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Acryte
Acryte
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Acryte: 2008-12-27 05:14:43 am
2008-12-27 04:44:49 am
Zelda Scientist®
tried a few more ideas last night. Failed a few more ideas last night (thought they all seemed interesting).
Found a new trick
Usable for 100% and all medallions. Now get on them routes lol.
ZFG
2008-12-27 12:00:31 pm
MrGrunz is a guay
Suddo, a few comments for your route

*Slingshot counts as 2 items because you get both slingshot and seed bag.  Deku nuts only counts for one, so thats the way to go

*Why does the deku tree not come until segment 11?  Doing it first like most runs would save 1 forest escape (I know you still need the one to skip ocarina)

*Water Temple should just be done the way bloobiebla did it.  Its really not that hard.

*After water, you should RBA more chus because the shadow trial takes about 40 explosives.  You can get 29 from RBA then 20 from the spirit trial (so you get a little extra in case you mess up)

*You need some source of fire for the forest trial.  I suggest fire arrows.

I think I'll try this out soon.  Looks like more fun than the low% I'm used to Smiley
Suddoman
Suddoman
Edit history:
Suddoman: 2008-12-27 02:09:59 pm
2008-12-27 02:00:39 pm
Here are approximate times on all the Stones, Medallions, and the Light Arrow cutscenes. I also post times that are based off of bloobedia's speedrun

Koriki Emerald
0:11:10 - 16:00 = 0:04:50
Goron Ruby
0:34:39 - 36:45 = 0:01:06
Zora Sapphire
0:56:30 - 58:03 = 0:01:33
Shadow Medallion
1:23:08 - 25:00 = 0:01:52
Forest Medallion
1:37:05 - 40:08 = 0:03:03
Fire Medallion
1:55:08 - 56:42 = 0:01:34
Water Medallion
2:02:04 - 04:58 = 0:02:54
Spirit Medallion: Note that 24 seconds of this is Raura cutscene saying go to the Temple of Time.
2:15:52 - 17:40 = 0:01:48
Light Arrow
2:18:04 - 24:33 = 0:06:29

Some Totals:
All Stone: 7:29
All Medallion: 11:11
Stones and Medallions: 18:40

Acryte's trick can't skip Light Arrow cut scene but it is note-able.

Edit: Also I fixed my route a little
ZFG
2008-12-27 02:22:40 pm
MrGrunz is a guay
So I have made somewhat of a route for 100% skipping the medallion cutscenes

For forest, complete most of the temple up to beating the green poe and getting the BK.  Then exit forest, go to LW and give cojiro for the mushroom, then run back to forest and beat itand use the timer to skip the long ass cutscene.

From there, complete most of the dungeons, but don't get the medallion (exept for shadow, its probably faster to watch the shadow medallion cutscene).  Then when the time comes to go back to kid, do BA so that when you come back to adult you have FW on B.  Now get the rest of the medallions and nocturne of shadow.
Cosmo.
2008-12-27 04:15:28 pm
This statue's one-eyed gaze pierces into your mind
Quote from Suddoman:
Here are approximate times on all the Stones, Medallions, and the Light Arrow cutscenes. I also post times that are based off of bloobedia's speedrun


nice job doing that, useful info

cutscene skip is ridiculous acryte lol
Toes
2008-12-27 07:19:00 pm
I was testing a theory for RBA and found two cool glitches. Well, they amused me, anyway. :p

First one - Delete Ruto's letter forever.
Get cucco bottle and milk bottle, RBA empty bottle for third bottle, then RBA red potion for fourth bottle.
Put bottle one on a c button and put something in it. Then get the gold scale and dive for ruto's letter.
Ruto's Letter will be in bottle one. Dump bottle one and there you go. Ruto's Letter is gone forever.


Second one - Duplicate trade items and get back trade items.

Do the same thing in the first glitch but also RBA a green potion to put a bottle on the adult trade item slot. Make sure bottle one is on a c-button.

Become an adult and talk to the cucco lady to get the pocket egg. The pocket egg will take the place of bottle one on the c-button but not in the inventory.

