SGDQ 2014 Feedback Thread

2014-07-11 10:02:32 am

Quote from kariohki:

How about a slipcover or two made out of a brighter color to put over the cushions and back of the couch? Would just need measurements of a standard couch, and even if there's a wider or smaller one then storing more covers won't be a space issue. Also if they get dirty they can be washed or replaced.

I'm just going to throw in my support for this.

btrim

2014-07-11 10:03:16 am

Quote from DarkAries:

Why does ESA bother with SCART and Component?
... fit in $100 budget...

Quote from Omnigamer:

Regionally-available support for the connectors, a wide bevy of available scalers, and compatible TVs go a long way. A very limited set of people in North America have ever worked with SCART, let alone seen it.

I agree 100% with Omnigamer here, and I'm a runner who's complained about the video quality we had to deal with early in the marathon.

I'm one of those in North America who bother with RGB, and I can tell you that RGB -> YUV has plenty of problems and limited availability (i.e., Internet purchasing ONLY). Cables are custom and may have a variety of problems with capacitors, soldering, etc. Console mods (you want the best right? So you're using modded SNES Mini, NESRGB, etc) have the same problem. Does the mod/cable use raw sync, or does it use composite sync? If it uses raw sync, how would you get composite out for the TV, even if you're using a distribution amp?

Those are all things that can go wrong, and a limited number of people who fully understand those things would be doing tech work.

As much as I'd like it if we could just plug a scart header into our NA TVs and call it a day, we can't. That means it's complicated to get video to both places it needs to be, and a potentially different complication in each place.

Better planning/communication for what console is going to play which games, and what output that console provides is what needs focus. Not proposing what would realistically be a large time and money investment for RGB

[quote="DarkAries"]
Why does ESA bother with SCART and Component?
... fit in $100 budget...
[/quote]

[quote="Omnigamer"]Regionally-available support for the connectors, a wide bevy of available scalers, and compatible TVs go a long way. A very limited set of people in North America have ever worked with SCART, let alone seen it.[/quote]

I agree 100% with Omnigamer here,  and I'm a runner who's complained about the video quality we had to deal with early in the marathon.

I'm one of those in North America who bother with RGB, and I can tell you that RGB -> YUV has plenty of problems and limited availability (i.e., Internet purchasing ONLY).  Cables are custom and may have a variety of problems with capacitors, soldering, etc.  Console mods (you want the best right?  So you're using modded SNES Mini, NESRGB, etc) have the same problem.  Does the mod/cable use raw sync, or does it use composite sync?  If it uses raw sync, how would you get composite out for the TV, even if you're using a distribution amp?

Those are all things that can go wrong, and a limited number of people who fully understand those things would be doing tech work.

As much as I'd like it if we could just plug a scart header into our NA TVs and call it a day, we can't.  That means it's complicated to get video to both places it needs to be, and a potentially different complication in each place.

Better planning/communication for what console is going to play which games, and what output that console provides is what needs focus.  Not proposing what would realistically be a large time and money investment for RGB

Cool Matty

2014-07-11 10:54:28 am

Crawlathon WR, get down on my level.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the Twitch Chat embed.

Twitch Chat Embed

This is probably not going to make a comeback at AGDQ. Regardless of anyone's opinions one way or the other, the real deciding factor was a technical one. Prior to SGDQ, our site ran on SSL. That was always the goal. However, we were surprised to discover that Twitch does not actually support SSL for Twitch Chat embeds in any form. Because of that, we had to drop SSL to get Twitch Chat working. That was a complete nightmare and the exact opposite of what I want with the site.

So we made the decision that it was far more important to make our users and donators feel secure and maintain privacy than to have a working Twitch Embed on the website. Viewers who wish to use the Twitch Chat can still use it via Twitch's website or IRC. If at some point in the future, Twitch fixes this, we will revisit using the embed. Twitch has thus far said that they would like to support SSL everywhere. However, it sounds like there's been no actual development in that area thus far, so chances of it coming to fruition before AGDQ are extremely unlikely.

