Pokemon Sapphire/ruby speed run

2008-10-30 12:23:14 am

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2 on Route 120, but one requires Cut, which is otherwise useless in a speedrun. The other requires only a small detour across the lake to the southwest, but it's a bit late to help with evolving Blaziken before Winona >_>
1 Hidden on Mt Pyre, very small detour after fighting one of the grunts, but again is too late for Blaziken.

You can put off Winona if you get an Abra earlier in the game and use teleport. (Which you should do for teleports to Mauville anyway...)

Also I remember there being another easy to obtain Rare Candy, but I can't remember where it was. :\

DoubleThink

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DoubleThink: 2008-10-30 05:46:38 am

2008-10-30 03:40:46 am

There's a word for that

Abra, you say... not entirely sure if the time it takes to catch one would be worth it, also factoring in that that would then require using the PC to deposit something (it would be the 7th Pokemon acquired), and that it might involve using a Pokemon Center that could otherwise be missed. Can't Teleport to Mauville the first time anyway, because it's necessary to get Strength from Wanda's boyfriend by clearing out Rusturf Tunnel.
Hmm... Abra are found in Granite Cave, which is nice and early. Best place to Teleport to is probably Rustboro City.
Teleport to Rustboro after Meteor Falls incident -> Get Strength -> Head to Mt Chimney (saves like 20 seconds)
Teleport to Rustboro after beating Flannery -> Head to Petalburg to fight Norman (saves like 90 seconds?)
This is based on the fact that going from Rustboro to Petalburg is faster, since the ledges can just be jumped rather than needing to use a Repel. From then on I would have Fly, rendering Teleport pretty useless. It looks a bit tempting on paper though Sad

According to my old notes I was Lv32 before I fought Winona last time, meaning I would need 4 of the blighters. The reason I single out Winona is because she is somewhat difficult but also slow, requiring a lot of luck to beat, let alone beat quickly, at that level.
Let's see...
Desert Rare Candy: ~12 seconds (quicker than I thought really, I forgot how tiny that place is >_>), 30+ if Abra is used
Petalburg: ~15 seconds
Route 120 Cut: ~30 seconds getting/teaching Cut, ~20 seconds getting candy (too slow methinks)
Route 120 Surf: ~20 seconds, 2 minutes if gotten after fighting the Kecleon
Mt Pyre: ~10 seconds
And of course, me being the lovable idiot that I am, I naturally forgot to check for candies hidden in regular item balls... there's one quick one on Route 110 (~20 seconds), and if anybody knows of any others, that'd be great (the ones in Granite Cave and the Trick House are obviously unacceptable).
So... if I/whoever were willing to manipulate just 1 extra candy before the Winona fight, that would give 4 with only ~50 seconds worth of detours. This would almost definitely save time, and leave at least 2 for Kyogre, where every level makes a BIG difference in damage and outrunning potential.
Actually, now that I think of it, a little bit of time will be lost every round with Kyogre due to rain messages... still probably quicker than getting Brick Break and switching between the two in the menu though... Ooooh, this is so mildly exciting!

Abra, you say... not entirely sure if the time it takes to catch one would be worth it, also factoring in that that would then require using the PC to deposit something (it would be the 7th Pokemon acquired), and that it might involve using a Pokemon Center that could otherwise be missed. Can't Teleport to Mauville the first time anyway, because it's necessary to get Strength from Wanda's boyfriend by clearing out Rusturf Tunnel.
Hmm... Abra are found in Granite Cave, which is nice and early. Best place to Teleport to is probably Rustboro City.
Teleport to Rustboro after Meteor Falls incident -> Get Strength -> Head to Mt Chimney (saves like 20 seconds)
Teleport to Rustboro after beating Flannery -> Head to Petalburg to fight Norman (saves like 90 seconds?)
This is based on the fact that going from Rustboro to Petalburg is faster, since the ledges can just be jumped rather than needing to use a Repel. From then on I would have Fly, rendering Teleport pretty useless. It looks a bit tempting on paper though :(

According to my old notes I was Lv32 before I fought Winona last time, meaning I would need 4 of the blighters. The reason I single out Winona is because she is somewhat difficult but also slow, requiring a lot of luck to beat, let alone beat quickly, at that level.
Let's see...
Desert Rare Candy: ~12 seconds (quicker than I thought really, I forgot how tiny that place is >_>), 30+ if Abra is used
Petalburg: ~15 seconds
Route 120 Cut: ~30 seconds getting/teaching Cut, ~20 seconds getting candy (too slow methinks)
Route 120 Surf: ~20 seconds, 2 minutes if gotten after fighting the Kecleon
Mt Pyre: ~10 seconds
And of course, me being the lovable idiot that I am, I naturally forgot to check for candies hidden in regular item balls... there's one quick one on Route 110 (~20 seconds), and if anybody knows of any others, that'd be great (the ones in Granite Cave and the Trick House are obviously unacceptable).
So... if I/whoever were willing to manipulate just 1 extra candy before the Winona fight, that would give 4 with only ~50 seconds worth of detours. This would almost definitely save time, and leave at least 2 for Kyogre, where every level makes a BIG difference in damage and outrunning potential.
Actually, now that I think of it, a little bit of time will be lost every round with Kyogre due to rain messages... still probably quicker than getting Brick Break and switching between the two in the menu though... Ooooh, this is so mildly exciting!

