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Krimmydoodle: 2013-01-15 10:16:15 pm
RKS1 was the same way.  With RKS1, the runner just hit "Pause", then chose "End & Save Replay" to stop the replay recording after landing the final hit on Dracula Graf Sepperin, before passwording over to Iris Castle.  So, to be consistent with RKS1, you would Pause -> End & Save Replay after landing the final hit on whichever Schwarzkreuz you kill last.

"Pause" should not be confused with "Start" which pulls up the weapon menu.  If you don't know what Pause is bound to, check your key config in the options, but by default it's Spacebar.
That sounds good to me.  Thanks for the tip on how to get around it!
Glad my fanboy lvls aren't THIS high
Just a quick and minor progress report.  Got a new PB in Freudia's game with 34:02.47.  It would have been a sub-34 if it wasn't for two major errors: 1) not even jumping into the boss door at all before fighting the Dark Devil to try for the quick kill and 2) an accidental Freuden Zwinger misfire during the boss rush which not only wasted time for simply using one extra Zwinger, but also made the fight against the Iris Machine 2's first form longer.

To put the first error into perspective, what simply happened was that I simply walked straight into the door.  That's it.  No jump, no nothing; so I couldn't even attepmt the proper quick kill from the getgo and had to resort to the backup strat that 072 did in his current replay.  Regardless, for me, sub-34 is right around the corner, but I need better execution and to avoid clumsy mistakes like the two I mentioned above to get it.  It's only a matter of time.
Yeah, I would accidentally walk (or slide) into the door all the time. I was actually really close to doing it in that replay, but of course it wouldn't have mattered. I can't even think of missing the hop as a mistake because of how rare it is that I succeed. :/ I've had the Zwinger thing happen to me too, though thankfully never during good attempts.
I hit sub 34 with Pamela today, albeit in a segmented run with a time of 33:56 and maybe 7-8 seconds room for improvement.  Still, it makes me pretty happy.  I may go back to single segment for sub 35 attempts or something.
Hope rides alone.
congratz - mind posting the replay?
I've thought about it a little, and I think I may redo the Schwarzkreuz section, though I probably won't redo Iris.  Even with a bad Liebea/Iris fight, getting 2 cycle Schwer with no Teppy drop more than makes up for those and is way too rare to grind for.
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Vucious Creed: 2013-01-30 11:25:59 pm
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Vucious Creed: 2013-01-30 11:08:46 pm
Glad my fanboy lvls aren't THIS high
After a couple of weeks since my last progress report, I've finally cut the 34 myself.  The New PB is 33:55.13 as Freudia going the "Luste Route" this time.  This is mostly due to me beginning to alternate working between the Grolla and Luste routes more often, and the "Luste Route" just happened to be the path I went while getting my new time at that moment in time.  I'm still going to work more with both routes to see how fast I can get with my current ablities.

Anyway, nothing too different about this run except for the usual slip-ups along the way be it a missed cycle, execution error, and/or boss AI shenanigans (I'm staring at you, Grolla).  There is still much more time that can be saved, clearly, but for now, I'm fine with this.  I just have to keep grinding it out.

Also, two things: 1) No, this will not be uploaded (the replay file will be uploaded, just not a full-fledged video).  If my hunch is correct, 072 will beat this eventually if I don't do it first, so I don't see the point in uploading if this won't stick.  There is still much to be done before I believe either of us would consider calling it done.  2) Arkhanno, if you're reading this, I would request that you don't do calculations on my Luste and Grolla stages this time.  As of right now, I'm fairly confident that my runs of those two stages, via "Luste Route", will not come close to the ones that 072 did in his prior run.  So unless my times clearly beats his, then I don't see the point of calculating stage times.  However, whenever I next get a "Grolla Route" run done (assuming the time will be lower by then), then I'll would like a stage time check between the two.  Thanks.

Quick Edit: Oh, I forgot one thing I need to ask.  In Trauare's stage where you would travel through the underwater currents, does anyone know how do you manipulate Freudia to quick turn when the current change directions (in particular, the turn leading to the first upward current).  I can do it sometimes, but I don't know how to be consistant with it.  This will help my next runs a lot if I can get a clue as to how to do it.
Vucious, that was a really nice run. I won't post the math fun this time, since you asked, but I did check to see how close you were because I was curious. I will say this: you were 4 seconds ahead of 072's aforementioned run when you killed Grolla. With a better Tia/Iris fight you could cut off a few more seconds, but it was still a good run.
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Very smooth run, grats Vucious!

