Solid Snake to be in the new Smash Bros

2006-05-25 06:11:29 pm

dinosaur from the past

We still haven't got any proof for the assertion that they're dropping people.

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*STAR FOX ASSULT RANDOM SPOILERS SINCE PEOPLE PLAY THAT GAME FOR STORY*

Those poor, poor people... god that story sucked. And man I hate it when people randomly "sense" things to move the plot along.

InsipidMuckyWater

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InsipidMuckyWater: 2006-05-25 07:53:05 pm

2006-05-25 07:26:52 pm

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Sorry, I still think Ganondorf is just a clone. And yes, that judgement is made almost entirely from his B moves, but those comprise the distinctive characteristics of each character, anyway.

Besides, his Smash-forward-A move is still the elbow smash for crying out loud; his Smash-upward-A is still the reverse roundhouse or whatever, his Smash-downward-A is still the double kick, his upward-A is still the heel smash, his downward-A is still the sweep kick, and his forward-A is still the regular roundhouse... just like Falcon. He's a complete clone, aside from speed, costume, and power differences. Now, I agree he's the least derivative of all the clones, but that doesn't change the story. As I was saying, I believe, with his reputation and profound character, he will remain in the lineup, but it certainly will not be in virtue of his SSBM move list.

My point was that he needs to be refitted with some original moves, and when such is done, he would no longer be a mere shadow entity but an entirely dinstinguished and worthwhile addition. After all, Ganondorf has a big enough game history that a few unique and memorable moves could easily be extracted.

Falco... eh... I dunno. I really like him, as well, but I'd personally rather have StarWolf or somebody who's distinct and also opposite to Fox, rather than just someone randomly selected out of his four companions (even though he's undeniably the most popular). Of course, if I had my drothers, they'd both appear in the next game.

Yeah, Doc and Pichu are the most likely candidates, but, as Yoshi said, I can't figure how credible the claim is, in the first place. Does anyone here know any Japanese?

And speaking of Sora: Sure, he doesn't have much of a right, but neither does Snake. I think Nintendo is completely abandoning the 1st or 2nd party prerequisite with this title, and this can only be good news for the gamers.

For that matter though, we all know Sora could've easily been running about with Luigi and Yoshi [or some other pair] in a Nintendo themed universe fighting the heartless and in pursuit of an ever-elusive Mario. He could visit Hyrule, he could temporarily enlist the help of Kirby or Samus, and he could fight villains such as King K. Rool and Bowser. A Super Smash RPG, if you will. Of course, none of this has even been suggested as even a possibility by Nintendo or Squeenix, but this is not the point.

I think his "crossroads" types of adventure make perfect sense in the world SSBB, so his inclusion could very well be appropriate.

Sorry, I still think Ganondorf is just a clone.  And yes, that judgement is made almost entirely from his B moves, but those comprise the distinctive characteristics of each character, anyway.

Besides, his Smash-forward-A move is still the elbow smash for crying out loud; his Smash-upward-A is still the reverse roundhouse or whatever, his Smash-downward-A is still the double kick, his upward-A is still the heel smash, his downward-A is still the sweep kick, and his forward-A is still the regular roundhouse... just like Falcon.  He's a [i]complete[/i] clone, aside from speed, costume, and power differences.  Now, I agree he's the [i]least derivative[/i] of all the clones, but that doesn't change the story.  As I was saying, I believe, with his reputation and profound character, he will remain in the lineup, but it certainly will not be in virtue of his SSBM move list.

My point was that he needs to be refitted with some [i]original[/i] moves, and when such is done, he would no longer be a mere shadow entity but an entirely dinstinguished and worthwhile addition.  After all, Ganondorf has a big enough game history that a few unique and memorable moves could easily be extracted.

Falco... eh... I dunno.  I really like him, as well, but I'd personally rather have StarWolf or somebody who's distinct and also opposite to Fox, rather than just someone randomly selected out of his four companions (even though he's undeniably the most popular).  Of course, if I had my drothers, they'd both appear in the next game.

Yeah, Doc and Pichu are the most likely candidates, but, as Yoshi said, I can't figure how credible the claim is, in the first place.  Does anyone here know any Japanese?

And speaking of Sora: Sure, he doesn't have much of a right, but neither does Snake.  I think Nintendo is completely abandoning the 1st or 2nd party prerequisite with this title, and this can only be good news for the gamers.