DTaeKim

2008-10-30 01:56:10 pm

Kyogre should be the pokemon of choice once it is caught. I used Surf/Calm Mind/Ice Beam/Thunder, but that requires a detour for a rival battle.

Greenalink

2008-10-30 02:05:41 pm

DS Dictator

The oldest or 2nd oldest PKMN Sapphire TAS is the probably the easiest one to follow. The newest one is too unreliable even for a segmented run (new segments for every "must" battle completed with Machoke will be annoying).

Too bad the Lilycove store is blocked by the rival because you can buy your X stats boosts from there too & TM Thunder. The first 2 TASes also used Quick Claw abuse & Crit hit & Drizzle in the Elite 4. Something that is quite difficult here.

But if you can find X Speeds along the way + X Specials and probably TM Thunderbolt this can avoid the optional rival battle and the store overall.

DTaeKim

2008-10-30 08:46:23 pm

You're not going to get Thunderbolt in a normal game because it will involve going through New Mauville.

While it is going to eat some time going through the optional rival battle, it does give experience to Blaziken/Swampert for the Tate/Lisa battle.

DoubleThink

2008-10-31 02:59:27 am

There's a word for that

No reason for either, actually, simply due to the sheer power of a rain-boosted Hydro Pump. I think I said earlier it would 2-hit-KO Wallace's Lv43 Milotic, so nothing else should be able to stand up to that kind of power, except for maybe Glacia's Lv53 Walrein. Yeah Hydro Pump's accuracy isn't that great, but it shouldn't take that many attempts to get it to stick... let's see...
Chance of 5 Hydro Pumps hitting in a row = 0.8^5 = 32.77% (About 1 in 3)
Chance of 6 Hydro Pumps hitting in a row = 0.8^6 = 26.21% (About 1 in 4)
Neither of those are particularly bad odds at all IMO.

DTaeKim

2008-10-31 09:08:41 am

What would be your Kyogre's moveset then and how will you address the constant PP problems throughout the Elite Four?

DoubleThink

2008-10-31 08:36:17 pm

There's a word for that

I thought of using a PP Up, then UltimateDarius suggested Leppa Berries. I personally would be getting some Ethers and Elixirs along the way anyway, so I only have to stop at PokeCentres when absolutely necessary, and I might have some left over. Moveset would be the set when you get it: Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Calm Mind, Body Slam (no teaching Rest @ Lv50 obviously). I'm sure that's all that's needed, the only move that would potentially be worth getting would be an electric one like you guys suggested, only Thunderbolt/Thunder take too long to get and even a resisted Hydro Pump is stronger than a super effective Shock Wave. But it's still pretty good coverage, since Ice Beam is strong against a lot of things Hydro Pump is weak against (Sidney's grassers, everything Drake has, etc). Body Slam could be useful to get in a quick hit to avoid a trainer using a Potion (i.e. to make sure that Hydro Pump kills, won't help much with Phoebe though...) and the buffing abilities of CM should be obvious... if it's needed at all Tongue

I thought of using a PP Up, then UltimateDarius suggested Leppa Berries. I personally would be getting some Ethers and Elixirs along the way anyway, so I only have to stop at PokeCentres when absolutely necessary, and I might have some left over. Moveset would be the set when you get it: Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Calm Mind, Body Slam (no teaching Rest @ Lv50 obviously). I'm sure that's all that's needed, the only move that would potentially be worth getting would be an electric one like you guys suggested, only Thunderbolt/Thunder take too long to get and even a resisted Hydro Pump is stronger than a super effective Shock Wave. But it's still pretty good coverage, since Ice Beam is strong against a lot of things Hydro Pump is weak against (Sidney's grassers, everything Drake has, etc). Body Slam could be useful to get in a quick hit to avoid a trainer using a Potion (i.e. to make sure that Hydro Pump kills, won't help much with Phoebe though...) and the buffing abilities of CM should be obvious... if it's needed at all :P

UltimateDarius

2008-10-31 09:02:57 pm

Back in the game!

Quote from DoubleThink:

I thought of using a PP Up, then UltimateDarius suggested Leppa Berries. I personally would be getting some Ethers and Elixirs along the way anyway, so I only have to stop at PokeCentres when absolutely necessary, and I might have some left over. Moveset would be the set when you get it: Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Calm Mind, Body Slam (no teaching Rest @ Lv50 obviously). I'm sure that's all that's needed, the only move that would potentially be worth getting would be an electric one like you guys suggested, only Thunderbolt/Thunder take too long to get and even a resisted Hydro Pump is stronger than a super effective Shock Wave. But it's still pretty good coverage, since Ice Beam is strong against a lot of things Hydro Pump is weak against (Sidney's grassers, everything Drake has, etc). Body Slam could be useful to get in a quick hit to avoid a trainer using a Potion (i.e. to make sure that Hydro Pump kills, won't help much with Phoebe though...) and the buffing abilities of CM should be obvious... if it's needed at all Tongue

Poke centers waste time. If at all possible, you should find quicker ways to heal, i.e. the bed in silph co, the healing square in lavender tower, and the ethers/elixers such as in my Fire Red run. The only reason you should ever use a center is to deathwarp somewhere.

