with Speed +3, and probably even +2, it should be faster than Sonic.
2. This might qualify as a New Game+, not sure. I'd be happy to trade some items though.
3. Yeah, this is probably what you'll have to do. Just be quick on the reset after levels if you weren't fast enough.

Venick409

2010-01-01 08:43:32 pm

Quote from RingRush:

1. I highly doubt that. Speed is determined entirely by the presence of "Speed +X" skills. If you can fuse a sword with Speed +3, and probably even +2, it should be faster than Sonic.

I meant more like because of his Soul surge/Homing Sword Spin. He would be the fastest in each level.

RingRush

2010-01-01 11:56:30 pm

Homing spin is slow once you can slip by enemies with a speed bonus. Plus, Blaze and Shadow have soul surges just as fast as Sonic's (since they should always be canceled before targeting enemies anyways).

Venick409

2010-01-05 12:08:00 pm

So testing seems to show that short hops would be the same speed witch means after each one I would have to accelerate after each one and with the Times on TSC I think i will just use sonic on all the levels.
And I can't just run past the enemy's with out them getting ion the way, witch would mean I have to kill them/ jump witch would cost time.

(Also would make the run a hole lot more bearable. )

RingRush

2010-01-05 05:51:54 pm

"And I can't just run past the enemy's with out them getting ion the way, witch would mean I have to kill them/ jump witch would cost time."

Wrong. You almost always can at high speeds, and should do it as much as possible. The key to getting fast times is simply that - running around all enemies (hence why it is so boring to run).

Venick409

2010-01-06 12:22:20 pm

So I did the first 3 segments, but I might not be doing a Segmented run any more. Look at bottom of post to see why.

Segment 1:

First I would like to say that it is faster in this level to run then short hop. It saves about 1/2 to 1 seconds. Now I was pretty happy with this segment. Not much to work with in this level. I might have been able to shave off half a second probably not even that.
That's all not much to say about this segment.

Segment 2:

Now this segment I am very happy with.
The level went well, I lost some time doing a short hop cancel right before the dragon, but nothing major.

Now the dragon fight I did near perfect witch got me a time of, 1:35:35 in this stage.
Then again I could of done probably half a second to a second better in this level. maybe even a second and a half.

Segment 3:

This is of the first 3 segments the one I am least happy with.
It's pretty sloppy and I could of saved a few seconds if I did the Wii mote parts faster, but then again it's still a. "All right segment."

Important note!!!:

So if menu time counts then I'm behind Shizzlee's SS, because it's about 11 seconds to get to a level,
and the few second boosts I am getting isn't good enough unless it's really big boosts like in the mist dragon stage.

So I did the first 3 segments, but I might not be doing a Segmented run any more. Look at bottom of post to see why.

Segment 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3y7egisEBM
 
First I would like to say that it is faster in this level to run then short hop.  It saves about 1/2 to 1 seconds.  Now I was pretty happy with this segment.  Not much to work with in this level. I might have been able to shave off half a second probably not even that. 
That's all not much to say about this segment. 
 
 
 
Segment 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl6lbsAudPI&feature=channel
 
Now this segment I am very happy with. 
The level went well, I lost some time doing a short hop cancel right before the dragon, but nothing major.  
 
Now the dragon fight I did near perfect witch got me a time of, 1:35:35 in this stage.
Then again I could of done probably half a second to a second better in this level. maybe even a second and a half. 
 
 
 
 
Segment 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tthg4Gm1Qeg
 
This is of the first 3 segments the one I am least happy with. 
It's pretty sloppy and I could of saved a few seconds if I did the Wii mote parts faster, but then again it's still a. "All right segment."

Important note!!!:

So if menu time counts then I'm behind Shizzlee's SS, because it's about 11 seconds to get to a level,
and the few second boosts I am getting isn't good enough unless it's really big boosts like in the mist dragon stage.

Shizzlee

2010-01-29 07:02:47 pm

Ahh, I forgot to post this here XD You can find version 2.0 of my speedrun in this playlist: I was able to cut a little over one minute off my time and had major improvements in The Cauldron, Dragon's Lair, and The Dark Queen. This is single segment.

Flying Fox

2011-06-08 12:37:08 pm

I’ve always wanted to do a speed run on this game, so since I have six months of absolutely not doing much in Australia, now would be a good time to do it. Before I start speed running it, there are some questions that I would like to ask first, since I’m still sort of new here and don’t know much about this site. I did find a page about what how to do a run, but I can’t find it anymore and I forgot what it said.

Can I do the run in segments? The game saves every time you beat a mission and come out of the items identification screen. Some missions will be really short, such as less than a minute. If I was allowed to do it in segments, I was wondering if some segments should contain a few more missions so that way there will be fewer segments to do. I don’t really mind either way.

