SGDQ 2014 Game Submissions (note: we're using Google form) [locked]

WHiPCPL

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WHiPCPL: 2014-02-10 05:44:29 pm

2014-02-10 05:44:10 pm

Bahamut is in envy

Quote from romscout:

Spyro 120%: As I stated in the rejection, one of the factors is that Spyro has been at two straight GDQs. If it wasn't for that, the run would've made it past first cut. Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut. For the Spyro games currently on the table, we'd probably either be looking at picking one or making a bid war for which one to race if the runners are up for it. We're not dedicating 2 hours to Spyro in its 3rd straight GDQ appearance when we already have nearly 200 hours to cut, sorry.

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

Next up you say that even if it gets past the first cut it won't make it through the final cut either? I doubt I'm the only one who reads it this way, but it seem to me that you (or whoever works on verifying/cutting games), didn't actually bother to even look up a run, even if that's not the case, you're basically telling the runner that "we don't care." Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but the way you word it, makes it seem like no repsect was shown towards the runner who offered it.

I'm not here to tell you or anyone else what's the right or wrong thing to do. It just seems to me that a little bit of bias went into this. Oh and before you start telling me that the other runs would generate more hype. Judging from the donation comments (and from what I saw in twitch chat), people were pretty hyped over seeing crash bandicoot and spyro at the marathon. Maybe not as much as people are to see the other runs, it just seems like some bias went into some of these decisions.

Cheers.

[quote="romscout"]Spyro 120%: As I stated in the rejection, one of the factors is that Spyro has been at two straight GDQs. If it wasn't for that, the run would've made it past first cut. Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut. For the Spyro games currently on the table, we'd probably either be looking at picking one or making a bid war for which one to race if the runners are up for it. We're not dedicating 2 hours to Spyro in its 3rd straight GDQ appearance when we already have nearly 200 hours to cut, sorry.[/quote]

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

Next up you say that even if it gets past the first cut it won't make it through the final cut either? I doubt I'm the only one who reads it this way, but it seem to me that you (or whoever works on verifying/cutting games), didn't actually bother to even look up a run, even if that's not the case, you're basically telling the runner that "we don't care." Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but the way you word it, makes it seem like no repsect was shown towards the runner who offered it.

I'm not here to tell you or anyone else what's the right or wrong thing to do. It just seems to me that a little bit of bias went into this. Oh and before you start telling me that the other runs would generate more hype. Judging from the donation comments (and from what I saw in twitch chat), people were pretty hyped over seeing crash bandicoot and spyro at the marathon. Maybe not as much as people are to see the other runs, it just seems like some bias went into some of these decisions.

Cheers.

Chiron97

2014-02-10 05:44:38 pm

Terrible at games

Sad to see Anodyne 100% got cut, but I agree with your reasoning, pretty untested waters.
If ShadowDraft runs any% and it becomes a race (and I end up going), I'll be happy to join him.

But looking at the Games List, holy shit this gon be so good i can't wait yes

Blees

2014-02-10 05:54:37 pm

Quote from WHiPCPL:

Quote from romscout:

Spyro 120%: As I stated in the rejection, one of the factors is that Spyro has been at two straight GDQs. If it wasn't for that, the run would've made it past first cut. Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut. For the Spyro games currently on the table, we'd probably either be looking at picking one or making a bid war for which one to race if the runners are up for it. We're not dedicating 2 hours to Spyro in its 3rd straight GDQ appearance when we already have nearly 200 hours to cut, sorry.

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

Next up you say that even if it gets past the first cut it won't make it through the final cut either? I doubt I'm the only one who reads it this way, but it seem to me that you (or whoever works on verifying/cutting games), didn't actually bother to even look up a run, even if that's not the case, you're basically telling the runner that "we don't care." Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but the way you word it, makes it seem like no repsect was shown towards the runner who offered it.

I'm not here to tell you or anyone else what's the right or wrong thing to do. It just seems to me that a little bit of bias went into this. Oh and before you start telling me that the other runs would generate more hype. Judging from the donation comments (and from what I saw in twitch chat), people were pretty hyped over seeing crash bandicoot and spyro at the marathon. Maybe not as much as people are to see the other runs, it just seems like some bias went into some of these decisions.

