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EmptyHero: 2015-07-31 09:18:32 am
EmptyHero: 2015-07-31 09:16:08 am
Quote from nate:
it's good to think about others' motivation....gdq is not for profit, both in the legal and ethical senses. gdq's purpose is to come together for charity. people donate their time/money. people expect that their time/money goes to the charity. pirate channels take that away. that's what this is about.

If you're going this route, then there is absolutely no reason for non monetized videos to get taken down as they're usually up there for the sake of helping out other people trying to enjoy the event, especially when they're trying to watch one specific clip of an 8 hour speedrun and don't want to fish through the entire video for it.

Quote from T-Rissy:

I'm sorry but considering that they are a charity then I think its totally messed up of other channels trying to use their event for money anyway, if they do monetize then good they deserve the extra money that should be going to the charity as intended. Also have you considered that the people who put years of effort into running these events should have exclusive rights to this content? The other channels are (in my opinion) just vultures trying to profit off of other peoples hard work and are essentially stealing from a charity.

Not only that but the GDQ has consent from the speed runners and everyone else on stream to use their image, voice and gameplay.  The other channels uploading the run do not have consent from runners and that is a huge issue. most of them probably wont mind but if even one person does then that is a huge problem as the GDQ is responsible for the video's and ensuring the security and privacy of everyone at the event. The other channels undermining peoples consent is making the GDQ liable and potentially ruining the event for everyone.

Honestly i think this is a very reasonable and wise decision that I hope most people will understand


See above, there is no reason to remove non-monetized videos. If the runners have a problem with these private channels uploading their content, it is their prerogative to get the videos taken down themselves or asking GDQ coordinators to do it for them.
I'm kinda laughing at the fact that you're bringing up security and privacy when talking about something as benign as a recording of someone playing a video game for charity online, you're really grasping at straws right now.

Also I would also like to point out that a huge cut of GDQ donations go to Mike "Deep Pockets" Uyama and whatever company he made a contract with, so you should never say that 100% of the money raised by GDQ events goes to charity, that is a flat-out lie.

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Forgot to mention this: you guys never post the chat alongside any of your videos, some people quite enjoy seeing the reaction from people watching it live.
Bit of a moot point, but something else to consider when you hear people complaining about this.
Quote from EmptyHero:

Also I would also like to point out that a huge cut of GDQ donations go to Mike "Deep Pockets" Uyama and whatever company he made a contract with, so you should never say that 100% of the money raised by GDQ events goes to charity, that is a flat-out lie.

Ok stop right here. There is no flat-out lie in what GDQ says about 100% of the money going to charity. When you hit the donate button, it goes to the charity. GDQ does not take any portion of the donations. The charity may then give money to GDQ staff, not GDQ staff giving money to the charity. The company Uyama was contracted with IS  the charity itself. The charity itself decides how much money goes to GDQ staff, rather than the other way around. Also Uyama isn't even getting paid for this marathon: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/sgdq2015_budget_overview.html

Things like equipment etc. are paid for using registration fees.

I have no opinion on the main issue of should GDQ take down non-monetized videos, but I don't see this as an excuse to spread misinformation.
You are taking down non-monetized videos? Are you serious? They are literally causing no harm and only allowing people to enjoy the event further by finding vods earlier and easier. I highly doubt any runner really has a problem with being "unable to properly showcase their runs on video channels such as YouTube" as no matter what channel you watch the video on the run is showcased all the same and and the runners name is on screen all the time. Other channels that do a better job of uploading than you cause no problems by taking in ad revenue as well unless you really care about the runners' upload losing views (which i'm 99% sure you don't really care about). However, a lot of runners don't even upload their runs and it is stupid + annoying to have all the runs scattered across hundreds of channels rather than on one centralized channel. Considering GDQs have been going on for years and runners have never complained about such a thing shows you are just trying to drive more views to the GamesDoneQuick channel which also, by the way, takes views away from the runners' channel but you don't seem to have a problem with doing that when its your channel. It also doesn't help that many of the first runs at SGDQ have audio levels wrong and you can barely hear the commentary.
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Quote from EmptyHero:

Also I would also like to point out that a huge cut of GDQ donations go to Mike "Deep Pockets" Uyama and whatever company he made a contract with, so you should never say that 100% of the money raised by GDQ events goes to charity, that is a flat-out lie.