The pocket egg will appear in the trade item slot but will not be on a c-button. Put it on a c-button that isn't the one with the duplicated egg on it.

Now wait for the eggs to hatch. You now have two Pocket Cuccos.
Wake up Talon and talk to the Cucco Lady. You now have Cojiro, but you will keep the duplicated Pocket Cucco.

You can now finish the trade quest(I assume, I was on a DoT skip file and I could only get up to the perscription) and then show the duplicated cucco to the cucco lady for another cojiro.

If you want a duplicate of another item I THINK you can do it by turning the original item into a bottle and keeping it on a c-button, and then showing it to the person you need to.
I haven't tried it yet.

Another thing: The light arrow cutscene turns the duplicate back into a bottle.


I'm sure people could use this if they want 23 hearts by keeping a duplicate of the odd mushroom.
Suddoman
Suddoman
Edit history:
Suddoman: 2009-01-25 11:31:39 pm
2008-12-27 09:14:10 pm
These are ideas on using the Cutscene skip to skip the forest medallion scene.

From Forest Temple to Shroom Guy = ~40 seconds
From Shroom Guy to Forest Temple = ~1:10 seconds
Block Room = 1:25 (Yauja's run)
Phantom Ganondorf = 50 seconds (Bloobedia's run)


Both routes start after you beat the block room

-With Cutscene:
Phantom Ganon: 0:50
Cutscene: 3:03
Total:  3:53

-Skipping cutscene:
Leaving Forest Temple: Save warping. If you are SSing this might be an issue though
Forest Temple to Shroom Guy: 0:40
Shroom Guy to Phantom Ganon: 1:40 (1:20 left on shroom)
Phantom Ganon: 0:55
Mushroom Timer: 0:25 - Y
Total: 3:40

It save 13 Seconds.

Y cancels itself: if you take 0:10 to get there then you wait 1:05 if you take 0:55 then you wait 0:10 either way its 1:15.

Edit:
If we Save warp a little earlier then we can save even more time. But I need people to agree with the 13 seconds then we work on that.

-With Cutscene:
Boss Door Skip: 1:00
Phantom Ganon: 0:50
Cutscene: 3:03
Total:  4:53

-Skipping cutscene:
Boss Door Skip: 1:00
Phantom Ganon: 0:55
Minuet of Forest: Huh?
Forest Temple to Shroom Guy: 0:40
Shroom Guy to Phantom Ganon: 1:40 (1:20 left on shroom)
Boss Door Skip: 1:00
Mushroom Timer: 0:20
Total: 5:35
Cosmo.
Cosmo.
Edit history:
Cosmo.: 2008-12-27 11:21:02 pm
2008-12-27 10:03:26 pm
This statue's one-eyed gaze pierces into your mind
Quote from Toesrus:
I was testing a theory for RBA and found two cool glitches. Well, they amused me, anyway. :p

First one - Delete Ruto's letter forever.
Get cucco bottle and milk bottle, RBA empty bottle for third bottle, then RBA red potion for fourth bottle.
Put bottle one on a c button and put something in it. Then get the gold scale and dive for ruto's letter.
Ruto's Letter will be in bottle one. Dump bottle one and there you go. Ruto's Letter is gone forever.


Second one - Duplicate trade items and get back trade items.

Do the same thing in the first glitch but also RBA a green potion to put a bottle on the adult trade item slot. Make sure bottle one is on a c-button.

Become an adult and talk to the cucco lady to get the pocket egg. The pocket egg will take the place of bottle one on the c-button but not in the inventory.

The pocket egg will appear in the trade item slot but will not be on a c-button. Put it on a c-button that isn't the one with the duplicated egg on it.

Now wait for the eggs to hatch. You now have two Pocket Cuccos.
Wake up Talon and talk to the Cucco Lady. You now have Cojiro, but you will keep the duplicated Pocket Cucco.

You can now finish the trade quest(I assume, I was on a DoT skip file and I could only get up to the perscription) and then show the duplicated cucco to the cucco lady for another cojiro.