[quote="DoubleThink"]
I thought of using a PP Up, then UltimateDarius suggested Leppa Berries. I personally would be getting some Ethers and Elixirs along the way anyway, so I only have to stop at PokeCentres when absolutely necessary, and I might have some left over. Moveset would be the set when you get it: Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Calm Mind, Body Slam (no teaching Rest @ Lv50 obviously). I'm sure that's all that's needed, the only move that would potentially be worth getting would be an electric one like you guys suggested, only Thunderbolt/Thunder take too long to get and even a resisted Hydro Pump is stronger than a super effective Shock Wave. But it's still pretty good coverage, since Ice Beam is strong against a lot of things Hydro Pump is weak against (Sidney's grassers, everything Drake has, etc). Body Slam could be useful to get in a quick hit to avoid a trainer using a Potion (i.e. to make sure that Hydro Pump kills, won't help much with Phoebe though...) and the buffing abilities of CM should be obvious... if it's needed at all :P
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Poke centers waste time.  If at all possible, you should find quicker ways to heal, i.e. the bed in silph co, the healing square in lavender tower, and the ethers/elixers such as in my Fire Red run.  The only reason you should ever use a center is to deathwarp somewhere.

DTaeKim

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DTaeKim: 2008-11-01 04:40:07 pm

2008-11-01 04:31:33 pm

As far as I remember, there is only one place in the game that will allow you to heal like that, and it's the bed at the Weather Center. Unfortunately, it's well beyond the long routes that this route will need.

As for Body Slam, it's not worth keeping. Kyogre will OHKO or 2HKO everything in the Elite Four with the exception of Glalie since it uses Hail, negating Drizzle. Against Glalie, Surf is a 3HKO unless Calm Mind is used first. I can't remember Sealeo, but I think Thunder was a 2HKO there.

Hydro Pump is going to hurt against Phoebe thanks to Dusclops' Pressure. Surf was a 2HKO IIRC.

I'm also going to repost the two times you ought to be aiming for: My run was 2:38 with Blaziken/Kyogre. Someone had a run of 2:27 with Swampert/Kyogre.

UltimateDarius

2008-11-01 06:19:11 pm

Back in the game!

No one at your house heals you in this game? bummer.

DTaeKim

2008-11-01 11:18:33 pm

I never used it because you have no incentive to return to your hometown in this game.

DoubleThink

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DoubleThink: 2008-11-02 02:59:05 am

2008-11-02 02:48:22 am

There's a word for that

Quote from DTaeKim:

As far as I remember, there is only one place in the game that will allow you to heal like that, and it's the bed at the Weather Center. Unfortunately, it's well beyond the long routes that this route will need.

As for Body Slam, it's not worth keeping. Kyogre will OHKO or 2HKO everything in the Elite Four with the exception of Glalie since it uses Hail, negating Drizzle. Against Glalie, Surf is a 3HKO unless Calm Mind is used first. I can't remember Sealeo, but I think Thunder was a 2HKO there.

Hydro Pump is going to hurt against Phoebe thanks to Dusclops' Pressure. Surf was a 2HKO IIRC.

I'm also going to repost the two times you ought to be aiming for: My run was 2:38 with Blaziken/Kyogre. Someone had a run of 2:27 with Swampert/Kyogre.

It's true that Body Slam isn't worth keeping... if there were something reasonable to replace it with, that is. Leppa berries = instant PP heal in battle, and Ice Beam can be spread around a bit in the Phoebe battle if I really need to save on Hydro Pumps, or even bring on the Return of Overheat^TM. My one run was 2:40, but I lost HUGE time in Mossdeep City by firstly taking on the Gym with no Sharpedo, and secondly catching one that was too slow (stupid Sassy nature -_-), meaning I had to catch ANOTHER one. I also wasted time catching a Lombre, thinking it would be a useful TM slave, and lost a bit at the end due to inadequate techniques and items. Another ~6 minutes will be saved via not-needing to train Torchic to Lv16, thanks to those Rare Candies. I'm sure once I get this all planned it could be close to 2 hours, but like I said I'd like to try G/S first. And get a GameCube... and a GB player thingy... and a DVD recorder... and finish exams first... and make sure my Gold version's battery is still working...
The things I do for you guys, really!

[quote="DTaeKim"]
As far as I remember, there is only one place in the game that will allow you to heal like that, and it's the bed at the Weather Center.  Unfortunately, it's well beyond the long routes that this route will need.

As for Body Slam, it's not worth keeping.  Kyogre will OHKO or 2HKO everything in the Elite Four with the exception of Glalie since it uses Hail, negating Drizzle.  Against Glalie, Surf is a 3HKO unless Calm Mind is used first.  I can't remember Sealeo, but I think Thunder was a 2HKO there.

Hydro Pump is going to hurt against Phoebe thanks to Dusclops' Pressure.  Surf was a 2HKO IIRC.

I'm also going to repost the two times you ought to be aiming for: My run was 2:38 with Blaziken/Kyogre.  Someone had a run of 2:27 with Swampert/Kyogre.[/quote]

It's true that Body Slam isn't worth keeping... if there were something reasonable to replace it with, that is. Leppa berries = instant PP heal in battle, and Ice Beam can be spread around a bit in the Phoebe battle if I really need to save on Hydro Pumps, or even bring on the Return of Overheat[sup]TM[/sup]. My one run was 2:40, but I lost HUGE time in Mossdeep City by firstly taking on the Gym with no Sharpedo, and secondly catching one that was too slow (stupid Sassy nature -_-), meaning I had to catch ANOTHER one. I also wasted time catching a Lombre, thinking it would be a useful TM slave, and lost a bit at the end due to inadequate techniques and items. Another ~6 minutes will be saved via not-needing to train Torchic to Lv16, thanks to those Rare Candies. I'm sure once I get this all planned it could be close to 2 hours, but like I said I'd like to try G/S first. And get a GameCube... and a GB player thingy... and a DVD recorder... and finish exams first... and make sure my Gold version's battery is still working...
The things I do for you guys, really!