Cheers.

You're comparing apples and oranges. That's like saying that because you have lunch every day, it should be normal to also have chocolate truffles.

Each of the games you mentioned are fan favorites. They bring in the viewers and the donations consistently, to the point where they have become a staple at the events, much like Awful Games Done Quick or shirtless Trihex. Having an event without a Megaman block, or at least 2 Zelda games, or at least 2 Metroid games would be irregular.

I would think that the guys who organize and run the marathons would have a good handle on the popularity of a game/series. It's why I'm not getting all bent out of shape when my game didn't get accepted. They said that a 20-minute indie PC game with few speed tricks isn't what this event needs, and I'm going to have to live with that.

If their decision, after all this support, is that a 2-hour run of a series that's been around the last 2 marathons is too much to squeeze into an already stuffed week, you might have to learn to accept it. In any case, venting wildly isn't going to change their minds.

(Also, they've been going over hundreds of submissions. I think we should be lucky that they give us reasons for denying them at all.)

[quote="WHiPCPL"][quote="romscout"]Spyro 120%: As I stated in the rejection, one of the factors is that Spyro has been at two straight GDQs. If it wasn't for that, the run would've made it past first cut. Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut. For the Spyro games currently on the table, we'd probably either be looking at picking one or making a bid war for which one to race if the runners are up for it. We're not dedicating 2 hours to Spyro in its 3rd straight GDQ appearance when we already have nearly 200 hours to cut, sorry.[/quote]

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

Next up you say that even if it gets past the first cut it won't make it through the final cut either? I doubt I'm the only one who reads it this way, but it seem to me that you (or whoever works on verifying/cutting games), didn't actually bother to even look up a run, even if that's not the case, you're basically telling the runner that "we don't care." Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but the way you word it, makes it seem like no repsect was shown towards the runner who offered it.

I'm not here to tell you or anyone else what's the right or wrong thing to do. It just seems to me that a little bit of bias went into this. Oh and before you start telling me that the other runs would generate more hype. Judging from the donation comments (and from what I saw in twitch chat), people were pretty hyped over seeing crash bandicoot and spyro at the marathon. Maybe not as much as people are to see the other runs, it just seems like some bias went into some of these decisions.

Cheers.
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You're comparing apples and oranges.  That's like saying that because you have lunch every day, it should be normal to also have chocolate truffles.

Each of the games you mentioned are fan favorites.  They bring in the viewers and the donations consistently, to the point where they have become a staple at the events, much like Awful Games Done Quick or shirtless Trihex.  Having an event without a Megaman block, or at least 2 Zelda games, or at least 2 Metroid games would be irregular.

I would think that the guys who organize and run the marathons would have a good handle on the popularity of a game/series.  It's why I'm not getting all bent out of shape when my game didn't get accepted.  They said that a 20-minute indie PC game with few speed tricks isn't what this event needs, and I'm going to have to live with that.

If their decision, after all this support, is that a 2-hour run of a series that's been around the last 2 marathons is too much to squeeze into an already stuffed week, you might have to learn to accept it.  In any case, venting wildly isn't going to change their minds.

(Also, they've been going over hundreds of submissions.  I think we should be lucky that they give us reasons for denying them at all.)

WHiPCPL

2014-02-10 06:00:27 pm

Bahamut is in envy

Quote from Blees:

Quote from WHiPCPL:

Quote from romscout:

Spyro 120%: As I stated in the rejection, one of the factors is that Spyro has been at two straight GDQs. If it wasn't for that, the run would've made it past first cut. Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut. For the Spyro games currently on the table, we'd probably either be looking at picking one or making a bid war for which one to race if the runners are up for it. We're not dedicating 2 hours to Spyro in its 3rd straight GDQ appearance when we already have nearly 200 hours to cut, sorry.

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

Next up you say that even if it gets past the first cut it won't make it through the final cut either? I doubt I'm the only one who reads it this way, but it seem to me that you (or whoever works on verifying/cutting games), didn't actually bother to even look up a run, even if that's not the case, you're basically telling the runner that "we don't care." Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but the way you word it, makes it seem like no repsect was shown towards the runner who offered it.

