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2008-03-30 06:29:05 am

MrGrunz is a guay

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Heres an alternate route that i was thinking about in order to skip the lon lon milk... I am watching the master sword cutscene and will test as soon as im done.

Everything in ZFG's route till DoT skip (minus talon and the lon lon milk)

-Kakariko for pocket egg, hookshot and shield
-RBA egg for quiver*
-RBA pocket cucco for black guantlets
-Get cojiro (dont RBA)
-Get odd mush/odd potion
-Get poachers saw and RBA for songs
-Play Nocturne and go to DC
-Get through DC up to bombs**
-Warp to ToT with Prelude or save (but youll have to steal the rod again if you do)
Follow the rest of ZFG's guide from stealing epona

*This is where the route could fall apart if the egg hatches before you RBA with it
**It might seem like this would add alot of time but it doesnt as adult link cant grab onto the platform near the bomb bag without the need to hover...

-cojiri gives you the quiver, not the egg.
-you need more than 1 bomb to steal epona

I just finished my test run with my route (not actually finished, I'm in the tower but pretty much same thing) and it works 100%

[quote]Heres an alternate route that i was thinking about in order to skip the lon lon milk... I am watching the master sword cutscene and will test as soon as im done.

Everything in ZFG's route till DoT skip (minus talon and the lon lon milk)

-Kakariko for pocket egg, hookshot and shield
-RBA egg for quiver*
-RBA pocket cucco for black guantlets
-Get cojiro (dont RBA)
-Get odd mush/odd potion
-Get poachers saw and RBA for songs
-Play Nocturne and go to DC
-Get through DC up to bombs**
-Warp to ToT with Prelude or save (but youll have to steal the rod again if you do)
Follow the rest of ZFG's guide from stealing epona

*This is where the route could fall apart if the egg hatches before you RBA with it
**It might seem like this would add alot of time but it doesnt as adult link cant grab onto the platform near the bomb bag without the need to hover...[/quote]
-cojiri gives you the quiver, not the egg.  
-you need more than 1 bomb to steal epona

I just finished my test run with my route (not actually finished, I'm in the tower but pretty much same thing) and it works 100%

chaosv1

2008-03-30 06:37:23 am

The bomb bag from DC gives you 20 bombs... and according to the cosmo RBA chart the egg does give you a quiver

Maxx

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Maxx: 2008-03-30 06:40:49 am

2008-03-30 06:40:18 am

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-cojiri gives you the quiver, not the egg.

Cosmo's page actually lists both the Pocket Egg and Cojiro as items that can give you a quiver.

Nevertheless, DC seems pretty long even as AL, and RBA with Cojiro can give you a quiver AND a bomb bag.

EDIT: Beaten.

ZAR

2008-03-30 06:59:20 am

Eeeeyah!

I just got done beating DC with Adult Link. (Up to Bomb Bag) I got 2:44. (2 Minutes and 44 seconds.) I stopped timing it right after the Bomb Bag text ended. That's pretty fast and I'm now starting to think this would be faster than RBAing 29 Bombs with Milk. We would still use Cojiro though, but after getting the Bomb Bag from DC so we don't just get 1 bomb.

ZFG

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ZFG: 2008-03-30 07:09:51 am

2008-03-30 07:03:19 am

MrGrunz is a guay

Sorry, I forgot that you wouldn't have any other bomb bag and assumed you would just get 1 bomb which is what happens when you do have a bomb bag.

Still I doubt its faster. Earlier bombs let you superslide more which saves lots of time and allows you to skip the fairy ocarina. And I've been able to get to the fishing pond before the egg hatches, but never been able to do RBA before it hatches. A TAS might be able to do it, but console would be near impossible.

Edit: Ok, we need someone to time both routes to see which is faster.

chaosv1

2008-03-30 07:31:31 am

I just found out that theres no problem with using cojiro to RBA the quiver and bomb bag, except that you cannot buy anymore bombs afterwards because the RBA erases the 20 bomb bag. That still leaves you with 20 bombs though so its fine if thats enough

ZAR

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ZAR: 2008-03-30 07:42:15 am

2008-03-30 07:41:34 am

Eeeeyah!

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I just found out that theres no problem with using cojiro to RBA the quiver and bomb bag, except that you cannot buy anymore bombs afterwards because the RBA erases the 20 bomb bag. That still leaves you with 20 bombs though so its fine if thats enough

That's plenty enough we only need about 10 bombs for the run.

