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2008-10-30 06:25:26 pm

Great, so it looks like I'll be using BA to get the Poacher's Saw then. Unless of course it's found to be slower. I do want to be absolutely sure this is okay with SDA though, I haven't heard a definite answer yet.

Also, if I do end using BA to get Poacher's Saw, will I have to use the pocket cucco to wake up Talon? Or can Epona still be gotten with Talon sleeping in Kakariko?

ZFG

2008-10-30 06:43:17 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

No need to wake up talon for epona.

About BA in your run, you said you want to BA forest temples boss key, but you can only do BA after beating the forest temple. It might not be faster

Mp16

2008-10-30 07:09:22 pm

I did not say I wanted to BA/RBA the forest temple boss key. Wink

Also, I think BA'ing the Poacher's Saw might actually take longer. After all, I collect a lot of stuff while navigating from one location to another. Either way I'm going to have to take the same (or slightly altered) path just without a Biggoron Sword delivery item. And the majority of the time that could be saved would be from skipping the eyeball frog and eye drop sequence which won't happen even with BA. And getting preparation for BA takes a while too. As for the bombchu, If I really needed some, I could just get them when I go back in time anyway.

It appears as if BA/RBA would be useless in a 100% run regardless unless someone can think of some other use for it.

ZFG

2008-10-30 07:45:15 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Well someone mentioned the forest temple RBA stuff...

But I just thought of another thing for BA for biggorons sword. If you have hylian shield, deku shield, kokiri sword, master sword and giants knife (<- only one you need to go out of the way for) then you can BA the clain check to B. That has more potential to save some time. Still I'd prefer no BA in a 100% run.

Mp16

2008-10-30 07:55:52 pm

Quote from ZFG:

Well someone mentioned the forest temple RBA stuff...

But I just thought of another thing for BA for biggorons sword. If you have hylian shield, deku shield, kokiri sword, master sword and giants knife (<- only one you need to go out of the way for) then you can BA the clain check to B. That has more potential to save some time. Still I'd prefer no BA in a 100% run.

Oh, so it is possible to get the Claim's Check through BA. However, I realized this would go against SDA's rules unless the actual claim check was gotten as well. Because the Claim Check is the last item that appears in your inventory for the Biggoron Sidequest, it would have to be obtained legally. This means the only item that could actually save time is the Tear Drops and if those are obtained through BA, they won't work I believe. At least they don't if you get them from the Bomb Treasure Chest in DC. So the best possible item actually obtainable through BA is the Broken Knife and even then I don't think it would save time. So no BA for the Biggoron Sidequest which is actually fine by me. I would rather do the sidequests than BA for entertainment purposes.

[quote="ZFG"]
Well someone mentioned the forest temple RBA stuff...

But I just thought of another thing for BA for biggorons sword.  If you have hylian shield, deku shield, kokiri sword, master sword and giants knife (<- only one you need to go out of the way for) then you can BA the clain check to B.  That has more potential to save some time.  Still I'd prefer no BA in a 100% run.
[/quote]

Oh, so it is possible to get the Claim's Check through BA. However, I realized this would go against SDA's rules unless the actual claim check was gotten as well. Because the Claim Check is the last item that appears in your inventory for the Biggoron Sidequest, it would have to be obtained legally. This means the only item that could actually save time is the Tear Drops and if those are obtained through BA, they won't work I believe. At least they don't if you get them from the Bomb Treasure Chest in DC. So the best possible item actually obtainable through BA is the Broken Knife and even then I don't think it would save time. So no BA for the Biggoron Sidequest which is actually fine by me. I would rather do the sidequests than BA for entertainment purposes.

Cosmo.

2008-10-30 08:13:27 pm

This statue's one-eyed gaze pierces into your mind

IIRC if you BA for the claim check it won't work when you show him, because you never gave him the eyedrops.

P.S. http://cosmo.dreamhosters.com/BA/morezeldashit.txt

Toes

2008-10-31 04:13:00 pm

Using that site, I think zora mask BA could be useful.
You can get the broken goron's sword on B from having zora mask on c-right and having the kokiri and master swords, and deku and hylian shields. Then you could go give the eyedrops to biggoron then show him the sword.

Seems like it would work nicely.

MrGrunz

2008-10-31 07:12:59 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

making a BA-route for a 100% run should be pretty hard.
good luck with it

are the only skipable things with BA water temple boss key and half of the trade quest?

Toes

Edit history:

Toes: 2008-11-01 09:56:28 am

2008-10-31 07:26:51 pm

Quote from MrGrunz:

making a BA-route for a 100% run should be pretty hard.
good luck with it

are the only skipable things with BA water temple boss key and half of the trade quest?

You could probably skip the silver gauntlets by RBA'ing the medallions and getting the golden gauntlets early.

Edit: I actually decided to revise the current route and implement BA/RBA into the run. It uses BA to skip half of the biggoron's sword quest, and RBA for Fire Temple key.

First changes are just skipping the trade quest items, then BA starts at Segment 48.