Sidenote: the actual donation transaction was always SSL secured via PayPal, if you were worried about your credit card info.

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet is the Twitch Chat embed.

[b]Twitch Chat Embed[/b]

This is probably not going to make a comeback at AGDQ. Regardless of anyone's opinions one way or the other, the real deciding factor was a technical one. Prior to SGDQ, our site ran on SSL. That was always the goal. However, we were surprised to discover that Twitch does not actually support SSL for Twitch Chat embeds in any form. Because of that, we had to drop SSL to get Twitch Chat working. That was a complete nightmare and the exact opposite of what I want with the site.

So we made the decision that it was far more important to make our users and donators feel secure and maintain privacy than to have a working Twitch Embed on the website. Viewers who wish to use the Twitch Chat can still use it via Twitch's website or IRC. If at some point in the future, Twitch fixes this, we will revisit using the embed. Twitch has thus far said that they would like to support SSL everywhere. However, it sounds like there's been no actual development in that area thus far, so chances of it coming to fruition before AGDQ are extremely unlikely.

Sidenote: the actual donation transaction was always SSL secured via PayPal, if you were worried about your credit card info.

The Sid

2014-07-11 11:33:16 am

raising the stakes on being bad!

i have to agree with omni on Scart/rgb i think its overly taxing for low returns in the amount of set cost and risk in finiding tv's, moded or setup consoles, and even the addition wires it would just amplify risk of things going wrong in every way, for a very small return in picture that can simple be fixed by having the right kind of S-video connector cable on hand for almost all consoles (not in every case but 99% of the time this fixes conversion even being a factor)

as for the # donation thing to beat the dead horse as some one that worked donation station for several shifts it possible to edit comments to remove # what ever is the key word to make it unseen but it eats up time and makes it much harder to do our job and on top of that we have to trust those next to us to have not already proceed the donation while we were modifying every single donation sent in by the community its not really a viable fix logistically unless we set a flag in the donation program to remove #XXXXXXXX when sent to reader or something to keep it from being said or off the ticker but then we miss out on #SGD2014 #wondershot #WHATEVER etc....
I tried to find ones that were related to the community but its hard to tell the chaff from the wheat when you not a regular in bromans stream etc. etc.

Im gonna be honest here the more sir tonk talks the more I love this guy his posts are all solid ideas and pretty much every thing I back up 100% as someone trained professionally with A/V stuff,
gaff tape over the tv volume easy and obvious fix
Maybe spoof video packages to cut to promo sponsors or prizes ( this gives use a few seconds of down time to fix messed up stuff as we will be cut to something else we can mess with stuff on screen )

making gear available to "tech" staff i know i showed up last minute, but im going to echo the sentiment i will change lav clips and the lav muffs if they go missing/break if i know where they are, i know they cost money, but it comes down to finding those you trust and counting inventory to make sure someone doesn't get stick fingers.
I think we may want to give them the bright crayon box to put the mics in with longer cords so there just no excuses.
i think just setting up the mic on them with this new ear mic might be the path to go, rather then letting them do it them selves. several times it looked like the runner had set up the mic correctly and it was just slightly out of position so they would trail off and there's not much to do short of walking up and messing with the mic in there ear mid run, leading to ugly me walking into shot mid run fusing with the mic and either muting them to fix it or dealing with he loud poops while messing with it ( assuming there's only one audio tech which there was at most times during graveyard shift) both fixes i found very much unappealing every time i ran into this issue, the only other option is motion to them to fix the mic and hope they can fix it in a brief moment of down time.

