Purpose and Feedback thread

2008-10-25 06:58:33 pm

As a request, I think finishing times for the runs should be listed somewhere in each thread, it feels a little odd that they aren't there.

hZarrow

2008-10-25 07:41:12 pm

This turned out very good. I am also glad you went ahead with this move.
by putting the verification process in the limelight you've given it much more publicity.
I can see people crowding in line to verify now, no?

Enhasa

2008-10-25 08:58:47 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Quote from MMAN:

As a request, I think finishing times for the runs should be listed somewhere in each thread, it feels a little odd that they aren't there.

Verification happens before timing. The times could be added later, but is it really necessary? They're unrelated.

MMAN

2008-10-26 06:31:43 am

Quote from Enhasa:

Verification happens before timing. The times could be added later, but is it really necessary? They're unrelated.

Oh, right, I guess there's no point then.

Zugzwang

2008-10-26 03:24:51 pm

Quote from nate:

the more i learn, the faster i learn: the more i know, the more i know how to learn. my time is limited, but my potential is not.

The idea of your remark reminded me of a favorite quote of mine. It took me a couple days to find.

"It is a profoundly erroneous truism, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations we can perform without thinking about them."

ON TOPIC:
This is a great idea..... The one downside i see is, yes it takes the mystery out off verifacation, but now you have to be a "public" critic. Where as before, we would communcate only with mikwuyma, we are now subject to be held accountable in front of the entire forum. :-[ This could be as much of a turn off to new verifiers as was the missunderstanding of the process. Granted there is anonymity but there is still pressure to make an important desicion on behalf of the whole community.

Personally it doesnt bother Smiley

[quote="nate"]
the more i learn, the faster i learn: the more i know, the more i know how to learn. my time is limited, but my potential is not.
[/quote]

The idea of your remark reminded me of a favorite quote of mine. It took me a couple days to find.

"It is a profoundly erroneous truism, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations we can perform without thinking about them."

ON TOPIC: 
This is a great idea..... The one downside i see is, yes it takes the mystery out off verifacation, but now you have to be a "public" critic. Where as before, we would communcate only with mikwuyma, we are now subject to be held accountable in front of the entire forum. :-[ This could be as much of a turn off to new verifiers as was the missunderstanding of the process. Granted there is anonymity but there is still pressure to make an important desicion on behalf of the whole community.

Personally it doesnt bother  :)

andrewg

2008-10-26 11:21:28 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

Quote from Enhasa:

Quote from MMAN:

As a request, I think finishing times for the runs should be listed somewhere in each thread, it feels a little odd that they aren't there.

Verification happens before timing. The times could be added later, but is it really necessary? They're unrelated.

I am actually curious of the run times too. I'd just like to know I guess.

Sir VG

2008-11-01 04:51:14 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

The one downside to all of this, as that you're not completely surprised as to what's gonna be on the news page anymore. Sad

groobo

2008-11-01 09:53:09 pm

boss

Maybe making a topic for a run that got accepted AFTER it is released would be a good idea.

UltimateDarius

2008-11-01 09:54:11 pm

Back in the game!

Quote from groobo:

Maybe making a topic for a run that got accepted AFTER it is released would be a good idea.

I actually like this, knowing what's coming.

NoiseCrash

2008-11-01 11:19:41 pm

@_@

Quote from Lord_VG:

The one downside to all of this, as that you're not completely surprised as to what's gonna be on the news page anymore. Sad

Well look at it this way, now you can be completely surprised as to what's gonna be on the verification board. Grin

Same concept, just a few steps earlier than actually being on the news page. At least that's the way I'm looking at it, so it doesn't really take anything away for me either way.

xXIkuto

2008-11-02 01:34:03 am

I like the way this forum is as-is. why would you NOT wanna know when a run is accepted? so there's some hope you'll be surprised with a run you had no idea was in progress? like 99% of any important run usually has its own topic in the forums, with the runner letting people know when he's done the run anyway...so the only surprise would be if it got accepted or not.

if you wanna be surprised, don't wear protection, blindfold yourself, and have sex with a few prostitutes. you can tell the doctor to wait until you actually see an STD yourself before he informs you about having one, cause if he just told you it'd ruin all the fun Undecided

Enhasa

2008-11-02 01:41:32 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Nobody on staff cares either way, so maybe we should make a poll about it. Post when the run is accepted or when it goes up.

DRybes

2008-11-02 01:45:10 am

O Zlda?

Quote from xXAlucard:

I like the way this forum is as-is. why would you NOT wanna know when a run is accepted? so there's some hope you'll be surprised with a run you had no idea was in progress? like 99% of any important run usually has its own topic in the forums, with the runner letting people know when he's done the run anyway...so the only surprise would be if it got accepted or not.

if you wanna be surprised, don't wear protection, blindfold yourself, and have sex with a few prostitutes. you can tell the doctor to wait until you actually see an STD yourself before he informs you about having one, cause if he just told you it'd ruin all the fun Undecided

You should have said "If you wanna be surprised, don't read this subforum". A lot cleaner, in more ways than one. And as for me personally, in both situations my curiosity would get the best of me and I'd peek, so YMMV.

mikwuyma

2008-11-02 10:07:36 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Quote from Enhasa:

Nobody on staff cares either way, so maybe we should make a poll about it. Post when the run is accepted or when it goes up.

