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YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-07-15 01:14:47 pm

2006-07-15 01:14:08 pm

Speed is the key.

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Ouch, I hate it when that happens. How exactly did you break them? BTW, get titanium framed glasses next, they are WAY more durable. I once broke 4 pairs of glasses in one week (counting the ones that I had technically already bought but the lady broke them right before handing them to me while adjusting them) and in the end settled on titanium frames. They are cool looking and haven't broken yet (although I need new lenses soon as my eyesight sucks a lot).

I will probably get lenses as a backup if the new glasses breaks. I dunno how they did borke, though... they just... fell apart. Tongue

I've got some good news and some bad news on the run...

The good news is that Acryte found a trick that'll let me skip half of the Deku Tree.

The bad news is that if I just redo segment 4 with the trick, I will spend one less slingshot bullet, so the next segment will start with 28 instead of 27. I could of course shoot one extra somewhere... I'll probably do that on the skulltula, I wont lose any time...

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Ouch, I hate it when that happens. How exactly did you break them? BTW, get titanium framed glasses next, they are WAY more durable. I once broke 4 pairs of glasses in one week (counting the ones that I had technically already bought but the lady broke them right before handing them to me while adjusting them) and in the end settled on titanium frames. They are cool looking and haven't broken yet (although I need new lenses soon as my eyesight sucks a lot).[/quote]
I will probably get lenses as a backup if the new glasses breaks. I dunno how they did borke, though... they just... fell apart. :P

I've got some good news and some bad news on the run...

The good news is that Acryte found a trick that'll let me skip half of the Deku Tree.

The bad news is that if I just redo segment 4 with the trick, I will spend one less slingshot bullet, so the next segment will start with 28 instead of 27. I could of course shoot one extra somewhere... I'll probably do that on the skulltula, I wont lose any time...

DK64_MASTER

2006-07-15 05:53:18 pm

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The bad news is that if I just redo segment 4 with the trick, I will spend one less slingshot bullet, so the next segment will start with 28 instead of 27. I could of course shoot one extra somewhere... I'll probably do that on the skulltula, I wont lose any time...

Lol, cheater :D.

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-07-15 06:01:51 pm

2006-07-15 06:01:17 pm

Speed is the key.

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Lol, cheater :D.

I know, it's just that I don't want to redo segments 6, 7 and 8. Tongue

I must be obsessed with running this game... even though I could hardly see I did some attempts at segment 8. I sat like one inch from the TV and my eyes hurt afterwards... the good thing is that I managed to improve it by maybe 10 seconds and it's going to be the final time on this segment. The Barinade battle was a few seconds slower but still acceptable, everything else was done a little faster, besides lighting torches.

Oh, and not a word on that bubble. Before that sucessful segment, I had 9 tries in a row where I backwalked past both bubbles perfectly, but all were failed attempts. Even if I turn around and roll, I'll very often get hit by a bubble. The segment must be cursed or something. Roll Eyes

Anyway...

Segment 8, Part 1 (new)

Segment 8, Part 2 (new)

Manocheese

2006-07-15 08:11:47 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Comments:

-The bub-*is shot*

-Up to Barinade was fast.

-Barinade was slower, but still good.

-Torch lighting lost a couple seconds.

-That Octorok hit cost a little time.

-If you move forward a little before the boomerang reaches you when you're getting the Heart Pieces, does that help or does it just mess up their positioning?

Good segment overall.

MissileWaster

2006-07-15 09:29:10 pm

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I will probably get lenses as a backup if the new glasses breaks. I dunno how they did borke, though... they just... fell apart. Tongue

Heh, that has happened to me before, when sometimes the screw holding in the ear part things will just fall out Tongue

I'm currently loading up part one of the new segment 8, I already watched the original last night and it was pretty good.

Mad_Andy

2006-07-15 10:36:10 pm

Hehe, it's definately better. You lost some time with the tourches and getting hit but nothing bad. Well done Smiley

Only thing though is...have you made the right choice buying a 3rd magic bean now that shadow early (and therefore the piece of heart) is possible without it?