If you want a duplicate of another item I THINK you can do it by turning the original item into a bottle and keeping it on a c-button, and then showing it to the person you need to.
I haven't tried it yet.

Another thing: The light arrow cutscene turns the duplicate back into a bottle.


I'm sure people could use this if they want 23 hearts by keeping a duplicate of the odd mushroom.


this is cool as hell nice find, I'll mess w/ this later and see if anything fucked up can happen


OK forest temple cutscene skip RUNDOWN!!!! (for 100%)

Idea is to beat Meg the poe, FW, savewarp

0:40 FT entrance to shroom (-0:40 saved from regular route)
0:50 shroom to deku tree (2:10 left on shroom) (-1:30 saved from regular route)
1:25 LW lobby, block room, GSx1, entering boss cutscene (0:45 left on shroom) (-1:30 saved from reg route)
0:50 optimal boss fight (-0:05 left, heres the problem) (-1:30 saved from reg route)
3 minute cutscene skip (+0:45 saved from reg route)
+ any time spent going from ToT to shroom guy (a minute??? no idea)

so you save about ~1:45 (estimate)

BUT you got like no time for that shroom unless you do the block room 1st, but then you are saving less time because you take the elevator twice!!! butttt it is still worth it, you save like 1:30 anyways

easier in NMS cause gold skultula : )

Need to test:
- Phantom ganon cutscene stops the timer? if not, this all needs reworking.
- possible superslides maybe in the block room in B1

Tested:
- you cant stall timer using a failed warp song in the boss room cause it disabled ocarina and therefore didnt check if you cannot warp!

I DUNNO GUYS!!!

we figured this out it saves 1:33 , FW ends the mushroom timer sadly so you ahve to do block room 1st
Mp16
Mp16
Edit history:
Mp16: 2008-12-27 10:11:34 pm
2008-12-27 10:05:18 pm
ya. but first thing's first: do cutscenes stop the time of the mushroom

Also, for clarification, this does not make any changes to the route. In fact, it saves additional time because when the mushroom expires, you go straight back to the mushroom guy.
Acryte
Acryte
Edit history:
Acryte: 2008-12-27 10:20:49 pm
2008-12-27 10:13:25 pm
Zelda Scientist®
Okay also guys in 100% use the mushrooom timer for forest. Every other temple you should beat the boss and then afterwards Savewarp to the entrance and leave. Then after you beat all the temples, (and have the warp songs) put FW on B and warp from temple to temple skipping each cutscene and grabbing the medallions. The FW on B is way more efficient than the mushroom one because the timer for the other, but also is an inconvenience because it requires you have FW on B. I think this is the best way to go about all non forest temples (in general at least) especially since the timer will MAKE you wait till it is up to do this so you might end up with extra waiting time.

Unfortunately I don't think we have timers we can use as a kid for it, and we can't go back in time without beating forest... so child forest can't be fixed using this. If we were able to become a kid and go through the warp, I'm pretty sure that this would fix it.
Mp16
2008-12-28 01:59:43 am
well we've all decided it's impossible to save time with FW on B because of the ocarina problem.

But Forest Temple is guaranteed to save time using the mushroom timer. Approx. 50 sec off the original route taking into consideration the GS's collected while the mushroom timer goes down.

I'm working on the new route right now. Though I need one question answered before I can continue:
In the middle room in the Water Temple where you can raise the water level to the middle, is the GS that's in it possible to get with the Hookshot, or does it require the Longshot?
ZAR
2008-12-28 02:57:13 am
Eeeeyah!
Pretty sure it requires the longshot. I tried just awhile ago after you mentioned it on IRC and the hookshot doesn't quite make it to the token. You could bombhover up to the platform that's near it, but that probably wastes more time then coming back later with the longshot. (It'd probably take about 7 bombs or so to get up there)
KlydeStorm
2008-12-28 09:58:45 am
Quote from UchihaSasuke:
i got a weird glitch today:



i grabbed the skulltula token with the hookshot while standing in the rotating platform and got inside the pot.