i have to agree with omni on Scart/rgb i think its overly taxing for low returns in the amount of set cost and risk in finiding tv's, moded or setup consoles, and even the addition wires it would just amplify risk of things going wrong in every way, for a very small return in picture that can simple be fixed by having the right kind of S-video connector cable on hand for almost all consoles (not in every case but 99% of the time this fixes conversion even being a factor)

as for the # donation thing to beat the dead horse as some one that worked donation station for several shifts it possible to edit comments to remove # what ever is the key word to make it unseen but it eats up time and makes it much harder to do our job and on top of that we have to trust those next to us to have not already proceed the donation while we were modifying every single donation sent in by the community its not really a viable fix logistically unless we set a flag in the donation program to remove #XXXXXXXX when sent to reader or something to keep it from being said or off the ticker but then we miss out on #SGD2014 #wondershot #WHATEVER etc....
I tried to find ones that were related to the community but its hard to tell the chaff from the wheat when you not a regular in bromans stream etc. etc.

Im gonna be honest here the more sir tonk talks the more I love this guy his posts are all solid ideas and pretty much every thing I back up 100% as someone trained professionally with A/V stuff, 
gaff tape over the tv volume easy and obvious fix
Maybe spoof video packages to cut to promo sponsors or prizes ( this gives use a few seconds of down time to fix messed up stuff as we will be cut to something else we can mess with stuff on screen )

making gear available to "tech" staff i know i showed up last minute, but im going to echo the sentiment i will change lav clips and the lav muffs if they go missing/break if i know where they are, i know they cost money, but it comes down to finding those you trust and counting inventory to make sure someone doesn't get stick fingers. 
I think we may want to give them the bright crayon box to put the mics in with longer cords so there just no excuses.
i think just setting up the mic on them with this new ear mic might be the path to go, rather then letting them do it them selves. several times it looked like the runner had set up the mic correctly and it was just slightly out of position so they would trail off and there's not much to do short of walking up and messing with the mic in there ear mid run, leading to ugly me walking into shot mid run fusing with the mic and either muting them to fix it or dealing with he loud poops while messing with it ( assuming there's only one audio tech which there was at most times during graveyard shift) both fixes i found very much unappealing every time i ran into this issue, the only other option is motion to them to fix the mic and hope they can fix it in a brief moment of down time.

saintmillion

2014-07-11 12:16:05 pm

station

Any possibility of having the host/donation reader announce the final time instead of the tech team? Often I'd leave the stream up and do something else and still listen. When times are announced I can't really hear and I would be too far to read the split.

Or give the tech crew an announcement mic that can be turned on just to announce times.

Alko

2014-07-11 01:09:47 pm

Caution: This user contains Kana ^_^

Quote from BobTGoldfish:

The German Restream issues.

Sorry for asking about what was ten pages ago, but: Which issues? There was no restream (because we didn't have enough manpower) so how can there have been issues?

ShadowWraith

2014-07-11 02:57:08 pm

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They were still being advertised on the twitch page.

BobTGoldfish

2014-07-11 03:11:14 pm

Quote from Alko:

Quote from BobTGoldfish:

The German Restream issues.

Sorry for asking about what was ten pages ago, but: Which issues? There was no restream (because we didn't have enough manpower) so how can there have been issues?

The issue being either no-one at the event knew that there was no restream, or they just forgot and not only was it being promoted on the twitch page for the first half of the marathon it was also being promoted by hosts when talking about the restreams. This caused several things. !) some people thought the blame rested on the caster of the restream, so were pissed at him, even though he was never doing it. 2) people got pissed when we offered something we could not deliver.

AlecK47

2014-07-11 03:32:42 pm

Pretty much everything I would have liked to say has already been thoroughly discussed (if not more so - it took me quite a while to read this whole thread today), but I do have a couple things to say.

