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Enhasa: 2008-12-21 10:32:19 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Ok, the arcade tourney was 2000% awesome but it's time for the tourney everyone's been waiting for. Sorry for the short notice but I just realized it would be a good idea NOT to go through the SDA meet-up at Magfest, and I don't want to delay until next year. So, this tourney will be just 4 weeks long, but that's ok, I can always run another one again later next year.

So I don't have to explain a million things, best way to get caught up on the general idea is to first look at the arcade tourney thread if you haven't before. Now, of course there are some differences this time:

- First, a point of emphasis. No signups, just play whichever weeks you want. If you miss a week, you can still play in other weeks.
- Instead of playing for score, we are playing for time! I'll explain how it works later, but since not everyone will even beat the games in question, how far you get is criteria #1 and speed (e.g. for people who completed the game) is #2.
- Because there is no guarantee on awesome games this time, and because I'm lazy and want to deflect the blame of game selection to voters, there will be voting for games this time. For every week, you will be given 5 choices and you vote for the one you want in a poll.
- The goal of this tourney is to highlight games which don't have a run (or much run discussion) on SDA. This means there won't be any Mega Man or Mario or whatever. Hopefully you can play some great games you haven't before though. Even more hopefully, the winner of a given week might feel compelled to run the game for SDA.
- Four weeks this time (only four left until Magfest). The weeks will be: NES, Genesis, SNES, PS1. I was thinking maybe some SMS or PC if we had six weeks, but we don't.
- I'm thinking no prizes, because I don't think it affects turnout any, but it's possible that we help out the weekly winners with buying the game? Probably not, but we'll see.


Basic stuff:

The key idea of this tourney is to highlight games without runs or even much discussion on SDA. This means that most people won't have the games in question, which means that of course we will be using emulators (but obviously unassisted... do NOT make a tas). Ask if you need any help with emulation short of asking for rom links. For NES/Genesis/SNES, google for "emucation" and for PS1, google for "snesorama forum" and do a search once there. That's all the help I can give you in this thread.

Don't worry about PS1 and if you will be able to find ISOs or which plugins to use or if your computer will be able to handle it. Your computer is almost guaranteed not older than mine, and I can run all the tourney games fine in psx because they are 2D. psx doesn't require plugins either. It's ridiculously simple to use, easier than the emulators you'll be using for the other 3 weeks.

Here are some emulator suggestions which are just suggestions. If you don't want to have multiple emulators for a system, and you care about being able to do tasvideos stuff like watch submissions, you can get the tasvideos standard. The other emulator I list is the one I would use if being compatible with tasvideos was not a concern.

NES - Nestopia or FCEU (for tasvideos)
Genesis - Fusion or Gens (for tasvideos)
SNES - ZSNES or snes9x (for tasvideos)
PS1 - psx or PCSX (for tasvideos)


For timing, you can record a movie for easy (?) timing. SDA requires verification, but these emulated runs are obviously not for SDA, so no need to verify or prove anything. This is just for fun. Even with a movie, that's zero proof at all because it is way way easy to make a run with rerecords that looks like it has 0. So don't worry about all that and just play. I'm not even going to bother with recording myself, unless I happen to be the best at a game perhaps. The other option is to use this online stopwatch. Just click it, then start playing. We will use SDA timing, which is to start when you gain control of the character. At any point in between stages (if they're not clearly defined, I will define them), you can pause and note your time to that point. This is useful if you have a hunch you're about to die. (For that online stopwatch, hit mark before pausing.) So for example:

beating Super Mario World in 11 mins > beating in 30 mins > start of Bowser's Castle in 12 mins > start of BC in 15 mins



Oh yeah, please try out all the games before you vote like responsible human beings!

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Week 1:

Gimmick - 3
Journey to Silius - 5
Kabuki Quantum Fighter - 5
Shatterhand - 6
Yume Penguin Monogatari - 12


Week 2:

El Viento - 5
Granada - 3
Lost Vikings - 11
Ristar - 12
Rocket Knight Adventures - 3


Week 3:

Alcahest - 3
E.V.O. - 7
Magical Pop'n - 5
Pocky & Rocky - 9
Violinist of Hameln - 0


Week 4:

Adventure of Little Ralph - 0
Gunners Heaven - 4
Panzer Bandit - 0
Silhouette Mirage - 2
Umihara Kawase Shun - 3
Thread title:  
My feelings on The Demon Rush
Quote from Enhasa:
Oh yeah, please try out all the games before you vote like responsible human beings!


I can see your votes so far, and if you voted this quickly, yeah.......
Quote from mikwuyma:
Quote from Enhasa:
Oh yeah, please try out all the games before you vote like responsible human beings!


I can see your votes so far, and if you voted this quickly, yeah.......


Some people might have already played all the games on this list. Tongue
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
OTOH I've played all the games and I still haven't voted. I actually haven't given it any thought yet.
Hi! I'm andrewg!
well, I choose the best game.
Quote from Enhasa:
OTOH I've played all the games and I still haven't voted. I actually haven't given it any thought yet.


There's wasn't much thought for me.  I really like the game I voted for and don't care much for the others.
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
I'm not going to give results updates generally, but right now it's 1-1-1-1-0. I kinda want to vote the game with 0 right now for lulz.


Fun Fact: I made a txt with ~30 NES games. Jackal was the last cut, and this guy was going to submit a Kabuki Quantum Fighter run but didn't, so if you wanted to play Jackal you can blame whoever that was.
Haters gonna hate
I so would've voted for Jackal.