Getting inside the pot is old, it's on one of my old videos, but I didn't use the hookshot.
mikechenkeha
2008-12-28 11:24:40 am
I love YaBB 1G - SP1!
how do I side bomb (and bomb chu) hover and how do i side hop hover as young link?

when I tried bomb hover, (ge IS, drop bomb and black flip mid air and let the bomb exploed while I am in middle of the back flipping)
I manage to  stay there for like a second..

and how do I do with chus?
UchihaSasuke
2008-12-28 01:27:12 pm
Stand: Devil's Call in your Heart
Quote from KlydeStorm:
Quote from UchihaSasuke:
i got a weird glitch today:



i grabbed the skulltula token with the hookshot while standing in the rotating platform and got inside the pot.


Getting inside the pot is old, it's on one of my old videos, but I didn't use the hookshot.


i see.
sorry, i never watched the vid so i didn't know about it and i got the glitch randomly when playing.
Runnerguy2489
2008-12-28 03:10:08 pm
I'm not your buddy, guay!
Would this forest temple trick save time in NMS or not if you do the boss key skip like Bloobiebla did?
Suddoman
2008-12-28 03:24:36 pm
Quote from Runnerguy2489:
Would this forest temple trick save time in NMS or not if you do the boss key skip like Bloobiebla did?

I don't think there's enough time on the shroom.

~1:30 to get back to forest temple
~1:08 to do the glitch past Boss Door (1:33:38 - 34:46 on Bloobedia's Run)
~0:50 to do Phantom Ganon
~3:28 total.

Unless TASing can knock off 28 seconds somewhere I think that there's no time.
Toes
2008-12-28 06:39:01 pm
Quote from Cosmo.:
Quote from Toesrus:
I was testing a theory for RBA and found two cool glitches. Well, they amused me, anyway. :p

First one - Delete Ruto's letter forever.
Get cucco bottle and milk bottle, RBA empty bottle for third bottle, then RBA red potion for fourth bottle.
Put bottle one on a c button and put something in it. Then get the gold scale and dive for ruto's letter.
Ruto's Letter will be in bottle one. Dump bottle one and there you go. Ruto's Letter is gone forever.


Second one - Duplicate trade items and get back trade items.

Do the same thing in the first glitch but also RBA a green potion to put a bottle on the adult trade item slot. Make sure bottle one is on a c-button.

Become an adult and talk to the cucco lady to get the pocket egg. The pocket egg will take the place of bottle one on the c-button but not in the inventory.

The pocket egg will appear in the trade item slot but will not be on a c-button. Put it on a c-button that isn't the one with the duplicated egg on it.

Now wait for the eggs to hatch. You now have two Pocket Cuccos.
Wake up Talon and talk to the Cucco Lady. You now have Cojiro, but you will keep the duplicated Pocket Cucco.

You can now finish the trade quest(I assume, I was on a DoT skip file and I could only get up to the perscription) and then show the duplicated cucco to the cucco lady for another cojiro.

If you want a duplicate of another item I THINK you can do it by turning the original item into a bottle and keeping it on a c-button, and then showing it to the person you need to.
I haven't tried it yet.

Another thing: The light arrow cutscene turns the duplicate back into a bottle.


I'm sure people could use this if they want 23 hearts by keeping a duplicate of the odd mushroom.


this is cool as hell nice find, I'll mess w/ this later and see if anything fucked up can happen


I found out that you only need one bottle, but you must make sure that the bottle you will use to duplicate the egg has the same thing(fish,bug...) inside of it as the trade item bottle.

Apparently the game sees two of the same thing on C instead of an empty item slot, so when it changes the item on C, the regular bottle out-prioritizes the fake bottle.

And I also tried it again, but this time the duplicated pocket cucco turned into cojiro too, but the real pocket cucco was still on C when it was clearly Cojiro in the inventory.