I'm not here to tell you or anyone else what's the right or wrong thing to do. It just seems to me that a little bit of bias went into this. Oh and before you start telling me that the other runs would generate more hype. Judging from the donation comments (and from what I saw in twitch chat), people were pretty hyped over seeing crash bandicoot and spyro at the marathon. Maybe not as much as people are to see the other runs, it just seems like some bias went into some of these decisions.

Cheers.

You're comparing apples and oranges. That's like saying that because you have lunch every day, it should be normal to also have chocolate truffles.

Each of the games you mentioned are fan favorites. They bring in the viewers and the donations consistently, to the point where they have become a staple at the events, much like Awful Games Done Quick or shirtless Trihex. Having an event without a Megaman block, or at least 2 Zelda games, or at least 2 Metroid games would be irregular.

I would think that the guys who organize and run the marathons would have a good handle on the popularity of a game/series. It's why I'm not getting all bent out of shape when my game didn't get accepted. They said that a 20-minute indie PC game with few speed tricks isn't what this event needs, and I'm going to have to live with that.

If their decision, after all this support, is that a 2-hour run of a series that's been around the last 2 marathons is too much to squeeze into an already stuffed week, you might have to learn to accept it. In any case, venting wildly isn't going to change their minds.

(Also, they've been going over hundreds of submissions. I think we should be lucky that they give us reasons for denying them at all.)

It's hypocritical if anything. If making more money for the charity is in question, then it makes sense. However that was not the reason stated. Following from the reason given, the other games should be rejected for the exact same reason. Just because they're staples doesn't change ANYTHING.

Like I've already said, what they do is their decision, because it's their marathon. Venting doesn't seem like the right word here. If you're going to reject a game based on repitition, don't then have the same game from past 5 *GDQ's or whatever. It's hypocritical, regardless on staple or not.

[quote="Blees"][quote="WHiPCPL"][quote="romscout"]Spyro 120%: As I stated in the rejection, one of the factors is that Spyro has been at two straight GDQs. If it wasn't for that, the run would've made it past first cut. Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut. For the Spyro games currently on the table, we'd probably either be looking at picking one or making a bid war for which one to race if the runners are up for it. We're not dedicating 2 hours to Spyro in its 3rd straight GDQ appearance when we already have nearly 200 hours to cut, sorry.[/quote]

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

Next up you say that even if it gets past the first cut it won't make it through the final cut either? I doubt I'm the only one who reads it this way, but it seem to me that you (or whoever works on verifying/cutting games), didn't actually bother to even look up a run, even if that's not the case, you're basically telling the runner that "we don't care." Whether that's true or not, I don't know, but the way you word it, makes it seem like no repsect was shown towards the runner who offered it.

I'm not here to tell you or anyone else what's the right or wrong thing to do. It just seems to me that a little bit of bias went into this. Oh and before you start telling me that the other runs would generate more hype. Judging from the donation comments (and from what I saw in twitch chat), people were pretty hyped over seeing crash bandicoot and spyro at the marathon. Maybe not as much as people are to see the other runs, it just seems like some bias went into some of these decisions.

Cheers.
[/quote]

You're comparing apples and oranges.  That's like saying that because you have lunch every day, it should be normal to also have chocolate truffles.

Each of the games you mentioned are fan favorites.  They bring in the viewers and the donations consistently, to the point where they have become a staple at the events, much like Awful Games Done Quick or shirtless Trihex.  Having an event without a Megaman block, or at least 2 Zelda games, or at least 2 Metroid games would be irregular.

I would think that the guys who organize and run the marathons would have a good handle on the popularity of a game/series.  It's why I'm not getting all bent out of shape when my game didn't get accepted.  They said that a 20-minute indie PC game with few speed tricks isn't what this event needs, and I'm going to have to live with that.

If their decision, after all this support, is that a 2-hour run of a series that's been around the last 2 marathons is too much to squeeze into an already stuffed week, you might have to learn to accept it.  In any case, venting wildly isn't going to change their minds.

