Pokemon Emerald speedrun :-)

2006-11-15 01:39:42 am

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2. After getting the Devon Scope, I went ahead and went to Mt. Pyre and defeated Team Aqua, then teleported back to Fortree. This, along with the 3 Rare Candies, allowed Marshtomp to evolve into Swampert before the 6th gym.

Interesting. I didn't think of that.

Gob_Bluth

2006-12-01 12:46:54 am

fluff, can you post what levels your pokemon are when you face a gym leader and when you face the elite 4?

jigpuff, can you do the same?

I have no clue if i'm under-leveling or over-leveling.

DTaeKim

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DTaeKim: 2006-12-11 01:47:44 am

2006-12-10 07:43:08 am

While this topic is for Pokemon Emerald discussion, I decided to run Pokemon Sapphire through an emulator.

Using Torchic, I managed a time of 2:38 on the emulator. I highly doubt that I improved my time by an hour since I followed the exact same route, so my memory must have been faulty. This means my final time on that recorded run was 2:52 as was initially posted.

In any case, I was 11 minutes behind the run posted earlier. The difference between the two Pokemon leads me to believe that Mudkip may be the faster Pokemon after all, but I need to figure out how he managed past the second Rival battle and Norman. I have an idea that Bulk Up was used extensively against Norman, but I have no idea if Absorb will OHKO Marshtomp or not.

It's back to the emulator for the second test run.

EDIT: Marshtomp can't learn Bulk Up. My second guess would be that a lot of X-Attack and X-Defend were used in those two battles, which would cause a monetary crunch. Unless that guy returns and explains how he did those two battles aside from many restarts, I'm probably going to stick with Torchic as the starter.

While this topic is for Pokemon Emerald discussion, I decided to run Pokemon Sapphire through an emulator.

Using Torchic, I managed a time of 2:38 on the emulator.  I highly doubt that I improved my time by an hour since I followed the exact same route, so my memory must have been faulty.  This means my final time on that recorded run was 2:52 as was initially posted.

In any case, I was 11 minutes behind the run posted earlier.  The difference between the two Pokemon leads me to believe that Mudkip may be the faster Pokemon after all, but I need to figure out how he managed past the second Rival battle and Norman.  I have an idea that Bulk Up was used extensively against Norman, but I have no idea if Absorb will OHKO Marshtomp or not.

It's back to the emulator for the second test run.

EDIT: Marshtomp can't learn Bulk Up.  My second guess would be that a lot of X-Attack and X-Defend were used in those two battles, which would cause a monetary crunch.  Unless that guy returns and explains how he did those two battles aside from many restarts, I'm probably going to stick with Torchic as the starter.

fluffyflyingpig

2006-12-13 03:17:09 am

Sorry, finals. =\

Umm, you don't do any unforced fights after the first gym, so I don't really remember levels offhand. You can do the forced fights to the right of the third gym and the mt pyre fights before the gym fights out of order to make the gyms easier.

I still haven't had time to look at this again. Waiting till finals end tomorrow.

Miles

2006-12-13 11:34:16 pm

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While this topic is for Pokemon Emerald discussion, I decided to run Pokemon Sapphire through an emulator.

Using Torchic, I managed a time of 2:38 on the emulator. I highly doubt that I improved my time by an hour since I followed the exact same route, so my memory must have been faulty. This means my final time on that recorded run was 2:52 as was initially posted.

In any case, I was 11 minutes behind the run posted earlier. The difference between the two Pokemon leads me to believe that Mudkip may be the faster Pokemon after all, but I need to figure out how he managed past the second Rival battle and Norman. I have an idea that Bulk Up was used extensively against Norman, but I have no idea if Absorb will OHKO Marshtomp or not.

It's back to the emulator for the second test run.

EDIT: Marshtomp can't learn Bulk Up. My second guess would be that a lot of X-Attack ~~and X-Defend~~ were used in those two battles, which would cause a monetary crunch. Unless that guy returns and explains how he did those two battles aside from many restarts, I'm probably going to stick with Torchic as the starter.