First off, as the mysterious guy who commentated cak’s SMB2 runs, I probably would have mentioned my name at some point if not for the fact that I was running on fumes and giving good commentary was about all I could focus on at the time. That said, I was very much a last-second commentator, so even had there been a list made beforehand and shown on the stream/website/wherever else I likely wouldn’t have been on it. I mentioned in the commentary thread well before the marathon that I was qualified for SMB2 (among other games), and got no response for SMB2. I intended to talk to cak before the run about whether he would want me there to commentate, but it was only immediately before the run itself that I figured out who he was. So I asked then and made sure to be clear that I was willing to defer to others, but there ended up being a mic open and a chair that was still on camera. Fortunately it worked out fine – I don’t think I stepped on anybody’s toes, and based on the feedback I got at the event the run got good commentary.

I like the idea of bracelets more than lanyards (though we may want to have basic nametags around as well). If a bracelet bothers a runner, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to temporarily remove it for their run, or even just when they practice.

I brought my Model 2 Genesis, it was about 20 feet away from the one used, and there was at least one more in the practice room. I'm not the one to ask about getting optimal video from Genesis, but there were options.

During my run, the earpiece didn't want to sit very nicely, and even started threatening to fall off just before I went for one of the two most precise skips in Sonic 2 (the Metropolis 2 level wrap). I tilted my head, got it to sit nicely and at least seemed to be able to refocus, but it may still have affected my play there (spoilers: I missed it the first time). Improvements on this matter have been discussed, and I would certainly appreciate them.

Pretty much everything I would have liked to say has already been thoroughly discussed (if not more so - it took me quite a while to read this whole thread today), but I do have a couple things to say.

First off, as the mysterious guy who commentated cak’s SMB2 runs, I probably would have mentioned my name at some point if not for the fact that I was running on fumes and giving good commentary was about all I could focus on at the time.  That said, I was very much a last-second commentator, so even had there been a list made beforehand and shown on the stream/website/wherever else I likely wouldn’t have been on it.  I mentioned in the commentary thread well before the marathon that I was qualified for SMB2 (among other games), and got no response for SMB2.  I intended to talk to cak before the run about whether he would want me there to commentate, but it was only immediately before the run itself that I figured out who he was.  So I asked then and made sure to be clear that I was willing to defer to others, but there ended up being a mic open and a chair that was still on camera.  Fortunately it worked out fine – I don’t think I stepped on anybody’s toes, and based on the feedback I got at the event the run got good commentary.

I like the idea of bracelets more than lanyards (though we may want to have basic nametags around as well).  If a bracelet bothers a runner, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to temporarily remove it for their run, or even just when they practice.

I brought my Model 2 Genesis, it was about 20 feet away from the one used, and there was at least one more in the practice room. I'm not the one to ask about getting optimal video from Genesis, but there were options.

During my run, the earpiece didn't want to sit very nicely, and even started threatening to fall off just before I went for one of the two most precise skips in Sonic 2 (the Metropolis 2 level wrap).  I tilted my head, got it to sit nicely and at least seemed to be able to refocus, but it may still have affected my play there (spoilers: I missed it the first time).  Improvements on this matter have been discussed, and I would certainly appreciate them.

UraniumAnchor

Edit history:

UraniumAnchor: 2014-07-11 03:39:54 pm

2014-07-11 03:38:33 pm

Not a walrus

Quote from AlecK47:

If a bracelet bothers a runner, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to temporarily remove it for their run, or even just when they practice.

The whole point behind the bracelets is that you CAN'T put them back on after they've been removed, so this isn't really a solution, unless we want to burn through extra bracelets.

AlecK47

2014-07-11 03:53:26 pm

Fair enough. I must've been thinking of a different kind of bracelet then.

UraniumAnchor

2014-07-11 03:56:45 pm

Not a walrus

If we did go the bracelet route it would likely be something like this: http://www.ticketprinting.com/Wristbands/Vinyl-Wristband-Printing.aspx

You can't remove it without cutting it off, which means nobody can wear it after that.

Maybe offering the option of a lanyard OR a bracelet, but then we'd have to figure out how many of each to order. Not that they're particularly expensive, I guess, but still.

mike89

2014-07-11 04:15:43 pm

SEGA Junkie

Quote from BobTGoldfish:

Quote from Alko:

Quote from BobTGoldfish:

The German Restream issues.