(Also, they've been going over hundreds of submissions.  I think we should be lucky that they give us reasons for denying them at all.)[/quote]

It's hypocritical if anything. If making more money for the charity is in question, then it makes sense. However that was not the reason stated. Following from the reason given, the other games should be rejected for the exact same reason. Just because they're staples doesn't change ANYTHING.

Like I've already said, what they do is their decision, because it's their marathon. Venting doesn't seem like the right word here. If you're going to reject a game based on repitition, don't then have the same game from past 5 *GDQ's or whatever. It's hypocritical, regardless on staple or not.

kirbymastah

Edit history:

kirbymastah: 2014-02-10 06:04:33 pm

kirbymastah: 2014-02-10 06:04:19 pm

2014-02-10 06:03:19 pm

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Quote from WHiPCPL:

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

I wonder where I've seen this before... Oh, page 5.

Also, reason for cut: "As you said, it was done last SGDQ. There are a ton of 3D platformers being offered this time around, and a long Spyro run doesn't need 3 straight GDQ appearances." Doesn't quite apply to all the examples you said, and it's not like the committee has time to go into EVERY REASON for EVERY REJECTED GAME about why spyro isn't popular enough or crap like that.

Also he obviously hates spyro because you know, 3 games totally didn't get past first cut

EDIT: My edit got sniped by PJ Sad

[quote="WHiPCPL"]

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?
[/quote]

I wonder where I've seen this before... Oh, page 5.

Also, reason for cut: "As you said, it was done last SGDQ. There are a ton of 3D platformers being offered this time around, and a long Spyro run doesn't need 3 straight GDQ appearances." Doesn't quite apply to all the examples you said, and it's not like the committee has time to go into EVERY REASON for EVERY REJECTED GAME about why spyro isn't popular enough or crap like that.

Also he obviously hates spyro because you know, 3 games totally didn't get past first cut

EDIT: My edit got sniped by PJ :(

PJ

2014-02-10 06:03:42 pm

Is PJ

Because 3 Spyro games made it past first cut, he is clearly biased against Spyro.

Onin

2014-02-10 06:06:22 pm

Look at it this way. If Spyro 120% were to get in, it'd have to take the place of another ~N64/PS1 3D platformer (since you can only have so many of em). So getting your Spyro run, would mean no Banjo Kazooie, or no Sly Cooper, or no chance for any other 3D platformers that haven't seen much GDQ love yet. Is that fair to those games and those runners? What makes Spyro 120% so special that it has to replace one of those games, rather than being satisfied with the given Spyro/Spyro2 any% run?

WHiPCPL

2014-02-10 06:16:39 pm

Bahamut is in envy

Quote from kirbymastah:

Quote from WHiPCPL:

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?

I wonder where I've seen this before... Oh, page 5.

Also, reason for cut: "As you said, it was done last SGDQ. There are a ton of 3D platformers being offered this time around, and a long Spyro run doesn't need 3 straight GDQ appearances." Doesn't quite apply to all the examples you said, and it's not like the committee has time to go into EVERY REASON for EVERY REJECTED GAME about why spyro isn't popular enough or crap like that.

Also he obviously hates spyro because you know, 3 games totally didn't get past first cut

EDIT: My edit got sniped by PJ Sad

Try reading "Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut." And tell me how you would react towards.

Is there something wrong with rejecting a game? No, as long as the reason stated is reasonable. Do I feel this one is reasonable? No, I don't. Is it hypocritial? It should be, after all you're denying a game because it has been at several other *GDQ's, but then you're going to allow other games in DESPITE the fact that those particular games have already been at past *GDQ's. Is that not even in the slightest hypocritical?

Quote from PJ:

Because 3 Spyro games made it past first cut, he is clearly biased against Spyro.

If you read closely, I don't outright claim they were biased. Most of what I've said in my reply to kirbymastah goes in here as well. If the reason stated had been: "We don't feel this game will be nearly as succesful in gathering donations," or something along those lines, then it's fine, I can accept that. However that was not the reason given. Does it seem like the reason was biased? It does. Does that mean there was any bias towards? I don't know, and it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't.