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Quick Edit: Oh, I forgot one thing I need to ask.  In Trauare's stage where you would travel through the underwater currents, does anyone know how do you manipulate Freudia to quick turn when the current change directions (in particular, the turn leading to the first upward current).  I can do it sometimes, but I don't know how to be consistant with it.  This will help my next runs a lot if I can get a clue as to how to do it.


I believe you maintain "control" over Freudia during vertical currents if you aren't "swimming" as the current changes, ie. if you're on the floor and not jumping.  (You'll notice that you always have control when playing as Pamela in this section since she can't swim).  During your run, before the last vertical current, you slid (which is fine), but it looks like you also jumped up at the end, which maintained your leftward momentum into the top left corner. 

After trying it a few times, if I just never press jump before the last rising current, I can just hold right after the current lifts me up, to hug the right wall, even if I had been sliding.  I never seem to be able to do the back and forth horizontal currents right before that part very smoothly though, as you did during your pb run... x_X

Also, just for fun - if you pre-fire freudenstachel during the last horizontal current, it's possible to slide that entire part without getting hit (though I doubt it saves very much time versus the risk of getting hit :P)
about trau's stage, i played around with it just now, and i think it's just the direction you're facing immediately before the current direction changes. you want to be facing the direction you will be going after it changes. the good news is that this is very easy and i had no problem doing it just now. i don't think whether you are swimming matters, but i could be wrong there.
Congrats on the sub-34!

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Also, two things: 1) No, this will not be uploaded (the replay file will be uploaded, just not a full-fledged video).  If my hunch is correct, 072 will beat this eventually if I don't do it first, so I don't see the point in uploading if this won't stick.  There is still much to be done before I believe either of us would consider calling it done.

I haven't done any attempts since my last run and probably won't be able to again for a while. But yeah, I would probably want to go for sub-33 if at all possible.
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Vucious Creed: 2013-01-31 05:20:54 pm
Glad my fanboy lvls aren't THIS high
Quote from Arkhanno:
With a better Tia/Iris fight you could cut off a few more seconds, but it was still a good run.

There were a lot of places where I could have saved more time with boss battles alone like Lecht and Rink (missed a cylcle), Luste (platform RNG/shooting while invincible), Grolla (attack RNG, primarily dashing slashes), Dolis (missed quick kill opportunities and attack RNG if she chooses to slide first) and several others.  That's not to mention missing the a first cycle platform clip in Sichte's stage, misfiring the Hund in Eifer's stage... yeah, I think I gave more than enough examples.

Also, thanks nate and Pointblanket for tips/hints on how to maneuver through the waterway's current.  I might have an understanding now about how it works, but it's still a bit wonky on the execution after a few practice tries.  I'll manage, though.

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I haven't done any attempts since my last run and probably won't be able to again for a while. But yeah, I would probably want to go for sub-33 if at all possible.

Is sub-33 really possible?  I wonder about that.  That would take a lot of near perfect execution, and, most of all, good boss fights to cut that mark.  Honestly, I'm not sure if with that it would be that low, but then again, I could be very much wrong.
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With a better Tia/Iris fight you could cut off a few more seconds, but it was still a good run.

There were a lot of places where I could have saved more time with boss battles alone like Lecht and Rink (missed a cylcle), Luste (platform RNG/shooting while invincible), Grolla (attack RNG, primarily dashing slashes), Dolis (missed quick kill opportunities and attack RNG if she chooses to slide first) and several others.  That's not to mention missing the a first cycle platform clip in Sichte's stage, misfiring the Hund in Eifer's stage... yeah, I think I gave more than enough examples.


I say the Tia/Iris fight because that one stood out as the worst one of all to me. Regardless, I still stand by what I said: it was a good run. I know you'll get a 34:40 or lower soon. <3
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bjw: 2013-02-16 05:21:28 am
bjw: 2013-02-16 05:18:53 am
Hey guys, just a few hours ago I too cut the 34 in RKSF Freudia with a 33:45.71. Unfortunately, the run left me more disappointed than exhilarated. I made numerous crude mistakes and had quite a lot of bad play in general (very bad Luste stage, lots of little tricks like jet slides missed, failing to quick kill Sepperin...), so I'd rather not post the replay. Given these mistakes though, I know sub 33:30 is definitely within reach and I just need a run where all the stars align properly. In fact, lower times are definitely possible, it really just comes down to nerves and whether or not fights like Dolis and Iris decide to work in your favor. Having a time like this with a ton of mistakes definitely puts the lower 33's into perspective better, but I still think a sub 33 is unreal from a single segment standpoint. Well, maybe unreal isn't the right word, but grossly difficult and heavily luck dependent might illustrate it better.
I was going to edit this into my previous post so it wouldn't be a double post, but I couldn't figure out how to edit an old post with an attachment (I'm guessing you can't).