Sorry for asking about what was ten pages ago, but: Which issues? There was no restream (because we didn't have enough manpower) so how can there have been issues?

The issue being either no-one at the event knew that there was no restream, or they just forgot and not only was it being promoted on the twitch page for the first half of the marathon it was also being promoted by hosts when talking about the restreams. This caused several things. !) some people thought the blame rested on the caster of the restream, so were pissed at him, even though he was never doing it. 2) people got pissed when we offered something we could not deliver.

Yeah, I'll take the hit for this one. A week or two before the marathon I was compiling a list of marathon-related resources that eventually became the FAQ, and part of that was taking the French and German re-stream links from AGDQ and asking Studio to update the links when we found out what was going on. Well, obviously that never happened, and they made their way onto the host's script, which is unacceptable and I apologise for starting the chain.

[quote="BobTGoldfish"][quote="Alko"][quote="BobTGoldfish"]The German Restream issues.[/quote]
Sorry for asking about what was ten pages ago, but: Which issues? There was no restream (because we didn't have enough manpower) so how can there have been issues?[/quote]

The issue being either no-one at the event knew that there was no restream, or they just forgot and not only was it being promoted on the twitch page for the first half of the marathon it was also being promoted by hosts when talking about the restreams. This caused several things. !) some people thought the blame rested on the caster of the restream, so were pissed at him, even though he was never doing it. 2) people got pissed when we offered something we could not deliver.[/quote]

Yeah, I'll take the hit for this one. A week or two before the marathon I was compiling a list of marathon-related resources that eventually became [url=http://gamesdonequick.com/faq]the FAQ[/url], and part of that was taking the French and German re-stream links from AGDQ and asking Studio to update the links when we found out what was going on. Well, obviously that never happened, and they made their way onto the host's script, which is unacceptable and I apologise for starting the chain.

Laplacier

2014-07-11 04:17:27 pm

StarSong Hype

Quote from UraniumAnchor:

Quote from AlecK47:

If a bracelet bothers a runner, then there’s no reason they shouldn’t be allowed to temporarily remove it for their run, or even just when they practice.

The whole point behind the bracelets is that you CAN'T put them back on after they've been removed, so this isn't really a solution, unless we want to burn through extra bracelets.

I like the lanyards personally. I don't see the need to do anything else.

ZDWario

2014-07-11 05:15:30 pm

I have a complaint about the submission and run of Bleed. Three people submitted the game, and then there was never any decision on who would actually run it. My friend Dem rupees(I would have been playing it coop with him) that entered one of the submissions felt like Studio was trying to "strong arm" him out of the run when he clearly wasn't ready to run it then or at the event. Dem rupees could have been there to run it if a decision was made with time to plan the trip. My friend is pretty jaded with the community for various reasons, this in particular. I just felt that something should be said. Possibly put an actual system in place for deciding runners besides the runners themselves. My friend being very new here didn't feel like fighting over a run.

Worn_Traveler

2014-07-11 06:13:46 pm

Formerly known as Skullboy

From what I've seen about the lanyards there were two differing statements:

1. One person wrote that the lanyard was irritating the skin. This might have been an allergic reaction (Something similar happens when I wear certain bracelets) so wearing the badge elsewhere was the better option.

2. Not wearing it after x amount of days due to laziness (no disrespect but it's not like these were the 4H IDs)

Whether the lanyards continue or there's a switch to bracelets or a combo there will always be those can't wear one due to skin problems/allergies and those who don't want to wear one after a while. Enforcing the rules, regardless of how well known you are, is the best for the latter group while having other options for the former (pin the badge on the shirt) may be the only safe way for them.

