[SNES] The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

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2009-09-22 09:16:04 am

The ZSR leaderboards can be found here:

http://zeldaspeedruns.com/leaderboards/alttp

Also worth noting is that the Japanese community leaderboards can be found here:

http://www40.atwiki.jp/niconamarta/pages/36.html

The current world record for Any, No OoB, No S+Q (which is the most run/raced category) is 1:24:42 by Kryssstal using SRL timing and can be found here:

http://www.twitch.tv/kryssstal/c/2413337

If you are interested in speedrunning A Link to the Past then there are various resources available. Perhaps most useful is Kryssstal's notesmash, found here:

http://www.notesmash.org/krystal/alttp/

There are weekly Any%, No OoB, No S+Q races on SRL which take place Sunday at 3PM EST. All skill levels are welcome.

If you're interested in speedrunning or getting involved with the community, come join the IRC channel #alttp on the SRL server [irc.speedrunslive.com].

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Enhasa

2009-09-22 12:37:19 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Sweet, I didn't know you'd beaten Rodrigo. I thought his time was a lot better because TSA used to always complain about him and his strat hoarding and how that made it "impossible" to beat him. Do you know which Zelda games TG still has a better time than SDA?

This seems like it would be a nice game to run for fun, but it's kinda long. Maybe one day I'll go for it though.

Wak

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Wak

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Wak: 2009-09-22 02:59:20 pm

2009-09-22 01:29:16 pm

Quote from Enhasa:

Sweet, I didn't know you'd beaten Rodrigo. I thought his time was a lot better because TSA used to always complain about him and his strat hoarding and how that made it "impossible" to beat him. Do you know which Zelda games TG still has a better time than SDA?

This seems like it would be a nice game to run for fun, but it's kinda long. Maybe one day I'll go for it though.

I also complained about Rodrigo's final time and I also think Rodrigo cheated, because his time have been made back in what? 2005? Since then a LOT of small improvement have been discovered by people, mostly by Tompa, but whatever XD.

Rodrigo's time, seriously, is basically TSA's route without mistake, or with save warps. We can't know, we have no video =|.

Emptyeye

2009-09-23 06:09:53 am

Talk to the Hand

It's not totally impossible, though.

Back in, I dunno, 2004 or so, TSA, Rodrigo, and maybe a few other people were heavily involved in competition in the original LoZ over at TG. At the time, the record was, I think, 35:50 (Which greatly amused me; for awhile, I had TSA's "Sub 36 minutes on this game is not possible in our lifetime" in my sig here.), and it was generally accepted that maybe 35:00 was the absolute best a human can do on it.

Tom Votava, who had not been one of the competitors on the title to that point, came out of nowhere (At least relative to LoZ; he was pretty well known around TG for various records both score and speed-related) with a 34:05, which absolutely destroyed what everyone, including TSA and Rodrigo (Both actually tried to call BS on the time if I remember right, with TSA in particular going "No, you don't understand. I've run an AI on this game, that time is not possible."), had thought could be done with it. I should point out that this is when everyone was "strat hoarding" as it were...it was only the threat of "Oh hey guys there's this newcomer to the competition who's absolutely obliterated all your best efforts to this point" that made TSA finally start opening up, actually.

So I guess my point is that, despite however it looks to us here, it's very possible that Rodrigo is legit, and an incredible time is not, by itself, evidence of cheating.

It's not totally impossible, though.

Back in, I dunno, 2004 or so, TSA, Rodrigo, and maybe a few other people were heavily involved in competition in the original LoZ over at TG. At the time, the record was, I think, 35:50 (Which greatly amused me; for awhile, I had TSA's "Sub 36 minutes on this game is not possible in our lifetime" in my sig here.), and it was generally accepted that maybe 35:00 was the absolute best a human can do on it.

Tom Votava, who had [b]not[/b] been one of the competitors on the title to that point, came out of nowhere (At least relative to LoZ; he was pretty well known around TG for various records both score and speed-related) with a 34:05, which absolutely [b]destroyed[/b] what everyone, including TSA and Rodrigo (Both actually tried to call BS on the time if I remember right, with TSA in particular going "No, you don't understand. I've run an AI on this game, [i]that time is not possible[/i]."), had thought could be done with it. I should point out that this is when everyone was "strat hoarding" as it were...it was only the threat of "Oh hey guys there's this newcomer to the competition who's absolutely obliterated all your best efforts to this point" that made TSA finally start opening up, actually.

