Shake Shake! (Mischief Makers

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Veysey: 2006-08-19 01:59:45 am

2006-08-19 01:44:29 am

Outclassed!

maybe I'll try it soon... but not just yet... I am determined to get 12 balls in the Day Of :-/ I'll likely add another 12 hours to my timer before that happens Sad

Oh, and thanks for the tips... but i watched your video frame by frame and seen everything you did >.<

Veysey

2006-08-19 04:24:39 pm

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Counerattack -- 27.18

I believe this level is maxed like bees the one... can anyone help verify?

Strat:
Last bomb is the only bomb that matters (7th bomb)... make sure you get a full charge out of the beam Marzen shoots, you'll need it for the strat.... after the 6th bomb, move the bird so his tail feathers are right by Marzens Mechs mouth (not on) then just tap B (so you grab an immediately drop the bomb). If you did enough damage with the Marzen Beam, and your close enough for the bomb to drop right back on marzen, then he pops...

checked with an emu... I cant get below 27.18 on either console or emu...

let me know if anyone manages 27.18 or better.... maybe we have a second level thats maxed (how exciting)

Veysey

2006-08-20 06:15:46 am

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4 seconds left

answered 13 questions in mathfun
got 12 balls in day of
improved missile surf
improved clanball lift
improved hurdle
improved cat-astrophe

if anyone thought any of the previous videos were sloppy... let me know... obviously I'll be able to knock my time at least a little lower than 34 minutes, put I think it is a good place to stop for now and get ready for any kind of submission... so I would like to clean up any videos other experienced players feel arent quite SDA material (and obviously those first 5-6 levels needed to be redone because of the compression issues Strangeness had address earlier, so I will be trying to at least get around Reiks time on clanball land)

Reik

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Reik: 2006-08-20 03:34:18 pm

2006-08-20 03:31:49 pm

I'll think about trying to max out Counterattack today.

Cape and I were playing MM for hours yesterday revising strats and discovering new tricks. We broke 3 of your records, Veysey. (I broke one, Cape broke two.)

I got sub-25 on 3 Clancer kids. I'll make a vid to show you the strat. I'll let Cape tell you which levels he pwned because he was so excited about it. If you can mimic his time for one of the levels, you are easily going to drop below 34 minutes. It's a crazy time. Smiley

Veysey

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Veysey: 2006-08-20 08:09:35 pm

2006-08-20 04:16:34 pm

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Thats awesome you guys ^_^

as for me... like you seen, I was just messing around... but at the end of the night... are you ready for this

1-08 39.77....

for those of you unaware.. this is also the TAS time... it might be able to go lower... but i guess only time will tell Tongue

edit: Cape better hurry up... you got me all excited but he hasnt been around to spread the joy >.<

VorpalEdge

2006-08-20 06:12:13 pm

welcome to the machine

Sigh, I want this run so badly.

Keep it coming, guys.

Veysey

2006-08-21 12:56:53 am

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well, looks like my fingers just arent fast enough for clanball land... i've always had a hard time with that level... so maybe someday i'll bring my time under 20 seconds and leave it at that...

currently at 34:00.30...

TheCape

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TheCape: 2006-08-21 01:37:58 am

2006-08-21 01:15:42 am

Cape does not allow user to fly

I beat Magma Rafts (12.30). I think I can sub 12 it.

I also beat Cerberus Alpha in (*drumroll*) 42 seconds!

I could only do the 42 once (working on figuring it out now) but I can do 48s consistantly.

Veysey

2006-08-21 01:36:30 am

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I cant shake shake the missiles fast enough... Sad

I tried, but i couldnt, hahahha

TheCape

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TheCape: 2006-08-21 01:39:13 am

2006-08-21 01:38:25 am

Cape does not allow user to fly

Quote:

I cant shake shake the missiles fast enough... Sad

I tried, but i couldnt, hahahha

So, uh, yea.

Pwned >.>

I will make a vid of the 48, and if I can ever pull it off again, the 42 as well.