Rival: Use an X-Speed and X-Attack, then 2HKO it with Mud Shot.
Norman: Abuse Swagger. Although you can't get Swagger in R/S, so a replacement would be needed...

For the X-Attacks and X-Speeds, I fought Rich Boy Winston (which was necessary anyway to be at level 10 before the 1st gym), grabbed Bullet Seed, then sold it and Rock Tomb to have enough money. Rock Tomb might be needed in R/S, though, as I used Rollout instead for Winona, which isn't available there.

[quote]While this topic is for Pokemon Emerald discussion, I decided to run Pokemon Sapphire through an emulator.

Using Torchic, I managed a time of 2:38 on the emulator.  I highly doubt that I improved my time by an hour since I followed the exact same route, so my memory must have been faulty.  This means my final time on that recorded run was 2:52 as was initially posted.

In any case, I was 11 minutes behind the run posted earlier.  The difference between the two Pokemon leads me to believe that Mudkip may be the faster Pokemon after all, but I need to figure out how he managed past the second Rival battle and Norman.  I have an idea that Bulk Up was used extensively against Norman, but I have no idea if Absorb will OHKO Marshtomp or not.

It's back to the emulator for the second test run.

EDIT: Marshtomp can't learn Bulk Up.  My second guess would be that a lot of X-Attack [s]and X-Defend[/s] were used in those two battles, which would cause a monetary crunch.  Unless that guy returns and explains how he did those two battles aside from many restarts, I'm probably going to stick with Torchic as the starter.[/quote]
Rival: Use an X-Speed and X-Attack, then 2HKO it with Mud Shot.
Norman:  Abuse Swagger.  Although you can't get Swagger in R/S, so a replacement would be needed...

For the X-Attacks and X-Speeds, I fought Rich Boy Winston (which was necessary anyway to be at level 10 before the 1st gym), grabbed Bullet Seed, then sold it and Rock Tomb to have enough money.  Rock Tomb might be needed in R/S, though, as I used Rollout instead for Winona, which isn't available there.

vincent robert helmreich

2007-01-21 12:55:37 am

cool

8)

:-[

:-/

Gob_Bluth

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Gob_Bluth: 2007-04-26 03:56:45 pm

2007-04-23 06:11:45 pm

Here's an emulated speedrun of Sapphire:
http://tasvideos.org/801M.html

I'm offering $60 for the person who submits an Emerald run to SDA:
http://speeddemosarchive.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=main;action=display;num=1172435272

Cygnus

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Cygnus: 2007-04-24 03:21:49 am

2007-04-24 03:21:29 am

Ben Goldberg

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I'm offering $45 for the person who submits an Emerald run to SDA

Would Sapphire do?

FractalFusion

2007-04-24 06:00:15 am

Just for information, there is a movie in submission that has beaten the published movie by 12 minutes:
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5365

And I have the feeling that people hate to do this run because they keep bombing the run on random-looking trainers. It's very easy to get by them: when you run near them, they always try to look in the direction closest to your position, and when you walk, they don't. So run to make them look away from where you want to go, then walk by them.

Gob_Bluth

2007-04-26 03:56:30 pm

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Would Sapphire do?

No, it would have to be Emerald.
Sapphire's already been done on TAS.
Also, I prefer watching an Emerald run over a Ruby/Sapphire run.

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Just for information, there is a movie in submission that has beaten the published movie by 12 minutes:
http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5365

And I have the feeling that people hate to do this run because they keep bombing the run on random-looking trainers. It's very easy to get by them: when you run near them, they always try to look in the direction closest to your position, and when you walk, they don't. So run to make them look away from where you want to go, then walk by them.

Yeah I was surprised that the Sapphire run I gave a link to was not avoiding trainers when he could have; I just figured that he wanted to battle those trainers for experience points.

Increased my bounty from $45 to $60 for an Emerald run.

yoshmaster5

2007-06-19 10:23:20 pm

Also tenkiforecast

Alright, I know this is reviving an ancient topic, but I have done a quasi-speed run on Sapphrie, to get to Kyogre ASAP to get a good nature, good IV one.