I was unsure about the Fire Temple and how much could actually be skipped with RBA. And I also think the shortcut to Lake Hylia with the Eyeball Frog can't be done using this route.

Edit 2: Woops. I messed up. I realize that we need to BA before we get the zora tunic. I'll keep the route up if anyone wants to fix it.

Edit 3: Okay, I have fixed it. At least I hope I have. There are some very long segments, though. The fix lets us do the Zora's Domain - Lake Hylia shortcut, but we have to steal the rod twice.

Edit 4: Wow, I just realized that tunics don't matter in Zora Mask RBA. Oh well, I'll keep this route. Seems like it would be faster anyway.

Segment 1: Opening

Segment 2: Sword

Segment 3: Shield

Segment 4: Slingshot

Segment 5: GS1, 5 Deku Nuts, Open Web

Segment 6: Gohma, Heart C., Emerald

Segment 7: Fairy Ocarina, Superslide to Market. 40 rupees. get Pocket Cucco. GS2. Wake up Talon, enter castle. Navigate guards. Zelda Cutscenes. Zelda's Letter + Zelda's Lullaby. Backwalk to Kakariko. Cucco gathering and open gate. Empty Bottle#1. Enter Graveyard. Get Sun's Song.

Segment 8: Superslide to Lake Hylia. Scarecrow Song and Bug in Bottle. enter fishing game. HP1 + Gold Scale. Get Empty Bottle#2, enter Zora's Domain. Show letter to King. Enter Zora's Fountain. enter Jabu-Jabu w/o fish.

Segment 9: Navigate Jabu Jabu and w/ Ruto. GS3. Get Boomerang, fall through hole, GS4, GS5.

Segment 10: Megaflip off Jellyfish to ledge. OI switch. (save bugs) Navigate proceeding room. GS6. Beat Barinade. Heart C., Sapphire. Get GS's in Zora's Fountain. GS7, GS8. Enter Zora's Domain. Light torches for HP2. Go to Zora's River. Collect items. GS9, HP3, HP4, buy two beans. Plant one.

Segment 11: Superslide to Gerudo Valley. Get GS10 on wall by bridge. Cucco jump the fence. Enter Thieve's Hideout.

Segment 12: Navigate Haunted Wasteland. Get GS11 along the way. Plant Bean in front of ST. GS12. Enter ST.

Segment 13: Navigate child section of ST. Collect GS13 and GS14 along the way. 10 Bombchu

Segment 14: Requiem of Spirit.

Segment 15: Superslide to Market (9 bombchu left). Get Keatan's Mask. Backwalk to Kakariko. Well early glitch.

Segment 16: Navigate well. Lower water level. Collect GS15, GS16, GS17, Lens of Truth, Hylian Shield, and 10 bombchu (18 total)

Segment 17: GS18, GS19 in Kakariko. Give Keatan's Mask to guard, enter Death Mountain Trail. Bombchu DC boulder. Bugs in hole. GS20. Enter DC.

Segment 18: Bomb wall. (16 bombchu left) Bombchu hover from ledge onto Dodongo's head for SB. (5 bombchu left), Bombchu Dodongo's Eyes. (3 bombchu left) Bomb Bag, Navigate to Bomb flower room. GS21, GS22.

Segment 19: Blow up wall on right side of DC. Bomb hover onto scarecrow platform for GS23. blow up wall. GS24.

Segment 20: Enter Dodongo's head. Navigate to other side for GS25. OI switch. Bomb hole. Fight King Dodongo. HeartC., Ruby, re-enter DC.

Segment 21: Navigate Death Mountain Trail to Great Fairy Fountain. 20 rupees. Obtain Magic. Enter Death Mountain Crater. GS26, HP5, Megaflip into Great Fairy Fountain for double magic. Enter Goron City. Light torches to make the vase spin. Throw in Bomb. HP6 + 25 rupees, bomb big Goron for Bomb bag upgrade. bomb through rock maze. GS27, bug in bottle.

Segment 22: GS28 in KF. Superslide to Market. (Zelda Cutscene) Get Ocarina of Time + Song of Time. Get Skull Mask. Slingshot upgrade. Market at night for HP7 and HP8.

Segment 23: bottled bugs in hole by kokiri market. GS29, To the Deku Tree.

Segment 24: Jump down hole in deku tree. GS30, GS31. Crawl through hole, bomb wall to secret room, GS32.

Segment 25: Savewarp

Segment 26: Enter lost woods. Deku Seed upgrade. Play ocarina game with skullkids. HP9. Navigate to hidden hole. bottled bugs for GS33 + Deku Stick upgrade. Sell Skull Mask.