Quote from Onin:

Look at it this way. If Spyro 120% were to get in, it'd have to take the place of another ~N64/PS1 3D platformer (since you can only have so many of em). So getting your Spyro run, would mean no Banjo Kazooie, or no Sly Cooper, or no chance for any other 3D platformers that haven't seen much GDQ love yet. Is that fair to those games and those runners? What makes Spyro 120% so special that it has to replace one of those games, rather than being satisfied with the given Spyro/Spyro2 any% run?

Look at previous replies. Was the reason to cut it based on giving other platformers a chance? Not from what I've read (at least not directly).

[quote="kirbymastah"][quote="WHiPCPL"]

So let me get this straight. You base the rejection on spyro 120% because there was already 2 spyro game at previous *GDQ's?

Well then let's go on a trip through memory lane shall we.

OoT has been at past 3 *GDQ's, A link to the past has been at the past 5 *GDQ's, SM64 has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, Super Metroid has been at least at the past 3 *GDQ's, oh and do I even need to mention the recurring mega man runs as well? So following YOUR logic, shouldn't these game be cut as well since they've been at several other *GDQ's?
[/quote]

I wonder where I've seen this before... Oh, page 5.

Also, reason for cut: "As you said, it was done last SGDQ. There are a ton of 3D platformers being offered this time around, and a long Spyro run doesn't need 3 straight GDQ appearances." Doesn't quite apply to all the examples you said, and it's not like the committee has time to go into EVERY REASON for EVERY REJECTED GAME about why spyro isn't popular enough or crap like that.

Also he obviously hates spyro because you know, 3 games totally didn't get past first cut

EDIT: My edit got sniped by PJ :([/quote]

Try reading "Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut." And tell me how you would react towards.

Is there something wrong with rejecting a game? No, as long as the reason stated is reasonable. Do I feel this one is reasonable? No, I don't. Is it hypocritial? It should be, after all you're denying a game because it has been at several other *GDQ's, but then you're going to allow other games in DESPITE the fact that those particular games have already been at past *GDQ's. Is that not even in the slightest hypocritical?

[quote="PJ"]Because 3 Spyro games made it past first cut, he is clearly biased against Spyro.[/quote]

If you read closely, I don't outright claim they were biased. Most of what I've said in my reply to kirbymastah goes in here as well. If the reason stated had been: "We don't feel this game will be nearly as succesful in gathering donations," or something along those lines, then it's fine, I can accept that. However that was not the reason given. Does it seem like the reason was biased? It does. Does that mean there was any bias towards? I don't know, and it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't.

[quote="Onin"]Look at it this way. If Spyro 120% were to get in, it'd have to take the place of another ~N64/PS1 3D platformer (since you can only have so many of em). So getting your Spyro run, would mean no Banjo Kazooie, or no Sly Cooper, or no chance for any other 3D platformers that haven't seen much GDQ love yet. Is that fair to those games and those runners? What makes Spyro 120% so special that it has to replace one of those games, rather than being satisfied with the given Spyro/Spyro2 any% run?[/quote]

Look at previous replies. Was the reason to cut it based on giving other platformers a chance? Not from what I've read (at least not directly).

PJ

Edit history:

PJ: 2014-02-10 06:22:58 pm

2014-02-10 06:17:50 pm

Is PJ

If romscout wrote every reason every game was rejected, he'd still be working on the first hour of submissions. Move on, please.

Edit: Sry kirby Sad

kirbymastah

Edit history:

kirbymastah: 2014-02-10 06:24:53 pm

kirbymastah: 2014-02-10 06:19:18 pm

2014-02-10 06:18:57 pm

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Quote from kirbymastah:

Also, reason for cut: "As you said, it was done last SGDQ. There are a ton of 3D platformers being offered this time around, and a long Spyro run doesn't need 3 straight GDQ appearances." Doesn't quite apply to all the examples you said, and it's not like the committee has time to go into EVERY REASON for EVERY REJECTED GAME about why spyro isn't popular enough or crap like that.