ZFG about your route, instead of going back to Kakoriko with the Odd Mushroom by supersliding in Hyrule Field. I think it would be faster to go back to Goron city and hookshot up to the top. Then we would just jump off down to the Kakoriko Village. Then we would jump onto that Red roof by jumping off that ledge next to it and grabbing onto it. Then continue to Old Hags potion shop.

chaosv1

2008-03-30 08:14:14 am

oh wow i forgot one main time saver that this route affords you. The magic is in a more convenient place.

-Get through DC up to bombs**
Get magic
-Warp to ToT with Prelude or save (but youll have to steal the rod again if you do)
Follow the rest of ZFG's guide from stealing epona

Cs1987

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Cs1987: 2008-03-30 08:43:59 am

2008-03-30 08:21:29 am

Some guy

Dammit, Link rolls to the right when I try the DoT skip. Every single fricken time. Also, he rolls too far forward if I start it with a sidehop instead of a backflip. Angry

I should be able to get it by walking diagonally backwards and left to get the roll to the left. Of course it requires a different angle, which I haven't worked out yet.

EDIT: Just read Kazooie's post on page 236 again. I guess I'll work it out eventually.

ZAR

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ZAR: 2008-03-31 05:19:56 am

2008-03-30 08:46:10 am

Eeeeyah!

Here's the Route if you decide not to use Milk to Hack Bombs to 29:

Segment 1:
Opening Scene
Save

Segment 2:
Kokiri Sword (21R)
Save

Segment 3:
Shield (19R) (40 total)
Save

Segment 4:
Enter Lost Woods
Escape the Forest
Go to Kakoriko
Get Cucco Bottle
Death Warp out of Kakoriko
Go to Lake Hylia
Catch Bugs near Scarecrows
Set Scarecrow Song with Ocarina items
Take Owl Back to Hyrule Field
40R from Chains
Enter Temple of Time
Door of Time Skip
Turn Adult Link
Save

Segment 5:
Enter Kakoriko
Get Egg from Cucco Lady
Enter Graveyard
Get Hylian Sheild
Get Hookshot
Save

Segment 6:
Exit Market
Backwalk to Lake Hylia
Activate Scarecrow song with Ocarina Items
Use Ocarina Items to make Scarecrow appear near fishing pond
Hookshot up to fishing pond
Steal Rod
Get Deku Stick on B
Use Cucco to RBA Black Gauntlets into left side equipment
Backwalk to Kakoriko
Wake up Talon in House
Show Cucco Lady Cucco to get Cojiro
Enter Death Mountain
Enter Dodongo's Cavern
Bomb Rock Wall
Jump up to switch
Bomb Staircase down
Jump over to Bomb Bag chest
Open Bomb Bag chest (20Bombs)
RBA with Cojiro to get Biggest Bomb Bag and Bomb Bag
Exit DC
Enter Goron City
Show Cojiro to Young Punk to get Odd Mushroom
Go back to Goron Ctiy
Hookshot up to top and exit
Jump down to Kakoriko
Jump up onto the roof of potion shop
Enter Old Hags Potion Shop
Show Old Hag Mushroom for Odd Potion
Exit Kakoriko
Superslide to Forest (19 bombs left)
Bomb Hover over Lost Wood Bridge (18 bombs left)
Show Odd Potion to Kokiri Girl to get Poachers Saw
RBA with Poachers Saw to get Zelda's Lulluby and Nocture of Shadow
Enter Goron City
Hookshot to Top and exit Goron City
Scale Death Mountain (16 bombs left)
Blow up Wall to Fairy Fountain (15 bombs left)
Ocarina items to play Zelda's Lulluby to get Magic
Reequip Sword
Save

Segment 7:
Exit Market
Superslide to Lon Lon Ranch (14 bombs left)
Steal Epona (11 bombs left)
Go to Gerudo Vally
Cross Bridge
Trade Poachers Saw for Broken Sword
Mega Dive to Lake Hylia
Go to fishing pond
Steal Rod
Get Deku Stick onto B
Get Bottle on B
RBA Forest, Water, Shadow, and Spirit Medalions
Reequip Sword
Save

Segment 8:
Light Arrows
Enter Ganon's Castle
Buy Arrows from Deku Scrubs in Secert Area in the Castle (Under the Bridge leading into Ganon's Tower)
Bomb Hover Trials Skip (8 Bombs left)
Save

Segment 9:
Kill Ganondorf with ISG method
Superslide into Ganon's Cutscene to keep the Master Sword
Kill Ganon

Who knows which one will end up being faster. It does seem very close though since each route has its ups and downs...