Reik

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Reik: 2006-08-21 03:13:46 am

2006-08-21 01:50:56 am

42 on Cerberus was weird. Cape somehow got Lunar to skip shooting the big charge beam. I'm not sure, but I think he had to hit him with all fully charged missiles (can't have the missiles hit anything on the way) and have the 3rd missile hit Lunar before the beam animation starts. This is just my suspicion though.

In other news, I got sub-23 on 3 Clancer Kids, but didn't record it. I'll try again soon. I also got 12.47 on Magma Rafts, and think that I can get sub-12. Smiley

And wow @ matching the TAS time, Veysey. Frame perfect? Shocked

EDIT: GAAAAHHHHH!!!! I JUST GOT 12.05 ON MAGMA RAFTS!! SO CLOSE TO SUB-12!!

Veysey

2006-08-21 03:31:36 am

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well 34:00.08... hahahaha... i am done for now... try agian tomorrow

Reik

2006-08-21 06:14:29 pm

*stumbles in, panting and wheezing*

Ladies and gentlemen... I give you... 3 Clancer Kids...

*cough*

...Sub... 22!!!

*collapses*

x_X

Veysey

2006-08-21 06:51:45 pm

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very very nice... before you were talking about sub 24 i had already refined my old path to 23.55... but it wont go much lower... the spring ball is genius! so currently my clanball 3 clancer and cerberus alpha runs are completely unacceptable... oh well... clanball will be years before i can get it though >.<

Reik

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Reik: 2006-08-21 07:49:09 pm

2006-08-21 07:09:16 pm

You can thank Cape for the spring strat. I refined the route in the beginning though. Smiley

Sub-22 in this level is MUCH harder than my strat for Clanball Land, IMO. Veysey, what exactly are you having trouble with in Clanball Land? Maybe I can help.

I think I'll try to max out Counterattack now.

EDIT: Ooh... Veysey your description of the level is wrong. The 5th Clanball also matters. If you don't hit him with it then he never starts the Beam.

EDIT2: Hrm... maybe not. I thought I was grabbing the 5th quicker but it's not improving my time. I can't get lower than 27.27. I've managed to get that time twice now.

EDIT3: Lol. 27.25

Veysey

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Veysey: 2006-08-22 02:37:58 am

2006-08-21 10:15:52 pm

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Well Reik... it's likey the reason why I cant really get too good at melee... I cant move my fingers all over the place real fast.... maybe cause i spent too much time playing nes when I was younger, I dont know... either way, clanball land, my problem is just about anything to do with balls... and in that regard.... sub 20 will likely be my limit... as for sub 22 being harder... well... not for me... i tried your strat a few times... got a feel for it... got 22.4x... if i refine it, sub 22 wont be too bad... and if i could deal with the balls a little quicker, sub 22 would be cake >.< the route ... i am sub 34 now... but want to make sure my runs are decent and at least close to the records but playing it right now just isnt happening as the mother-in-law is visiting and whenever I run a level she feels the need to start a conversation.... when I dont answer, she gets irritated... my wife thinks its halarious... ugh

I gotta say though, that 3 clancer kids run is easy as pie though... sub 25 in a SS should happen every time.. even if you do screw up somewhere

edit in response to counterattack: sorry, forgot to give my two cets worth... if i am not mistaken, the beam starts at a certain time and throwing the bomb before that time just simply means he will use it... not to mention on the emu, i threw every bomb perfect (grabbing and throwing just as they come out) whereas on the console, obviously I dont have quite that much persision... so I only really worried about the last bomb.... but i never specifically tested anything, and it sounds like something worth checking out... I'll play around a bit with it and see if anything doesn't crop up.... not going sub 27 DOES bug me on that level... always has... Tongue

Edit: Phew... Reik, ok, you were kinda right... 3 clancer sub 22 is hard... 22.20 I had no problem getting to... after that... well... I dont think I need to explain... Either way... I was going to stop cause .23 differnce isnt bad, but I really wanted sub 22 >.<... I still stand by my previous statement that the strat is the easiest I've done for this level though... anyway... I did work on clanball land a bit... but I couldnt even come within a second of my time Sad

hahahaha... that level is HARD!!!!