Manocheese

2006-07-16 07:18:27 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

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The good news is that Acryte found a trick that'll let me skip half of the Deku Tree.

The bad news is that if I just redo segment 4 with the trick, I will spend one less slingshot bullet, so the next segment will start with 28 instead of 27. I could of course shoot one extra somewhere... I'll probably do that on the skulltula, I wont lose any time...

You should do it while waiting for Gohma to drop.

YautjaElder

2006-07-16 04:32:37 pm

Speed is the key.

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-If you move forward a little before the boomerang reaches you when you're getting the Heart Pieces, does that help or does it just mess up their positioning?

It probably doesn't. I dunno why I didn't do it, I just didn't think of it, or I didn't want to mess up because of the slightly different movement when the boomerang is flying.

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Only thing though is...have you made the right choice buying a 3rd magic bean now that shadow early (and therefore the piece of heart) is possible without it?

I'm pretty sure it'll save time, since I have to go up there twice.

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You should do it while waiting for Gohma to drop.

Good idea.

I will do some more attempts at segment 9 today.

YautjaElder

2006-07-17 04:14:43 pm

Speed is the key.

That cucco jump is giving me a headache... the line up for the jump is easy and the jumpslash is a piece of cake... but the jump I find extremely hard. I finished one sucessful attempt where I failed the jump once but got it on my second try.

Unless I find a way to make the jump easier, this will have to be my final segment 9...

Mad_Andy

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Mad_Andy: 2006-07-17 04:52:26 pm

2006-07-17 04:50:43 pm

2nd attempt is still good. TSA was talking about having up to 5 tries even for segmented. The gate skip is insanely hard for 1st try, and for the kind of lengthy segments that you're doing it's still good. However, i suggest to upload it so i can give you a final opinion on it.

YautjaElder

2006-07-17 05:53:42 pm

Speed is the key.

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2nd attempt is still good. TSA was talking about having up to 5 tries even for segmented. The gate skip is insanely hard for 1st try, and for the kind of lengthy segments that you're doing it's still good. However, i suggest to upload it so i can give you a final opinion on it.

I guess, but it's a really short segment, and there was some other small mistakes in it too (can't check atm).

I'll probably upload it later.

bartendorsparky

2006-07-18 08:59:58 pm

not sure if this is known, but when getting the gold skultilla atop the watchtower in kakariko, you can also get the heart piece from the guy on the roof very quickly. just continue climbing to the top of the tower after getting the token, face toward the middle of town, then sidehop left to land on top of the high fence. then just hop to the roof and talk to the guy.

YautjaElder

2006-07-18 09:04:05 pm

Speed is the key.

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not sure if this is known, but when getting the gold skultilla atop the watchtower in kakariko, you can also get the heart piece from the guy on the roof very quickly. just continue climbing to the top of the tower after getting the token, face toward the middle of town, then sidehop left to land on top of the high fence. then just hop to the roof and talk to the guy.

Yup, known, but it's faster to longshot there. Wink

I'm still attempting segment 9, but I haven't been able to do too much. I'll probably nail it tomorrow, though.

Mad_Andy

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Mad_Andy: 2006-07-19 01:55:46 am

2006-07-19 01:50:13 am

Now that the hover glitch is been found, it's probably possible to cross the gap in water temple, get the longshot and therefore skip the hookshot. I'm pretty sure skipping a race with dampe will save time, so you just race him once for the piece of heart. That is, if there's somehow into the water temple without using the hookshot.

That wouldn't change the route much, either. Just don't enter the grave on the adult first segment and instead go directly to the shadow temple. In the later segment where you go to the graveyard for the piece of heart and then race dampe for the piece of heart, just extend it a bit more so that you go to the windmill and get the song of storms/piece of heart there.