This glitch is very confusing..
Mp16
2008-12-28 06:46:54 pm
All right, here is the updated 100% route. (updated for adult section that is) It took a lot to put together, but I think it's pretty solid. Again, any possible improvements are always welcome.

I was too lazy to change every GS # for the improvements, but I think all 100 are in there. (I really hope so  :P)



Segment 1: Opening

Segment 2: Sword

Segment 3: Shield

Segment 4: Slingshot

Segment 5: GS1, 5 Deku Nuts, Open Web

Segment 6: Gohma, Heart C., Emerald

Segment 7: Fairy Ocarina, Superslide to Market. 40 rupees. get Pocket Cucco. GS2. Wake up Talon, enter castle. Navigate guards. Zelda Cutscenes. Zelda's Letter + Zelda's Lullaby. Backwalk to Kakariko. Cucco gathering and open gate. Empty Bottle#1. Enter Graveyard. Get Sun's Song.

Segment 8: Superslide to Lake Hylia. Scarecrow Song and Bug in Bottle. enter fishing game. HP1 + Gold Scale. Get Empty Bottle#2, enter Zora's Domain. Show letter to King. Enter Zora's Fountain. enter Jabu-Jabu w/o fish.

Segment 9: Navigate Jabu Jabu and w/ Ruto. GS3. Get Boomerang, fall through hole, GS4, GS5.

Segment 10: Megaflip off Jellyfish to ledge. OI switch. (save bugs) Navigate proceeding room. GS6. Beat Barinade. Heart C., Sapphire. Get GS's in Zora's Fountain. GS7, GS8. Enter Zora's Domain. Light torches for HP2. Go to Zora's River. Collect items. GS9, HP3, HP4, buy two beans. Plant one.

Segment 11: Superslide to Gerudo Valley. Get GS10 on wall by bridge (will do later). Cucco jump the fence. Enter Thieve's Hideout.

Segment 12: Navigate Haunted Wasteland. Get GS11 along the way. Plant Bean in front of ST. GS12. Enter ST.

Segment 13: Navigate child section of ST. Collect GS13 and GS14 along the way. 10 Bombchu

Segment 14: Requiem of Spirit.

Segment 15: Superslide to Market (9 bombchu left). Get Keaton's Mask. Backwalk to Kakariko. Well early glitch.

Segment 16: Navigate well. Lower water level. Collect GS15, GS16, GS17, Lens of Truth, Hylian Shield, and 10 bombchu (18 total)

Segment 17: GS18, GS19 in Kakariko at night. Give Keaton's Mask to guard, enter Death Mountain Trail. Bombchu DC boulder. Bugs in hole. GS20. Enter DC.

Segment 18: Bomb wall. (16 bombchu left) Bombchu hover from Beamos onto Dodongo's head for SB. (7 bombchu left), Bombchu Dodongo's Eyes. (5 bombchu left) Bomb Bag, Navigate to Bomb flower room. GS21, GS22.

Segment 19: Blow up wall on right side of DC. Bomb hover onto scarecrow platform for GS23. blow up wall. GS24.

Segment 20: Enter Dodongo's head. Navigate to other side for GS25. OI switch. Bomb hole. Fight King Dodongo. HeartC., Ruby, re-enter DC.

Segment 21: Navigate Death Mountain Trail to Great Fairy Fountain. 20 rupees. Obtain Magic. Enter Death Mountain Crater. GS26, HP5, Megaflip into Great Fairy Fountain for double magic. Enter Goron City. Light torches to make the vase spin. Throw in Bomb. HP6 + 25 rupees, bomb big Goron for Bomb bag upgrade. megaflip through rock maze. GS27.

Segment 22: GS28 in KF. (will do at convenient time) Superslide to Market. (Zelda Cutscene) Get Ocarina of Time + Song of Time. Get Skull Mask. Market at night for HP7 and HP8 and 5 extra slingshot bullets.

Segment 23: Enter lost woods. Deku Seed upgrade. Play ocarina game with skullkids. HP9. Navigate to hidden hole. Deku Stick Upgrade. bottled bugs for GS29 (will do later). Navigate to hidden hole for Deku Nut upgrade. Navigate Sacred Forest Meadow for Saria's Song.