So I guess my point is that, despite however it looks to us here, it's very possible that Rodrigo is legit, and an incredible time is not, by itself, evidence of cheating.

Puntja

2009-09-23 07:00:10 am

i did a 100 % run on emulator (english ntsc) when your run was released.. it was something like 2:07

Wak

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2009-09-23 09:41:47 am

Quote from Emptyeye:

It's not totally impossible, though.

Back in, I dunno, 2004 or so, TSA, Rodrigo, and maybe a few other people were heavily involved in competition in the original LoZ over at TG. At the time, the record was, I think, 35:50 (Which greatly amused me; for awhile, I had TSA's "Sub 36 minutes on this game is not possible in our lifetime" in my sig here.), and it was generally accepted that maybe 35:00 was the absolute best a human can do on it.

Tom Votava, who had not been one of the competitors on the title to that point, came out of nowhere (At least relative to LoZ; he was pretty well known around TG for various records both score and speed-related) with a 34:05, which absolutely destroyed what everyone, including TSA and Rodrigo (Both actually tried to call BS on the time if I remember right, with TSA in particular going "No, you don't understand. I've run an AI on this game, that time is not possible."), had thought could be done with it. I should point out that this is when everyone was "strat hoarding" as it were...it was only the threat of "Oh hey guys there's this newcomer to the competition who's absolutely obliterated all your best efforts to this point" that made TSA finally start opening up, actually.

So I guess my point is that, despite however it looks to us here, it's very possible that Rodrigo is legit, and an incredible time is not, by itself, evidence of cheating.

Sure incredible times do not absolutely mean cheated, but you can also look at his time for Single-Segmenting 4 sword adventure, a very linear game. We're not talking about a regular wild zelda game, or any Metroid game that can be broken to the bone or anything, we're talking about a stage-by-stage game. He got 3hrs04 with unskippable speech (something you avoid when you've done the game once) while the I-L from SDA has a total of 3hrs02, not including endless owl and maidens speech, or time spent on level select screen. That is more than 5 mins lost only because of single-segment.

If you look around, even games with individual tables totalling 20 mins like megaman 9 doesn't have a SS that close. And rodrigo claims a Single-Segment run of 9 times the lenght of 20 mins, 184 minutes, at 99% of the speed of 4 players that competed for the I-L WR table. And his 184 mins, as I said, includes not only unavoidable owl / maidens speech, also the time spent in the level select screen...

[quote="Emptyeye"]
It's not totally impossible, though.

Back in, I dunno, 2004 or so, TSA, Rodrigo, and maybe a few other people were heavily involved in competition in the original LoZ over at TG. At the time, the record was, I think, 35:50 (Which greatly amused me; for awhile, I had TSA's "Sub 36 minutes on this game is not possible in our lifetime" in my sig here.), and it was generally accepted that maybe 35:00 was the absolute best a human can do on it.

Tom Votava, who had [b]not[/b] been one of the competitors on the title to that point, came out of nowhere (At least relative to LoZ; he was pretty well known around TG for various records both score and speed-related) with a 34:05, which absolutely [b]destroyed[/b] what everyone, including TSA and Rodrigo (Both actually tried to call BS on the time if I remember right, with TSA in particular going "No, you don't understand. I've run an AI on this game, [i]that time is not possible[/i]."), had thought could be done with it. I should point out that this is when everyone was "strat hoarding" as it were...it was only the threat of "Oh hey guys there's this newcomer to the competition who's absolutely obliterated all your best efforts to this point" that made TSA finally start opening up, actually.

So I guess my point is that, despite however it looks to us here, it's very possible that Rodrigo is legit, and an incredible time is not, by itself, evidence of cheating. 
[/quote]

Sure incredible times do not absolutely mean cheated, but you can also look at his time for Single-Segmenting 4 sword adventure, a very linear game. We're not talking about a regular wild zelda game, or any Metroid game that can be broken to the bone or anything, we're talking about a stage-by-stage game. He got 3hrs04 with unskippable speech (something you avoid when you've done the game once) while the I-L from SDA has a total of 3hrs02, not including endless owl and maidens speech, or time spent on level select screen. That is more than 5 mins lost only because of single-segment.

