Secret of Evermore (SNES)

2013-08-26 02:16:43 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Do any of you maniacs know anything about the room in the Halls of Collossia with the five seemingly purposeless switches and the closed central chamber?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/588645-secret-of-evermore/67077941

I'm trying to figure it out the old-fashioned (read: tedious) way, while praying that other factors (e.g. The sixth switch, monsters alive) don't figure into it.

I can provide an Snes9x savestate for anybody interested in testing.

TheAngryPanda

2013-08-26 03:15:12 pm

Speed > Safety

I've never been able to figure out what that did as a kid either. Sad

DLDarklink

2013-08-26 03:49:09 pm

...

I'd love to help out, but I'm bad with the numbers Tongue

I have a savestate and mighty cheats for the magic Gourd

TheAngryPanda

Edit history:

TheAngryPanda: 2013-08-29 04:17:29 am

TheAngryPanda: 2013-08-28 11:52:29 am

TheAngryPanda: 2013-08-27 10:13:49 pm

2013-08-27 10:12:32 pm

Speed > Safety

So more and more testing on the Thraxx setup. Some unfortunate news.

It definitely is only viable on 10 Hard Ball routes.

It definitely is NOT viable on 13+ Hard Ball routes, at all, do not try it.

Zombie Boy benefits greatly in this setup, but has a major drawback at the end. This is the only way you could utilize it for higher Hard Ball strats, but it's slower than just relying on luck soooo... consistency tradeoff. If you're interested in this, you'll have a boatload of information thrown at you by me to determine if you're REALLY gonna want to do it or not.

Generally speaking, Thraxx is never going to be 100% consistent since games change the positional damage relationship in the room per different game instance (save file/new game). This is, perhaps, why I could reliably achieve the same effect across multiple instances of the game due to me not starting at the title screen but rather inside a menu initially. Testing otherwise (from name select) yields us with a different RNG set to play with. This does confirm that if we were to control the RNG initially somehow, I could provide a TAS line throughout the entire game that if followed perfectly would get you the best possible time for that run, obviously this is unrealistic, but that would be the effect of an RNG control. This is also why when I say "just do this" and provide a varying amount of sequences, setups, suggestions, or whatever that I cannot give a specific data set since things change. The only exception to this entire rule is frame perfect things, speaking of...

Frame perfect stuff (confirmed via TAS input and variable movement patterns to account for different positional data):

Character switch screen transitions
Blimp Skip

Other:

BBMSkip is ~3 frames to play with, visual cues and a setup will be how this is performed.
AI Skips (includes leashes/camera clips/etc...) are absolutely not frame perfect, but rather have frame windows, which cycle back to start upon the repetition of a certain pattern's end or override.

Also, I'm gonna be gone starting on the 7th for possibly up to a week and a half, so if the guides go down for whatever reason it'll just have to wait. Mentioning this here so people don't think I just up and abandoned everyone, lol. Oh and my SNES is dead, so that's just lovely...

edit: Grats Crawek Cheesy

So more and more testing on the Thraxx setup. Some unfortunate news.

It definitely is only viable on 10 Hard Ball routes.

It definitely is NOT viable on 13+ Hard Ball routes, at all, do not try it.

Zombie Boy benefits greatly in this setup, but has a major drawback at the end. This is the only way you could utilize it for higher Hard Ball strats, but it's slower than just relying on luck soooo... consistency tradeoff. If you're interested in this, you'll have a boatload of information thrown at you by me to determine if you're REALLY gonna want to do it or not.

Generally speaking, Thraxx is never going to be 100% consistent since games change the positional damage relationship in the room per different game instance (save file/new game). This is, perhaps, why I could reliably achieve the same effect across multiple instances of the game due to me not starting at the title screen but rather inside a menu initially. Testing otherwise (from name select) yields us with a different RNG set to play with. This does confirm that if we were to control the RNG initially somehow, I could provide a TAS line throughout the entire game that if followed perfectly would get you the best possible time for that run, obviously this is unrealistic, but that would be the effect of an RNG control. This is also why when I say "just do this" and provide a varying amount of sequences, setups, suggestions, or whatever that I cannot give a specific data set since things change. The only exception to this entire rule is frame perfect things, speaking of...

Frame perfect stuff (confirmed via TAS input and variable movement patterns to account for different positional data):

Character switch screen transitions
Blimp Skip

Other:

BBMSkip is ~3 frames to play with, visual cues and a setup will be how this is performed.
AI Skips (includes leashes/camera clips/etc...) are absolutely not frame perfect, but rather have frame windows, which cycle back to start upon the repetition of a certain pattern's end or override.