Segment 27: Superslide to Market. Get Spooky Mask. Get GS34 in hole along the way to Kakariko. Play Sun's Song to enter before 00:00. remaining Kakariko at Night GS's. GS35-GS37. Get wallet upgrades + Stone of Agony. Dampe's Graveyard digging. While he's walking, collect GS38 and GS39 and open up grave. Get HP10 from Gravedigging. Enter grave. Play Sun's Song for HP11. Sell Spooky Mask. Superslide to Market. Get Bunny hood. Sell bunny hood. Enter Lon Lon Ranch at night. GS40 on building. GS41 in tree. GS42 on wooden part of the ranch. GS43 by cow building. Enter that building for HP12. Play Sun's Song. Get Epona's Song. Play Cucco game for empty bottle#3. Superslide to Market. Enter side building. 15 rupees, GS44 and Mask of Truth. Borrow Zora Mask.

Segment 28: Enter Lost Woods. Get Deku Nut upgrade.

Segment 29: Superslide to Market. Bombchu Bowling Alley for HP13 and Bomb Bag upgrade. Buy a Blue Fire. To ToT for Master Sword.

Segment 30: Superslide to Kakariko, enter Windmill for HP14 and SoS. enter Graveyard. Get Hookshot, then re-race Dampe for HP15, Shadow Early w/o Din's Fire.

Segment 31: Hover Boots

Segment 32: Savewarp

Segment 33: Superslide to Zora's River. Get GS45, GS46 along the way to ZD. Navigate Zora's Domain. Get Farore's Wind. Get GS47 in hidden GS lair w/o SG. HP16 on ice floats. Enter Ice Cavern.

Segment 34: Navigate Ice Cavern. Collect GS48-GS50, HP17, Iron Boots, and Serenade of Water. Save one blue fire

Segment 35: Leave Ice Cavern, HP18 at bottom of Zora's Fountain. Thaw King Zora for Zora Tunic. GS51 by waterfall, enter Lost Woods. Go to Goron City. Bomb the "Link" Goron for Goron Tunic. Go to Death Mountain Trail. Get GS52 behind red rock. Backflip onto DC for HP19. Bomb wall for GS53. Enter DC.

Segment 36: Travel to DMC, Bolero of Fire.

Segment 36: Superslide to Lost Woods. Get GS54 in Kokiri Forest. Enter Lost Woods, Navigate to Sacred Meadow Forest, GS55, Minuet of Forest, enter Forest Temple.

Segment 37: GS56-GS59. Fairy Bow.

Segment 38: GS60

Segment 39: Go down elevator. GS61, Phantom Ganon. Forest Medallion, Heart Container.

Segment 40: Warp to Lake Hylia, activate scarecrow's song, hookshot to fishing hole, pay 20 rupees, steal rod, go in water, go out.

Segment 41: Bottle on B. Prelude of Light. Go back in time. Zora Mask on c-right. Go back through time. Bolero of Fire. Get Persription. Re-equip Master Sword.

Segment 42: Warp to Lake Hylia. Enter Water Temple.

Segment 43: GS62

Segment 44: GS63, GS64, longshot

Segment 45: GS65, GS66

Segment 46: Water Medallion, Heart Container, Fire Arrow.

Segment 47: Superslide to Lon Lon Ranch. Get Epona. Get big poe#8, #9 along the way to GV. Stop at secret hole for GS67. Jump gap w/ Epona. GS68, GS69, Enter Gerudo's Fortress. Fight first Gerudo woman.

Segment 48: Navigate GF and TH for GS70, HP20, and Gerudo's Membership Card.

Segment 49: Finish off GF for GS71, HP21, and Big Quiver.

Segment 50: Warp to Lake Hylia. Clip through laboratory and warp to Zora's Domain. Eyeball frog. Warp to Lake Hylia using OoB glitch. Eyedrops. Superslide to Kakariko Villiage. DM. Get Claim Check.

Segment 51: Deposit big poes. Collect big poes #1, #4, #5 on way to Lost Woods. Get GS72 in LW. Enter Goron City. Get GS73 on platform. Warp to DMC. HP22 on volcano.

Segment 52: Warp to Lake Hylia. Fishing Hole. Pay 20 rupees and steal the rod. Go in water and come out.

Segment 53: (Deku stick is on B.) Drop off Poes. Superslide to Zora's River. Get bugs in bottle. Bottle on B. Dump bugs. Put bugs on B with Lens of Truth on c-right. (Puts bottle on Megaton Hammer slot, is replaced with hammer once you get it.) Warp to Lake Hylia. Activate Scarecrow's Song. HP23 on top of lab. Get GS74 and HP24 in Lab. Ride Epona to Hyrule Field. HP25 in secret hole. Get big poes #7, #6, #3 on the way to Kakariko Village. Navigate DM. Get GS75 behind red rock along the way. Play Sun's Song 6 times in DMC(or how many to make it 3 days total since claim check was gotten.) for Biggoron's Sword. Bolero of Fire. Enter Fire Temple. Fire Arrow RBA for boss key. Equip Biggoron's Sword.

Segment 54: Fire temple pt. 1

Segment 55: Fire temple pt. 2 GS76

Segment 56: Megaton Hammer, GS77-79. (Don't know if you can do this in one segment.)

Segment 57: GS80(possibly it's own segment?), Heart Container, Fire Medallion.