Turns out choosing Torchic is hellish for some of the gyms. Specifically, Winoa and Tate&Liza. The latter espically... good lord. Psychic from Lunatone was a OHKO, so I had to use insane luck to win... Swampert would probalby be better for the gyms, in general.

DTaeKim

2007-06-20 03:52:49 am

I didn't have much of a problem with Winona. Bulk Up tends to increase your defense enough to survive and your offense enough to score a OHKO with some moves.

Tate & Liza? Catch a Sharpedo with the Super Rod.

I remember using Double Kick + Surf to defeat the two.

Altair2

2009-03-10 06:54:10 am

Anybody still doing this, I would love to see one speedrun of Pokemon Emerald.

Altair2

2009-03-10 06:55:47 am

I think mudkip would be way better though... for starter.
any latest route revisions...?

Altair2

2009-03-14 04:12:50 pm

Bump?

UltimateDarius

2009-03-16 12:50:51 pm

Back in the game!

Quote from Altair2:

Bump?

I am not a mod.

That being said, this is not Gamefaqs. Please don't bump a topic with a simple "bump." At least post some relevant information or an intelligent question. Thank you.

Ascetic Swordsman

2009-03-29 08:18:38 pm

Before I post any relevant information, let me just say this. I am not at the moment planning an emerald run. I probably will do one someday, just after Ruby and Sapphire are complete.

I believe either mudkip or torchic can beat any of their games, it just depends on the skill and luck of the runner. Different pokemon are separate categories anyway, so for the moment it doesn't matter which is better. Mudkip is definitely faster at first, then gets tougher by Norman. Torchic has a tough start, but then gets pretty easy if you know what you're doing. I'm working on a plan for Sapphire to simplify Torchic's start, but for now it looks like rare candy manipulation is the only way to go. Otherwise, it's too underlevelled and can't catch up without costing too much time, or without a lot more luck than is needed to get three rare candies. If I am successful, it would make torchic easier to use in emerald since it gives it a better start.

Now that that's out of the way, here's my idea that I had first considered it for sapphire, but it's too far out of the way. I also just realized it only minutes ago. Go to mirage island for the liechi berry. Hey, wait, where are you going! I'm serious, at least a little. I don't know if it's been brought up before though. I admit, the odds of mirage island appearing are slim. In emerald though, you do have to go to Pacifidlog, so it's not out of the way much. One liechi berry might not seem like much at first. If you plant it and water it at every stage it only yields two berries. You could always plant those two and get four berries. If you get the white herb from the flower shop then the watering can is only a slight detour.

Wynauts also appear from level 5-50. If you catch a high level one, evolve it with a rare candy then you have a strong Wobbuffet. Mirror coat/counter/destiny bond/Safeguard has got to be useful somewhere, right?

That's my idea. Feel free to mock me for it now.

Before I post any relevant information, let me just say this.  I am not at the moment planning an emerald run.  I probably will do one someday, just after Ruby and Sapphire are complete.

I believe either mudkip or torchic can beat any of their games, it just depends on the skill and luck of the runner.  Different pokemon are separate categories anyway, so for the moment it doesn't matter which is better.  Mudkip is definitely faster at first, then gets tougher by Norman.  Torchic has a tough start, but then gets pretty easy if you know what you're doing.  I'm working on a plan for Sapphire to simplify Torchic's start, but for now it looks like rare candy manipulation is the only way to go.  Otherwise, it's too underlevelled and can't catch up without costing too much time, or without a lot more luck than is needed to get three rare candies.  If I am successful, it would make torchic easier to use in emerald since it gives it a better start.

Now that that's out of the way, here's my idea that I had first considered it for sapphire, but it's too far out of the way.  I also just realized it only minutes ago.  Go to mirage island for the liechi berry.  Hey, wait, where are you going!  I'm serious, at least a little.  I don't know if it's been brought up before though.  I admit, the odds of mirage island appearing are slim.  In emerald though, you do have to go to Pacifidlog, so it's not out of the way much.  One liechi berry might not seem like much at first.  If you plant it and water it at every stage it only yields two berries.  You could always plant those two and get four berries.  If you get the white herb from the flower shop then the watering can is only a slight detour.