Well Reik... it's likey the reason why I cant really get too good at melee... I cant move my fingers all over the place real fast.... maybe cause i spent too much time playing nes when I was younger, I dont know... either way, clanball land, my problem is just about anything to do with balls... and in that regard.... sub 20 will likely be my limit... as for sub 22 being harder... well... not for me... i tried your strat a few times... got a feel for it... got 22.4x... if i refine it, sub 22 wont be too bad... and if i could deal with the balls a little quicker, sub 22 would be cake >.< the route ... i am sub 34 now... but want to make sure my runs are decent and at least close to the records but playing it right now just isnt happening as the mother-in-law is visiting and whenever I run a level she feels the need to start a conversation.... when I dont answer, she gets irritated... my wife thinks its halarious... ugh

I gotta say though, that 3 clancer kids run is easy as pie though... sub 25 in a SS should happen every time.. even if you do screw up somewhere

edit in response to counterattack: sorry, forgot to give my two cets worth... if i am not mistaken, the beam starts at a certain time and throwing the bomb before that time just simply means he will use it... not to mention on the emu, i threw every bomb perfect (grabbing and throwing just as they come out) whereas on the console, obviously I dont have quite that much persision... so I only really worried about the last bomb.... but i never specifically tested anything, and it sounds like something worth checking out... I'll play around a bit with it and see if anything doesn't crop up.... not going sub 27 DOES bug me on that level... always has... :P

Edit: Phew... Reik, ok, you were kinda right... 3 clancer sub 22 is hard... 22.20 I had no problem getting to... after that... well... I dont think I need to explain... Either way... I was going to stop cause .23 differnce isnt bad, but I really wanted sub 22 >.<... I still stand by my previous statement that the strat is the easiest I've done for this level though... anyway... I did work on clanball land a bit... but I couldnt even come within a second of my time :( hahahaha... that level is HARD!!!!

Reik

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Reik: 2006-08-22 04:29:16 am

2006-08-22 03:51:01 am

I GOT 11.97 ON MAGMA RAFTS!!!!!!!!

My thumbs hurt. T_T

Too bad I didn't tape it. I got tired of taping after around 300 attempts. Roll Eyes

I did get 12.08 on tape though.

Told ya sub-22 on 3 Clancer Kids is hard. Tongue

Everything has to be near perfect, lol. I doubt I'll ever be able to do it again unless a better route or new trick is discovered.

Oh, by the way... congratulations on sub-34 minutes, Veysey! :party:

Veysey

2006-08-22 05:11:51 am

Outclassed!

Thanks

... like I said before... I'm just cleaning up everything now... getting all the runs at least decent... and at least close to the current record... As for Magma Rafts... your thumbs hurt? does that mean you wernt using Capes boost grab method and using ol faithful?... Honestly, the better the boost grab, the worse your height.... did you get that run by doing the 'super spring'? or just quickly getting to the star?

Reik

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Reik: 2006-08-22 05:35:57 am

2006-08-22 05:32:41 am

Both my thumbs hurt about the same just from playing so long.

Once I got to the spring, I used 3 quick CBGs immediately to get over Ms. Hint, 1 CBG above the raft, 4 CBGs, and then immediately switched to 2 sliding BGs for extra height at the end. At least I think that's what I did. >_>

Getting the beginning just right is very important though. Here's what I do:

1. C-boost and jump to just barely land on the left edge of the platform asap.
2. Walk forward as far as you can while still being able to do a slide jump.
3. As soon as you see movement from the clancer above you, slide jump.
4. When you're slightly below him and to the right, C-boost left so that you ram into him and immediately land on the platform.
5. Full slide jump and land on the first pillar.
6. Slide off and sliding thumb BG to the next one.
7. Slide off and hold right to land on the next pillar.
8. Slide off and DON'T hold right to land on the platform and still be able to slide jump.
9. Full slide jump + 1 CBG and grab the spring.
10. *described above*

I hope that helps. It's extremely difficult.