DTaeKim

2008-11-02 07:50:34 pm

Ice Beam will lack the STAB and Drizzle benefits. Dusclops has insane defenses in the first place.

As for the Pokemon I caught, I used the starter, Zigzagoon, Tropius, Castform, and Kyogre. I think I'm forgetting a Pokemon though.

DoubleThink

2008-11-03 05:14:44 am

There's a word for that

Sharpedo?

I meant to spread Ice Beam around the others and use Hydro Pump to (hopefully) OHKO the Dusclops. Ice Beam should 2HKO the Banettes and Sableye, maybe one-hit after a Calm Mind but I doubt it. It might not even matter if Leppa Berries can just be used anyway.

On the other hand, Gold seems to be working, which is very coolness Smiley

DTaeKim

2008-11-03 06:17:38 pm

Yeah, Sharpedo for Waterfall and Dive.

Ascetic Swordsman

2009-02-02 05:40:03 pm

I'm going to do a run of sapphire soon and I'd like some input before I start. Here's my plan for the game.

Poke'mon Sapphire Speed-run Guide

Segment 1

-set battle style to set, message speed to fast, battle animations off
-view intro, give player one character name
-exit truck, enter home, use default time, take potion from pc
-go to rival's home, talk to rival, exit and head to route 101, save in front of briefcase
-estimated time: ~2 minutes

Segment 2

-pick Torchic, soft-reset for lonely/naughty nature and 20/21,13,10,13,10,10/11 stats
-defeat poochyena, give Torchic one character nickname, exit lab, save before grass on route 101
-estimated time: ~3 minutes

Segment 3

-walk to may on route 103 without any encounters, save next to may
-estimated time: ~3 minutes

Segment 4

-defeat May, go to Birch's lab, chat and recieve poke'balls, go to route 101, save before grass
-estimated time: ~6 minutes

Segment 5

-catch a Zigzagoon, head to route 102, save next to Youngster Calvin
-estimated time: ~6 minutes

Segment 6

-defeat Calvin and other trainers on route, skip bug trainer after calvin, grab berries from tree
-go to petalburg gym, wally catches ralts, go to route 103, battle youngster on beach, grab berries
-save near rich boy winston
-estimated time: ~13 minutes

Segment 7

-defeat winston, S/R for rare candy from pick-up, enter forest, save near bug trainer
-estimated time: ~14 minutes

Segment 8

-pass by bug trainer without battling, catch taillow, defeat aqua grunt, save near bug trainer
-estimated time: ~16 minutes

Segment 9

-defeat trainer, S/R rc p-u, grab ether
-exit forest, grab berries, talk to woman for white herb, save near lady cindy
-estimated time: ~17 minutes

Segment 10

-battle cindy, S/R rare candy pick-up
-battle lass haley, head up bridge, grab berries, talk to old woman for chesto berry, go to rustboro
-go to pokemart, purchase 1 X-speed, 9 repels, 2 escape ropes, and 3 super potions
-head to gym, walk around trainers, save in front of roxanne
-estimated time: ~21 minutes

Segment 11

-defeat roxanne, exit gym, head to route 116, stop next to grass, use repel, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 12

-dodge all trainers, enter cave, battle aqua grunt, backtrack to rustboro, recieve items from devon president
-go to briney's house, get ride to dewford, enter gym, save before first trainer
-estimated time: ~

Segment 13

-defeat medicham, S/R ultra ball pick up, head to brawly, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 14

-defeat brawly, head to cave, save inside entrance
-estimated time: ~

Segment 15

-catch abra with ultra ball, use repel
-navigate through cave to steven, deliver letter, exit with escape rope
-sail to slateport, talk to man in building, go to museum
-teach combusken bulk-up and rock tomb, save next to man upstairs
-estimated time: ~

Segment 16

-defeat aqua grunts, deliver package
-head to route 110, use repel before grass, give combusken cheri berry, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 17

-dodge trainer, defeat may, recieve itemfinder, proceed along path, save near next trainer
-estimated time: ~

Segment 18

-dodge trainers, proceed to mauville, enter poke'mart
-purchase 3 super potions, 7 X-Speeds, and 1 X-Accuracy
-enter south-east house, recieve rock smash
-enter bike shop, get mach bike, exit, register mach bike, enter and exit poke'mon centre
-pedal to gym, defeat wally's kirlia, enter gym, stop next to battle girl
-give combusken cheri berry, teach zigzagoon rock smash, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 19

-defeat battle girl, defeat rocker, wattson, exit gym, go north
-use rock smash on rocks, save on other side of rocks
-estimated time: ~

Segment 20

-head north, then west along path avoiding trainers, use repel before entering grass
-enter fiery path south entrance, head to north exit, then head east, then north, then west
-save next to cool trainer brooke on route 113
-estimated time: ~

Segment 21

-defeat brooke, head west along route 113, use repel before entering
-head to fallarbor town, head south to route 114, use repel when needed, then save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 22

-head to and enter meteor falls, view scene, exit, teleport to mauville
-go to mount chimney, save next to first aqua grunt
-estimated time: ~

Segment 23

-battle grunts, stop beside archie, give combusken white herb, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 24

-defeat archie, head to lavaridge, enter gym, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 25