Segment 24: Enter lost woods. Saria's Song to skullkid for HPxx. Sell Skull Mask. Deku Stick Upgrade.

Segment 25: bottled bugs in hole by kokiri market. GS30. To the Deku Tree.

Segment 26: Jump down hole in deku tree. GS31, GS32. Crawl through hole, bomb wall to secret room, GS33.

Segment 27: Savewarp

Segment 28: Superslide to Market. Enter side building. 20 rupees. GS34. Get Spooky Mask. Get GS35 in hole along the way to Kakariko. Play Sun's Song to enter before 00:00. remaining Kakariko at Night GS's. GS36-GS38. Get wallet upgrades + Stone of Agony. Dampe's Graveyard digging. While he's walking, collect GS39 and GS40 and open up grave. Get HP10 from Gravedigging. Enter grave. Play Sun's Song for HP11. Sell Spooky Mask.

Segment 29: Get Bunny hood. Sell bunny hood. Enter Lon Lon Ranch at night. GS41 on building. GS42 in tree. GS43 on wooden part of the ranch. GS44 by cow building. Enter that building for HP12. Play Sun's Song. Get Epona's Song. Play Cucco game for empty bottle #3. Superslide to Market. Mask of Truth.

Segment 30: Enter Lost Woods. Get Deku Nut upgrade.

Segment 31: Superslide to Market. Bombchu Bowling Alley for HP13 and Bomb Bag upgrade. Buy a Blue Fire. To ToT for Master Sword.






Segment xx: Superslide to Kakariko, Pocket Cucco, wake Talon, Cojiro, enter Windmill for HP14 and SoS. enter Graveyard. Get Hookshot, then re-race Dampe for HP15, Shadow Early w/o Din's Fire.

Segment xx: Hover Boots

Segment 32: Savewarp if faster

Segment 33: Superslide to Zora's River. Get GS45, GS46 along the way to ZD. Navigate Zora's Domain. Get GS47 in hidden GS lair w/o SG. Farore's Wind. HP16 on ice floats. Enter Ice Cavern.

Segment 34: Navigate Ice Cavern. GS48 in spinning blade room. Use Blue Fire in bottle instead of collecting first silver rupees. Collect GS49 and HP17. get two Blue Fires. Blue Fire other side of spinning blade room. navigate ice block room. GS50. Two more blue fires. Now get Serenade of Water & Iron Boots. 1 blue fire left.

Segment 35: Leave Ice Cavern, HP18 at bottom of Zora's Fountain. Thaw King Zora for Zora's Tunic, GS51 by waterfall, enter Lost Woods, navigate to Forest Temple. Minuet of Forest.

Segment 36: Hookshot vines. Small Key. go to Poe cutscene. Small key #2 from stachilds. GS56 on wall. SoT block. Megajump. GS57 on wall. Navigate block room. Fairy Bow. Kill Red and Blue poe. get Big Key.

Segment 37: Serenade of Water. Hit switch with hookshot. Enter Water Temple.

Segment 38: Ocarina Dive. Zora. Lower water. get Small key #1 and #2. bomb floor. Get GS58.

Segment 39: enter room before longshot. Cast FW. kill Dark Link. Longshot. GS59. Get Small Key #3. return with FW. Longshot GS60. Lower water.

Segment 40: jump to middle floor for GS61. get GS62 outside Big Key room.

Segment 41: Big Key skip. Beat Morpha. Water Medallion, Heart Container, Fire Arrow. Minuet of Forest. Enter Forest Temple.

Segment 42: Hoverboost to Green poe room. Beat Green poe. back to main room. Hit eye with switch. GS63. Return to main room. kill purple poe. Navigate block room for GS64 and opening fence for boss room.