Anyway, this is a bit of a late update but I have a 33:28.85 now. I made a number of clumsy mistakes (sliding and jumping can suck), and most notably, I missed the jet slide at the start of Trau's stage as well as the double jump against the Devil. Boss luck wasn't anything particularly special, but it definitely wasn't bad; Dolis even gave me the god pattern during the boss rush and I blew it. Getting a sub 33:15 is definitely possible without the double jump, but anything well beyond that will probably require fantastic boss fights all around.

Also, in my run I fly a bit more than I should be doing. I'll probably get around to sliding more rooms in the future, I've been pretty lazy about it.
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Glad my fanboy lvls aren't THIS high
Hang on.  I need to know something.  According to the replay file that was sent, the game has been updated to v1.04d.  Since when did that happen?  I couldn't find it on the main RKSF download page.  Before I can study the replay (and try to improve after, if at all possible), I need to know where this update is so that I can be up to date with the latest version.  That is, assuming I've misread and the version doesn't exist.
Uhhhhhh good question. I think when 1.04a first came out and I patched to it, my game instead said 1.04d so I always assumed it was a typo and that everyone had the same problem. But now that you mention it, both yours and 072's sub 34 replays are 1.04a whereas mine is 1.04d and I didn't even catch that until now. I hope at least one other person has this issue so I don't look crazy. Maybe it was an actual typo when the patch was first released but then the patch was fixed the following day or something? I'm assuming it's purely cosmetic.
After doing a bit of Google searching bjw is right. 1.04d is just a typo.

http://erkaes.sakura.ne.jp/diary/diary201212.html for reference.
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Senovit: 2013-02-20 11:51:37 pm
I think I'm probably finished with my segmented Pamela run.  My final goal was to cut 33:30 and I ended up with a 33:28.49 today.  Replays attached for those who want it, but full video is below:



A couple quick notes:

A fairly significant amount of time can still be saved on the last segment by 2-cycling Schwer with no Teppy drop, but I was not confident enough in myself to go for it.  I would estimate this loss to be around 3-4 seconds.  Iris machine 2 can also be done a little faster by doing two combo hits at the start of each cycle, but again, I was not confident enough to make it to the proper position for it.  I'm not sure how much time this would save, however.  Iris herself could have been a second faster if I hadn't released a swing too early, and even faster if she had spawned low during either of the flying green ball phases. 

Schirach stage/fight and Eifer fight could have been better, but they were pretty small losses, and I'm happy enough as is with the sub 33:30. 

With the pattern Dolis gave me in her segment, I actually didn't lose or gain any time from getting hit; I think I was just experimenting with something, not really sure what happened.  Either way, she gave a good top-screen pattern.  Apparently Zorne spamming wall cling is actually faster for me than normal bomb throw+jumps, and she never does that for me now, but there are a few minor things I'd fix, like not jumping so much at the beginning and doing one full dash at the beginning of the underground hallway so that it would end right at the edge and I could fall off instead of hitting the wall.

Final times:
1'41.39 Luste
1'45.76 Dolis
1'48.57 Sichte
1'24.81 Liebea
1'33.76 Schwer-Muta
1'53.03 Grolla
1'51.93 Trau
1'50.45 Zorne
7'37.99 SchwarzKreuz
12'00.80 Iris
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Neutral is never a weakness
Very well done run and congrats on sub 33:30!

Here are a few comments I have to say for some improvements and for certain segments in particular.
Sichte: I recently find a small timesaver on the boss, but it isn't anything big though (you kill her after she drops the block). Stage was perfect.
Liebea: Boss can be done slightly faster (possible to kill her before she does the big energy ball attack). Other than that, the stage was really good.
Black Cross: In Lecht and Rink's stage, I have been wondering if bottom route after the dark room with the met is faster. I haven't properly timed it yet, so don't take my word for it. Other than that, great segment!
Iris: Very good segment considering you have to get good RNG on 8 bosses.

Everything else I would consider perfect for both stage and boss. Again, great job!