Am I allowed to change characters/styles? After I beat Knights Passage – Beat the Clock, the other three characters are unlocked. You change characters after you select the mission and before you start it, so no leaving the mission select screen. As for styles, they are unlocked after you defeat Sir Percival. You just select the mission, then select blacksmith and there you can change styles. Again not leaving the mission select screen.

There’s also some items and equipment that will help in the speed run, but they are so random, but if I was doing it segmented I may be able to collect the right ones. Will that be allowed?

Finally, how will the game be timed and will you be counting credits? There is an in-game timer. On some missions like Beat the Clock, the time will be revealed at the end. However, on all of the other missions to get your time you would have to go back into the mission and then get it from there.

I’m so sorry for asking these questions, but like I said I rather knew that I was doing it right, then have it rejected because of something silly I did Sad

I’ve always wanted to do a speed run on this game, so since I have six months of absolutely not doing much in Australia, now would be a good time to do it. Before I start speed running it, there are some questions that I would like to ask first, since I’m still sort of new here and don’t know much about this site.  I did find a page about what how to do a run, but I can’t find it anymore and I forgot what it said.

Can I do the run in segments? The game saves every time you beat a mission and come out of the items identification screen. Some missions will be really short, such as less than a minute. If I was allowed to do it in segments, I was wondering if some segments should contain a few more missions so that way there will be fewer segments to do. I don’t really mind either way.

Am I allowed to change characters/styles? After I beat Knights Passage – Beat the Clock, the other three characters are unlocked. You change characters after you select the mission and before you start it, so no leaving the mission select screen. As for styles, they are unlocked after you defeat Sir Percival. You just select the mission, then select blacksmith and there you can change styles. Again not leaving the mission select screen.

There’s also some items and equipment that will help in the speed run, but they are so random, but if I was doing it segmented I may be able to collect the right ones. Will that be allowed?

Finally, how will the game be timed and will you be counting credits? There is an in-game timer. On some missions like Beat the Clock, the time will be revealed at the end. However, on all of the other missions to get your time you would have to go back into the mission and then get it from there.

I’m so sorry for asking these questions, but like I said I rather knew that I was doing it right, then have it rejected because of something silly I did :(

Garlyle

2011-06-08 01:50:29 pm

That Guy

Segments: Yes. It's up to you exactly how you want to segment it, but make sure it's clear - if you're going to run multiple stages in a segment, each segment's video should probably start with you loading it up to help clarify.

Since you don't have to return to the title screen or anything to change characters, yes, you're absolutely allowed to change characters/styles. Just be aware that depending on how its timed it could affect things.

Yes, you can luck manipulate for the right drops. In fact, if it's segmented, you're pretty much going to be expected to.

And as far as timing goes, each stage has an individual timer - which you can see as you play... but yeah, there is the issue of having to go back to check them. This actually means one of two things:
1. You go back and look at the stage immediately after each stage to view the time, or
2. you ignore it, and the timing becomes the total timing of gameplay - which means it will include your time spent in menus, changing characters, etc., so you'll have to pay attention to that.

I'm not entirely sure which of these - although I believe the original runner was intending to go the latter method.

Segments: Yes.  It's up to you exactly how you want to segment it, but make sure it's clear - if you're going to run multiple stages in a segment, each segment's video should probably start with you loading it up to help clarify.

Since you don't have to return to the title screen or anything to change characters, yes, you're absolutely allowed to change characters/styles.  Just be aware that depending on how its timed it [i]could[/i] affect things.

Yes, you can luck manipulate for the right drops.  In fact, if it's segmented, you're pretty much going to be expected to.

And as far as timing goes, each stage has an individual timer - which you can see as you play... but yeah, there is the issue of having to go back to check them.  This actually means one of two things:
1. You go back and look at the stage immediately after each stage to view the time, or
2. you ignore it, and the timing becomes the [i]total[/i] timing of gameplay - which means it will include your time spent in menus, changing characters, etc., so you'll have to pay attention to that.

I'm not entirely sure which of these - although I believe the original runner was intending to go the latter method.

Flying Fox

2011-06-08 11:10:32 pm

Quote from Garlyle:

Segments: Yes. It's up to you exactly how you want to segment it, but make sure it's clear - if you're going to run multiple stages in a segment, each segment's video should probably start with you loading it up to help clarify.

Since you don't have to return to the title screen or anything to change characters, yes, you're absolutely allowed to change characters/styles. Just be aware that depending on how its timed it could affect things.

Yes, you can luck manipulate for the right drops. In fact, if it's segmented, you're pretty much going to be expected to.

And as far as timing goes, each stage has an individual timer - which you can see as you play... but yeah, there is the issue of having to go back to check them. This actually means one of two things:
1. You go back and look at the stage immediately after each stage to view the time, or
2. you ignore it, and the timing becomes the total timing of gameplay - which means it will include your time spent in menus, changing characters, etc., so you'll have to pay attention to that.

