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Samoht: 2009-06-25 09:14:03 am

2009-06-25 09:07:25 am

I just tested out savewarping vs. owl, and savewarping appears to be slightly faster

For owl method I started from scarecrow and ended at market bridge (I went through text quickly enough). My time was 1:23.

For savewarp method I started at Link's house and ended at market bridge (There was obviously no ocarina cutscene or Hyrule field cutscene, and the owl wasn't there. It takes about 18 seconds to get from inside house to the position for ESS. Also, I used MrGrunz' video for the glitch, and at 0:10 I added 5 seconds for the time it should take to get out of the circle. It took 45 seconds to get from lost woods bridge to market bridge. So the total time is 1:18.

Also, with a split segment there can be more optimization. Maybe its faster to use peahat damage ESS?

EDIT: and sorry to cosmo that his trick was outdated. It was a really genius discovery and cool that there was finally a way to leave the forest early, and when AKA/Kazooie found DoT skip it was very useful. At least it can be used in a low%. One more thing, is there something special you have to do to talk to the guard while ESSing? I can't get it.

OOT SUB 1:00 HERE WE COME!

I just tested out savewarping vs. owl, and savewarping appears to be slightly faster

For owl method I started from scarecrow and ended at market bridge (I went through text quickly enough). My time was 1:23.

For savewarp method I started at Link's house and ended at market bridge (There was obviously no ocarina cutscene or Hyrule field cutscene, and the owl wasn't there. It takes about 18 seconds to get from inside house to the position for ESS. Also, I used MrGrunz' video for the glitch, and at 0:10 I added 5 seconds for the time it should take to get out of the circle. It took 45 seconds to get from lost woods bridge to market bridge. So the total time is 1:18.

Also, with a split segment there can be more optimization. Maybe its faster to use peahat damage ESS?

EDIT: and sorry to cosmo that his trick was outdated. It was a really genius discovery and cool that there was finally a way to leave the forest early, and when AKA/Kazooie found DoT skip it was very useful. At least it can be used in a low%. One more thing, is there something special you have to do to talk to the guard while ESSing? I can't get it.

OOT SUB 1:00 HERE WE COME!

MrGrunz

2009-06-25 01:01:43 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

you have to cancel the slide
then you talk to the guy

I'm going to time the savewarp thing myself again

MrGrunz

2009-06-25 01:27:24 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

ok, I timed it and the save warp saves 19 seconds, what makes the whole thing even quicker Wink

Samoht

2009-06-25 01:38:15 pm

Quote from MrGrunz:

you have to cancel the slide
then you talk to the guy

Oh. Thanks, I didn't realize that.

Quote from MrGrunz:

ok, I timed it and the save warp saves 19 seconds, what makes the whole thing even quicker Wink

Oops, I forgot I was supposed to start the timing from once you get the bottle :P. So ruto's bottle is faster than Kakariko, right?

Spider-Waffle

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2009-06-25 02:13:46 pm

Don't think! feeeeeal

Wow, great stuff guys. So is old strat still faster for TAS? What exactly makes the old strat so fast when TASed, but not this new strat? Wouldn't a TAS want to save warp also instead of using owl even more because they have wait so long for day?

And is getting deku sticks not worth it for just first owl skip?

MrGrunz

2009-06-25 03:19:21 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

some stuff, why it is slower for a TAS:
Completely different and much quicker way to get the shield, 2 nut hover, insane luck manipulation with the coccus and the peahats, Owl skip at all 3 owls and some more stuff

A TAS can't save warp, because escaping again with the hover way takes way too much time.

It takes longer to get the stick than it saves at the owl. Remember, we meet only 1 owl with the new and not 3. Owl skip would be also just another hard trick

Samoht

2009-06-25 03:35:56 pm

lol, I was doing ESS and I accidentally went into an acute angle created by Mido's house and fell into the void. It doesn't work with jumpslash.

Runnerguy2489

2009-06-25 05:02:55 pm

I'm not your buddy, guay!

Ok this looks good. Just want to be clear about it before I jump ship:

OLD WAY:
Seg 2: 1:14
Seg 3: :52
Seg 4 to Market (estimated): 9:40 - :30 (estimated savings) = 9:10
Total: 11:16

NEW WAY:
Seg 2: 1:10 (you won't have to get the extra rupees but you do need to equip the sword here)
Seg 3: Escape -> Hylia -> Ruto Bottle -> Save: Huh?

Seg 4: Escape again -> Go to market: Huh?

Grunz said no savewarp way was 10:00, and save warping saves 19, so that would make 3 and 4 combined for 9:41.
Total: 10:51

Improvement: 25 more seconds! Grin

Question: If you kill the kokiri guy and save, does he come back? I assume he would. Wishful thinking that he wouldn't as it would save even more time.