EDIT: gosh darnit PJ Angry

EDIT2: All is forgiven PJ thumbsup

UraniumAnchor

2014-02-10 06:19:04 pm

Not a walrus

If this thread starts spinning in circles again I'll be back with some hedge trimmers.

romscout

2014-02-10 06:31:08 pm

that Metroidvania guy

Yes, Zelda games and other similar mega-popular franchises are essentially held to a different standard than cult classics. They generate the most interest, the most donations, etc. and so when we can include some of them, they're a lot more likely to be in the schedule somewhere. I suppose I could have clarified that Spyro does not have this same kind of backing and does not generate enough donations to warrant being a permanent fixture in GDQs, but with our continual goal being to raise as much money as we can for charity, I didn't think this needed to be stated.

That being said, Spyro runs are fun to watch, and I have seen quite a bit of Spyro 120% before (admittedly, more on Surreal's channel than Chris's, but I definitely like the run). We acknowledge they are fun watches, and that's why the shorter runs are being considered even with the repetition factor. There are a lot of unique cult 3D platformers that haven't been in a GDQ before that Spyro 120% would be competing against, and I'd rather have some of those get runs in. The comment about it not making final cut speaks more to this, not that we don't give a shit.

Some of these factors are things that a lot of people already accept as they read through the list. As a couple people implied, if I went into this much detail with every single cut on the list, it would get ridiculous. Every single cut would have something by it that's at least as long as this post. So if for some reason you're still confused: yes, this is a charity event and I want to have the schedule be distinct from the previous AGDQ. This isn't changing, and you can keep that in mind if you choose to read through a lot of the other short rejections. Convo ends here.

Yes, Zelda games and other similar mega-popular franchises are essentially held to a different standard than cult classics. They generate the most interest, the most donations, etc. and so when we can include some of them, they're a lot more likely to be in the schedule somewhere. I suppose I could have clarified that Spyro does not have this same kind of backing and does not generate enough donations to warrant being a permanent fixture in GDQs, but with our continual goal being to raise as much money as we can for charity, I didn't think this needed to be stated.

That being said, Spyro runs are fun to watch, and I have seen quite a bit of Spyro 120% before (admittedly, more on Surreal's channel than Chris's, but I definitely like the run). We acknowledge they are fun watches, and that's why the shorter runs are being considered even with the repetition factor. There are a lot of unique cult 3D platformers that haven't been in a GDQ before that Spyro 120% would be competing against, and I'd rather have some of those get runs in. The comment about it not making final cut speaks more to this, not that we don't give a shit.

Some of these factors are things that a lot of people already accept as they read through the list. As a couple people implied, if I went into this much detail with every single cut on the list, it would get ridiculous. Every single cut would have something by it that's at least as long as this post. So if for some reason you're still confused: yes, this is a charity event and I want to have the schedule be distinct from the previous AGDQ. This isn't changing, and you can keep that in mind if you choose to read through a lot of the other short rejections. Convo ends here.

hummeldon

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hummeldon: 2014-02-10 06:33:10 pm

2014-02-10 06:31:27 pm

Pls Whip. We have expressed our disappointment in Chris getting rejected but there isn't really anything in our power to change that. It sucks for us but we have to understand that Spyro isn't as big as we may believe it to be. Sure we love the series and can see each and every difference that each game offers as a speedgame but that doesn't mean that it will have the exact same appeal as the other games that could be chosen. I think we should be happy that we have 3 runs in consideration as it is.

When it comes down to it the *GDQ's are a way of raising money for charity and if some games are sure fire hits then they probably should take advantage of that. Spyro 120% maaaaay not be that sure fire hit that they want. I don't like it just as much as you do but we have to understand this.

Also, I don't like that quote either. "Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut." I don't know if it is just misleading or if it really means that it would never have a chance in making final cuts. If that means that it won't make final cuts for SGDQ 2014 I can understand that. But if it means that it will NEVER have a chance in any *GDQ's I think it is a bit ridiculous.

That all being said, I respect Romscout's decision and I am very very sorry that Chris has been denied.

EDIT: Sorry I posted this at like the same time you posted Rom Tongue

Pls Whip. We have expressed our disappointment in Chris getting rejected but there isn't really anything in our power to change that. It sucks for us but we have to understand that Spyro isn't as big as we may believe it to be. Sure we love the series and can see each and every difference that each game offers as a speedgame but that doesn't mean that it will have the exact same appeal as the other games that could be chosen. I think we should be happy that we have 3 runs in consideration as it is.