UraniumAnchor

2014-07-11 06:44:26 pm

Not a walrus

Quote from ZDWario:

I have a complaint about the submission and run of Bleed. Three people submitted the game, and then there was never any decision on who would actually run it. My friend Dem rupees(I would have been playing it coop with him) that entered one of the submissions felt like Studio was trying to "strong arm" him out of the run when he clearly wasn't ready to run it then or at the event. Dem rupees could have been there to run it if a decision was made with time to plan the trip. My friend is pretty jaded with the community for various reasons, this in particular. I just felt that something should be said. Possibly put an actual system in place for deciding runners besides the runners themselves. My friend being very new here didn't feel like fighting over a run.

Did you at any point bring this up with the marathon organizers before the event? While we prefer that runners figure this stuff out themselves, I like to think that if you have a grievance that you could bring it up with the schedule planners. I know Studio personally so I think he would have been willing to hand the run off to you (especially considering he had two runs in the schedule already) if you had asked and you had shown that you could put on a good showing, but I don't know every detail that goes on behind the scenes, so I might be being presumptuous here.

[quote="ZDWario"]I have a complaint about the submission and run of Bleed.   Three people submitted the game, and then there was never any decision on who would actually run it.  My friend Dem rupees(I would have been playing it coop with him) that entered one of the submissions felt like Studio was trying to "strong arm" him out of the run when he clearly wasn't ready to run it then or at the event.  Dem rupees could have been there to run it if a decision was made with time to plan the trip.  My friend is pretty jaded with the community for various reasons, this in particular.  I just felt that something should be said.  Possibly put an actual system in place for deciding runners besides the runners themselves.  My friend being very new here didn't feel like fighting over a run.[/quote]

Did you at any point bring this up with the marathon organizers before the event? While we prefer that runners figure this stuff out themselves, I like to think that if you have a grievance that you could bring it up with the schedule planners. I know Studio personally so I think he would have been willing to hand the run off to you (especially considering he had two runs in the schedule already) if you had asked and you had shown that you could put on a good showing, but I don't know every detail that goes on behind the scenes, so I might be being presumptuous here.

Studio

2014-07-11 08:15:26 pm

Quote from ZDWario:

I have a complaint about the submission and run of Bleed. Three people submitted the game, and then there was never any decision on who would actually run it. My friend Dem rupees(I would have been playing it coop with him) that entered one of the submissions felt like Studio was trying to "strong arm" him out of the run when he clearly wasn't ready to run it then or at the event. Dem rupees could have been there to run it if a decision was made with time to plan the trip. My friend is pretty jaded with the community for various reasons, this in particular. I just felt that something should be said. Possibly put an actual system in place for deciding runners besides the runners themselves. My friend being very new here didn't feel like fighting over a run.

I actually didn't want to be the runner, I wanted altairian to run it because he was way better than me, had WR, and ran solo. We needed to get together and have a conversation about the category and who ran, but no one really went out of their way to have it until altairian messaged me in May that he couldn't make it. At that point tried to contact you guys on SDA and Twitter to see if you were still going since I would have preferred you to do the run :P. You're right, you guys are better than me at the game.

Though I agree it's a bit of a problem when games have multiple runners. I should have gone to ya'll and altairian earlier to ask what you guys wanted to do for the run, since I'd been to more 'GDQs, but unfortunately I just didn't do it (I'd make an excuse but it doesn't matter, I messed up in that regard). I guess the best option to avoid this in the future is to have some deadlines when it comes to determining the runner?

If you want to talk about Solo versus Co-Op Bleed, that's a different conversation we can take to PMs. I did ask some people about the two different runs :P.