-navigate through gym to flannery, give combusken pecha berry
-recover double kick and rock tomb pp with leppa berries, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 26

-defeat flannery, exit gym, talk to may, buy 11 super repels and 7 super potions from poke'mart
-teleport to mauvile, heal then save outside on bike
-estimated time: ~

Segment 27

-head west to verdanturf, enter rusturf tunnel, use super repel, smash rocks, recieve HM strength
-exit tunnel, head to petalburg gym, fight gym trainers, give combusken chesto berry, save before battling norman
-estmated time: ~

Segment 28

-defeat norman, exit gym, go next door and recieve HM surf from wally's dad
-teach surf to zigzagoon, surf to hidden rare candy, teleport to mauville, save outside on bike
-estimated time: ~

Segment 29

-head east to route 118, use super repel before entering water
-next head north on route 119 to weather institute, deposit abra into pc, use bed to heal, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 30

-defeat team aqua, recieve castform, exit , cross bridge, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 31

-battle may, recieve HM fly, head through fortree town, go to bridge on route 120
-talk to steven, run from kecleon and receive devon scope, return to fortree, enter gym, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 32

-navigate through gym, battle trainers, save before battling winona
-estimated time: ~

Segment 33

-defeat winona, exit gym, head east to route 120, save after entering route
-estimated time: ~

Segment 34

-head through routes 120 and 121, using super repel when necessary
-take chesto and persim berries from trees near safari zone
-enter lilycove, exit, then go to mount pyre, head up, save before battling team aqua
-estimated time: ~

Segment 35

-defeat team aqua, grab rare candy in north-east corner, recieve blue orb, teach taillow fly
-fly to slateport, head northeast to harbor, view scene, enter harbor, watch next scene
-fly to lilycove, go to beach, save south of aqua hideout
-estimated time: ~

Segment 36

-enter aqua hideout, find masterball, defeat aqua admin, exit, use super repel, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 37

-head east, south-east to mossdeep, go to top left house, recieve HM dive
-enter poke'mart, purchase net ball, max repels and hyper potions
-obtain super rod from fisherman, go to beach, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 38

-catch good sharpedo, enter gym, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 39

-navigate gym, give blaziken/sharpedo chesto berries, save before battling Liza and Tate
-estimated time: ~

Segment 40

-defeat liza and tate, exit gym
-go to beach, use super repel, teach sharpedo dive and strength, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 41

-surf to sootopolis, recieve TM brick break from man in top left house
-fly to mossdeep, super repel and save at beach
-estimated time: ~

Segment 42

-surf to seafloor cavern, max repel when necessary, save to avoid team aqua
-estimated time: ~

Segment 43

-navigate through cave to sleeping spot of Kyogre, give blaziken persim berry, save 1 step before kyogre
-estimated time: ~

Segment 44

-defeat archie, fly to sootopolis, go to cave of origin, obtain HM waterfall, save 1 step away from Kyogre
-estimated time: ~

Segment 45

-catch kyogre, S/R for 168 special attack (153 and +special attack nature)
-escape rope out, talk to steven at gym, enter, give kyogre persim berry, switch it with blaziken and save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 46

-navigate through gym, defeat wallace, exit gym, fly to mossdeep, use max repel at beach and save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 47

-surf to ever grande city, use max repel when necessary, give kyogre mystic water
-save inside victory road
-estimated time: ~

Segment 48

-navigate through victory road, defeat wally and any other necessary trainers
-exit victory road and enter poke'mon league, heal up and save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 49

-sweep elite four and steven, win game

Not all of the time estimates are filled because I haven't completed a test run, but I used a similar strategy to get a time of 2:30:42 so I should be able to get sub 2:30 with this modified route.
The only thing I haven't decided on is when to evolve into Blaziken. I can manipulate Rare Candies from pick-up and find others on the way, so I'd like to know the best time to do so. The earliest I can do it is before fighting Norman, and that would only require 1 extra fight.
I should be able to start recording this weekend, or next week if all goes well.

I'm going to do a run of sapphire soon and I'd like some input before I start. Here's my plan for the game.

[spoiler]Poke'mon Sapphire Speed-run Guide

Segment 1

-set battle style to set, message speed to fast, battle animations off
-view intro, give player one character name
-exit truck, enter home, use default time, take potion from pc
-go to rival's home, talk to rival, exit and head to route 101, save in front of briefcase
-estimated time: ~2 minutes

Segment 2

-pick Torchic, soft-reset for lonely/naughty nature and 20/21,13,10,13,10,10/11 stats
-defeat poochyena, give Torchic one character nickname, exit lab, save before grass on route 101
-estimated time: ~3 minutes

Segment 3

-walk to may on route 103 without any encounters, save next to may
-estimated time: ~3 minutes

Segment 4

-defeat May, go to Birch's lab, chat and recieve poke'balls, go to route 101, save before grass	
-estimated time: ~6 minutes

Segment 5

-catch a Zigzagoon, head to route 102, save next to Youngster Calvin
-estimated time: ~6 minutes

Segment 6

-defeat Calvin and other trainers on route, skip bug trainer after calvin, grab berries from tree
-go to petalburg gym, wally catches ralts, go to route 103, battle youngster on beach, grab berries
-save near rich boy winston
-estimated time: ~13 minutes

Segment 7

-defeat winston, S/R for rare candy from pick-up, enter forest, save near bug trainer
-estimated time: ~14 minutes

Segment 8

-pass by bug trainer without battling, catch taillow, defeat aqua grunt, save near bug trainer
-estimated time: ~16 minutes