Segment 58: Drop off Poes. Get big poes #2, #10. Enter secret hole for HP26.

Segment 59: Become a kid, Din's Fire, GS81 in SoS hole. Bottled Bugs.

Segment 60: Prelude of Light. Superslide to Zora's River. GS82 in tree. HP27, HP28 from frogs. Bolero of Fire, Bottled Bugs for GS83. Serenade of Water. GS84 on island.

Segment 61: Serenade of Water. GS85 on side of lab. GS86 from bottled bugs. Superslide to HF. Superslide to GV. Megaflip to ledge for HP29. Megaflip to bottled bugs in hole for GS87. Climb ladder for HP30. OoB glitch. Cucco jump. Superslide to GF. Enter Gerudo Training Ground through preloaded glitch.

Segment 62: Ice Arrows.

Segment 63: Minuet of Forest for Saria's Song. Go to LW. Enter wrong section, return. Play Saria's Song to skull kid for HP31. Bottled Bugs in hole for GS88. Deku Stick upgrade. Prelude of Light, become adult.

Segment 64: Drop off Poes. Empty Bottle#4. Superslide to Kakariko Village. Nocturne of Shadow. Biggest Quiver, HP32 in skulltula house, GS89 on roof, HP33 on roof, HP34 in house, Nocturne of Shadow. enter Shadow Temple.

Segment 65: Shadow Temple. GS90-GS94. Heart Container, Shadow Medallion. After returning to Graveyard, longshot the box for HP35.

Segment 66: Play Requiem of Spirt. Superslide to GS95 on tree. get on bean plant. HP36. SB to silver gauntlet chest. (Skip SG) Set FW in first room. Get GS96.

Segment 67: Skip silver block get GS97 and small key.

Segment 68: Use FW. Superslide to Mirror Shield ledge for Mirror Shield. Set FW in anubis room. Navigate ST until Boss Key. Use FW. Kill anubises, get GS98. ST SB. Fight Iron Knuckle and Twinrova. Heart Container, Spirit Medallion.

Segment 69: Requiem of Spirit. Superslide to Nayru's Love. Get GS99 along the way.

Segment 70: Light Arrow cutscene. Enter Ganon's Castle area. Make Rainbow Bridge to Ganon's Castle. GS100 on archway. Clip into GFF for double hearts. Enter Ganon's Castle.

Segment 71: Get Golden Gauntlets.

Segment 72: Megaflip past barriers.

Segment 73: Final Boss. Win.

[quote="MrGrunz"]
making a BA-route for a 100% run should be pretty hard.
good luck with it

are the only skipable things with BA water temple boss key and half of the trade quest?
[/quote]

You could probably skip the silver gauntlets by RBA'ing the medallions and getting the golden gauntlets early.

Edit: I actually decided to revise the current route and implement BA/RBA into the run. It uses BA to skip half of the biggoron's sword quest, and RBA for Fire Temple key.

First changes are just skipping the trade quest items, then BA starts at Segment 48.

I was unsure about the Fire Temple and how much could actually be skipped with RBA. And I also think the shortcut to Lake Hylia with the Eyeball Frog can't be done using this route.

Edit 2: Woops. I messed up. I realize that we need to BA before we get the zora tunic. I'll keep the route up if anyone wants to fix it.

Edit 3: Okay, I have fixed it. At least I hope I have. There are some very long segments, though. The fix lets us do the Zora's Domain - Lake Hylia shortcut, but we have to steal the rod twice.

Edit 4: Wow, I just realized that tunics don't matter in Zora Mask RBA. Oh well, I'll keep this route. Seems like it would be faster anyway.

Segment 1: Opening

Segment 2: Sword

Segment 3: Shield

Segment 4: Slingshot

Segment 5: GS1, 5 Deku Nuts, Open Web

Segment 6: Gohma, Heart C., Emerald

Segment 7: Fairy Ocarina, Superslide to Market. 40 rupees. get Pocket Cucco. GS2. Wake up Talon, enter castle. Navigate guards. Zelda Cutscenes. Zelda's Letter + Zelda's Lullaby. Backwalk to Kakariko. Cucco gathering and open gate. Empty Bottle#1. Enter Graveyard. Get Sun's Song.

Segment 8: Superslide to Lake Hylia. Scarecrow Song and Bug in Bottle. enter fishing game. HP1 + Gold Scale. Get Empty Bottle#2, enter Zora's Domain. Show letter to King. Enter Zora's Fountain. enter Jabu-Jabu w/o fish.

Segment 9: Navigate Jabu Jabu and w/ Ruto. GS3. Get Boomerang, fall through hole, GS4, GS5.

Segment 10: Megaflip off Jellyfish to ledge. OI switch. (save bugs) Navigate proceeding room. GS6. Beat Barinade. Heart C., Sapphire. Get GS's in Zora's Fountain. GS7, GS8. Enter Zora's Domain. Light torches for HP2. Go to Zora's River. Collect items. GS9, HP3, HP4, buy two beans. Plant one.