EDIT: I just got a single segment run in 34:53:61. Replay is on 1.00 as usual.

Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?5f5gel6ssw1s3oc

Video: http://www.twitch.tv/kuribonkb/c/1949211

First, this is NOT a perfect run at all. A sub 34:30 is possible with good play and RNG. My first 8 stages went well. I don't go for two cycle crusher in Luste's stage, so some time can be saved there. Schirach's stage was good, but miniboss and boss were bad (I miss the AI lock glitch). Eifer's stage I'm very satisfied with, but the miniboss can be done faster. In Karl's stage, I run into a maid, but the rest of the stage was good. Lecht and Rink's stage and boss fight was great. Seperrin boss was really bad (I had to e-tank <_<;). Iris 2 was really good. Iris 3 had good refights for the most part and I made a mistake on Iris machine. I also wimp out and grab an e-tank I didn't need here. Final Iris was pretty sloppy as well.

Despite some sloppy play, I'm satisfied with this run. For improving the run, I think I'll leave that up to someone else for now.

One last little tidbit. When I was hacking the game, I was able to kill Karl with Freudia without him grabbing the meat. The only reason I note this is because one, the game doesn't crash and two, it makes me question if Pamela can kill him that way as well (I doubt it, but who knows).
Nice single segment!

One thing you should probably know is that when Iris spawns in the lowest position, your charged hit can hit her after you wall climb off, giving you 3 charged hits during that phase instead of just two.  Your Iris Machine 2 is pretty cool too.

I think I'm going to have to redo Liebea after seeing yours ;o;
Neutral is never a weakness
I got a single segment Pamela run in 34:35:36 (Those numbers couldn't be better). Most of my improvement came from better boss fights and overall play.

Link: http://www.twitch.tv/kuribonkb/c/1972513

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Grolla: Stage was decent, but I took a few unintentional hits. Boss fight was good.

Luste: Stage went well (still didn't go for two cycle crusher. I'm not consistent enough at doing it yet). Boss fight was good except for the last hit.

Trauare: Fish luck was bad, but the rest of the stage went really well. Boss fight was good.

Dolis:  Stage was great. Boss didn't give me the best pattern though.

Sichte: Perfect.

Zorne: Got hit by a fire stick. Also messed up the boss and lost a little time.

Liebea: Stumbled a bit in this stage. Boss gave me the best luck.

Schwer: Stage went well despite taking a hit. Also missed the Schwer two cycle.

Schirach: Good stage minus the hit at the start. I also got the AI lock this time.

Eifer: This stage went really well minus a hiccup that nearly cost me the run.

Pamela: Good stage aside from missing maid jump. Boss fight was good.

Lecht and Rink: Took a hit at the start. Other than that, everything else was good.

Iris 1: Good RNG. Nuff said.

Iris 2: Stage was solid. Not much to really say.

Iris 3: Boss refights were good for the most part. Minor mistake on Iris Machine.

There is certainly room for improvement. A sub 34:20 would be a good single segment time. Overall, I am much more satisfied with this run.
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So it finally happened: sub 33 Freudia. And it wasn't by a hair of a second either, but by a fairly big margin producing a 32:50.76 ingame time. I still remember when I first saw 072 mention sub 33 and I thought it sounded absolutely crazy, but I guess he predicted the future on this one.

The run has a number of issues (alternatively, I have impossibly high expectations and I'll never truly be happy with a run for this game). The biggest two are that I 2 cycle the best Dolis pattern (~3 seconds lost), and I miss the devil double jump (~4.5 seconds lost). In addition, I make a number of minor mistakes all over the place, mostly in the form of taking unintentional hits from enemies. I also don't use a few new strategies simply because of how incredibly risky they are (e.g. Iris 1 jetslide), not to mention tricks like these barely save much time in the first place. If one were to implement crazy, riskier strats and if one were to produce a run with better execution, I would say that about 15-20 seconds can be improved upon this 32:50, tops. I highly doubt sub 32:30 is possible, and while beating this run can certainly happen, it'll be extremely difficult.

I'm pretty satisfied for now though, satisfied enough to move on to other things (probably RKS Tia). I'll still work on this game every now and then with the hopes of bringing the time down further, but I probably won’t have much motivation to do so unless someone beats it (hello creed). I'll also consider submitting this run to SDA.
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Awesome job, bjw.

Just curious: do you have videos of the super slides in Schirach and Iris 1 you talked about in the Twitch replay?