When it comes down to it the *GDQ's are a way of raising money for charity and if some games are sure fire hits then they probably should take advantage of that. Spyro 120% maaaaay not be that sure fire hit that they want. I don't like it just as much as you do but we have to understand this.

Also, I don't like that quote either. "Even if it is put past the first cut, it wouldn't make the final cut." I don't know if it is just misleading or if it really means that it would never have a chance in making final cuts. If that means that it won't make final cuts for SGDQ 2014 I can understand that. But if it means that it will NEVER have a chance in any *GDQ's I think it is a bit ridiculous.

That all being said, I respect Romscout's decision and I am very very sorry that Chris has been denied.

EDIT: Sorry I posted this at like the same time you posted Rom :P

WHiPCPL

2014-02-10 06:31:45 pm

Bahamut is in envy

If that's how it's going to be, then I might as well leave it. Thanks for the clarification.

presjpolk

2014-02-10 07:22:29 pm

HELLO!

It's funny hearing complaints about the Zelda Double Standard when both the Legend of Zelda and Zelda 2 were cut from AGDQ 2014. It happens guys. It's disappointing but you move on.

Senzura

2014-02-10 09:12:14 pm

Quote from presjpolk:

It's funny hearing complaints about the Zelda Double Standard when both the Legend of Zelda and Zelda 2 were cut from AGDQ 2014. It happens guys. It's disappointing but you move on.

I personally don't have a stake in Spyro (and I also agree it needs a rest), but I think treating game selection has an outside force nobody has a say in is a bad mindset.

bassdeluxe27

2014-02-10 09:30:55 pm

aka forte27

We're gonna have hundreds of salty people this year. Heck, I know at least 3 or 4 of them, as I'm part of the Battle Network group, and we've submitted games for the past 3 marathons.

That being said, I appreciate you taking time to evaluate the Battle Network games as a group. Hopefully, we can continue our steady growth as a group and get one of them in a future marathon, or at least get more people to try them out. They really are very fun to speedrun.

On another note, I'm thrilled to see my Marble Madness run make it through the first cut. Now if I can just figure out how to stream from my NES (stupid capture card software not properly displaying 240i signals...)

romscout

2014-02-10 09:32:55 pm

that Metroidvania guy

Ok, we should be caught up on submissions now. Remember, if you wanted to submit something and haven't yet, you have until midnight EST on the 14th (a little less than 3 days from now) to do so. If you had a serious submission (not 24 hours of Far Cry 3, thanks Slayer) that was not addressed yet for some reason, let me know.

The weekend after the deadline, we'll start talking about round 2 cuts. It's going to be hard since we'll have to be cutting about 200 hours of stuff that we legitimately think could fit well on the schedule already. Unfortunately, I won't be able to write out reasons for everything like in round 1. The main reason to assume for most of those cuts is "it sucks we had to get close to 150 hours." We will try to listen to the community all the same though if there are any huge, legitimate issues. I would like the final-ish game list to be finished before the end of the month, so that's the time frame you should be looking for.

Guhbadoo

2014-02-10 09:59:02 pm

I would like to make a note of some unfairness on the reasoning of why some games were cut. Your reasoning for cutting Goof Troop, Startropics, Sonic Adventure 2, and others is because the runners' current PB is too far off the best time. I would be okay with this, but the Pizza Pop runner and Duke (for Psychonauts) haven't even completed a single run yet they got past the first cut. Hippie is still in the process of routing M&L and has a PB over 30 minutes slower than the estimate he gave. While I do not doubt the abilities of these runners to get up to speed it is unfair to accept runners with poor or no completed runs yet deny others for the same reason.

Sir VG

2014-02-10 10:04:14 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

Quote from Guhbadoo:

I would like to make a note of some unfairness on the reasoning of why some games were cut. Your reasoning for cutting Goof Troop, Startropics, Sonic Adventure 2, and others is because the runners' current PB is too far off the best time. I would be okay with this, but the Pizza Pop runner and Duke (for Psychonauts) haven't even completed a single run yet they got past the first cut. Hippie is still in the process of routing M&L and has a PB over 30 minutes slower than the estimate he gave. While I do not doubt the abilities of these runners to get up to speed it is unfair to accept runners with poor or no completed runs yet deny others for the same reason.