Wynauts also appear from level 5-50.  If you catch a high level one, evolve it with a rare candy then you have a strong Wobbuffet.  Mirror coat/counter/destiny bond/Safeguard has got to be useful somewhere, right?

That's my idea.  Feel free to mock me for it now.

ForteGS

2009-03-30 01:04:10 am

Bring me the flaming voodoo canonball!

After stopping the "Groudon/Kyogre" fued, you could simply fly to pacifidlog and climb the tower to capture Rayquaza.
Then use Rayquaza to sweep the 8th gym and E4+Champion. (Walace's Whiscash would require 2 outrages unless an item is used to boost it's power. Perhaps Watson's TM for most of Walace's pokemon?)
So a Wobbuffet would not really be needed.

Ascetic Swordsman

2009-03-30 01:28:03 am

If I was planning an emerald speed run, I might not catch Rayquaza. I know from experience that Blaziken can beat Wallace, Sidney and Glacia in Sapphire with just bulk-up and two x-speeds, one for Sidney to outrun sharpedo (base 95) and the other for Glacia's Glalies, who have the same base speed as blaziken, but are at a higher level.

Just because Rayquaza comes at level 70 and has godly attack stats doesn't mean it's faster than the starter. If Blaziken/Swampert can beat All the bosses in the game with just a bit of set-up, why not use them? Is the time it takes to catch rayquaza really faster than the time it takes to use an x-attack, bulk-up or x-speed? They may be a bit underlevelled, but the aforementioned move and items takes care of that. As for wobbuffet, with counter/mirror coat it can take down one opponent and with a quick claw use destiny bond to take down another. Do you know how funny it would be if wobb actually beat the elite four on it's own? You'd need some max potions to heal in battle. Encore could also be used to help blaziken/swampert set-up unhindered. Safeguard can also prevent status.

I haven't looked into any places where this or the berry could help. I just believe that all possibilities should be considered no matter how ridiculous they seem. I also feel that I have to defend my ideas, no matter how crazy they are.

If I was planning an emerald speed run, I might not catch Rayquaza.  I know from experience that Blaziken can beat Wallace, Sidney and Glacia in Sapphire with just bulk-up and two x-speeds, one for Sidney to outrun sharpedo (base 95) and the other for Glacia's Glalies, who have the same base speed as blaziken, but are at a higher level.

Just because Rayquaza comes at level 70 and has godly attack stats doesn't mean it's faster than the starter.  If Blaziken/Swampert can beat All the bosses in the game with just a bit of set-up, why not use them?  Is the time it takes to catch rayquaza really faster than the time it takes to use an x-attack, bulk-up or x-speed?  They may be a bit underlevelled, but the aforementioned move and items takes care of that.  As for wobbuffet, with counter/mirror coat it can take down one opponent and with a quick claw use destiny bond to take down another.  Do you know how funny it would be if wobb actually beat the elite four on it's own?  You'd need some max potions to heal in battle.  Encore could also be used to help blaziken/swampert set-up unhindered.  Safeguard can also prevent status.

I haven't looked into any places where this or the berry could help.  I just believe that all possibilities should be considered no matter how ridiculous they seem.  I also feel that I have to defend my ideas, no matter how crazy they are.

DTaeKim

2009-04-01 06:36:39 am

Considering Rayquaza is forced anyway, you're not losing much time by capturing him. I recall hearing that Outrage demolishes everything in the Elite Four.

Also, I don't know if Torchic is as good of a choice for the Elite Four thanks to the change in the Champion. Remember that it's Wallace now, not Steven.

ForteGS

2009-04-01 10:10:06 am

Bring me the flaming voodoo canonball!

Quote from DTaeKim:

Considering Rayquaza is forced anyway, you're not losing much time by capturing him. I recall hearing that Outrage demolishes everything in the Elite Four.