Segment 11: Superslide to Gerudo Valley. Get GS10 on wall by bridge. Cucco jump the fence. Enter Thieve's Hideout.

Segment 12: Navigate Haunted Wasteland. Get GS11 along the way. Plant Bean in front of ST. GS12. Enter ST.

Segment 13: Navigate child section of ST. Collect GS13 and GS14 along the way. 10 Bombchu

Segment 14: Requiem of Spirit.

Segment 15: Superslide to Market (9 bombchu left). Get Keatan's Mask. Backwalk to Kakariko. Well early glitch.

Segment 16: Navigate well. Lower water level. Collect GS15, GS16, GS17, Lens of Truth, Hylian Shield, and 10 bombchu (18 total)

Segment 17: GS18, GS19 in Kakariko. Give Keatan's Mask to guard, enter Death Mountain Trail. Bombchu DC boulder. Bugs in hole. GS20. Enter DC.

Segment 18: Bomb wall. (16 bombchu left) Bombchu hover from ledge onto Dodongo's head for SB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSVjtBlER7c (5 bombchu left), Bombchu Dodongo's Eyes. (3 bombchu left) Bomb Bag, Navigate to Bomb flower room. GS21, GS22.

Segment 19: Blow up wall on right side of DC. Bomb hover onto scarecrow platform for GS23. blow up wall. GS24.

Segment 20: Enter Dodongo's head. Navigate to other side for GS25. OI switch. Bomb hole. Fight King Dodongo. HeartC., Ruby, re-enter DC.

Segment 21: Navigate Death Mountain Trail to Great Fairy Fountain. 20 rupees. Obtain Magic. Enter Death Mountain Crater. GS26, HP5, Megaflip into Great Fairy Fountain for double magic. Enter Goron City. Light torches to make the vase spin. Throw in Bomb. HP6 + 25 rupees, bomb big Goron for Bomb bag upgrade. bomb through rock maze. GS27, bug in bottle.

Segment 22: GS28 in KF. Superslide to Market. (Zelda Cutscene) Get Ocarina of Time + Song of Time. Get Skull Mask. Slingshot upgrade. Market at night for HP7 and HP8.

Segment 23: bottled bugs in hole by kokiri market. GS29, To the Deku Tree.

Segment 24: Jump down hole in deku tree. GS30, GS31. Crawl through hole, bomb wall to secret room, GS32.

Segment 25: Savewarp

Segment 26: Enter lost woods. Deku Seed upgrade. Play ocarina game with skullkids. HP9. Navigate to hidden hole. bottled bugs for GS33 + Deku Stick upgrade. Sell Skull Mask.

Segment 27: Superslide to Market. Get Spooky Mask. Get GS34 in hole along the way to Kakariko. Play Sun's Song to enter before 00:00. remaining Kakariko at Night GS's. GS35-GS37. Get wallet upgrades + Stone of Agony. Dampe's Graveyard digging. While he's walking, collect GS38 and GS39 and open up grave. Get HP10 from Gravedigging. Enter grave. Play Sun's Song for HP11. Sell Spooky Mask. Superslide to Market. Get Bunny hood. Sell bunny hood. Enter Lon Lon Ranch at night. GS40 on building. GS41 in tree. GS42 on wooden part of the ranch. GS43 by cow building. Enter that building for HP12. Play Sun's Song. Get Epona's Song. Play Cucco game for empty bottle#3. Superslide to Market. Enter side building. 15 rupees, GS44 and Mask of Truth. Borrow Zora Mask.

Segment 28: Enter Lost Woods. Get Deku Nut upgrade.

Segment 29: Superslide to Market. Bombchu Bowling Alley for HP13 and Bomb Bag upgrade. Buy a Blue Fire. To ToT for Master Sword.

Segment 30: Superslide to Kakariko,  enter Windmill for HP14 and SoS. enter Graveyard. Get Hookshot, then re-race Dampe for HP15, Shadow Early w/o Din's Fire.

Segment 31: Hover Boots

Segment 32: Savewarp

Segment 33: Superslide to Zora's River. Get GS45, GS46 along the way to ZD. Navigate Zora's Domain. Get Farore's Wind. Get GS47 in hidden GS lair w/o SG. HP16 on ice floats. Enter Ice Cavern.

Segment 34: Navigate Ice Cavern. Collect GS48-GS50, HP17, Iron Boots, and Serenade of Water. Save one blue fire

Segment 35: Leave Ice Cavern, HP18 at bottom of Zora's Fountain. Thaw King Zora for Zora Tunic. GS51 by waterfall, enter Lost Woods. Go to Goron City. Bomb the "Link" Goron for Goron Tunic. Go to Death Mountain Trail. Get GS52 behind red rock. Backflip onto DC for HP19. Bomb wall for GS53. Enter DC.

Segment 36: Travel to DMC, Bolero of Fire.

Segment 36: Superslide to Lost Woods. Get GS54 in Kokiri Forest. Enter Lost Woods, Navigate to Sacred Meadow Forest, GS55, Minuet of Forest, enter Forest Temple.