UchihaSasuke

2006-07-19 03:14:32 am

Stand: Devil's Call in your Heart

entering the water temple without hookshot involves boundary violations.

it would be interesting to know what happens if you race dampe after getting the longshot. will he still give you the hookshot? (and thus, overwrite the longshot, like how you can erase silver gauntlets if you pick goron bracelet after them)

Mad_Andy

2006-07-19 03:23:09 am

If you get the longshot before the hookshot you can't get the hookshot anymore. You'll just get the piece of heart.

UchihaSasuke

2006-07-19 03:29:14 am

Stand: Devil's Call in your Heart

oh i see

but i bet you would still waste lots of time entering the temple without hookshot.

it would be a cool trick to show off in a glitch run (kinda like SW runs in the metroid prime games)

Manocheese

2006-07-19 04:34:11 am

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

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(and thus, overwrite the longshot, like how you can erase silver gauntlets if you pick goron bracelet after them)

Uh, no. Darunia will act like he's already given you the Goron Bracelet.

Acryte

2006-07-19 12:42:03 pm

Zelda Scientist®

hey yautja, this is what you should do w/ ruto:

YautjaElder

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YautjaElder: 2006-07-19 12:58:20 pm

2006-07-19 12:57:38 pm

Speed is the key.

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hey yautja, this is what you should do w/ ruto:

Damn, shame I didn't know about this earlier... I wont go back and redo two segment because of it, though. It's not that big a time loss.

Manocheese: Good idea, but I know at least one place in the water temple (before the longshot) where I need the hookshot. Besides, it would take much longer to get past places where you'd need the hookshot.

I'm doing forest before water and I don't even want to think about completing that temple without the hookshot. Tongue

Mad_Andy

2006-07-19 04:38:36 pm

How about do water before forest then?

YautjaElder

2006-07-19 04:43:54 pm

Speed is the key.

Urgh...

Chance is we do something that'll ruin the run... I think it's best if I stick with this route... it's very complicated and we'd also have to replan the biggoron's sword sidequest to a probably slower route that involves much more traveling.

Mad_Andy

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Mad_Andy: 2006-07-19 05:59:59 pm

2006-07-19 05:57:03 pm

Messed a bit around with amazing ampharos' route to accomodate the change:

Segment 18:

Backwalk to Kakariko Villiage
Get Pocket Cucoo egg and hatch it(Pocket Cucoo)
Wake up Talon
Trade Pocket Cucoo(Cojiro)
Enter graveyard
Shadow Early(Hover Boots)
Savewarp to entrance of Shadow Temple

Segment 19:

Backwalk to Zora's River
Ascend Zora's River(gs45, gs46)
Enter Zora's Domain and go back to Zora's Fountain
Navigate the ice for a heart piece and get the far flung skulltulla(heart piece, gs50, Faeroe's Wind)
Enter Ice Cavern -> Save and Quit

Segment 20:

Complete Ice Cavern(gs74, gs75, gs76, Piece of Heart, Serenade of Water, Iron Boots)
Savewarp to entrance with an extra Blue Fire

Segment 21:

Go to the bottom of Zora's Fountain with Iron Boots(Heart Piece)
Thaw King Zora(Zora Tunic)
Warp to the Lost Woods via the warp in Zora's River
Trade Cojiro away(Mushroom)
Warp to Goron City via Lost Woods
Bomb "Link"(Goron Tunic, gs35)
Backwalk down the mountain to Kakariko
Trade mushroom(Odd Potion)
Savewarp

Segment 22:

Play Serenade of Water
Enter Water Temple By Laboratory Glitch. Save and quit

Segment 23:

Water Temple(Longshot, gs77, gs78, gs79, gs80, gs81, Heart Container, Water Medallion)
Activate Scarecrow's Song(Piece of Heart on lab's roof).
Hyrule Field (Piece Of Heart Underground in front of Lake Hylia)
Savewarp

Segment 24:

Backwalk to Lon Lon Ranch
Get Epona(Epona)
Ride to Kokiri Forest
Enter Kokiri Forest(gs3)
Goto lost woods and trade odd potion(poacher's saw)
Goto Sacred Forest Meadow(gs6)
Cross the maze easily with a groundjump and head over to Shiek(gs7, Minuet of Forest)
Enter Forest Temple and save and quit