Here's the Route if you decide not to use Milk to Hack Bombs to 29:

Segment 1:
Opening Scene
Save

Segment 2:
Kokiri Sword (21R)
Save

Segment 3:
Shield (19R) (40 total)
Save

Segment 4:
Enter Lost Woods
Escape the Forest
Go to Kakoriko
Get Cucco Bottle
Death Warp out of Kakoriko
Go to Lake Hylia
Catch Bugs near Scarecrows
Set Scarecrow Song with Ocarina items
Take Owl Back to Hyrule Field
40R from Chains
Enter Temple of Time
Door of Time Skip
Turn Adult Link
Save

Segment 5:
Enter Kakoriko
Get Egg from Cucco Lady
Enter Graveyard
Get Hylian Sheild
Get Hookshot
Save

Segment 6:
Exit Market
Backwalk to Lake Hylia
Activate Scarecrow song with Ocarina Items
Use Ocarina Items to make Scarecrow appear near fishing pond
Hookshot up to fishing pond
Steal Rod
Get Deku Stick on B
Use Cucco to RBA Black Gauntlets into left side equipment
Backwalk to Kakoriko
Wake up Talon in House 
Show Cucco Lady Cucco to get Cojiro
Enter Death Mountain
Enter Dodongo's Cavern
Bomb Rock Wall
Jump up to switch
Bomb Staircase down
Jump over to Bomb Bag chest
Open Bomb Bag chest (20Bombs)
RBA with Cojiro to get Biggest Bomb Bag and Bomb Bag
Exit DC
Enter Goron City
Show Cojiro to Young Punk to get Odd Mushroom
Go back to Goron Ctiy
Hookshot up to top and exit
Jump down to Kakoriko
Jump up onto the roof of potion shop
Enter Old Hags Potion Shop
Show Old Hag Mushroom for Odd Potion
Exit Kakoriko
Superslide to Forest (19 bombs left)
Bomb Hover over Lost Wood Bridge (18 bombs left)
Show Odd Potion to Kokiri Girl to get Poachers Saw
RBA with Poachers Saw to get Zelda's Lulluby and Nocture of Shadow
Enter Goron City
Hookshot to Top and exit Goron City
Scale Death Mountain (16 bombs left)
Blow up Wall to Fairy Fountain (15 bombs left)
Ocarina items to play Zelda's Lulluby to get Magic
Reequip Sword
Save

Segment 7:
Exit Market
Superslide to Lon Lon Ranch (14 bombs left)
Steal Epona (11 bombs left)
Go to Gerudo Vally
Cross Bridge
Trade Poachers Saw for Broken Sword
Mega Dive to Lake Hylia
Go to fishing pond
Steal Rod
Get Deku Stick onto B
Get Bottle on B
RBA Forest, Water, Shadow, and Spirit Medalions
Reequip Sword 
Save

Segment 8:
Light Arrows
Enter Ganon's Castle
Buy Arrows from Deku Scrubs in Secert Area in the Castle (Under the Bridge leading into Ganon's Tower)
Bomb Hover Trials Skip (8 Bombs left)
Save

Segment 9:
Kill Ganondorf with ISG method
Superslide into Ganon's Cutscene to keep the Master Sword
Kill Ganon

Who knows which one will end up being faster. It does seem very close though since each route has its ups and downs...

Juice

2008-03-30 02:27:17 pm

could somone make a test run of there route recorded and uploaded to youtube or something? It would be cool if I got to see it all done, and it might help me understand it all.

DJS

2008-03-30 02:43:48 pm

torch slug since 2006

I would like to see a test run through just like Juice mentioned on any console. But a TAS-test would also be cool. With the test run, I just wanna see someone beating the games with the 2 diffrent routes.

Kazooie

2008-03-30 03:12:04 pm

Zelda Rulez!