Segment 37: GS56-GS59. Fairy Bow.

Segment 38: GS60

Segment 39: Go down elevator. GS61, Phantom Ganon. Forest Medallion, Heart Container.

Segment 40: Warp to Lake Hylia, activate scarecrow's song, hookshot to fishing hole, pay 20 rupees, steal rod, go in water, go out.

Segment 41: Bottle on B. Prelude of Light. Go back in time. Zora Mask on c-right. Go back through time. Bolero of Fire. Get Persription. Re-equip Master Sword.

Segment 42: Warp to Lake Hylia. Enter Water Temple.

Segment 43: GS62

Segment 44: GS63, GS64, longshot

Segment 45: GS65, GS66

Segment 46: Water Medallion, Heart Container, Fire Arrow.

Segment 47: Superslide to Lon Lon Ranch. Get Epona. Get big poe#8, #9 along the way to GV. Stop at secret hole for GS67. Jump gap w/ Epona. GS68, GS69, Enter Gerudo's Fortress. Fight first Gerudo woman.

Segment 48: Navigate GF and TH for GS70, HP20, and Gerudo's Membership Card.

Segment 49: Finish off GF for GS71, HP21, and Big Quiver.

Segment 50: Warp to Lake Hylia. Clip through laboratory and warp to Zora's Domain. Eyeball frog. Warp to Lake Hylia using OoB glitch. Eyedrops. Superslide to Kakariko Villiage. DM. Get Claim Check.

Segment 51: Deposit big poes. Collect big poes #1, #4, #5 on way to Lost Woods. Get GS72 in LW. Enter Goron City. Get GS73 on platform. Warp to DMC. HP22 on volcano.

Segment 52: Warp to Lake Hylia. Fishing Hole. Pay 20 rupees and steal the rod. Go in water and come out.

Segment 53: (Deku stick is on B.) Drop off Poes. Superslide to Zora's River. Get bugs in bottle. Bottle on B. Dump bugs. Put bugs on B with Lens of Truth on c-right. (Puts bottle on Megaton Hammer slot, is replaced with hammer once you get it.) Warp to Lake Hylia. Activate Scarecrow's Song. HP23 on top of lab. Get GS74 and HP24 in Lab. Ride Epona to Hyrule Field. HP25 in secret hole. Get big poes #7, #6, #3 on the way to Kakariko Village. Navigate DM. Get GS75 behind red rock along the way.  Play Sun's Song 6 times in DMC(or how many to make it 3 days total since claim check was gotten.) for Biggoron's Sword. Bolero of Fire. Enter Fire Temple. Fire Arrow RBA for boss key. Equip Biggoron's Sword.

Segment 54: Fire temple pt. 1

Segment 55: Fire temple pt. 2 GS76

Segment 56: Megaton Hammer, GS77-79. (Don't know if you can do this in one segment.)

Segment 57: GS80(possibly it's own segment?), Heart Container, Fire Medallion.

Segment 58: Drop off Poes. Get big poes #2, #10. Enter secret hole for HP26.

Segment 59: Become a kid, Din's Fire, GS81 in SoS hole. Bottled Bugs.

Segment 60: Prelude of Light. Superslide to Zora's River. GS82 in tree. HP27, HP28 from frogs. Bolero of Fire, Bottled Bugs for GS83. Serenade of Water. GS84 on island.

Segment 61: Serenade of Water. GS85 on side of lab. GS86 from bottled bugs. Superslide to HF. Superslide to GV. Megaflip to ledge for HP29. Megaflip to bottled bugs in hole for GS87. Climb ladder for HP30. OoB glitch. Cucco jump. Superslide to GF. Enter Gerudo Training Ground through preloaded glitch.

Segment 62: Ice Arrows.

Segment 63: Minuet of Forest for Saria's Song. Go to LW. Enter wrong section, return. Play Saria's Song to skull kid for HP31. Bottled Bugs in hole for GS88. Deku Stick upgrade. Prelude of Light, become adult.

Segment 64: Drop off Poes. Empty Bottle#4. Superslide to Kakariko Village. Nocturne of Shadow. Biggest Quiver, HP32 in skulltula house, GS89 on roof, HP33 on roof, HP34 in house, Nocturne of Shadow. enter Shadow Temple.

Segment 65: Shadow Temple. GS90-GS94. Heart Container, Shadow Medallion. After returning to Graveyard, longshot the box for HP35.

Segment 66: Play Requiem of Spirt. Superslide to GS95 on tree. get on bean plant. HP36. SB to silver gauntlet chest. (Skip SG) Set FW in first room. Get GS96.

Segment 67: Skip silver block get GS97 and small key.

Segment 68: Use FW. Superslide to Mirror Shield ledge for Mirror Shield. Set FW in anubis room. Navigate ST until Boss Key. Use FW. Kill anubises, get GS98. ST SB. Fight Iron Knuckle and Twinrova. Heart Container, Spirit Medallion.

