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FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 01:03:43 pm
....use emulators period, or does that just mean you can still use an emulator as long as you don't use of its features to help you in your run?  Like, don't use save states, frame skip, etc. anything like that, and you'll still be able to use the emulator to play the game you want to run?
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UltimateDarius
2009-07-17 01:11:03 pm
Back in the game!
Quote from FionordeQuester:
....use emulators period, or does that just mean you can still use an emulator as long as you don't use of its features to help you in your run?  Like, don't use save states, frame skip, etc. anything like that, and you'll still be able to use the emulator to play the game you want to run?


Like the difference between rape and not rape, no means no.
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 01:14:10 pm
I see.  So even if you played completly legitametly, no emulators allowed?  Even if you don't cheat in anyway?  Why?
Scepheo
2009-07-17 01:23:55 pm
Because it's impossible to see whether you've cheated, and there are timing differences.
UltimateDarius
2009-07-17 01:24:33 pm
Back in the game!
Quote from FionordeQuester:
I see.  So even if you played completly legitametly, no emulators allowed?  Even if you don't cheat in anyway?  Why?


Because there is no proof that you didn't.
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 01:29:01 pm
There isn't?  What proof is there that your playing the original copy and not an emulator?  I mean, I looked at one of the speed runs, and from what I saw, the graphics and video was clear enough that that easily could've been an emulator.
Puntja
2009-07-17 01:37:05 pm
emulators run slighty faster/slower then the original console, so there are timing diferences compared to the regular console
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 01:45:12 pm
You guys must have a sharp eye if you could tell the difference...

Sigh...well what if someone uploaded the entire speed run all in one segment?  Surely there's no way he could cheat when he's never even allowed an opportunity to cheat?
Puntja
2009-07-17 01:50:53 pm
why dont you just run a game on an emulator? i'm sure it's gonna be rejected Wink
Scepheo
2009-07-17 01:51:45 pm
You're not allowed to use an emulator. Period. Now stop trying to get a run made using one on SDA.

Three reasons it's not allowed:
1. Timing differences. It's unfair.
2. You can't see whether cheats (and we're talking about GameGenie and sorts) are used.
3. It could be a recording of an input file playing. The input file could be made in millions of ways, but the video would still appear legit. Go to TASvideos for this.
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 01:52:47 pm
I was not trying to get a run made, I was just asking a question.
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 01:55:54 pm
I was trying to help out a pal who wanted to do a run of a game but couldn't because he could only play it on an emulator.
ZenicReverie
2009-07-17 01:57:44 pm
Waiting hurts my soul...
If you want to do a run for sda, no emulators allowed.  Feel free to practice on them, but many times you'll have to adjust your play on a console because of the differences in timing.  I don't think slowdown is marked in most replays, so no still no emulators.

If your 'friend' wants to do an emulator run, there's tasvideos or youtube.
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 02:05:13 pm
No he wasn't trying to do a TAS run, he was trying to do a legitamate run using a GBA Player that allowed GBA games to be played on the T.V. (don't ask me why he needed it, I don't know).  But it broke, no stores are selling it anymore, and his parents aren't allowing him to import it.

I wanted to see if there was anyway I could help, so I tried to see if there was anyway he could still do one on here even with an emulator.  But there isn't it seems, so that's about it for this thread.
Puntja
2009-07-17 02:10:45 pm
what about getting a gb player on ebay? or why don't you import one for him if his parents doesnt allow it
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 02:11:50 pm
His parents won't let him.
I.S.T.
2009-07-17 02:15:56 pm
Not all emulators have input file capabilities, FYI. Just ban the ones that have them.

Also, the issue with cheats could be solved via using a screen recording program. Why has no one thought of that before?

The other issues, however... No real answer to them, yet.

the issue of accuracy in reproduction of sound and whatnot is fucking moot, given official emulators are often allowed(Play Ristar on the original console and compare it to the version on SDA. You'll notice differences in sound).
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 02:24:45 pm
Oh, and I actually am considering getting a GBA Player for him, but that would involve getting his adress wouldn't it?  I'll try, but I'm not sure if he'll trust me enough to give it. Don't be fooled by 'friend', I actually only met him a few days ago, and only on this forum.
moooh
2009-07-17 02:40:45 pm
Exoray
Couldn't that friend of yours posted himself in that case?

The rules for emulators are clearly stated in the rules as a fundamental rule.
FionordeQuester
2009-07-17 02:46:33 pm
You misunderstand.  He never asked me to ask these questions.  Heck, he probably already knows the rules, I just asked these questions on the off chance that he misinterpreted what the rule meant or something (I'm new to this forum).  I only wanted to ask because I felt like it.
Vugmer
2009-07-17 05:33:59 pm
Cigar Man
Quote from FionordeQuester:
There isn't?  What proof is there that your playing the original copy and not an emulator?  I mean, I looked at one of the speed runs, and from what I saw, the graphics and video was clear enough that that easily could've been an emulator.


I think nate has secret ways of detecting whether or not a run was done on an emulator.
CMiller
2009-07-17 06:20:45 pm
Quote from I.S.T.:
Not all emulators have input file capabilities, FYI. Just ban the ones that have them.

Also, the issue with cheats could be solved via using a screen recording program. Why has no one thought of that before?


Well, emulators also don't run the game at the right speed. None do. There is a thread on TAS videos about this. The emulators run at 60fps. An NES for example, does not. This means that the timing is different by a little bit.
DJGrenola
2009-07-17 06:24:10 pm
guffaw
You also all missed the important point that nine times out of ten, emulators = piracy.
I.S.T.
2009-07-17 08:13:20 pm
Quote from CMiller:
Quote from I.S.T.:
Not all emulators have input file capabilities, FYI. Just ban the ones that have them.

Also, the issue with cheats could be solved via using a screen recording program. Why has no one thought of that before?


Well, emulators also don't run the game at the right speed. None do. There is a thread on TAS videos about this. The emulators run at 60fps. An NES for example, does not. This means that the timing is different by a little bit.


Hence why I said the other issues have not been solved.

Though I think bsnes doesn't have this problem with everything but Super FX games(Those were recently measured and they do run slightly faster/slower than the actual cart.), but it's one of the few emulators of it's kind. I.E. Mega accurate to the point of OCDness. Still, the emulator has save states so it's out the window anyway.

DJ, I was putting piracy and all the other commonly raised issues under "the other issues". One I've not seen brought up before(Though perhaps I missed it.) is making certain the game isn't hacked without going all TAS videos and requiring an input file. =\
Kibbo
2009-07-17 08:15:15 pm
TIOLET!
Quote from DJGrenola:
You also all missed the important point that nine times out of ten, emulators = piracy.


However, this also brings up the interesting question of how many of the other runs are actually done on legally acquired copies? It's not exactly hard to pirate games for both PC and game consoles these days.