If this is confirmed, I also want to do a full play through, to make sure everything works out. I know the fisherman text is longer but I'm not sure how long. I also want to make sure nothing else unexpected happens along the way.

Maxx

2009-06-26 01:33:32 am

Quote from MrGrunz:

you have to cancel the slide
then you talk to the guy

I'm going to time the savewarp thing myself again

OK, I've tried about 30 times now and I never can clip into the guy. How are you cancelling the slide?

Runnerguy2489

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Runnerguy2489: 2009-06-26 09:10:23 am

2009-06-26 08:57:53 am

I'm not your buddy, guay!

Yeah I'm struggling with it too. Am I right in thinking that it's actually the little juke move you do at the end of an ESS that gets you through him? If you've done lots of ESS's, you probably know the little jitter I'm talking about. If not, start an ESS, then while you are moving backwards, immediately try and do a sidehop or some kind of quick jerk of the joystick. You should see what I mean. I think it has to do with getting that energy to go right into him, and I can't figure it out yet. Also, when Grunz got right up behind him in the video, Speak was already on the action icon, and I have yet to see it in my attempts.

Also, since these are my first water jumpslash ESS's, they are a bit different than the ones after a superslide. For one, it feels a lot faster. Maybe it's because I'm in a small area like Kokiri forest compared to hyrule field, or that it seems slower because I just got done with a superslide, but it seems to go quicker. They also have a much much larger turning radius for when you switch direction, and you can spin in circles forever.

EDIT: Actually it may not be the juke move that does it, but just absolute correct positioning makes Link take a step backwards to talk to the guy instead of forward. I still don't see "speak" at all during my ESS.

Yeah I'm struggling with it too. Am I right in thinking that it's actually the little juke move you do at the end of an ESS that gets you through him? If you've done lots of ESS's, you probably know the little jitter I'm talking about. If not, start an ESS, then while you are moving backwards, immediately try and do a sidehop or some kind of quick jerk of the joystick. You should see what I mean. I think it has to do with getting that energy to go right into him, and I can't figure it out yet. Also, when Grunz got right up behind him in the video, Speak was already on the action icon, and I have yet to see it in my attempts.

Also, since these are my first water jumpslash ESS's, they are a bit different than the ones after a superslide. For one, it feels a lot faster. Maybe it's because I'm in a small area like Kokiri forest compared to hyrule field, or that it seems slower because I just got done with a superslide, but it seems to go quicker. They also have a much much larger turning radius for when you switch direction, and you can spin in circles forever.

EDIT: Actually it may not be the juke move that does it, but just absolute correct positioning makes Link take a step backwards to talk to the guy instead of forward. I still don't see "speak" at all during my ESS.

Samoht

2009-06-26 09:20:25 am

I don't see "speak" either during my ESS either, but that doesn't matter, I've done it tons of times. Just mash A while you are in the ESS facing him with your back, then let go of everything, but keep mashing A. It works sometimes, but doesn't other times, I dunno.

ssbmproHRC

2009-06-26 12:01:17 pm

nice find as usual grunz but i think you dont have to kill the kokiri. wasnt there this specific angle where you can just roll past him?

In_Pieces

2009-06-26 01:41:35 pm

...?

Quote from ssbmproHRC:

nice find as usual grunz but i think you dont have to kill the kokiri. wasnt there this specific angle where you can just roll past him?

Theres an angle that you can roll past him, and an angle that you can sidehop past. I don't think its too hard to do and would probably faster, but it might just be easier to make the kokiri fall oob. And to answer runnerguys question, yes the kokiri does come back unfortunately.

Runnerguy2489

2009-06-26 02:14:04 pm

I'm not your buddy, guay!

Quote from Samoht:

I don't see "speak" either during my ESS either, but that doesn't matter, I've done it tons of times. Just mash A while you are in the ESS facing him with your back, then let go of everything, but keep mashing A. It works sometimes, but doesn't other times, I dunno.

Thank you, that worked for me.

I also found that killing the kokiri was pretty quick. After you talk to him and get in the circle, he should be right by that edge already.

MrGrunz

2009-06-26 03:16:06 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

ok, let me explain everything.

it's not a boost, it's the angle and your timing with the A button, that makes link clibbing into him.
link is inside of the kokiri while sliding already.
then you cancel your slide just by letting go of Z. Now smash A like hell to talk to him as quick as possible. the earlier the better.