Ok stop right here. There is no flat-out lie in what GDQ says about 100% of the money going to charity. When you hit the donate button, it goes to the charity. GDQ does not take any portion of the donations. The charity may then give money to GDQ staff, not GDQ staff giving money to the charity. The company Uyama was contracted with IS  the charity itself. The charity itself decides how much money goes to GDQ staff, rather than the other way around. Also Uyama isn't even getting paid for this marathon: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/sgdq2015_budget_overview.html

Things like equipment etc. are paid for using registration fees.

I have no opinion on the main issue of should GDQ take down non-monetized videos, but I don't see this as an excuse to spread misinformation.


It doesn't matter how it ends up in Uyama's pockets but it does and the fact of the matter is it does and he has made hundreds of thousands through GDQs.
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EmptyHero: 2015-07-31 09:38:31 am
EmptyHero: 2015-07-31 09:37:01 am
Quote from TheMG2:
Quote from EmptyHero:

Also I would also like to point out that a huge cut of GDQ donations go to Mike "Deep Pockets" Uyama and whatever company he made a contract with, so you should never say that 100% of the money raised by GDQ events goes to charity, that is a flat-out lie.

Ok stop right here. There is no flat-out lie in what GDQ says about 100% of the money going to charity. When you hit the donate button, it goes to the charity. GDQ does not take any portion of the donations. The charity may then give money to GDQ staff, not GDQ staff giving money to the charity. The company Uyama was contracted with IS  the charity itself. The charity itself decides how much money goes to GDQ staff, rather than the other way around. Also Uyama isn't even getting paid for this marathon: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/sgdq2015_budget_overview.html

Things like equipment etc. are paid for using registration fees.

I have no opinion on the main issue of should GDQ take down non-monetized videos, but I don't see this as an excuse to spread misinformation.


I may have worded it in a poor fashion, but I stand by my post.

PCF is a poor choice of an organization to donate money to, and Mike is profiting from it regardless.

https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/2r98kv/agdq_are_only_22_of_agdq_donations_actually/

I don't like using Reddit as a source, but this post includes sources which define what % of donations go to where.
Do your research better rather than listening to reddit. That thread claims "(excluding the wage salary Mike receives directly, which is likely over $100,000)" when that was already stated to not be the case. I used the links provided in this post that link to the equivalent of tax forms: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/a_change_is_in_order_61.html

I looked up the results for 2014 and there were no individual contractors listed for over $100,000.

Also the SGDQ charity isn't even PCF. The SGDQ charity is DWB/MSF.
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Do your research better rather than listening to reddit. That thread claims "(excluding the wage salary Mike receives directly, which is likely over $100,000)" when that was already stated to not be the case. I used the links provided in this post that link to the equivalent of tax forms: https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/a_change_is_in_order_61.html

I looked up the results for 2014 and there were no individual contractors listed for over $100,000.

Also the SGDQ charity isn't even PCF. The SGDQ charity is DWB/MSF.


I'm very well aware SGDQ does not donate to PCF, which is why I linked to that page specifying AGDQ; at this point Romscout pretty much organizes the entirety of SGDQ and Mike has little to do with it.

We're getting a bit off topic here though, I only brought up that point because someone mentioned that it's wrong for people to profit off GDQ videos and I wanted to point out that irony of it all (especially since the initial argument was over non-monetized videos getting taken down.)
Terraffirmative!
Locking until post sgdq. None of the staff is available and this is not a useful discussion without them.
Not a walrus
We've gotten the ok from MSF to let runners monetize their own runs. GDQ will not be monetizing the YouTube videos. If there are ads on YouTube it's due to third party claims.