Also, I'm gonna be gone starting on the 7th for possibly up to a week and a half, so if the guides go down for whatever reason it'll just have to wait. Mentioning this here so people don't think I just up and abandoned everyone, lol. Oh and my SNES is dead, so that's just lovely...

edit: Grats Crawek :D

CrAwEk

2013-08-28 10:20:41 am

Hello guys, I'm so happy. I just take new WR in secret of evermore 100% 1h53min50s. This run is really nice!
I bought xplit and i have better codec. The sound is much better.
http://www.twitch.tv/crawek/c/2832531

CrAwEk

Edit history:

CrAwEk: 2013-08-29 04:09:11 am

2013-08-29 04:03:20 am

Arf! i forget take last spell(Energize). It's not a 100% but a 99%
i just take real WR 1h53min54s this morning(france^^)
http://www.twitch.tv/crawek/c/2836718
Sorry guys^^

MetaSigma

2013-09-01 11:30:38 am

You give me too much credit Crawek =P I haven't touched Evermore in almost 2 weeks and I'm still without my laptop XD. I'll be hella rusty when I get back into it and also on a side note I won't be streaming until atleast mid to end of September. Sorry to break the news to everyone but don't worry I'll be back soon :). Also Crawek keep pushing the time down man. Proud of ya (And everyone else who has done a wonderful job in helping bring this game down to where it is today :D)

Skarsnik

2013-09-01 11:56:09 am

Can someone maybe send Crawek's WR to TSSB? It will show SoE has activity. I already message Crawek about it, but he is scared of his bad english Smiley

Submiting the three can be fun and show people they are differents way to enjoy the game.

Patashu

2013-09-01 03:03:02 pm

Quote from Skarsnik:

Can someone maybe send Crawek's WR to TSSB? It will show SoE has activity. I already message Crawek about it, but he is scared of his bad english Smiley

Submiting the three can be fun and show people they are differents way to enjoy the game.

http://tssbreak.com/submit/ You are allowed to submit runs on behalf of other people, so go ahead and do it Smiley

CrAwEk

2013-09-02 03:47:46 am

hello guys! to day I submit my 3 WR on The Sunday Sequence Breack^^

TheAngryPanda

2013-09-02 07:59:26 pm

Speed > Safety

Quote from MetaSigma:

You give me too much credit Crawek =P I haven't touched Evermore in almost 2 weeks and I'm still without my laptop XD. I'll be hella rusty when I get back into it and also on a side note I won't be streaming until atleast mid to end of September. Sorry to break the news to everyone but don't worry I'll be back soon :). Also Crawek keep pushing the time down man. Proud of ya (And everyone else who has done a wonderful job in helping bring this game down to where it is today :D)

That's ok Meta, you're gonna be a guinea pig for ~2 weeks after you start streaming again anyways. lol. Cheesy

LovableLambchop

2013-09-02 09:57:33 pm

Why do I play this game...

http://www.twitch.tv/lovablelambchop/c/2863046

CrAwEk

2013-09-03 12:15:25 pm

my stream is better now(60 fps and quality 10)!

DLDarklink

2013-09-03 02:06:59 pm

...

Sadly, L and his dog never came back...
And the Spiders took a piss on his grave Tongue

TheAngryPanda

2013-09-03 03:25:30 pm

Speed > Safety

Just stopping by to mention that I've been looking into Act 2 enemy manipulations while getting the test TAS through the areas. There's more testing to be done, but I think I've figured out most of the trouble spots we normally have such as getting caught on dancing fools in ruins, bone buzzards in mids, and other annoying areas. The bad news is that this means it's more to think about during a run, the good news is that just about all of them are easily done in real-time. In total, they only serve to save a potential 5s at first glance, but once you factor in people's typical reaction to getting caught up on something it tends to push that time save higher and higher depending on who's running the game.

More info will come once I'm actually not busy. Sad

Vultuz

Edit history:

Vultuz: 2013-09-09 10:06:39 am

Vultuz: 2013-09-09 10:06:18 am

2013-09-09 10:04:57 am

Allright, after discussing the All Bosses categorie, i finished the run (finally)
That categorie include the both guys at the Diamond Eyes Skip as a Boss now.

The time is now 1:43:32 - http://www.twitch.tv/vultuz/c/2900162
Its not the Best run, but we have a route now i think Tongue

CrAwEk

2013-09-09 11:38:08 pm

really nice job vultuz! GG!

Vultuz

Edit history:

Vultuz: 2013-09-11 11:03:16 am

2013-09-11 11:01:40 am

Anyone have some experience with the Tiny "Bossfight"?
I just entered the fight and made it to the platform, but the cutscene for the diamond eyes just dont started.
Only could use the teleporter out there, but was unable to enter the fight again, so its possible to continue the game, but you cant get back into the fight.
My theory about it is just i made the "fight" to fast, he has to throw alteast 1 Oglin at you, but yee not sure if thats the case.

TheAngryPanda

2013-09-12 07:12:46 pm

Speed > Safety

I know there was an old bug that happened with that fight in which certain animations caused weird bugs with the way the fight "resolved" itself upon reaching the middle platform. Could be one of those cases that you've experienced. Mine was definitely not speed related though since it was a very casual file from back when I was a kid. Perhaps him being in mid-throwing animation or triggering the final sequence (entering the main platform) at certain times causes this to happen? Kind of an odd bug, it's pretty rare through to be honest. Waiting until 1 Oglin is thrown sounds like a good "check" for timing purposes, I like that idea. Smiley