Segment 25:

Forest Temple(Bow, gs64, gs65, gs66, gs67, gs68, Heart Container, Forest Medallion)
Warp to lake Hylia With Serenade Of Water
Shoot the Sun (Fire Arrows, gs54)
Savewarp

Segment 26:

Ride Epona to Gerudo Valley(2 Big Poes near Gerudo Valley)
Enter Gerudo Valley and Jump the river with Epona
Trade the Poacher's Saw and other hallibolu(Broken Goron's Sword, gs62, gs63)
Complete Gerudo's Fortress(Gerudo Membership, Piece of Heart atop fortress, gs90, gs91)
Horseback archery(piece of heart, arrow capacity upgrade)
Gerudo Training Grounds(Ice Arrows)
Savewarp

Segment 27:

Drop off Big Poes
Ride to Kakariko(3 big poes)
Goto House of Skulltulla(Piece of Heart, possible 10 free bombchus)
Longshot to rooftops(Piece of Heart)
Goto Dodongo's Cavern(gs38, gs39, gs41, gs42)
Savewarp

Segment 28:
Ascend Death Mountain
Trade Broken Goron's Sword for prescription(Prescription)
Enter Death Mountain Crater(Piece of HeartX2, Bolero of Fire)
Savewarp

Segment 29:

Drop off Big Poes
Ride to entrance to Zora's River(1 big poe)
Ascend Zora's River[planting this bean as a child might save time]
Give prescription to King Zora(gs47, Eyeball Frog)
Zora's Domain -> Lake Hylia Warp (unless it’s boundary violation, then Zora’s Domain  lost woods)
Use Iron boots in lab(gs55)
Trade Eyeball Frog(Eyedrops)
Get back to Biggoron via Lost Woods -> Goron City warp
Trade Eyedrops(2 Big Poes, Claim Check, Biggoron's Sword)
Equip Biggoron's Sword and Goron Tunic
Play Bolero of Fire
Enter Fire Temple and save and quit

Segment 30:

Fire Temple(Megaton Hammer, gs69, gs70, gs71, gs72, gs73, Heart Container, Fire Medallion)
Double your magic meter
Exit via Goron City and enter Kakariko after some poking around on Death Mountain(gs32, gs33, Piece of Heart atop Dodongo's Cavern, Nocturne of Shadow)
Archery minigame(arrow expansion upgrade)
Graveyard(piece of heart, Longshot to the roof of Impa's house(gs27))
Beat Dampe in a race(Piece of Heart)
Exit to Windmill; do not get crushed by the door
Windmill(Song of Storms, Piece of Heart)
Savewarp

Segment 31:

Drop off Big Poes
Exit to field and go right(final 2 big poes, piece of heart underground)
Savewarp

Segment 32:

Goto the back of the temple and become a kid again(Prelude of Light)
Exit Temple of Time and goto Hyrule Castle(gs20, bugs)
Play Prelude of Light
Goto Zora's River and avoid owl with groundjump(gs43, 2 pieces of heart from frogs, possible piece of heart near frogs with cucoo)
Play Bolero of Fire, pile of dirt(gs37; release bugs for good)
Play Prelude of Light
Return to being an adult
Save and quit

Segment 33:

Drop off Big Poes(Bottle)
Play Nocturne of Shadow
Enter Shadow Temple and save and quit

Segment 34:

Shadow Temple(gs85, gs86, gs87, gs88, gs89, Heart Container, Shadow Medallion)
Play Requirum of Spirit
Get Heart Piece(gs95, Piece of Heart)
Enter Spirit Temple and save and quit

Segment 35:

Adult Spirit Temple(Mirror Shield, gs99, gs100, Heart Container, Spirit Medallion)
Desert Collossus(Nayru's Love, gs94)
Savewarp

Segment 36:

Light Arrow Cutscene(Light Arrows)
Goto Ganon's Castle(gs21)
Enter Shadow section and longshot to chest(Gold Gauntlets)
Savewarp to entrance

Segment 37:

Exit Ganon's Castle and get doubled life
Re-enter and do trials skip
Save and quit

Segment 38:

Ascend tower
Final Boss Sequence

I don't know if it's faster though, that would depend how much time is lost by not having the hookshot at water temple. You'll also have to warp to lake hylia after forest to get the fire arrows, but that shouldn't take too long. Also, i never completed the game with all skulltulas, so if the skulltulas before water temple can't be gotten without hookshot then skipping it is out of the question...

Messed a bit around with amazing ampharos' route to accomodate the change:

Segment 18: 
  
Backwalk to Kakariko Villiage 
Get Pocket Cucoo egg and hatch it(Pocket Cucoo) 
Wake up Talon 
Trade Pocket Cucoo(Cojiro) 
Enter graveyard 
Shadow Early(Hover Boots) 
Savewarp to entrance of Shadow Temple 
  
Segment 19: 
  
Backwalk to Zora's River 
Ascend Zora's River(gs45, gs46) 
Enter Zora's Domain and go back to Zora's Fountain 
Navigate the ice for a heart piece and get the far flung skulltulla(heart piece, gs50, Faeroe's Wind) 
Enter Ice Cavern -> Save and Quit 
  
Segment 20: 
  
Complete Ice Cavern(gs74, gs75, gs76, Piece of Heart, Serenade of Water, Iron Boots) 
Savewarp to entrance with an extra Blue Fire 
  
Segment 21: 
  
Go to the bottom of Zora's Fountain with Iron Boots(Heart Piece) 
Thaw King Zora(Zora Tunic) 
Warp to the Lost Woods via the warp in Zora's River 
Trade Cojiro away(Mushroom) 
Warp to Goron City via Lost Woods 
Bomb "Link"(Goron Tunic, gs35) 
Backwalk down the mountain to Kakariko 
Trade mushroom(Odd Potion) 
Savewarp 
  
Segment 22: 
  
Play Serenade of Water 
Enter Water Temple By Laboratory Glitch. Save and quit
  
Segment 23: 
 
Water Temple(Longshot, gs77, gs78, gs79, gs80, gs81, Heart Container, Water Medallion) 
Activate Scarecrow's Song(Piece of Heart on lab's roof).
Hyrule Field (Piece Of Heart Underground in front of Lake Hylia)
Savewarp

Segment 24:

Backwalk to Lon Lon Ranch 
Get Epona(Epona) 
Ride to Kokiri Forest 
Enter Kokiri Forest(gs3) 
Goto lost woods and trade odd potion(poacher's saw) 
Goto Sacred Forest Meadow(gs6) 
Cross the maze easily with a groundjump and head over to Shiek(gs7, Minuet of Forest) 
Enter Forest Temple and save and quit

Segment 25:

Forest Temple(Bow, gs64, gs65, gs66, gs67, gs68, Heart Container, Forest Medallion)
Warp to lake Hylia With Serenade Of Water
Shoot the Sun (Fire Arrows, gs54)
Savewarp

Segment 26:

Ride Epona to Gerudo Valley(2 Big Poes near Gerudo Valley) 
Enter Gerudo Valley and Jump the river with Epona 
Trade the Poacher's Saw and other hallibolu(Broken Goron's Sword, gs62, gs63) 
Complete Gerudo's Fortress(Gerudo Membership, Piece of Heart atop fortress, gs90, gs91) 
Horseback archery(piece of heart, arrow capacity upgrade) 
Gerudo Training Grounds(Ice Arrows) 
Savewarp

Segment 27: 
  
Drop off Big Poes 
Ride to Kakariko(3 big poes) 
Goto House of Skulltulla(Piece of Heart, possible 10 free bombchus) 
Longshot to rooftops(Piece of Heart) 
Goto Dodongo's Cavern(gs38, gs39, gs41, gs42) 
Savewarp 
  