Segment 43: leave Forest Temple, return to Lost Woods. Get Odd Mushroom. Return to Forest Temple. Along the way, get GS65 in area with the hidden mask place and GS66 in Sacred Forest Meadow. Enter Forest Temple. GS67 on vines. (will get earlier actually) Enter Boss Room. Beat Phantom Ganon. Heart Container. Forest Medallion cutscene skip using the mushroom to run out of time. return to the mushroom guy. Get Odd Mushroom again. and go to Goron City. Bomb the "Link" Goron for Goron Tunic. GS68 on Goron Ruby stand. Go to Death Mountain Trail. Get GS69 behind red rock w/ hookshot. Backflip onto DC for HP19. Bomb wall for GS70. Enter Kakariko Village. Get Odd Potion.

Segment 44: Superslide to Lon Lon Ranch. Get Epona. Get Big Poes #4 and #5 along the way to Lost Woods. Longshot to ladder. Poacher's Saw. leave LW to Kokiri Forest. GS71 in Kokiri Forest.

Segment 45: Drop off poes. Get big poe #2, #8, #9 along the way to GV. Stop at secret hole for GS72. Jump gap w/ Epona. Get Broken Goron Knife. GS73, GS74, Enter Gerudo's Fortress and Thieve's Hideout.

Segment 46: Navigate GF and TH for GS75, HP20, and Gerudo's Membership Card.

Segment 47: Finish off GF for GS76, HP21, and Big Quiver.

Segment 48: Deposit big poes. Superslide to Kakariko. Enter DMT. Navigate to Big Goron. Get GS77 behind red rock. Get Prescription.

Segment 49: Drop off Poes. Superslide to Zora's River. Enter ZD. Get Eyeball Frog. Shortcut to Lake Hylia via OoB warp. Activate Scarecrow's Song. HP22 on top of lab. Get GS78 and HP23 in Lab. Get Eyedrops. Ride Epona to Hyrule Field. HP24 in secret hole. Get big poes #7, #6, #3 on the way to Kakariko Village. Navigate DMT to big goron. Get Claim Check. Play Sun's Song 6 times in DMC for Biggoron's Sword. Get HP25 on volcano. Bolero of Fire. Enter Fire Temple.

Segment 50: Small Key

Segment 51: Small Key #2. GS79

Segment 52: Fire Temple pt. 3

Segment 53: GS80-82, Megaton Hammer.

Segment 54: Finish Fire Temple for GS83, Heart Container, Fire Medallion.

Segment 55: Drop off Poes. Get big poes #1, #10. Enter secret hole for HP26.

Segment 56: Get Prelude of Light, become a kid, Din's Fire, GS81 in SoS hole. Bottled Bugs.

Segment 57: Prelude of Light. (If faster) Superslide to Zora's River. GS82 in tree. HP27, HP28 from frogs. Bolero of Fire, Bottled Bugs for GS83. Serenade of Water. GS84 on island.

Segment 58: Serenade of Water. GS85 on side of lab. GS86 from bottled bugs. Superslide to HF. Superslide to GV. Megaflip to ledge for HP29. Megaflip to bottled bugs in hole for GS87. Climb ladder for HP30. OoB glitch. Cucco jump. Superslide to GF. Enter Gerudo Training Ground through preloaded GF.

Segment 59: Ice Arrows.

Segment 60: Prelude of Light. Become adult.

Segment 61: Drop off Poes. Empty Bottle#4. Superslide to Kakariko Village. Nocturne of Shadow. Biggest Quiver, HP32 in skulltula house, GS89 on roof, HP33 on roof, HP34 in house, Nocturne of Shadow. Din's Fire torches. enter Shadow Temple.

Segment 62: Shadow Temple. GS90-GS94. Heart Container, Shadow Medallion. After returning to Graveyard, longshot the box for HP35.

Segment 63: play Requiem of Spirt. Superslide to GS95 on tree. get on bean plant. HP36. SB to silver gauntlet chest. (Skip SG) Set FW in first room. Get GS96.

Segment 64: Skip silver block get GS97 and small key.