Every ESS has a different speed. here's a list of the ESSes:
- HISS, the quickest ESS. It has the highest speed, you can get in Ocarina of Time: 27
- Water Jumpslash ESS. The second quickest ESS. It is much quicker than a normal ESS after supersliding and nearly as quick as a normal SS or HISS
- ESS after Supersliding. Much slower than the water ESS, but a bit quicker than the Mega Flip ESS
- ESS after Mega Flip. As said already, slower than the ESS after Supersliding
- Damage ESS. The slowest ESS. Not even as quick as backwalking

ESS, that are done after coming out of water are all a bit different. It takes longer to turn around, but that's actually the only difference

ok, let me explain everything.

it's not a boost, it's the angle and your timing with the A button, that makes link clibbing into him.
link is inside of the kokiri while sliding already.
then you cancel your slide just by letting go of Z. Now smash A like hell to talk to him as quick as possible. the earlier the better.

Every ESS has a different speed. here's a list of the ESSes:
- HISS, the quickest ESS. It has the highest speed, you can get in Ocarina of Time: 27
- Water Jumpslash ESS. The second quickest ESS. It is much quicker than a normal ESS after supersliding and nearly as quick as a normal SS or HISS
- ESS after Supersliding. Much slower than the water ESS, but a bit quicker than the Mega Flip ESS
- ESS after Mega Flip. As said already, slower than the ESS after Supersliding
- Damage ESS. The slowest ESS. Not even as quick as backwalking

ESS, that are done after coming out of water are all a bit different. It takes longer to turn around, but that's actually the only difference

In_Pieces

2009-06-26 04:17:52 pm

...?

Out of curiosity, does anyone know why water ess' work? Like the physics of it and stuff? When you watch it, it doesnt make sense, you just jumpslash and off you go.

MrGrunz

2009-06-26 04:23:43 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

you know, what causes ESSes?

it's not speed or something like that, it is the angle on the control stick. it makes link getting into an infinite slide.
when link starts to turn around and exactly at the same time he gets speed from somewhere, you get a slide with this speed.

At the ESS after supersliding it is the boost after supersliding, that allows you to do it.

Water has some cool physics. When link gets into water, he keeps his speed for 1-2 seconds. So if link gets out of the water, while he has still the speed from entering it, he gets again a boost, when he leaves the water.
so if you use the control stick angle directly after coming out of the water, while link gets this boost at the same time, he does the ESS

In_Pieces

2009-06-26 06:23:34 pm

...?

Ahh, so in those one or two seconds you have enter and exit the water? The speed comes from you jumpslashing and then ricocheting, and then the boost stays because you exited the water?

Acryte

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Acryte: 2009-06-27 04:52:42 pm

2009-06-27 04:44:51 pm

Zelda Scientist®

Get updated. Some of mah recent vids:
Buzz, Swap, Dupe
Bombchu Rapid Drop (Bowling)
EPONASLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steal The Rod Warp (uses Unreal's new 00:00 Timer glitch)
Don't Steal Epona (Failed Trick to assist new route idea)
Next A(Doesn't seem too useful, but maybe it can be done in other places?)

Child MS! (HELL YES!)

Kirby also has a couple new vids to check out and unreal's 00:00 Timer glitch vid

If you want to stay up to speed come join us at the IRC! irc.speeddemosarchive.com #zelda

ZeroGX

2009-06-27 05:49:05 pm

Quote from Acryte:

Get updated. Some of mah recent vids:
Buzz, Swap, Dupe
Bombchu Rapid Drop (Bowling)
EPONASLIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steal The Rod Warp (uses Unreal's new 00:00 Timer glitch)
Don't Steal Epona (Failed Trick to assist new route idea)
Next A(Doesn't seem too useful, but maybe it can be done in other places?)

Child MS! (HELL YES!)

Kirby also has a couple new vids to check out and unreal's 00:00 Timer glitch vid

If you want to stay up to speed come join us at the IRC! irc.speeddemosarchive.com #zelda

Nice vids acryte. now find megaton hammer for child Smiley

Samoht

2009-06-27 06:47:25 pm

How do you get on IRC?

Acryte

2009-06-27 07:04:47 pm

Zelda Scientist®

http://zeldaspeedrun.dreamhosters.com/ZSRirc/userpass.html

Here use our site's java irc client

ZFG

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ZFG: 2009-06-27 07:44:55 pm

2009-06-27 07:06:48 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Go to http://mibbit.com/ or download mIRC.

Server: irc.speeddemosarchive.com
Channel: #zelda

Pokey

2009-06-27 09:22:17 pm

Speedrunner

Remember my faster gate skip Adult? The one where I use the Megaton hammer?

Here it is with the bombs and I must say it's pretty amazing:

Spider-Waffle

(user is banned)

2009-06-28 01:30:35 am

Don't think! feeeeeal

How does that steal the rod warp work? Could you use that to get the items faster for RBA? Like get w/e item it is before you go to lost woods for next item, then steal rod, then warp to LW and get next item there.