Also, I don't know if Torchic is as good of a choice for the Elite Four thanks to the change in the Champion. Remember that it's Wallace now, not Steven.

Rayquaza is not a forced battle.

Groudon + Kyogre fight
You go to top of tower, Rayquaza flies to Sootapolis, when you get there he will scare away Kyogre + Groudon
Climb tower again for an optional Rayquaza battle.

Yes, Rayquaza can sweep almost every E4 pokemon except Whishcash (and Milotic?) which takes 2 outrages (unless you use rare candies and other drugs on him)

Miles

2009-04-01 11:06:24 am

Quote from Ascetic Swordsman:

I think a run shouldn't go out of the way to catch Rayquaza.

Quote from Ascetic Swordsman:

I think a run should go out of the way to catch a Wynaut and evolve it into a Wobbuffet.

Uh... >_>

Ascetic Swordsman

2009-04-01 04:28:17 pm

Quote from Jigpuff:

Quote from Ascetic Swordsman:

I think a run shouldn't go out of the way to catch Rayquaza.

Quote from Ascetic Swordsman:

I think a run should go out of the way to catch a Wynaut and evolve it into a Wobbuffet.

Uh... >_>

It sounds pretty funny when you put it like that. Having a Liechi berry too would be nice. Going to mirage island was a crazy idea anyway. I still think it's faster to go with the starter only and not catch Rayquaza. It would be difficult but it could be done. Also, I'm pretty sure a high level wynaut can be caught faster than Rayquaza. Chances are though that no one will try to go to mirage island. If it was me doing the run I'd probably catch Rayquaza anyway just to get a good one. It would also be a lot easier than trying to get the starter to win against the elite four and wallace too.

I guess what I'm saying is if you want to take the easy way out go ahead and catch Rayquaza. If you're willing to put in some extra work and do some more testing to make sure Blaziken/Swampert can win then you could potentially save more time. I shouldn't be critical though because I don't have much experience with emerald speed-running. That's just based off my experiences with Sapphire. Then again if people only posted information that they knew was correct because they tested it extensively, how many posts would there actually be?

[quote="Jigpuff"]
[quote="Ascetic Swordsman"]
I think a run shouldn't go out of the way to catch Rayquaza.[/quote]

[quote="Ascetic Swordsman"]
I think a run should go out of the way to catch a Wynaut and evolve it into a Wobbuffet.[/quote]

Uh... >_>
[/quote]

It sounds pretty funny when you put it like that.  Having a Liechi berry too would be nice.  Going to mirage island was a crazy idea anyway.  I still think it's faster to go with the starter only and not catch Rayquaza.  It would be difficult but it could be done.  Also, I'm pretty sure a high level wynaut can be caught faster than Rayquaza.  Chances are though that no one will try to go to mirage island.  If it was me doing the run I'd probably catch Rayquaza anyway just to get a good one.  It would also be a lot easier than trying to get the starter to win against the elite four and wallace too.

I guess what I'm saying is if you want to take the easy way out go ahead and catch Rayquaza.  If you're willing to put in some extra work and do some more testing to make sure Blaziken/Swampert can win then you could potentially save more time.  I shouldn't be critical though because I don't have much experience with emerald speed-running.  That's just based off my experiences with Sapphire.  Then again if people only posted information that they knew was correct because they tested it extensively, how many posts would there actually be?

DoubleThink

2009-04-01 08:39:09 pm

There's a word for that

Rayquaza's Outrage pulls about the same damage as Kyogre's Hydro Pump in Sapphire (not even kidding), and the damage doesn't 'grow' as quickly because RayQ obviously takes longer to level up. It gets Brick Break and Earthquake, which give good coverage, but aside from Whiscash (how does it take out Milotic etc. if Whiscash can survive?) I can see Phoebe's Dusclops just surviving Outrage too. As for using the starters, Blaziken will have troubles with Phoebe and Juan and BIG troubles with Drake and Wallace, as well as being forced to fight a few Camerupts along the way, while Swampert just doesn't have as much sweeping power. However, I'm sure I remember at least a couple of mandatory double battles that aren't Liza and Tate or the one with Steven, as well as there being a lot more exp and easier battles in general, so it might actually be plausible to use something other than the starter in this version.