That's what I was thinking. Either way, I'll still post rejections after I send the runner a rejection notice.

Poll added.

andrewg

2008-11-02 10:32:00 am

Hi! I'm andrewg!

What I think should be done is that the runner should be informed whether the run has been accepted right away.

Once the run is posted people can comment on the newly posted run in this board. Instead of just being able to see that the run was accepted, everyone will be able to actually view the run and see the verifiers comments. They could give feedback about the run at that point. The way it's done currently, viewers cannot give feedback because the run hasn't been posted yet. So I feel it's only useful to the runner who did the run.

Maybe the runner should be sent the verifier(s) comments once the run has been accepted or rejected and then once the run is posted on SDA the verifier comments can be posted in this board? The rejected runs could be done the way they are currently I guess.

I want to change my vote to "after the run has been officially posted"

mikwuyma

2008-11-02 10:45:44 am

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Added a time limit to the poll. I figure most people who care about this issue will vote within a week anyways.

BTW, I voted for posting right away because it's easier to organize my PMs if I post earlier rather than later.

nate

2008-11-02 10:48:00 am

Quote from andrewg:

I want to change my vote to "after the run has been officially posted"

can you click on "remove vote"?

andrewg

2008-11-02 11:04:48 am

Hi! I'm andrewg!

Quote from nate:

Quote from andrewg:

I want to change my vote to "after the run has been officially posted"

can you click on "remove vote"?

Yeah, I already changed it. Looks like I'm outnumbered anyway though. I guess the way it is currently is pretty nice. I certainly liked seeing the verifiers' comments right away. Smiley

nate

2008-11-02 11:25:28 am

damn. screw democracy! *changes votes*

j/k.

xXIkuto

2008-11-02 11:31:25 am

* xXAlucard makes 10 accounts and votes to post right as the run is accepted Wink

Enhasa

2008-11-03 02:27:09 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

strategic voting

mikwuyma

2008-11-03 02:35:50 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Quote from Enhasa:

strategic voting

The SDA voter only votes for the worst possible choice! We mods need to protect the community from making such poor decisions Wink

Satoryu

2008-11-03 03:43:49 pm

Visually Appealing

i also voted for the "right away" option.

Sir VG

2008-11-06 01:32:04 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

If it ends up being "right away", that's fine. I just wanted to throw in a different POV, cause at times it is a bit of a letdown to see this and then when it shows up on the news page go "I knew this was coming." That was half the excitement of the news page. ^^;;

(The other half is when it's YOUR run on the news page. Tongue

)

DRybes

2008-11-07 05:31:29 am

O Zlda?

I'd like to mention that I 3rd the notion that it would be an EXCELLENT idea to put Rejected in the thread title for rejected runs (and nothing for accepted runs, the majority). However, it's also VERY entertaining as it is now, to read the comments and see how its going before scrolling down to the final "Decision:", so perhaps it should remain as it is.

It would be very cool (but only if you have the time and/or the PMs still laying around), if threads could be made for some of the more notable past submissions, prior to this forum's inception.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that having the verifier's actual comments posted can only be a good thing? First off, they're anonymous unless they choose to reveal it later in the thread, so there's no actual guilt/risk in anything a verifier says or doesn't say... but more importantly, this might encourage verifiers to be more thorough now that they know everyone will probably eventually see their decision. It's the closest most of us will ever come to being like respected judges with published verdicts. I'd go so far as to offer verifiers the option of having their name quoted directly in the thread if they were to choose so, although I understand the very real necessity of keeping verifiers a secret, especially if a run is rejected or likely to be improved soon, so as not to taint the verifier pool for a run or encourage a break of secrecy prior to a final decision.

I'd like to mention that I 3rd the notion that it would be an EXCELLENT idea to put Rejected in the thread title for rejected runs (and nothing for accepted runs, the majority). However, it's also VERY entertaining as it is now, to read the comments and see how its going before scrolling down to the final "Decision:", so perhaps it should remain as it is.

It would be very cool (but only if you have the time and/or the PMs still laying around), if threads could be made for some of the more notable past submissions, prior to this forum's inception.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that having the verifier's actual comments posted can only be a good thing? First off, they're anonymous unless they choose to reveal it later in the thread, so there's no actual guilt/risk in anything a verifier says or doesn't say... but more importantly, this might encourage verifiers to be more thorough now that they know everyone will probably eventually see their decision. It's the closest most of us will ever come to being like respected judges with published verdicts. I'd go so far as to offer verifiers the option of having their name quoted directly in the thread if they were to choose so, although I understand the very real necessity of keeping verifiers a secret, especially if a run is rejected or likely to be improved soon, so as not to taint the verifier pool for a run or encourage a break of secrecy prior to a final decision.