Segment 69: Requiem of Spirit. Superslide to Nayru's Love. Get GS99 along the way.

Segment 70: Light Arrow cutscene. Enter Ganon's Castle area. Make Rainbow Bridge to Ganon's Castle. GS100 on archway. Clip into GFF for double hearts. Enter Ganon's Castle.

Segment 71: Get Golden Gauntlets.

Segment 72: Megaflip past barriers.

Segment 73: Final Boss. Win.

Kazooie

2008-11-01 01:40:28 am

Zelda Rulez!

Sorry if this is offtopic but I don't like about that idea how we use BA on 100% run and on NMS run Undecided

There should be only any% run what use BA to my oppinion. But if sda can accept it I will don't argue about it then anymore. But this is my point.

MrGrunz

2008-11-01 04:07:27 am

Merry Chrismas =)

I also don't like the idea.
the people who watch the run want to see somebody playing trough a temple not backflipping and then entering the boss room.

ok, that was my opinion Wink

what is the shortcut to lake hylia you wrote about?

groobo

2008-11-01 04:09:08 am

boss

Oh, I beg to differ.

Toes

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Toes: 2008-11-01 10:35:02 am

2008-11-01 09:42:22 am

Quote from MrGrunz:

I also don't like the idea.
the people who watch the run want to see somebody playing trough a temple not backflipping and then entering the boss room.

ok, that was my opinion Wink

what is the shortcut to lake hylia you wrote about?

Near the entrance of Zora's Domain, if you fell off the ledge there is a ladder you can climb up.
If you hookshot the top right corner of the ladder you grab the ledge, only you are in the wall. Then press A to let go and press B to jumpslash. You are now out of bounds and can use the child warp to Lake Hylia.

I also had another idea for the BA route.
It doesn't skip half of the trade quest, instead it uses RBA to get medallions and Light Arrows early so you can RBA them in the spirit temple for the boss key.

Edit: Another idea: BA for poachers saw, show the carpenter, RBA the broken goron sword, light arrows early. If I remember correctly using this for spirit temple RBA can skip a lot. Get silver gauntlets, hoverslide to mirror shield, lower the platform, longshot to boss door, and there you go. Most of the temple skipped.

[quote="MrGrunz"]
I also don't like the idea.
the people who watch the run want to see somebody playing trough a temple not backflipping and then entering the boss room.

ok, that was my opinion  ;)

what is the shortcut to lake hylia you wrote about?
[/quote]

Near the entrance of Zora's Domain, if you fell off the ledge there is a ladder you can climb up.
If you hookshot the top right corner of the ladder you grab the ledge, only you are in the wall. Then press A to let go and press B to jumpslash. You are now out of bounds and can use the child warp to Lake Hylia.

I also had another idea for the BA route.
It doesn't skip half of the trade quest, instead it uses RBA to get medallions and Light Arrows early so you can RBA them in the spirit temple for the boss key.

Edit: Another idea: BA for poachers saw, show the carpenter, RBA the broken goron sword, light arrows early. If I remember correctly using this for spirit temple RBA can skip a lot. Get silver gauntlets, hoverslide to mirror shield, lower the platform, longshot to boss door, and there you go. Most of the temple skipped.

petrie911

2008-11-01 01:38:21 pm

Everybody loves Hypnotoad!

RBA for the medallions makes you lose the Light medallion permanently. Since all medallions is part of both NMS and 100%, IIRC, it can't be used.

Mp16

2008-11-01 06:24:26 pm

Quote:

You could probably skip the silver gauntlets by RBA'ing the medallions and getting the golden gauntlets early.

Edit: I actually decided to revise the current route and implement BA/RBA into the run. It uses BA to skip half of the biggoron's sword quest, and RBA for Fire Temple key.

I don't plan on getting the Silver Gauntlets anyway. Wink

Thanks for the idea of RBA'ing for the Big Key in the Fire Temple. But it's a lot faster to just get the Big Key the regular way. After all, there is a GS in one of the rooms right before the Big Key.

Also, it's slower to use BA to skip half the biggoron's quest because I collect a lot of items along the route I'd use for the item trading and either way I'd have to take the same route (or slightly altered) to collect everything just minus a few biggoron items. Skipping getting the Biggoron items up to the Poachers Saw could save maybe 90 seconds at best and BA'ing for the Poacher's Saw or even the Broken Goron Sword takes a lot longer to do.

I actually don't think there is any way to speed up a 100% run with BA/RBA. But feel free to keep looking. I will implement it if it is faster.

[quote]You could probably skip the silver gauntlets by RBA'ing the medallions and getting the golden gauntlets early.

Edit: I actually decided to revise the current route and implement BA/RBA into the run. It uses BA to skip half of the biggoron's sword quest, and RBA for Fire Temple key.[/quote]

I don't plan on getting the Silver Gauntlets anyway. ;)

Thanks for the idea of RBA'ing for the Big Key in the Fire Temple. But it's a lot faster to just get the Big Key the regular way. After all, there is a GS in one of the rooms right before the Big Key.