Later today I'll be making the raw stream recordings available (both the raw stream feed and the backup recordings). Some time soon I'll be opening up a topic where people can inform me of issues with the official YT videos that I can fix them and reupload them.
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zoast: 2015-08-05 04:20:44 pm
I've never uploaded any of my own runs to my channel, but I'm glad you all are doing this (at least now that official vids are going up so fast).  I know in the past, a lot of the runs uploaded by viewers have been much lower quality than runs on the official channels, which in some cases can be hard to find in a search due to all the duplicates.

this is in response to retro123 and emptyhero -
Remember that most of the main people who run the even, despite being an "old guard" of sorts, are part of the community and have been for a long time.  Said more simply, it's a speedrunning event ran by speedrunners.  Two of my favorite speedruns, years before I joined the community and was just a casual viewer, were mike's revenge of shinobi and shinobi 3 speedruns on sda.

GDQ has done nothing but make speedrunning bigger and help make some runners much more popular, while raising money for charity.  I have to think that most of these knockoff channels who post the same thing that's on the official channel, for whatever weird reason, are just trying to piggyback the popularity of gdq's, wether there is money involved or not.  To me, some of yall's arguments seem to be coming from weird angles.
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JaggerG: 2015-08-05 05:59:43 pm
Jumping Turtle
Zoast: older marathons didn't have runs uploaded to youtube, and they took months to appear on archive.org. I figure some if not most alt channels merely did it because they've been doing it, and have built up an audience dependant on them for a quick source for adequate-quality runs. Others may just do it because others do it and appear successful. I highly doubt many of them have malicious or monetary intent.

But this time is different; GDQ is making an effort to be timely about uploading. Unfortunately, many of their current uploads have severe audio issues and some even have programs popping up over the layout and game. You're under the impression that the alternate channels are poorer quality almost by definition, butedit: I misremembered phrasing and extrapolated this assumption. I apologize. for the next several days (perhaps even a month), the only "good-enough" quality videos are in their past broadcasts - not exactly praised for its reliability.

But personally, if this isn't up for debate, I guess I can do my best to just be more patient.
Not a walrus
Just a quick update: The stream recordings are taking longer to upload than I expected, but they're about 80% done right now. Unfortunately they're just numbered and I don't have a good reference sheet for which run is which, but I can set up a page to let people browse them easily. I'll try to get that done tomorrow, as I'm short on time tonight.
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TAG: 2015-08-06 01:43:09 am
TAG: 2015-08-06 01:42:30 am
hi, found a video of current SGDQ2015 run, www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_dAdD9z9KA this is the crash 2 run, i strongly believe it should be taken down.

sorry if i am posting in wrong part.

EDIT: sorry, i accidentally made it embed. i fixed it.
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Ankoku: 2015-08-06 05:13:22 am
Ankoku: 2015-08-06 05:12:43 am
Ankoku: 2015-08-06 05:12:33 am
Ankoku: 2015-08-06 05:09:51 am
Ankoku: 2015-08-06 05:08:42 am
You guys should probably actually check each runs audio before hitting upload. 99% of the runs have atrocious audio, and what is even worse is that you're going to actually prevent people that are doing a far better job at getting the runs up in good quality from doing so. I mean I don't want to sound harsh, but is the guy in charge of editing these runs an amateur? A problem on the odd video, fair enough, but this is just ridiculous.

Rather than simply rushing them up you should have paced it out a bit. Let's face it, you are not going to be reuploading all these videos again with the correct audio level, and if you can't please retract this silly "we're not letting people upload anyone's run but us" notion until you actually can be bothered to fix this.
Quote from Ankoku:
Let's face it... you are not going to be reuploading all these videos again with the correct audio


You might wanna read this.