Segment 9

-defeat trainer, S/R rc p-u, grab ether 
-exit forest, grab berries, talk to woman for white herb, save near lady cindy
-estimated time: ~17 minutes

Segment 10

-battle cindy, S/R rare candy pick-up
-battle lass haley, head up bridge, grab berries, talk to old woman for chesto berry, go to rustboro
-go to pokemart, purchase 1 X-speed, 9 repels, 2 escape ropes, and 3 super potions
-head to gym, walk around trainers, save in front of roxanne
-estimated time: ~21 minutes

Segment 11

-defeat roxanne, exit gym, head to route 116, stop next to grass, use repel, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 12

-dodge all trainers, enter cave, battle aqua grunt, backtrack to rustboro, recieve items from devon president
-go to briney's house, get ride to dewford, enter gym, save before first trainer
-estimated time: ~

Segment 13

-defeat medicham, S/R ultra ball pick up, head to brawly, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 14

-defeat brawly, head to cave, save inside entrance
-estimated time: ~

Segment 15

-catch abra with ultra ball, use repel
-navigate through cave to steven, deliver letter, exit with escape rope
-sail to slateport, talk to man in building, go to museum
-teach combusken bulk-up and rock tomb, save next to man upstairs
-estimated time: ~

Segment 16

-defeat aqua grunts, deliver package
-head to route 110, use repel before grass, give combusken cheri berry, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 17

-dodge trainer, defeat may, recieve itemfinder, proceed along path, save near next trainer
-estimated time: ~

Segment 18

-dodge trainers, proceed to mauville, enter poke'mart
-purchase 3 super potions, 7 X-Speeds, and 1 X-Accuracy
-enter south-east house, recieve rock smash
-enter bike shop, get mach bike, exit, register mach bike, enter and exit poke'mon centre
-pedal to gym, defeat wally's kirlia, enter gym, stop next to battle girl
-give combusken cheri berry, teach zigzagoon rock smash, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 19

-defeat battle girl, defeat rocker, wattson, exit gym, go north
-use rock smash on rocks, save on other side of rocks
-estimated time: ~

Segment 20

-head north, then west along path avoiding trainers, use repel before entering grass
-enter fiery path south entrance, head to north exit, then head east, then north, then west
-save next to cool trainer brooke on route 113
-estimated time: ~

Segment 21

-defeat brooke, head west along route 113, use repel before entering
-head to fallarbor town, head south to route 114, use repel when needed, then save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 22

-head to and enter meteor falls, view scene, exit, teleport to mauville
-go to mount chimney, save next to first aqua grunt
-estimated time: ~

Segment 23
	
-battle grunts, stop beside archie, give combusken white herb, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 24

-defeat archie, head to lavaridge, enter gym, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 25

-navigate through gym to flannery, give combusken pecha berry
-recover double kick and rock tomb pp with leppa berries, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 26

-defeat flannery, exit gym, talk to may, buy 11 super repels and 7 super potions from poke'mart
-teleport to mauvile, heal then save outside on bike
-estimated time: ~

Segment 27

-head west to verdanturf, enter rusturf tunnel, use super repel, smash rocks, recieve HM strength
-exit tunnel, head to petalburg gym, fight gym trainers, give combusken chesto berry, save before battling norman
-estmated time: ~

Segment 28

-defeat norman, exit gym, go next door and recieve HM surf from wally's dad
-teach surf to zigzagoon, surf to hidden rare candy, teleport to mauville, save outside on bike
-estimated time: ~

Segment 29

-head east to route 118, use super repel before entering water
-next head north on route 119 to weather institute, deposit abra into pc, use bed to heal, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 30

-defeat team aqua, recieve castform, exit , cross bridge, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 31

-battle may, recieve HM fly, head through fortree town, go to bridge on route 120
-talk to steven, run from kecleon and receive devon scope, return to fortree, enter gym, save 
-estimated time: ~

Segment 32

-navigate through gym, battle trainers, save before battling winona
-estimated time: ~

Segment 33

-defeat winona, exit gym, head east to route 120, save after entering route
-estimated time: ~

Segment 34

-head through routes 120 and 121, using super repel when necessary
-take chesto and persim berries from trees near safari zone
-enter lilycove, exit, then go to mount pyre, head up, save before battling team aqua	
-estimated time: ~

Segment 35

-defeat team aqua, grab rare candy in north-east corner, recieve blue orb, teach taillow fly
-fly to slateport, head northeast to harbor, view scene, enter harbor, watch next scene
-fly to lilycove, go to beach, save south of aqua hideout
-estimated time: ~

Segment 36

-enter aqua hideout, find masterball, defeat aqua admin, exit, use super repel, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 37

-head east, south-east to mossdeep, go to top left house, recieve HM dive
-enter poke'mart, purchase net ball, max repels and hyper potions
-obtain super rod from fisherman, go to beach, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 38

-catch good sharpedo, enter gym, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 39

-navigate gym, give blaziken/sharpedo chesto berries, save before battling Liza and Tate
-estimated time: ~

Segment 40

-defeat liza and tate, exit gym
-go to beach, use super repel, teach sharpedo dive and strength, save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 41

-surf to sootopolis, recieve TM brick break from man in top left house
-fly to mossdeep, super repel and save at beach
-estimated time: ~

Segment 42

-surf to seafloor cavern, max repel when necessary, save to avoid team aqua
-estimated time: ~