For that matter though, we all know Sora could've easily been running about with Luigi and Yoshi [or some other pair] in a [i]Nintendo[/i] themed universe fighting the heartless and in pursuit of an ever-elusive Mario.  He could visit Hyrule, he could temporarily enlist the help of Kirby or Samus, and he could fight villains such as King K. Rool and Bowser.  A Super Smash RPG, if you will.  Of course, none of this has even been suggested as even a possibility by Nintendo or Squeenix, but this is not the point.

I think his "crossroads" types of adventure make perfect sense in the world SSBB, so his inclusion could very well be appropriate.

HeroPenguin

2006-05-25 10:01:31 pm

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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My point was that [Ganondorf] needs to be refitted with some original moves, and when such is done, he would no longer be a mere shadow entity but an entirely dinstinguished and worthwhile addition. After all, Ganondorf has a big enough game history that a few unique and memorable moves could easily be extracted.

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And speaking of Sora: Sure, he doesn't have much of a right, but neither does Snake. I think Nintendo is completely abandoning the 1st or 2nd party prerequisite with this title, and this can only be good news for the gamers.

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I think his "crossroads" types of adventure make perfect sense in the world SSBB, so his inclusion could very well be appropriate.

Agreed with practically all of this post, bu these are the bits I want to specifically comment on.

Am I the only person that when considering how Ganondorf could be changed for the next game instantly jumped to his giant sword in Melee, or his twin sabers in Wind Waker, or his trident in EVERY OTHER Zelda game? Make Ganondorf another weapon fighter, and not only will he be unique and powerful, but he'll also be more reflective of his past incarnations (ignoring Ocarina of Time, which to my knowledge is the only game to date where he didn't weild a weapon). As for specials, I think some shoo-ins are his fire bats, his boomerang weapon toss, and his invisibility/teleport trick.

Also, 100% agreed with Sora's justification. He fits in with the character roster, he himself happens to be a dimensional traveller, which could even give him a CANON reason to be in SSB land, he's one of the more popular recent mascots, AND he's appeared on a Nintendo system. The only obstacle is whether Square-Enix would allow him to participate, which as people have said, is actually not terribly unlikely, seeing as Nintendo is already borrowing their number 1 composer. Good times.

I'd love to see Sora in the game, but Geno is my number one at the moment. We shall see.

[quote]My point was that [Ganondorf] needs to be refitted with some [i]original[/i] moves, and when such is done, he would no longer be a mere shadow entity but an entirely dinstinguished and worthwhile addition.  After all, Ganondorf has a big enough game history that a few unique and memorable moves could easily be extracted.

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And speaking of Sora: Sure, he doesn't have much of a right, but neither does Snake.  I think Nintendo is completely abandoning the 1st or 2nd party prerequisite with this title, and this can only be good news for the gamers.

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I think his "crossroads" types of adventure make perfect sense in the world SSBB, so his inclusion could very well be appropriate.  [/quote]

Agreed with practically all of this post, bu these are the bits I want to specifically comment on.

Am I the only person that when considering how Ganondorf could be changed for the next game instantly jumped to his giant sword in Melee, or his twin sabers in Wind Waker, or his trident in EVERY OTHER Zelda game?  Make Ganondorf another weapon fighter, and not only will he be unique and powerful, but he'll also be more reflective of his past incarnations (ignoring Ocarina of Time, which to my knowledge is the only game to date where he didn't weild a weapon).  As for specials, I think some shoo-ins are his fire bats, his boomerang weapon toss, and his invisibility/teleport trick.

Also, 100% agreed with Sora's justification.  He fits in with the character roster, he himself happens to be a dimensional traveller, which could even give him a CANON reason to be in SSB land, he's one of the more popular recent mascots, AND he's appeared on a Nintendo system.  The only obstacle is whether Square-Enix would allow him to participate, which as people have said, is actually not terribly unlikely, seeing as Nintendo is already borrowing their number 1 composer.  Good times.

I'd love to see Sora in the game, but Geno is my number one at the moment.  We shall see.

illuminated

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illuminated: 2006-05-25 11:03:23 pm

2006-05-25 10:59:53 pm

Uh...don't say conon. there's nothing behid SSB at all. just a bunch of Nintendo characters beating each others asses.

But if you must decide a reason:

A) To see who's the toughest in the Nintendo Universe

B) Politics gone wrong.

C) One big ass misunderstanding.