Also, from Cool Matty in this thread:

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First uploads are raw, processed by a script. Higher quality uploads with timestamps and proper editing are available ~1 month after the event.
Gets the cake.
Quote from Ankoku:
You guys should probably actually check each runs audio before hitting upload. 99% of the runs have atrocious audio, and what is even worse is that you're going to actually prevent people that are doing a far better job at getting the runs up in good quality from doing so. I mean I don't want to sound harsh, but is the guy in charge of editing these runs an amateur? A problem on the odd video, fair enough, but this is just ridiculous.

Rather than simply rushing them up you should have paced it out a bit. Let's face it, you are not going to be reuploading all these videos again with the correct audio level, and if you can't please retract this silly "we're not letting people upload anyone's run but us" notion until you actually can be bothered to fix this.


From my understanding of the process at SGDQ, the runs uploaded to youtube were done by having tech volunteers run scripts stored as icons on the tech station desktop and those automatically uploaded a rip of what was coming through on the stream. The audio might have been slightly different between what came through on stream and what got uploaded, as I'm not sure of the specifics of the setup, but just know that nobody has "edited" any of these videos yet. Any runs that would be uploaded by 3rd parties or the runners themselves would just be stream rips too, and those are of no better quality than what's currently up. As other people and Cool Matty have said, better quality run VoDs will be posted later after actual processing and editing have been done.

TL;DR be patient, there's 150 hours of videos to fix up =P
Not a walrus
Quote from Ankoku:
You guys should probably actually check each runs audio before hitting upload. 99% of the runs have atrocious audio, and what is even worse is that you're going to actually prevent people that are doing a far better job at getting the runs up in good quality from doing so. I mean I don't want to sound harsh, but is the guy in charge of editing these runs an amateur? A problem on the odd video, fair enough, but this is just ridiculous.

Rather than simply rushing them up you should have paced it out a bit. Let's face it, you are not going to be reuploading all these videos again with the correct audio level, and if you can't please retract this silly "we're not letting people upload anyone's run but us" notion until you actually can be bothered to fix this.


There was an issue with the way the audio feed was set up to the secondary recording box, but we have a primary set of recordings (i.e. the direct stream feed) that I'll be able to trim videos from and upload better audio tracks. I've already fixed Yoshi's Island and will be fixing others in the coming days. This is not something that was feasible to fix during the event due to the time and resources it would have taken.
Had to register to ask a question here. Just wanted to upload one of SGDQ videos to YouTube with another language subtitles, but I heard about policy of removing videos from unofficial channels and quickly found this thread. I am not chasing views and was not going to monetize videos, so maybe I could transfer subtitles file to someone and people from my country who can't speak english would have an option to choose subs while watching videos on official channel? This way may cause some difficulties when searching actual video with subs but it's better than nothing. Though I didn't notice any subtitles in other videos from events, maybe there are some issues with it too, I really don't know. Speedrunning community is large, I'm sure this had been discussed somewhere. Sorry for bad english.
Quote from UraniumAnchor:
Quote from Ankoku:
You guys should probably actually check each runs audio before hitting upload. 99% of the runs have atrocious audio, and what is even worse is that you're going to actually prevent people that are doing a far better job at getting the runs up in good quality from doing so. I mean I don't want to sound harsh, but is the guy in charge of editing these runs an amateur? A problem on the odd video, fair enough, but this is just ridiculous.

Rather than simply rushing them up you should have paced it out a bit. Let's face it, you are not going to be reuploading all these videos again with the correct audio level, and if you can't please retract this silly "we're not letting people upload anyone's run but us" notion until you actually can be bothered to fix this.


There was an issue with the way the audio feed was set up to the secondary recording box, but we have a primary set of recordings (i.e. the direct stream feed) that I'll be able to trim videos from and upload better audio tracks. I've already fixed Yoshi's Island and will be fixing others in the coming days. This is not something that was feasible to fix during the event due to the time and resources it would have taken.

This excuse is irrelevant, you still haven't given a solid counterargument to my previous posts regarding why non-monetized videos should not be taken down.