If you look around, even games with individual tables totalling 20 mins like megaman 9 doesn't have a SS that close. And rodrigo claims a Single-Segment run of 9 times the lenght of 20 mins, 184 minutes, at 99% of the speed of 4 players that competed for the I-L WR table. And his 184 mins, as I said, includes not only unavoidable owl / maidens speech, also the time spent in the level select screen...

Manocheese

2009-09-23 10:29:59 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Whether or not he cheats, I think we can all agree that Rodrigo is minimisexy for not posting videos of his times.

SkratMan

2009-09-23 11:49:09 am

[+--oo] In control since '86

No Rodrigo statements in this post. ...Dammit, I'm wrong already...

I've done a bunch of emulator runs of the game. My best friend, his brother, and I would all start at the same time and see who would do a 100% the fastest.

My best time for a 100% run was 2:12, but I nearly always take a sidetrack to get the net before the Desert Palace. My friend's brother later beat that time by a couple/few minutes some months later. They felt like good runs, back when the official run was around the 2:04 mark. Now... man, the newest run is sick. It put my gameplay to shame. Tongue

Emptyeye

2009-09-23 07:53:50 pm

Talk to the Hand

Back on-topic of the game itself, I want to say that I managed the Mirror Shield skip on my first playthrough somehow. I just couldn't find the thing for some reason (You have to leave and re-enter the dungeon proper, if memory serves, which, despite also having to do that in the Desert Palace in the Light World, was completely beyond my feeble brain at the time)! I don't even remember it being a super-secret thing, honestly, since I kept trying to get through the game with progressively less equipment at some point, the red shield being among them.

Wak

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2009-09-24 06:33:48 am

Quote from Emptyeye:

Back on-topic of the game itself, I want to say that I managed the Mirror Shield skip on my first playthrough somehow. I just couldn't find the thing for some reason (You have to leave and re-enter the dungeon proper, if memory serves, which, despite also having to do that in the Desert Palace in the Light World, was completely beyond my feeble brain at the time)! I don't even remember it being a super-secret thing, honestly, since I kept trying to get through the game with progressively less equipment at some point, the red shield being among them.

Yeah, and can you believe teleporting trough light world once outside of Turtle's rock gets you the only heart piece I could never find as a kid? When I discovered it with the help of internet, I was just telling myself how unfair was the difficulty to find it.

Madzombie

2009-09-27 05:06:19 am

pidgeons

I can't remember my exact time as it was over 4 years ago now but I once got a 2:02:xx for single segment 100%. I didn't submit it because I died on Ganon at 1:59:30ish with 1 hit left to go Cry

Enhasa

2009-09-27 10:01:53 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Ouch.

Then again, you'll always have that awe-inspiring Terranigma run. Kiss

Baron Dante

2009-10-01 12:36:10 am

It's a BIG HEAD!

Took a run without glitches for first time in years... (Would a glitchy run that gets all pendants and crystals qualify as a run, to make it faster?) And got a time of 2:24... I'm gonna try again for a bit. Also been thinking of a low % run. The essentials would be:

Master Sword
Bow and Arrows (Regular only)
Both Gloves
Moon Pearl
Hammer
Hookshot
Fire/Ice Rod
Cane of Somaria
Flute

I'm quite sure those are all...

Did a Low % run too, but no time for it yet Tongue

Wak

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2009-10-01 01:37:40 pm

Quote from me in the low% and 100% definition:

"The only differences possible from low% and the current any% run is:

-not taking the heart in the church
-not taking the boomerang
-not getting the golden sword (you need the red sword)
-not getting the silver arrow

the 2 first does not affect anything really, maybe a couple of seconds, while the 2 others affects the very end (death mountain would take 2 more minutes or so, ganon would take a minute longer). This is why I don't think it's worth making such a run."

Everything else is needed at least once in the game.

Emptyeye

2009-10-01 03:13:57 pm

Talk to the Hand

Don't you not even need the Red Sword, strictly speaking? I thought with just the Master Sword, you could spin attack and damage Ganon. Granted, this probably isn't feasible for a speedrun, but it's possible.