[quote="ZDWario"]I have a complaint about the submission and run of Bleed.   Three people submitted the game, and then there was never any decision on who would actually run it.  My friend Dem rupees(I would have been playing it coop with him) that entered one of the submissions felt like Studio was trying to "strong arm" him out of the run when he clearly wasn't ready to run it then or at the event.  Dem rupees could have been there to run it if a decision was made with time to plan the trip.  My friend is pretty jaded with the community for various reasons, this in particular.  I just felt that something should be said.  Possibly put an actual system in place for deciding runners besides the runners themselves.  My friend being very new here didn't feel like fighting over a run.[/quote]

[url=https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/sgdq_2014_game_list_201.html#sgdq_2014_game_list_201]I actually didn't want to be the runner, I wanted altairian to run it because he was way better than me, had WR, and ran solo[/url]. We needed to get together and have a conversation about the category and who ran, but no one really went out of their way to have it until altairian messaged me in May that he couldn't make it. At that point tried to contact you guys on SDA and Twitter to see if you were still going since I would have preferred you to do the run :P. You're right, you guys are better than me at the game.

Though I agree it's a bit of a problem when games have multiple runners. I should have gone to ya'll and altairian earlier to ask what you guys wanted to do for the run, since I'd been to more 'GDQs, but unfortunately I just didn't do it (I'd make an excuse but it doesn't matter, I messed up in that regard). I guess the best option to avoid this in the future is to have some deadlines when it comes to determining the runner?

If you want to talk about Solo versus Co-Op Bleed, that's a different conversation we can take to PMs. I did ask some people about the two different runs :P.

RamblingJosh

2014-07-11 08:23:26 pm

Many words! Handle it!

Perhaps the practice thread could be used to also try and ensure that runners are figuring out conflicts like this.

Studio

2014-07-11 08:32:58 pm

Quote from RamblingJosh:

Perhaps the practice thread could be used to also try and ensure that runners are figuring out conflicts like this.

Is the practice thread used enough? This is probably one of those "sit down and have a conversation with runners and a staff member not involved in the run." I want to say Bleed was the only run that wasn't solved within community so it's not common enough to need to be standardized.

ZDWario

2014-07-11 11:34:50 pm

It just seemed like both the other runners wanted it and being so new to the community he didn't want to take the run from anyone.
I know its probably a rare instance, still seems like a good idea to have a deadline to make sure people know they are the one running and have to practice.

UraniumAnchor

2014-07-12 02:16:14 am

Not a walrus

Honestly, the deadline should be something that's discussed on a per-run basis, within the runners themselves and maybe one non-runner staff member if required. I don't think it needs anything formalized since it's a rare case.

tenducks

2014-07-12 06:39:51 am

During the Sly Cooper run a comment was read out with was a plug for someone's kickstarter and UltraJman was allowed 25 minuters to stream the game he is making during the bonus stream, this type of self advertisement should not be allowed to happen during the GDQ streams as it gives the impression that the stream supports these products and any content which they may contain. It also comes cross as in very bad taste to use this opportunity for self gain.

ShadowDraft

2014-07-12 06:57:20 am

Get over here!

Quote from tenducks:

During the Sly Cooper run a comment was read out with was a plug for someone's kickstarter and UltraJman was allowed 25 minuters to stream the game he is making during the bonus stream, this type of self advertisement should not be allowed to happen during the GDQ streams as it gives the impression that the stream supports these products and any content which they may contain. It also comes cross as in very bad taste to use this opportunity for self gain.

If you had watched carefully Jman mentioned that the project will be available for free. I don't see a problem with that.

tenducks

2014-07-12 07:29:05 am

Quote from ShadowDraft:

Quote from tenducks:

During the Sly Cooper run a comment was read out with was a plug for someone's kickstarter and UltraJman was allowed 25 minuters to stream the game he is making during the bonus stream, this type of self advertisement should not be allowed to happen during the GDQ streams as it gives the impression that the stream supports these products and any content which they may contain. It also comes cross as in very bad taste to use this opportunity for self gain.

If you had watched carefully Jman mentioned that the project will be available for free. I don't see a problem with that.

My comment does not mention any financial reason to why they do it just that a rule needs to be put on place in the future to stop this type of self promotion whether the product is free or not.