Segment 43

-navigate through cave to sleeping spot of Kyogre, give blaziken persim berry, save 1 step before kyogre
-estimated time: ~

Segment 44

-defeat archie, fly to sootopolis, go to cave of origin, obtain HM waterfall, save 1 step away from Kyogre
-estimated time: ~

Segment 45

-catch kyogre, S/R for 168 special attack (153 and +special attack nature)
-escape rope out, talk to steven at gym, enter, give kyogre persim berry, switch it with blaziken and save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 46

-navigate through gym, defeat wallace, exit gym, fly to mossdeep, use max repel at beach and save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 47

-surf to ever grande city, use max repel when necessary, give kyogre mystic water
-save inside victory road
-estimated time: ~

Segment 48

-navigate through victory road, defeat wally and any other necessary trainers
-exit victory road and enter poke'mon league, heal up and save
-estimated time: ~

Segment 49

-sweep elite four and steven, win game
	[/spoiler]

Not all of the time estimates are filled because I haven't completed a test run, but I used a similar strategy to get a time of 2:30:42 so I should be able to get sub 2:30 with this modified route.
The only thing I haven't decided on is when to evolve into Blaziken. I can manipulate Rare Candies from pick-up and find others on the way, so I'd like to know the best time to do so.  The earliest I can do it is before fighting Norman, and that would only require 1 extra fight.
I should be able to start recording this weekend, or next week if all goes well.

DoubleThink

2009-02-02 08:07:12 pm

There's a word for that

I had a quick look at the plan and it seems pretty sound (White Herb is an interesting idea). I won't say much now because I'm busy + lazy, but you might have some competition when I'm done with Silver Tongue

Ascetic Swordsman

Edit history:

Ascetic Swordsman: 2009-02-02 10:15:40 pm

2009-02-02 08:58:48 pm

Unfortunately in my ruby test run the woman who gives you the white herb isn't there. I think she dosen't show up until a certain point
because she said the flower shop just started selling saplings and she went overboard. If this was my only good idea it means I've contributed nothing. Sad

Also, in my ruby test run, using the sapphire strategy I'm right before the first archie fight with a time of 0:52. I'll post again if I find
out anything else.

edit 1:I checked a guide and it says she appears after beating Wattson. So it could still be useful for the second fight with archie, or on
anything that uses sand attack.

edit 2: Now I've got it figured out. You have to go inside the store and talk to the woman inside. Say yes to her question, exit and the
lady will be there so you can get the white herb. I was about to challenge the petalburg gym so I don't know if this can be done at anytime.

DoubleThink

2009-02-02 10:24:16 pm

There's a word for that

Quote from Ascetic_Swordsman:

If this was my only good idea it means I've contributed nothing. Sad

I didn't mean that >_> Does it neutralise Intimidate? Because that would be extremely useful...
That sounds like a very good time for that point in the game, especially for a test run. You do seem to grab an awful lot of berries though, and with all that segmenting you could probably save a minute or two just by not-getting them and restarting until a given move misses. I can't remember anything too nasty status-wise from my run, or at least not-dying was generally more of a priority. Hmm...
Note to self: Explore the possibilities of Swagger abuse with Persim berries.

Ascetic Swordsman

2009-02-02 10:53:31 pm

The white herb will restore your attack after intimidate.

Acturally you're right, most of the berries can be skipped. They help me get set up easier, but since I'm segmenting I might as well skip them and reset until they miss.
They just take out a little less luck out of it, but since this is a speed-run I should have the opposite goal.

Also, it's very amusing seeing Archie's Mightyena use swagger on me and have the confusion cured right away. Smiley

For an extra treat, here's how I planned to win most of my battles.

May

-2HKO mudkip with 2 critical hits from scratch
-odds of getting 2 critical hits and both tackles missing: 1 in 100400

Roxanne

-double kick geodude for OHKO
-double kick nosepass for 2HKO, OHKO if critical

Brawly

-double kick machop and makuhita for 2HKO
-can beat both with OHKO, odds are 1 in 65536

May V2

-Bulk-up, then X-speed, sweep with double kick

Wattson

-use X-speed, bulk-up if necessary, sweep with double kick

Archie

-use bulk-up, X-Speed, double kick mightyena, rock tomb golbat, double kick carvanha

Flannery

-bulk-up twice, double kick both slugmas, rock tomb torkoal

Norman

-bulk-up, super potion, bulk-up, bulk-up, super potion, bulk-up, bulk-up, super potion, sweep with double kick

May V3

-blaze kick shroomish, double kick marshtomp and numel

Winona

-bulk-up twice, use double kick on swellow and hope it hits
-blaze kick skarmory, rock-tomb altaria and pelipper
-OR, if blaziken can KO all with 1 bulk-up, use bulk-up and X-Accuracy
-OR, use X-Accuracy and dire hit, hope for criticals on all of them
-odds of four criticals: 1 in 4096
-I have no idea how to do this with combusken, it's too risky

Liza and Tate

-blaziken uses bulk-up, sharpedo screeches lunatone
-blaziken double-kicks lunatone, sharpedo screeches solrock
-blaziken double-kicks solrock
-OR, a strong sharpedo OHKO's both sun and moon with a critical hit from crunch
-in that case, blaziken can weaken one enough with two double-kicks enough not to need a critical hit
-go for lunatone first since it can always OHKO blaziken with psychic
-OR, Sharpedo uses surf powered up by mystic water, castform rain dances, Sharpedo double KO's with surf

Archie V2

-let zigzagoon get KO'ed, then use X-Speed on blaziken while mightyena swaggers it
-brick break mightyena, rock tomb crobat, brick break sharpedo

Wallace

-Kyogre: calm mind, sweep with shock wave, surf on whiscash

Wally

-kyogre uses ice beam on altaria and roselia, surf on the rest

Sidney

-calm mind, surf, ice beam and shock wave

Phoebe

-have kyogre sweep with surf, calm mind first if necessary

Glacia

-calm mind twice, sweep with surf and shock wave

Drake

-use X-Speed, sweep with ice beam

Steven

-sweep with surf

The white herb will restore your attack after intimidate.