Although i always immagined Link having hard feelings towards Mario for not inviting him to those parties,go-cart races, golf tournaments, tennis matches, and the dance party. (he may have dodged a bullet on that last one).

"What? You invited that dumb cluck Donkey Kong and not me? Whats he got that I don't? At least I never kidnapped your old girlfriend and ran arount town with her! Dammit, thats it! I'm so gonna kick your ass you fat redshirt wearing toilet jockey! And I'm gonna make Peach hold my jacket while I'm doing it!"

HeroPenguin

2006-05-27 05:38:25 am

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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Uh...don't say conon. there's nothing behid SSB at all. just a bunch of Nintendo characters beating each others asses.

Convienient how I said canon, and not conon, isn't it? Grin

In a slightly less smartass train of thought, I wasn't saying it to suggest that Smash had a plot, merely to say that Sora is one of the few who could actually HAVE reason to be there. As it turns out, he makes much more sense than most of the other characters do in the game, logically. Regardless, I still think he fits, all plot aside.

illuminated

2006-05-27 06:08:34 am

Good point. Too bad its just wishful thinking. But...ya never know.

Ritch

2006-05-27 09:00:09 am

I defineately can't wait for this game, especially as it is going to have online capabilities. That has just got to be great! SSB online?! Genius! Grin

VorpalEdge

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VorpalEdge: 2006-05-28 01:10:32 am

2006-05-28 01:10:06 am

welcome to the machine

(ignoring Ocarina of Time, which to my knowledge is the only game to date where he didn't weild a weapon).

Ganon wields two huge yellow long knives in OoT.

So yeah, he should probably wield something in this next incarnation.

HeroPenguin

2006-05-28 04:18:44 am

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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Good point. Too bad its just wishful thinking. But...ya never know.

Snake's in the game, I don't think there's much of anything that is more far fetched than that. Wishful thinking is entirely probable in this stance, unless it's owned by a direct competitor. Which Squeenix entirely is not.

Arrow

2006-05-28 04:34:19 am

Now a hit show on the CW

At the very least, I'm hoping for more Konami characters that have appeared on Nintendo systems, like Simon Belmont and Dracula (SSB needs more villains!). But man oh man... if Capcom, Sega, or Squenix teamed up on this...

illuminated

2006-05-28 04:35:38 am

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Snake's in the game, I don't think there's much of anything that is more far fetched than that. Wishful thinking is entirely probable in this stance, unless it's owned by a direct competitor. Which Squeenix entirely is not.

Ok. But one question...Who invented Sora? Was it sqeenix, or Disney? The answer to would determin how easily they could get the character.

Now, how come nobody thought of Disney Characters? That could be just as possible. How embarrasing would it be to get your ass kicked by Mickey? I don't think I could ever show my face around after that...

DK64_MASTER

2006-05-28 05:52:44 am

Disney's copyright laws are insane.

For example, it's forbidden for public elementary school teachers to show their students Disney movies, regardless if you purchased the movie yourself.

I'll do better than that:

Technically it's forbidden for a student to draw Mickey Mouse without written consent from Disney.

How do I know this? My mom is an elementary school teacher.

illuminated

2006-05-28 06:00:02 am

Back in 7th and 8th grade I drew insane amounts of pictures of Sonic & Knuckles. Got away with it though.

I wonder what will happen to all those people who have tatoos of Tinkerbell on them. Espeacially the ones where she's flipping off or saying F**k You?

Do they send agents?

HeroPenguin

2006-05-28 06:22:48 am

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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Ok. But one question...Who invented Sora? Was it sqeenix, or Disney? The answer to would determin how easily they could get the character.

Now, how come nobody thought of Disney Characters? That could be just as possible. How embarrasing would it be to get your ass kicked by Mickey? I don't think I could ever show my face around after that...

Fairly certain that Sora is the sole property of Squeenix. As for Mickey... have you seen Kingdom Hearts II? Mickey's a PIMP. I'd be scared out of my wits if I had to fight Mickey. I'd be amazed if I survived. Let alone won.

DK64_MASTER

2006-05-28 06:58:24 am

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Back in 7th and 8th grade I drew insane amounts of pictures of Sonic & Knuckles. Got away with it though.

Sonic is Disney?

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I wonder what will happen to all those people who have tatoos of Tinkerbell on them. Espeacially the ones where she's flipping off or saying F**k You?

Do they send agents?