Wak

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2009-10-01 04:53:39 pm

Quote from Emptyeye:

Don't you not even need the Red Sword, strictly speaking? I thought with just the Master Sword, you could spin attack and damage Ganon. Granted, this probably isn't feasible for a speedrun, but it's possible.

golden sword hits ganon normally, you need a spin attack with the red one, master sword does not hit.

Baron Dante

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Baron Dante: 2009-10-05 02:58:02 am

2009-10-01 11:26:33 pm

It's a BIG HEAD!

Red and Gold hits normally, Master needs spin, checked. Also, thanks to a glitch, Ganon can be defeated without Silver Arrows, but requires near frame exact work with the spin attacks, and needs like 30 more hits.

Also, you need atleast one of the medallions, quake to get to Turtle Rock...

Tompa

2009-10-08 12:15:12 pm

You can indeed kill him with only the Master Sword.
Ganon has 255 HP, when his HP goes down to like 210, he starts making bats appear and at around 160 he'll start breaking the ground.

Each spinattack with the MS does 4 damage, 24 spinattacks are required for the first two phases, including four when the ground is going to break. After the ground has been broken, you'll need another 24 hits to kill him. These hits can only be done when both torches are lit and you'll only be able to do two hits at a time. The torches are lit for 520 frames (8 seconds, 40 frames), if you lit the left torch before the right one goes out, it won't go out at alln but you have to repeat this everytime. You got 14 frames to lit the left one before the right goes out.

If done perfectly, you'll need 12 rounds during the last phase and a minimum of 12 times to use the lamp. With full magic you can use the lamp 32 times and the rod 8 times.

The harder part would be to survive. Ganon will kill you in two hits if you have full health, bats and fork four hits. But well, it's doable at least.

Anyway... low% is the list that Wak posted before, but changing the sword to the Master Sword only.

Baron: You'll also need the Ether medallion to get inside Misery Mire.

You can indeed kill him with only the Master Sword.
Ganon has 255 HP, when his HP goes down to like 210, he starts making bats appear and at around 160 he'll start breaking the ground.

Each spinattack with the MS does 4 damage, 24 spinattacks are required for the first two phases, including four when the ground is going to break. After the ground has been broken, you'll need another 24 hits to kill him. These hits can only be done when both torches are lit and you'll only be able to do two hits at a time. The torches are lit for 520 frames (8 seconds, 40 frames), if you lit the left torch before the right one goes out, it won't go out at alln but you have to repeat this everytime. You got 14 frames to lit the left one before the right goes out.

If done perfectly, you'll need 12 rounds during the last phase and a minimum of 12 times to use the lamp. With full magic you can use the lamp 32 times and the rod 8 times.

The harder part would be to survive. Ganon will kill you in two hits if you have full health, bats and fork four hits. But well, it's doable at least.

Anyway... low% is the list that Wak posted before, but changing the sword to the Master Sword only.

Baron: You'll also need the Ether medallion to get inside Misery Mire.

Baron Dante

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Baron Dante: 2009-10-09 04:38:22 am

2009-10-09 02:56:32 am

It's a BIG HEAD!

Leaving most of required items out, also ether medallion can be skipped: You must glitch yourself inside though, but it's completable. Only thing I'm having problems with now, is the fact Vitreous kills me in 2 shots, and when I beat him, I get the Ether Medallion instead of a Crystal(!) and can't warp out cause can't open menu after killing him, but I suppose if I has the mirror equipped. But since leaving stuff not collected, it'd require glitching anyways, but I suppose alot of glitching while collecting all pendants and crystals would be possible... I'm personally doing a 1st phase game (Trying to complete the game before saving Zelda from Hyrule Castle). Only need the Titan's Mitt to do it, BUT the game can be completed witout any of the Medallions, and I even think without fire or Ice Rod... I have to search the dungeon pairing glitch list to see what is really needed.

Update:

- Eastern Palace (LW1) - Desert Palace (LW2)
- Hyrule Castle (second part) - Watergate Dungeon (DW2)
- Dark Palace (DW1) - Misery Mire (DW6)
- Skull Woods (DW3) - Ice Palace (DW5)
- Tower of Hera (LW3) - Blind's Hideout (DW4)
- Turtle Rock (DW7) - Ganon's Tower

We only have to enter either of each of these, a total of six places. To get both LW1 and LW2 pendants, we'd have to complete either one (In this case, LW1) normally, then go back and glitch to the Sewers Door, and go back to LW1 and go to the boss room to get the other pendant. Of course, LW2 can be completed by other means.