Segment 65:  Use FW. Superslide to Mirror Shield ledge for Mirror Shield. Kill Iron Knuckle. Get Small Key #2. Zelda's Lullaby for Boss Key. lower mirror platform. get GS98 below. Longshot back up to chains. Fight Iron Knuckle and Twinrova. Heart Container, Spirit Medallion.

Segment 66: Requiem of Spirit. Superslide to Nayru's Love. Get GS99 along the way.

Segment 67: Light Arrow cutscene. Enter Ganon's Castle. make Rainbow Bridge to Ganon's Castle. GS100 on archway. Clip into GFF for double hearts. Enter Ganon's Castle.

Segment 68: Get Golden Gauntlets.

Segment 69: Megaflip past barriers.

Segment 70: Final Boss. Win. 
Runnerguy2489
2008-12-28 06:58:40 pm
I'm not your buddy, guay!
Oh sorry, I meant more of...which is faster: doing it the way Bloobiebla did or doing this new trick? But I guess for NMS you'd also have to get the cucco egg, hatch it, get cojiro, etc. so it's probably not even close unless you actually needed those for some kind of RBA anyway.

But your times confuse me:
Quote from Suddoman:
From Shroom Guy to Forest Temple = ~1:10 seconds
Block Room = 1:25 (Yauja's run)
Phantom Ganondorf = 50 seconds (Bloobedia's run)

= 3:25...roughly the same you just outlined, even though you have getting back to forest temple as being 20 seconds faster here. 

OK, now I see how the route looks and it makes sense, as you already rotate the basement out and collect other stuff on the way in LWs and meadow.
Mp16
2008-12-28 07:42:31 pm
yeah, apparently FW ends the timer. Good for me though because it makes the segment slightly easier.  Grin

But it's still going to be one of the hardest segments in the game...
Suddoman
2008-12-28 10:04:11 pm
Quote from Runnerguy2489:
Oh sorry, I meant more of...which is faster: doing it the way Bloobiebla did or doing this new trick? But I guess for NMS you'd also have to get the cucco egg, hatch it, get cojiro, etc. so it's probably not even close unless you actually needed those for some kind of RBA anyway.

But your times confuse me:
Quote from Suddoman:
From Shroom Guy to Forest Temple = ~1:10 seconds
Block Room = 1:25 (Yauja's run)
Phantom Ganondorf = 50 seconds (Bloobedia's run)

= 3:25...roughly the same you just outlined, even though you have getting back to forest temple as being 20 seconds faster here. 

OK, now I see how the route looks and it makes sense, as you already rotate the basement out and collect other stuff on the way in LWs and meadow.

I made it faster because you don't have to take elevator and walk, maybe 20 secs was a little much but it does change the time.

Also the Pocket Egg could be gotten when you do Shadow Temple. If you were to save Dodongo Caverns for adult you could maybe come back after its hatched and get Cojiro. But its futile unless you can change the times expressed above.
Acryte
Acryte
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Acryte: 2008-12-29 06:20:35 am
2008-12-29 12:46:42 am
Zelda Scientist®
I found another new trick lol Hoversliding and Megajumpslash

Hoversliding is also different than supersliding into a hover. I had the idea for it when ZFG MP16 and me were trying to get into the Goron Tunic shop early. You cannot put down your shield or anything. You are locked in your stance. It can be used however to start a hovering superslide in midair above or below a grabbable object, and is therefore quite unique. You can't pull your sword or anything, but if you unequip the hoverboots you are able to do other actions.

you can also combine hoversliding with megajump (remember how when you are near edge, 1st frame of jump equip hover... this is the same concept). Megajumpslash can also be used but the extra tons of height it gives you makes it a bit harder to utilize without landing on the stairs. ZFG used megajumpslash to get in. It seems easier with megajump so I just used that for the sake of the vid but here it is:Early Goron Shop(100%).

Kazooie you need to get on irc more man, it's good times! :S
MrGrunz
2008-12-29 12:03:28 pm
Merry Chrismas =)
can somebody tell me how to join the irc?
ZFG
2008-12-29 12:17:14 pm
MrGrunz is a guay
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