I think it's an "out of sight, out of mind" thing. But then I'm sure you knew that.

illuminated

2006-05-28 07:11:42 am

No Sonic's not Disney but...meh, never mind that.

But I don't know about the "outta sight" thing. Don't underestimate the power of peoples (or Disney's), greed and stupidity. Not to mention the rediculous things people sue for these days.

Anyway...who needs Sora (that doesn't even sound like a boys name to me anyway).

rock1644

2006-05-28 07:17:00 am

yes, a man carrying a gimp

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Do they send agents?

Yeah, they're called D-Men. Cheesy

HeroPenguin

2006-05-28 09:02:48 am

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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Anyway...who needs Sora (that doesn't even sound like a boys name to me anyway).

That was an unecessarily low shot. Picking on the poor kid's name. We're talking about a game for the Nintendo Wii, and you're concerned about a name that sounds slightly effeminate.

Right.

Regardless, nobody NEEDS Sora, but my he'd be nice to have. He beats people up with a giant key, magic, and crazy anime-induced gravity and realism defying attacks. He pals around with Mickey (who is a PIMP) and travels the multiverse in his ship made out of gummis and destroys creatures that are the result of all those who have been consumed by darkness. Yeah, Sora's earned his stripes, and he has definite cool factor once you look at him objectively.

Girl's name or not.

illuminated

2006-05-28 04:30:56 pm

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That was an unecessarily low shot. Picking on the poor kid's name. We're talking about a game for the Nintendo Wii, and you're concerned about a name that sounds slightly effeminate.

Ok, so I take that back. However, I do think Sora's another pathetic grasp at one of those "oh look at me, I'm a tortured soul and I fight to blah blah blah, whatever..." I get the whole power of friendship thing they got goin' on here, but do they have to be so damn depressing?

Anyway, I hope that by some miricle or alternate universe that they do put Micky in SSBB, just so I can kick the crap out of that high pitched big eared cheese addict.

I have no idea where that came from..

HeroPenguin

2006-05-28 11:15:56 pm

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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Ok, so I take that back. However, I do think Sora's another pathetic grasp at one of those "oh look at me, I'm a tortured soul and I fight to blah blah blah, whatever..." I get the whole power of friendship thing they got goin' on here, but do they have to be so damn depressing?

Anyway, I hope that by some miricle or alternate universe that they do put Micky in SSBB, just so I can kick the crap out of that high pitched big eared cheese addict.

I have no idea where that came from..

I don't know what you're talking about, Sora's actually a rather determined optimist. The only times he gets depressed are when he find out that his best friends are either comatose, missing, or bent on his own destruction. All perfectly reasonable things to be upset about.

As for Mickey, when's the last time you've seen him eat cheese?

Chew on that for a while.

illuminated

2006-05-29 04:19:17 am

Actually, my last post is really a desperate attempt at a clever whitisism. As you can see, I failed horribly.

HeroPenguin

2006-05-29 04:31:42 am

Rock on, Earthbound. Rock on.

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Actually, my last post is really a desperate attempt at a clever whitisism. As you can see, I failed horribly.

>) One more for my chart. LOGIC PREVAILS OVER ALL! Grin

illuminated

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illuminated: 2006-05-29 04:54:06 am

2006-05-29 04:53:50 am

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LOGIC PREVAILS OVER ALL! Grin

Not where I work.

I was always a Bugs Bunny fan myself (when he was cool, not whatever incarnation they have him in now). Immagine putting him in the game. Now that would be crazy...and rediculous.

DK64_MASTER

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DK64_MASTER: 2006-05-29 05:10:45 am

2006-05-29 05:10:19 am

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Not where I work.

I was always a Bugs Bunny fan myself (when he was cool, not whatever incarnation they have him in now). Immagine putting him in the game. Now that would be crazy...and rediculous.

Ridiculous.

We could also have Elmer Fudd, Yosemite Sam, Yakko, Wakko, and Dot, Pinky, and of course Brain

You know if they have Marvel Vs Capcom, they could have Warner Bros Vs. Disney.

That would be insane.

illuminated

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illuminated: 2006-05-29 06:01:42 am

2006-05-29 06:01:24 am

Brain would kick ass. he would have that exo suit of his and throw a flaiming Pinky out like a projectile. Wakko would pull various objects out of his hat, and Fudd could blast the crap outta people with his double barrel shotgun.

I can see it now: "Looney Toons Smash Attack: The Ultimate Showdown of Wackiness". I'd buy it.