Segment 28: 
Ascend Death Mountain 
Trade Broken Goron's Sword for prescription(Prescription) 
Enter Death Mountain Crater(Piece of HeartX2, Bolero of Fire) 
Savewarp 
  
Segment 29: 
  
Drop off Big Poes 
Ride to entrance to Zora's River(1 big poe) 
Ascend Zora's River[planting this bean as a child might save time] 
Give prescription to King Zora(gs47, Eyeball Frog) 
Zora's Domain -> Lake Hylia Warp (unless it’s boundary violation, then Zora’s Domain &#61664; lost woods) 
Use Iron boots in lab(gs55) 
Trade Eyeball Frog(Eyedrops) 
Get back to Biggoron via Lost Woods -> Goron City warp 
Trade Eyedrops(2 Big Poes, Claim Check, Biggoron's Sword) 
Equip Biggoron's Sword and Goron Tunic 
Play Bolero of Fire 
Enter Fire Temple and save and quit 
  
Segment 30: 
  
Fire Temple(Megaton Hammer, gs69, gs70, gs71, gs72, gs73, Heart Container, Fire Medallion) 
Double your magic meter 
Exit via Goron City and enter Kakariko after some poking around on Death Mountain(gs32, gs33, Piece of Heart atop Dodongo's Cavern, Nocturne of Shadow) 
Archery minigame(arrow expansion upgrade) 
Graveyard(piece of heart, Longshot to the roof of Impa's house(gs27)) 
Beat Dampe in a race(Piece of Heart)
Exit to Windmill; do not get crushed by the door 
Windmill(Song of Storms, Piece of Heart)
Savewarp 
  
Segment 31: 
 
Drop off Big Poes 
Exit to field and go right(final 2 big poes, piece of heart underground) 
Savewarp 
 
Segment 32: 
 
Goto the back of the temple and become a kid again(Prelude of Light) 
Exit Temple of Time and goto Hyrule Castle(gs20, bugs) 
Play Prelude of Light 
Goto Zora's River and avoid owl with groundjump(gs43, 2 pieces of heart from frogs, possible piece of heart near frogs with cucoo) 
Play Bolero of Fire, pile of dirt(gs37; release bugs for good) 
Play Prelude of Light 
Return to being an adult   
Save and quit 
 
Segment 33: 
 
Drop off Big Poes(Bottle) 
Play Nocturne of Shadow 
Enter Shadow Temple and save and quit 
  
Segment 34: 
  
Shadow Temple(gs85, gs86, gs87, gs88, gs89, Heart Container, Shadow Medallion) 
Play Requirum of Spirit 
Get Heart Piece(gs95, Piece of Heart) 
Enter Spirit Temple and save and quit 
  
Segment 35: 
  
Adult Spirit Temple(Mirror Shield, gs99, gs100, Heart Container, Spirit Medallion) 
Desert Collossus(Nayru's Love, gs94) 
Savewarp 
  
Segment 36: 
  
Light Arrow Cutscene(Light Arrows) 
Goto Ganon's Castle(gs21) 
Enter Shadow section and longshot to chest(Gold Gauntlets) 
Savewarp to entrance 
  
Segment 37: 
  
Exit Ganon's Castle and get doubled life 
Re-enter and do trials skip 
Save and quit 
 
Segment 38: 
 
Ascend tower 
Final Boss Sequence

I don't know if it's faster though, that would depend how much time is lost by not having the hookshot at water temple. You'll also have to warp to lake hylia after forest to get the fire arrows, but that shouldn't take too long. Also, i never completed the game with all skulltulas, so if the skulltulas before water temple can't be gotten without hookshot then skipping it is out of the question...

petrie911

2006-07-19 06:16:27 pm

Everybody loves Hypnotoad!

There is no way into the Water Temple without the hookshot.

I think that we should just stick with the current route.

DK64_MASTER

2006-07-19 06:53:05 pm

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There is no way into the Water Temple without the hookshot.

I thought there was a boundary glitch.