But games like Goof Troop and StarTropics have been done in past marathons (and done well), so having somebody that's not as good is definitely an understandable issue, I think anyways.

JaggerG

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JaggerG: 2014-02-10 10:15:16 pm

2014-02-10 10:13:58 pm

Jumping Turtle

Quote from bassdeluxe27:

Hopefully, we can continue our steady growth as a group and get one of them in a future marathon, or at least get more people to try them out. They really are very fun to speedrun.

Maybe I imagined this, but I thought I remembered Mike or someone saying 6 months ago that you should submit a run you're confident you can do in a marathon even if you think it's likely going to get cut. They sincerely hope to add in as much variety as they reasonably can.

Speaking of, I noticed my favorite submission got cut. :^( After reading about Bomberman Hero potentially getting in as a race, I already figured it's more favorable. My major selling point for Bomberman 64 is that it's a very deserving speedgame that had been featured in a past marathon in a much less interesting category, but still, most of the time I stream it, people ask about Bomberman Hero. Someone mentioned I might have a better chance if I'd offered any%, but like I said, it's less interesting. They don't need to cut an any% from me, because I already did.

As for my other rejected game, the reasoning is pretty spot on. As I've said in the past, it's just...too long. I offered a shorter category, but it's just under 15 minutes shorter, and that's barely anything.

Quote from kirbymastah paraphrased:

Fusion race against BioSpark and JaggerG, if not, donation incentive for 1% instead.

Instead? Come ooooooon. COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON! There've been several 1% races in the past, some finished "death"less! I believe!

[quote="bassdeluxe27"]Hopefully, we can continue our steady growth as a group and get one of them in a future marathon, or at least get more people to try them out.  They really are very fun to speedrun.[/quote]
Maybe I imagined this, but I thought I remembered Mike or someone saying 6 months ago that you should submit a run you're confident you can do in a marathon even if you think it's likely going to get cut. They sincerely hope to add in as much variety as they reasonably can.

Speaking of, I noticed my favorite submission got cut. :^( After reading about Bomberman Hero potentially getting in as a race, I already figured it's more favorable. My major selling point for Bomberman 64 is that it's a very deserving speedgame that had been featured in a past marathon in a much less interesting category, but still, most of the time I stream it, people ask about Bomberman Hero. Someone mentioned I might have a better chance if I'd offered any%, but like I said, it's less interesting. They don't need to cut an any% from me, because I already did.

As for my other rejected game, the reasoning is pretty spot on. As I've said in the past, it's just...too long. I offered a shorter category, but it's just under 15 minutes shorter, and that's barely anything.

[quote="kirbymastah paraphrased"]Fusion race against BioSpark and JaggerG, if not, donation incentive for 1% instead.[/quote]
Instead? Come ooooooon. COME OOOOOOOOOOOOON! There've been several 1% races in the past, some finished "death"less! I believe!

Guhbadoo

2014-02-10 10:19:43 pm

Quote from Sir VG:

But games like Goof Troop and StarTropics have been done in past marathons (and done well), so having somebody that's not as good is definitely an understandable issue, I think anyways.

I understand that. I'm just asking for some consistency, that's all. I'm not going to call anyone out but there are other runs I see that made it past first cut where the runner has little to no competition and hasn't even attempted optimizing their game. They shouldn't get a free pass simply because they're the only one that runs their game and there aren't any examples to compare it against.

UraniumAnchor

2014-02-10 10:22:04 pm

Not a walrus

Who says they're getting a free pass? If their runs show no progress between now and then, they'll get cut.

Guhbadoo

2014-02-10 10:24:55 pm

Quote from UraniumAnchor:

Who says they're getting a free pass? If their runs show no progress between now and then, they'll get cut.

I just find it unfair that they have a chance to show progress yet the other people I mentioned in my first post don't.

Sir VG

2014-02-10 10:25:10 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

You also have to remember that there's 300+ hours of games for a ~150 hour marathon. Expect TONS of cuts to come. Just because it made it this far doesn't mean anything.