I think I know what I'm going to vote for, but I give the others a couple more plays first.
sda loyalist
I'm leaning heavily towards Gimmick! because it's goddamn hard and also the other games there are kinda boring. Especially Shatterhand. Not played the Penguin one so I'll wait until I get home from work.

Cool idea though.
boss
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The object of this game, you play as Pentaro who is overweight. You have to slim him down for his lover's sake. You can collect those bottles that'll reduce his gut down so he can kick the badguys. However, the badguys do throw protectile berries at you and you gain weight. If you get overweight, Pentaro can also crush people with his penguin belly.


awesome
Never give up!
You know, I remember you mentioning this and was wondering why it took so long to come up with a thread.  I even considered starting the tourney myself (and had a bunch of SNES, Genesis, and even arcade games lined up as possibilities), but some other issues prevented me from actually doing so.

Pity one of the weeks is PS1 week.  I was hoping for that last one to be SMS or even SCD (Sega CD) week... something I have more access to.  Hell, even an Atari week would work if you can find enough speedrunnable games on the old Atari systems (2600, 5200, 7800, that sort of thing - NOT Jaguar, that's not the system group I had in mind when I said 'Atari').


As for my voting.  While I like most of the games on the list (I've just played them a bit quick again), I just felt I had to pick the one I was most able to handle.
PS1 week will probably be pretty fun, especially if we see more obscure Japanese titles <_<

How is this going to work? We using emulators with key-input movies, or what?
My feelings on The Demon Rush
Carc: I assume it would be emulator replays, there's no other way to easily judge time without being time and resource-intensive. I'll ask Enhasa tonight.

XFUBX: These runs aren't official, you can use emulators for the tournament, though if you want a site record, you'll have to buy the real thing Wink
My kingdom for a lagless gamepad x.x
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Enhasa: 2008-11-26 12:22:55 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Gimmick isn't hard at all. I think Kabuki Quantum Fighter is definitely the hardest of these. I didn't even consider difficulty when I picked these games though. It sucks that some great obscure games got screened out by having runs on SDA. Vice: Project Doom would have been PERFECT. Too bad also for Kick Master, Little Nemo, Solstice, Ufouria, and Werewolf.


Quote from groobo:
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The object of this game, you play as Pentaro who is overweight. You have to slim him down for his lover's sake. You can collect those bottles that'll reduce his gut down so he can kick the badguys. However, the badguys do throw protectile berries at you and you gain weight. If you get overweight, Pentaro can also crush people with his penguin belly.


awesome

best serious review on all of gamefaqs

Edit: BTW, I want to be impartial, and I'm still being impartial with which game I think is the best and which I'm voting for, but Yume Penguin Monogatari is clearly the most awesome game on the NES. It's also a great choice for running, since it's short + picking up weight-loss bottles makes Pentaro move faster + your goal is to go as fast as you can normally. Oh yeah, also that youtube link is funny because Ed Oscuro posted in it. BTW Yume Penguin gets compared to Bio Miracle Bokutte Upa a lot (the NES Konami game with the flying baby), but don't bother with that game, it sucks ass.



Aqua: You make Nate cry with the Jaguar comment. Tongue

PS1 week is going to be awesome. To allay concerns, they are all going to be 2D games which run perfectly and smoothly even on my P3 on psx (the emulator), so don't worry about that. I think people will be most impressed with the PS1 shortlist actually. 2D games were really ignored once the 3D era started.


Oh yeah, I should explain how this works. Uh, I guess I should just edit the first post, so check that.
6th party candidate vote for Little Samson
I'll give this a try since SDAAT was fun but timing sounds like a hassle.
Haters gonna hate
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I'll give this a try since SDAAT was fun but timing sounds like a hassle.


Most console emulators can be run in a window, so you can have the stopwatch program running in the back ground a mere click away.

If you insist on fullscreen and don't want to play the alt+tab game, most cell phones (read: basically any that isn't a brick from the early 90s) have a stopwatch feature.

Granted, you'll probably be off by a couple seconds any way you do it that isn't a recording, but I'm pretty sure Enhasa's intentions here are similar to the SDAAT in that this is supposed to be about playing games you haven't before and having fun rather than WIN WIN WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  The competetive element is there certainly, but not the main focus.
sda loyalist
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Gimmick isn't hard at all.

I meant hard to be fast. On things like Shatterhand you hold right, on Gimmick you have to try and jump on that freaking star.
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Yeah, timing is easy. You just start a stopwatch, play, stop the watch.

Quote from Lag.Com:
Quote from Enhasa:
Gimmick isn't hard at all.

I meant hard to be fast. On things like Shatterhand you hold right, on Gimmick you have to try and jump on that freaking star.

Yeah, if you meant hard to speedrun optimally, I'd agree with you.
destroy them with lazers
Yume Penguin Monogotari is all the cute things in life packed into one game. Lips Sealed Flying a penguin in an aeroplane was possible one of the weirdest game experiences of my life.

Edit: until I played Gimmick.  Tongue
Inny minny miny...
Doin Good
I look forward to this tourney and hope to play some awesome games I've never heard of. If it's anything like SDAAT this will be a very fun 4 or so weeks. I don't think I will have enough time to try out any of these games before the voting deadline, but that just means more time I'll be willing to spend on the game that wins...
boss
The second I heard about this I could bet money that this will be a sidescrolling tournament only and it looks like I'd win big. Where's the absolutely-any-other-genre love :'(?