Both my thumbs hurt about the same just from playing so long.

Once I got to the spring, I used 3 quick CBGs immediately to get over Ms. Hint, 1 CBG above the raft, 4 CBGs, and then immediately switched to 2 sliding BGs for extra height at the end. At least I think that's what I did. >_>

Getting the beginning just right is very important though. Here's what I do:

1. C-boost and jump to just barely land on the left edge of the platform asap.
2. Walk forward as far as you can while still being able to do a slide jump.
3. As soon as you see movement from the clancer above you, slide jump.
4. When you're slightly below him and to the right, C-boost left so that you ram into him and immediately land on the platform.
5. Full slide jump and land on the first pillar.
6. Slide off and sliding thumb BG to the next one.
7. Slide off and hold right to land on the next pillar.
8. Slide off and DON'T hold right to land on the platform and still be able to slide jump.
9. Full slide jump + 1 CBG and grab the spring.
10. *described above*

I hope that helps. It's extremely difficult.

Veysey

2006-08-22 05:47:56 am

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hahaha... i usually just slide jump off the first pillar and one boost grab sets me up perfect for the slide jump to the spring ball.... i've gotten good at boost grabbing without the thumb slide, but I cant figure out for the life of me... if i dont slide my thumb in magma rafts, i go straight into the drink... i get one boost off, and the rest just dont ever come :S oh well, hahahaha

Reik

2006-08-22 06:48:12 am

With all of these new tricks... I'm wondering if I can get sub-36 in a SS run. I'm comfortable enough with Magma Rafts that I can get around 15 seconds consistently. If I miss the star, I just C-boost left and BG up to it.

The only other major time saver that might help me is the spring boost in Go Marzen 64. Maybe I can get consistent with it like I did with Magma Rafts. Can you describe it to me, Veysey?

Veysey

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Veysey: 2006-08-22 04:03:16 pm

2006-08-22 04:01:43 pm

Outclassed!

I can only get it like 10% of the time Sad

Its really not easy at all... you need to BG twice, then boost down JUST as you barely pass over the second set of blocks... there may be an easier way... but I havent found it >.< Also, if you move too fast, you dont usually get high enough.... either way, thats how it is ^_^

Sub 36 shouldnt be hard though... hahahaha... If I had another copy of MM, I'd likely try my hand at a SS just to see... but as is, with only 2 files, one being my good file and the other being my wifes, I wount be trying that any time soon ^_^

Reik

2006-08-22 05:35:36 pm

You're right... the BG there is really hard. Forget that.

Anyway, I worked out my times and I think I can get sub-36 in a SS. I'm going to have to nail a lot of strats... but I wouldn't have submitted unless I got everything near-perfect anyway.

Also, I haven't received any help with my capture device or received any official ruling on the run timing from Radix. So... I'm just going to get some tapes and record my run to VHS, using the in-game timer and the method I've always been using for The Day Of.

Reik

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Reik: 2006-08-22 07:38:57 pm

2006-08-22 06:59:17 pm

Figured out how to skip the beam on Cerberus Alpha.

First volley, hit him with one fully charged missile and charge another one.

As soon as the second volley starts, throw the charged missile. Grab the first uncharged missile and chuck it at him. Grab the 2nd missile, fully charge it and hit him with it. Grab the 4th missile and charge it up to hit him when he jumps over you.

EDIT: I just got 43.55 and I even missed a missile.

EDIT2: 42.83

EDIT3: 41.93!!! It's not going to go much lower than that.

Veysey

2006-08-22 08:52:48 pm

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Really nice ^_^ thank you for the info... i'll head there next... right now im working on something you wont believe... not a huge time gap... but something amazing... I can thank the dream I had last night for this one :-[