Also, it's slower to use BA to skip half the biggoron's quest because I collect a lot of items along the route I'd use for the item trading and either way I'd have to take the same route (or slightly altered) to collect everything just minus a few biggoron items. Skipping getting the Biggoron items up to the Poachers Saw could save maybe 90 seconds at best and BA'ing for the Poacher's Saw or even the Broken Goron Sword takes a lot longer to do.

I actually don't think there is any way to speed up a 100% run with BA/RBA. But feel free to keep looking. I will implement it if it is faster.

ZeroGX

2008-11-02 01:06:59 am

Quote from Kazooie:

Sorry if this is offtopic but I don't like about that idea how we use BA on 100% run and on NMS run Undecided

There should be only any% run what use BA to my oppinion. But if sda can accept it I will don't argue about it then anymore. But this is my point.

In my opinion,I would say that a BA run would be like a low%,or I could be wrong.

C_Ice

2008-11-02 03:10:58 am

Quote from darklink23jdm:

Quote from Kazooie:

Sorry if this is offtopic but I don't like about that idea how we use BA on 100% run and on NMS run Undecided

There should be only any% run what use BA to my oppinion. But if sda can accept it I will don't argue about it then anymore. But this is my point.

In my opinion,I would say that a BA run would be like a low%,or I could be wrong.

indeed, but you can also use BA to get several items for the 100% playthrough.
in otherwords: getting 100% by backflipping and slipperyfish-action. pretty boring,though

MrGrunz

2008-11-05 11:49:40 am

Merry Chrismas =)

ok, this is for my MQ run.

Am I just too stupid or is it true, that I can't get up to the switch without longshot in the room with the bridge in the shadow temple?
I have enough bombchus left to hover up there, but isn't there an other way?

a quick answer would be nice.

@toesrus
you don't have to lower the platform. I found a way to get behind the face without the platform a few months ago Wink

and for the 100% route:

maybe you could use the boss room without boss key trick, but I'm not sure if there's a skulltula in one of the rooms that are skipped with this trick.

ZFG

2008-11-05 05:11:52 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Quote from MrGrunz:

ok, this is for my MQ run.

Am I just too stupid or is it true, that I can't get up to the switch without longshot in the room with the bridge in the shadow temple?
I have enough bombchus left to hover up there, but isn't there an other way?

Sorry,you gotta hover.

MrGrunz

2008-11-05 05:31:32 pm

Merry Chrismas =)

damn

Petrie also told me that one hour ago.
I have about 15 bombchus left, so it is doable, but I then I have to be a little bit creative in the spirit temple segment, because I have to kill 4 beamos with bombs.
sometimes they did after one explosion and sometimes you need 2 bombs to kill them.
why?

ZFG

2008-11-05 06:41:54 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Quote from MrGrunz:

damn

Petrie also told me that one hour ago.
I have about 15 bombchus left, so it is doable, but I then I have to be a little bit creative in the spirit temple segment, because I have to kill 4 beamos with bombs.
sometimes they did after one explosion and sometimes you need 2 bombs to kill them.
why?

I usualy get the shadow temple hover in about 11 chus, but it might be doable with 10.

About the beamos, the small ones die with 1 bomb and the big ones die with 2. Its not random.

Mp16

2008-11-12 02:33:12 pm

Would SDA allow this in my 100% run?

I could damage Link by falling high off the bridge when getting the 40 rupees (for segment 7) and three more hearts from the GS outside Hyrule. This wouldn't cost any time because I would just have to wait for Talon to wake up anyways. Then when I'm in Zelda's outside room thing, I would slingshot the window, then have that bomb blow me up to skip the scene.

And so the slingshot total doesn't change by the end of the segment, I could save one of the slingshot bullets in the Sun's Room tomb and instead stab two of the four Keese.

This would save about two minutes.

The only problem is when loading the game for the future segments, I won't have a death. (It reads 000 when it would have to read 001.) But timing doesn't start when loading the game, so would it matter? I could have a death for Segment 21, but that still leaves segments 8-20 wrong.

Would SDA still allow it?

Satoryu

2008-11-12 02:49:00 pm

Visually Appealing

yeah, that's perfectly legal.

Mp16

2008-11-12 03:00:44 pm

Sweet! I expect a 2:25 improvement for segment 7 then!

So, what should I do about the 000 death thing? Should I just leave it at 0 death's, or for segment 21, should I have a death count of 001?

mrgrunz(forgot to log in)

2008-11-12 03:27:53 pm

just leave 000 there

any idea how I could damage myself in my MQ run? my lullaby segment is directly after meeting sheik. it would be night when I enter the castle moat. brian, could you tell me where the skulltula you mentioned is?

ok, and for your 100% run:
you want to do the guard thing, a damn hard lullaby skip, coccu collecting, hit 2 kees in one shoot and getting the sun's song in one segment?
that will be even harder than segment4 of the ba-run, IMO