Also, will this game end after beating the E4, or will Steven need to be defeated similar to how Ash is in GSC? He shouldn't be THAT hard with a matching-level Rayquaza to take him on with, but if this is the case then it'll basically be mandatory to finish the run.

Rayquaza's Outrage pulls about the same damage as Kyogre's Hydro Pump in Sapphire (not even kidding), and the damage doesn't 'grow' as quickly because RayQ obviously takes longer to level up. It gets Brick Break and Earthquake, which give good coverage, but aside from Whiscash (how does it take out Milotic etc. if Whiscash can survive?) I can see Phoebe's Dusclops just surviving Outrage too. As for using the starters, Blaziken will have troubles with Phoebe and Juan and BIG troubles with Drake and Wallace, as well as being forced to fight a few Camerupts along the way, while Swampert just doesn't have as much sweeping power. [b]However[/b], I'm sure I remember at least a couple of mandatory double battles that aren't Liza and Tate or the one with Steven, as well as there being a lot more exp and easier battles in general, so it might actually be plausible to use something other than the starter in this version.

Also, will this game end after beating the E4, or will Steven need to be defeated similar to how Ash is in GSC? He shouldn't be THAT hard with a matching-level Rayquaza to take him on with, but if this is the case then it'll basically be mandatory to finish the run.

Miles

2009-04-01 08:55:04 pm

Quote from DoubleThink:

Rayquaza's Outrage pulls about the same damage as Kyogre's Hydro Pump in Sapphire (not even kidding), and the damage doesn't 'grow' as quickly because RayQ obviously takes longer to level up. It gets Brick Break and Earthquake, which give good coverage, but aside from Whiscash (how does it take out Milotic etc. if Whiscash can survive?) I can see Phoebe's Dusclops just surviving Outrage too. As for using the starters, Blaziken will have troubles with Phoebe and Juan and BIG troubles with Drake and Wallace, as well as being forced to fight a few Camerupts along the way, while Swampert just doesn't have as much sweeping power. However, I'm sure I remember at least a couple of mandatory double battles that aren't Liza and Tate or the one with Steven, as well as there being a lot more exp and easier battles in general, so it might actually be plausible to use something other than the starter in this version.

Also, will this game end after beating the E4, or will Steven need to be defeated similar to how Ash is in GSC? He shouldn't be THAT hard with a matching-level Rayquaza to take him on with, but if this is the case then it'll basically be mandatory to finish the run.

Nothing happens when you defeat Steven, so no. (unlike GSC, where the credits played... and it was after you went through 8 more gyms)

[quote="DoubleThink"]
Rayquaza's Outrage pulls about the same damage as Kyogre's Hydro Pump in Sapphire (not even kidding), and the damage doesn't 'grow' as quickly because RayQ obviously takes longer to level up. It gets Brick Break and Earthquake, which give good coverage, but aside from Whiscash (how does it take out Milotic etc. if Whiscash can survive?) I can see Phoebe's Dusclops just surviving Outrage too. As for using the starters, Blaziken will have troubles with Phoebe and Juan and BIG troubles with Drake and Wallace, as well as being forced to fight a few Camerupts along the way, while Swampert just doesn't have as much sweeping power. [b]However[/b], I'm sure I remember at least a couple of mandatory double battles that aren't Liza and Tate or the one with Steven, as well as there being a lot more exp and easier battles in general, so it might actually be plausible to use something other than the starter in this version.

Also, will this game end after beating the E4, or will Steven need to be defeated similar to how Ash is in GSC? He shouldn't be THAT hard with a matching-level Rayquaza to take him on with, but if this is the case then it'll basically be mandatory to finish the run.
[/quote]

Nothing happens when you defeat Steven, so no. (unlike GSC, where the credits played... and it was after you went through 8 more gyms)