I'm not entirely sure which of these - although I believe the original runner was intending to go the latter method.

Sounds all good so far. As for the timing I’d rather go for number one, since that was the one I wanted to go for anyway. Would I have to show the time straight after I finished the mission or do I show them all at the end in a separate segment?

The former would just be me waiting for the game to be saved and then going back into the mission to show the time for like 3 seconds maybe, then exiting the mission and going back to the mission select screen. If I don’t do it that way and instead restart the mission to show the time, I would have to play the mission again until the game is saved. Also just restarting the mission after I finished it is probably not a good idea, since at the end I get ranked by stars and followers. These stars increase my proficiency level on whatever style I’m on. I did this so I could get a 100% file faster and compete at TSC to get good stats. By restarting the mission all the time and getting these stars and followers, would end up in me getting to the next level of proficiency on whatever style I’m on too early. To be that would seem like cheating >_>

The latter may seem easier for me to do, but I don’t mind which way I do it. As long I know which way is the correct way of doing it.

[quote="Garlyle"]Segments: Yes.  It's up to you exactly how you want to segment it, but make sure it's clear - if you're going to run multiple stages in a segment, each segment's video should probably start with you loading it up to help clarify.

Since you don't have to return to the title screen or anything to change characters, yes, you're absolutely allowed to change characters/styles.  Just be aware that depending on how its timed it [i]could[/i] affect things.

Yes, you can luck manipulate for the right drops.  In fact, if it's segmented, you're pretty much going to be expected to.

And as far as timing goes, each stage has an individual timer - which you can see as you play... but yeah, there is the issue of having to go back to check them.  This actually means one of two things:
1. You go back and look at the stage immediately after each stage to view the time, or
2. you ignore it, and the timing becomes the [i]total[/i] timing of gameplay - which means it will include your time spent in menus, changing characters, etc., so you'll have to pay attention to that.

I'm not entirely sure which of these - although I believe the original runner was intending to go the latter method.[/quote]

Sounds all good so far. As for the timing I’d rather go for number one, since that was the one I wanted to go for anyway. Would I have to show the time straight after I finished the mission or do I show them all at the end in a separate segment?

The former would just be me waiting for the game to be saved and then going back into the mission to show the time for like 3 seconds maybe, then exiting the mission and going back to the mission select screen. If I don’t do it that way and instead restart the mission to show the time, I would have to play the mission again until the game is saved. Also just restarting the mission after I finished it is probably not a good idea, since at the end I get ranked by stars and followers. These stars increase my proficiency level on whatever style I’m on. I did this so I could get a 100% file faster and compete at TSC to get good stats. By restarting the mission all the time and getting these stars and followers, would end up in me getting to the next level of proficiency on whatever style I’m on too early. To be that would seem like cheating >_>

The latter may seem easier for me to do, but I don’t mind which way I do it. As long I know which way is the correct way of doing it.

Paraxade

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Paraxade: 2011-06-09 06:28:17 pm

2011-06-09 06:27:28 pm

I don't think you'd have to do either of those things for timing, because in SBK there is always a timer visible; the problem is you just don't get the final time displayed, which is only a problem for TSC. This is all going to be recorded so we should be able to just take the last frame that the timer is visible and use that. Either way, I completely disagree with going back into the level to look at the time, that seems like a major waste of time, especially if it's in the middle of the run - if we HAVE to do it like that I think it'd be better to do it at the end of the run (Banjo-Kazooie runs do something similar, though it's less annoying there because you don't have to manually go to every level to see the time). Really though, I see no reason not to use the timer that displays during the level.

For segmenting, for the record - the general consensus around here is that if you're going to do a segmented run, you should take full advantage of segmenting. Use as many segments as necessary to optimize the run. SDA isn't going to consider your run better if you use less segments.

Anyway, good luck with the run.

I don't think you'd have to do either of those things for timing, because in SBK there is always a timer visible; the problem is you just don't get the final time displayed, which is only a problem for TSC. This is all going to be recorded so we should be able to just take the last frame that the timer is visible and use that. Either way, I completely disagree with going back into the level to look at the time, that seems like a major waste of time, especially if it's in the middle of the run - if we HAVE to do it like that I think it'd be better to do it at the end of the run (Banjo-Kazooie runs do something similar, though it's less annoying there because you don't have to manually go to every level to see the time). Really though, I see no reason not to use the timer that displays during the level.

For segmenting, for the record - the general consensus around here is that if you're going to do a segmented run, you should take full advantage of segmenting. Use as many segments as necessary to optimize the run. SDA isn't going to consider your run better if you use less segments.

Anyway, good luck with the run.

mikwuyma

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mikwuyma: 2011-06-10 01:34:22 pm

2011-06-10 01:33:56 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Why would you have to check the time if the game timer tracks time up to the very end?

What paraxade said about segmenting. If you want to use less segments, do a single-segment run.