Acturally you're right, most of the berries can be skipped. They help me get set up easier, but since I'm segmenting I might as well skip them and reset until they miss.
They just take out a little less luck out of it, but since this is a speed-run I should have the opposite goal.

Also, it's very amusing seeing Archie's Mightyena use swagger on me and have the confusion cured right away. :)

For an extra treat, here's how I planned to win most of my battles.
[spoiler]May

-2HKO mudkip with 2 critical hits from scratch
-odds of getting 2 critical hits and both tackles missing: 1 in 100400

Roxanne

-double kick geodude for OHKO
-double kick nosepass for 2HKO, OHKO if critical

Brawly

-double kick machop and makuhita for 2HKO
-can beat both with OHKO, odds are 1 in 65536

May V2

-Bulk-up, then X-speed, sweep with double kick

Wattson

-use X-speed, bulk-up if necessary, sweep with double kick

Archie

-use bulk-up, X-Speed, double kick mightyena, rock tomb golbat, double kick carvanha

Flannery

-bulk-up twice, double kick both slugmas, rock tomb torkoal

Norman

-bulk-up, super potion, bulk-up, bulk-up, super potion, bulk-up, bulk-up, super potion, sweep with double kick

May V3

-blaze kick shroomish, double kick marshtomp and numel

Winona

-bulk-up twice, use double kick on swellow and hope it hits
-blaze kick skarmory, rock-tomb altaria and pelipper
-OR, if blaziken can KO all with 1 bulk-up, use bulk-up and X-Accuracy
-OR, use X-Accuracy and dire hit, hope for criticals on all of them
-odds of four criticals: 1 in 4096
-I have no idea how to do this with combusken, it's too risky

Liza and Tate

-blaziken uses bulk-up, sharpedo screeches lunatone
-blaziken double-kicks lunatone, sharpedo screeches solrock
-blaziken double-kicks solrock
-OR, a strong sharpedo OHKO's both sun and moon with a critical hit from crunch
-in that case, blaziken can weaken one enough with two double-kicks enough not to need a critical hit
-go for lunatone first since it can always OHKO blaziken with psychic
-OR, Sharpedo uses surf powered up by mystic water, castform rain dances, Sharpedo double KO's with surf

Archie V2

-let zigzagoon get KO'ed, then use X-Speed on blaziken while mightyena swaggers it
-brick break mightyena, rock tomb crobat, brick break sharpedo

Wallace

-Kyogre: calm mind, sweep with shock wave, surf on whiscash

Wally

-kyogre uses ice beam on altaria and roselia, surf on the rest

Sidney

-calm mind, surf, ice beam and shock wave

Phoebe

-have kyogre sweep with surf, calm mind first if necessary

Glacia

-calm mind twice, sweep with surf and shock wave

Drake

-use X-Speed, sweep with ice beam

Steven

-sweep with surf	[/spoiler]

Toothache

2009-02-03 03:32:07 pm

Let the music play!

Hey, glad to see someone is finally doing a run of RS. I'm having oodles of fun trying to manipulate crits for my Colosseum speedrun, so I'll follow the progress of this with care. Good luck with it

Idkbutlike2

2009-02-03 03:52:02 pm

Ascetic_Swordsman, there's a much simpler, and fool proof way of beating the Pokemon league, I've done this hundreds of times over without failure:

Sydney: Use Blaziken's Sky Uppercut over and over on all of his Pokemon

Phoebe: Surf and Hydro Pump the whole way through

Glacia: Sky Uppercut again

Drake: Ice beam, over and over with Kyogre

Steven: Take out Aggron and Skarmory with Blaziken's sky uppercut, and the rest with Kyogre's Surf and Hydro Pump.

Toothache

2009-02-03 04:29:23 pm

Let the music play!

Sky Uppercut on Skarmory? I'd rather use a special attack on it, since it has double the Defence stat (140 vs 70 base) and is not weak to any physical moves either. If you manage to squeeze a Fire move onto Blaziken, even with an Adamant nature it will be worth it. Failing that, stick with any non-resisted special move (Surf/Hydro Pump from Kyogre out to do it, in your case.) Aggron, even with its higher Def over Skarmory does have a 4x fighting weakness, so a Sky Uppercut would be a valid choice here if PP is an issue.

Ascetic Swordsman

2009-02-03 04:50:13 pm

Blaziken dosen't learn sky uppercut until level 59, and it's at level 40-42 when I make it to evergrande city. I've tested it out, and Blaziken can beat sidney with just an X-Speed to outrun sharpedo and sweep with Brick Break. Glacia needs two bulk-ups and an X-Speed for a guaranteed sweep. I think it's easier to stick with kyogre exclusively after catching it just so it can get some extra experience. If I can get a torchic with Hidden Power Ice 70, it might be possible to use just it and skip catching kyogre. That's pretty unlikely though.