As I can see you guys have done much new stuff. Route also look good. I like to see too which route is faster and other thing is that too maybe I will move back to DKC3 soon Cheesy

Good job guys with this!!!!

chaosv1

2008-03-30 03:12:08 pm

@ZAR
I guess that would be a safer way to incorporate my route change since it doesnt hinge on what time you leave kakariko to get to the lake. Just one thing

Exit Kakoriko
Superslide to Forest (19 bombs left)
Bomb Hover over Lost Wood Bridge (18 bombs left)
Show Odd Potion to Kokiri Girl to get Poachers Saw

You cant use bomb hover because you cant have the sword on B

Mp16

2008-03-30 04:37:54 pm

I don't know much about RBA, but is there any way to get Longshot with it? It would be very useful such as skipping Epona and skipping Hookshot (maybe).

chaosv1

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chaosv1: 2008-03-30 05:09:06 pm

2008-03-30 04:45:37 pm

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I don't know much about RBA, but is there any way to get Longshot with it? It would be very useful such as skipping Epona and skipping Hookshot (maybe).

Ive thought about that but no... there is no way to RBA anything into your item screen besides bottles...
You can get into the water temple and use the bomb bag on c-right glitch to get 20 water temple small keys(essentially skip the dungeon), but you would still have to fight dark link and I believe that stealing epona would be much faster

ZFG

2008-03-30 05:12:54 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Ok, I looked it over and it does look like ZAR's route is faster by just a little. I didn't time it, I'm just saying it looks faster. We still need someone to time it.

Mp16, so far the only thing we can do with RBA is equipment, quest status and item amounts, can't get items with it...yet.

chaosv1

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chaosv1: 2008-03-30 06:19:50 pm

2008-03-30 05:53:33 pm

I just finished testing my route change(see ZAR's post for the full route) and it works. Im not sure whether ZFG's milk method is faster or my DC bombs method, but in my opinion the DC adds the extra wow factor that the DoT skip allows. Plus i love the black guantlets Grin

Which ever route a speedrunner takes however is gonna be awsome though so once again kudos to Samo, Kazooie, and AKA

ZFG

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ZFG: 2008-03-30 06:40:32 pm

2008-03-30 06:37:37 pm

MrGrunz is a guay

Actually, with that savewarp after hookshot, theres a much better chance of being able to do BA with the egg. Not sure if that will save any time.

Also its faster to buy arrows from the bazaar. Cheaper too.

chaosv1

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chaosv1: 2008-03-30 07:13:02 pm

2008-03-30 06:58:07 pm

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Actually, with that savewarp after hookshot, theres a much better chance of being able to do BA with the egg. Not sure if that will save any time.

Also its faster to buy arrows from the bazaar. Cheaper too.

When i tested the two theories, I found that there is really no difference between the two, except that if you use the egg, you can buy bombs later on. For a speedrun, however, 20 bombs is more than enough to finish.

EDIT: After you steal the rod the first time you should fall into the river near kakariko instead of the drained lake to get Deku sticks on B and save some time. Its to difficult to do this with the egg because it will hatch. As a result its definitely faster, and easier to use cojiro

Cosmo.

2008-03-31 12:45:05 am

This statue's one-eyed gaze pierces into your mind

IIRC you dont need to go in water, just dim the B button. so walking up the ladder right outside of lake hylia on the way to kakariko should work fine.

ZFG

2008-03-31 03:51:31 am

MrGrunz is a guay

I did a little timing and it looks like we should easily be able to get under an hour, maybe even under 55 Cheesy

(used ZAR's route).

ZAR

2008-03-31 04:01:05 am

Eeeeyah!

Wow that's awesome. Grin

The only way OoT can be improved by alot now is to find a way to skip Ganondorf. (Skips Magic, Medalions, Light Arrows, and Songs) Or if we can find a way to RBA Magic, and Light Arrows into the inventory. Skipping Ganondorf sounds the most likely to happen though.

chaosv1

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chaosv1: 2008-03-31 04:03:19 am

2008-03-31 04:01:18 am

Not to be a pest but shouldnt i get some credit here? I thought of how to skip the lon lon milk with black guantlets+DC bomb bag method...

ZAR combined my method with your route so we should all get some credit

ZAR

2008-03-31 04:31:14 am

Eeeeyah!

Something that should be added to the Route would be to put a Death Warp in DC after getting the bomb bag. It'd make it much quicker to get out of the dungeon since we can't save to the entrance.