Quote from TAG:
hi, found a video of current SGDQ2015 run, www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_dAdD9z9KA this is the crash 2 run, i strongly believe it should be taken down.

sorry if i am posting in wrong part.

EDIT: sorry, i accidentally made it embed. i fixed it.

I would love to hear your explanation as to why you think this should be the case, the video is not monetized.
Zoast's post puts it pretty well. Also your previous posts were under the assumption that the videos were monetized, which it was explained they were not.
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z1mb0bw4y: 2015-08-06 01:09:16 pm
Gets the cake.
Quote from EmptyHero:
I would love to hear your explanation as to why you think this should be the case, the video is not monetized.


Did you even watch that run? That video is very clearly not about archiving the run for the sake of public enjoyment, and the uploader's comment seems to suggest the video is only even available on his channel to essentially shame the runner (who got removed from the event for his comments during the run). IMO, that's the sort of thing that should be prioritized when removing GDQ content from youtube...
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EmptyHero: 2015-08-06 01:15:44 pm
Quote from z1mb0bw4y:
Quote from EmptyHero:
I would love to hear your explanation as to why you think this should be the case, the video is not monetized.


Did you even watch that run? That video is very clearly not about archiving the run for the sake of public enjoyment, and the uploader's comment seems to suggest the video is only even available on his channel to essentially shame the runner (who got banned from the event for his comments during the run). IMO, that's the sort of thing that should be prioritized when removing GDQ content from youtube...

I find it sad that people are so quick to censor something on the internet nowadays just because it offends some when others find it funny or enjoyable in some way.

The video is not hurting anyone, the runner was already banned off the face of the Earth, get over it; no one is forcing you to watch the video.

Quote from TheMG2:
Zoast's post puts it pretty well. Also your previous posts were under the assumption that the videos were monetized, which it was explained they were not.

Sorry I forgot to reply to this specifically, I fully agree that a runner has every right to ask for videos of her/his runs being uploaded without permission. However, I think it's an extremely overzealous action to take down any sort of GDQ video just for the sake of pointing everyone to their own central Youtube channel, especially when the encoder is incompetent (see Ankoku's post.)
Get over here!
Quote from EmptyHero:
Quote from TAG:
hi, found a video of current SGDQ2015 run, www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_dAdD9z9KA this is the crash 2 run, i strongly believe it should be taken down.

sorry if i am posting in wrong part.

EDIT: sorry, i accidentally made it embed. i fixed it.

I would love to hear your explanation as to why you think this should be the case, the video is not monetized.


It is monetized for me.
Gets the cake.
Quote from EmptyHero:
Quote from z1mb0bw4y:
Quote from EmptyHero:
I would love to hear your explanation as to why you think this should be the case, the video is not monetized.


Did you even watch that run? That video is very clearly not about archiving the run for the sake of public enjoyment, and the uploader's comment seems to suggest the video is only even available on his channel to essentially shame the runner (who got banned from the event for his comments during the run). IMO, that's the sort of thing that should be prioritized when removing GDQ content from youtube...

I find it sad that people are so quick to censor something on the internet nowadays just because it offends some when others find it funny or enjoyable in some way.

The video is not hurting anyone, the runner was already banned off the face of the Earth, get over it; no one is forcing you to watch the video.


That's a perfectly reasonable view to have on reddit or 4chan or another open public forum between users, but when you're running a charity event and one of the participants makes casual jokes about suicide and domestic violence that has to be taken more seriously. I feel like you're intentionally not understanding this, and seeing you make comments like "Mike "Deep Pockets" Uyama" makes me question what your motives actually are. If you actually care so deeply about this issue, I feel like there are better ways to get your point across without coming off as an immature troll from SRG. In the meantime, it really does seem like you made your account a week ago specifically to shit on the event, which is presumably not how you'd want to appear.
For Fun! For GLORY!!
Uhh...back on topic?

Are all the vods for runs up somewhere yet? And if so could I get a link please? I missed the whole last day cuz my net went down so I gotta see the finale.