For a real small run, this would then able us to skip DW2, DW5, DW4 and DW7, which of DW7 is impossible without fire and ice rods, fire rod or bombos for DW5, DW2 requires hookshot and flippers, and blind's hideout the first mittens. All are then skippable. Also, hammer and bow are required for DW1, because you can't get legitimately to the DW6 without ether, which can either be gotten normally, or by completing any dungeon from HC by glitching (faster), also needs mittens, which requires gloves, and the shovel to get flute.

List of required stuff:
Lvl1 sword/Shield
Bow
Moon pearl (might be skippable)
Hammer
Lamp
Lvl2 sword
Magic Mirror

This is pretty much this then Tongue

Leaving most of required items out, also ether medallion can be skipped: You must glitch yourself inside though, but it's completable. Only thing I'm having problems with now, is the fact Vitreous kills me in 2 shots, and when I beat him, I get the Ether Medallion instead of a Crystal(!) and can't warp out cause can't open menu after killing him, but I suppose if I has the mirror equipped. But since leaving stuff not collected, it'd require glitching anyways, but I suppose alot of glitching while collecting all pendants and crystals would be possible... I'm personally doing a 1st phase game (Trying to complete the game before saving Zelda from Hyrule Castle). Only need the Titan's Mitt to do it, BUT the game can be completed witout any of the Medallions, and I even think without fire or Ice Rod... I have to search the dungeon pairing glitch list to see what is really needed.

Update:

- Eastern Palace (LW1)        - Desert Palace (LW2)
- Hyrule Castle (second part) - Watergate Dungeon (DW2)
- Dark Palace (DW1)           - Misery Mire (DW6)
- Skull Woods (DW3)           - Ice Palace (DW5)
- Tower of Hera (LW3)         - Blind's Hideout (DW4)
- Turtle Rock (DW7)           - Ganon's Tower

We only have to enter either of each of these, a total of six places. To get both LW1 and LW2 pendants, we'd have to complete either one (In this case, LW1) normally, then go back and glitch to the Sewers Door, and go back to LW1 and go to the boss room to get the other pendant. Of course, LW2 can be completed by other means.

For a real small run, this would then able us to skip DW2, DW5, DW4 and DW7, which of DW7 is impossible without fire and ice rods, fire rod or bombos for DW5, DW2 requires hookshot and flippers, and blind's hideout the first mittens. All are then skippable. Also, hammer and bow are required for DW1, because you can't get legitimately to the DW6 without ether, which can either be gotten normally, or by completing any dungeon from HC by glitching (faster), also needs mittens, which requires gloves, and the shovel to get flute.

List of required stuff:
Lvl1 sword/Shield
Bow
Moon pearl (might be skippable)
Hammer
Lamp
Lvl2 sword
Magic Mirror

This is pretty much this then :P

Tompa

2009-10-09 08:08:19 am

If you shall do a glitched run, you'll only need to get the sword and the shield and beat the game in less than five minutes... That's no fun.

Frezy_man

2009-10-10 09:20:15 am

bläää

If you could finish the game that way that fast without cheating then it would be sweet.

Baron Dante

2009-10-19 03:58:02 am

It's a BIG HEAD!

The game is possible to be completed in ^3 mins that way... But like you said, that's no fun, and it requires extreme amount of glitching without running value anyways. Collecting all pendants and crystals would have more value.

Wak

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2009-10-19 02:27:18 pm

Quote from Baron Dante:

The game is possible to be completed in ^3 mins that way... But like you said, that's no fun, and it requires extreme amount of glitching without running value anyways. Collecting all pendants and crystals would have more value.

you just need to be able to press 3 directions at once.

Tompa

2009-10-19 03:24:04 pm

You just need to save with Zelda when jumping down a ledge and then go through the walls to the end...

Baron Dante

2009-10-20 03:11:47 am

It's a BIG HEAD!

3 dirs is very difficult on a real SNES. And by the way, it's just as fast with 2 dirs. Going to Zelda takes too long Tongue

Also, the glitch skips the whole game, so theres no sense using it, unless you actually use it to collect all pendants and crystals in a low% run.