Have played a couple of hours so far today. I'm mainly running Extreme, since I know I can improve that around 20-40s (depending on Dracula patterns). No real great runs, so far today, but i'll play more. Feel quite confident that I can make an almost perfect Amazon run about 8 out of 10 times now. I am so tired of running Easy. If I were to know what classifies a 100% run, I'd go for it instantly instead.
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I swear that this game does not want me to be successful. Had several successful runs the past couple of days that likely would've put me in the number one spot if I had only gotten a one bat pattern. One really good run I had was ruined by plummeting to my death in a pit in mount Vesuvius and several other runs were good, but not good enough sans a one bat pattern. I feel that I am often so close, yet somehow someway there is some mistake or whatever that I never make that pops up out of the blue.
@rTiimber: you are one lucky son of a gun to end up with a one bat pattern when getting a bat on the first spell. I had a several sequences that I got the the first bat on the third and fourth spells, yet still ended up with a two bat pattern. Curiously, the three bat patterns aren't happening for me either. Unfortunately another day of "what if I had gotten a one bat pattern". In your opinion, how realistic do you think it is to beat your current time with a two bat pattern?
@rTiimber: you are one lucky son of a gun to end up with a one bat pattern when getting a bat on the first spell. I had a several sequences that I got the the first bat on the third and fourth spells, yet still ended up with a two bat pattern. Curiously, the three bat patterns aren't happening for me either. Unfortunately another day of "what if I had gotten a one bat pattern". In your opinion, how realistic do you think it is to beat your current time with a two bat pattern?
Well, The run I mentioned above, were 10 seconds ahead at the start of Vesuvius (lost some at Dracula in addition to the extra bat pattern), but didn't contain any major mistakes. If I would have gotten 0 extra Beagle Boys, it would be still not be able to beat my time.
I would say that the only way to beat my run with 2 bat patterns would be to be a TAS, or to have a nearly perfect Mine Glitch, in addition to a perfect Beagle Boys ratio.
Just for fun, the current record is probably only like my 4th or 5th best run from a pure playwise perspective. My absolutely best one was a run at 33:48 IGT (with cutscenes) that had three bat patterns. My second best was the 33:18 IGT (with cutscenes) that had one bat pattern. My third best was the run just mentioned above here.
I've been occupied the last days, but hope to be able to play some today and tomorrow. But then AGQD starts, and I will make sure to watch a huge amount of stream at that point.
Btw, have you stopped the "Extreme" hunt? I mean, that's the quickest category, and that's the one that will eventually earn the permanent #1 spot. I've had runs 10 seconds ahead of that current best time after one stage, and that time can definitely be taken down to sub 35:30 (or 32:00 IGT). I've compared my Extreme PB with Capndrakes run earlier in this thread, and my run is 2 seconds behind play-wise, and then loses the 18 seconds on two bat patterns.
Edit: I change my mind, and actually think you can beat my PB with 2 bat patterns. I actually were around 10 seconds ahead after three levels (Himalayas, African Mines and Vesuvius), when I got a crash after beating Magica.
And I still had Amazon left, where I lost around 7s. That was the second straight crash after beating Magica for me and I'm getting really frustrated. I hope that doesn't happen to Satoryu at AGDQ.
I would say that the only way to beat my run with 2 bat patterns would be to be a TAS, or to have a nearly perfect Mine Glitch, in addition to a perfect Beagle Boys ratio.
Just for fun, the current record is probably only like my 4th or 5th best run from a pure playwise perspective. My absolutely best one was a run at 33:48 IGT (with cutscenes) that had three bat patterns. My second best was the 33:18 IGT (with cutscenes) that had one bat pattern. My third best was the run just mentioned above here.
I've been occupied the last days, but hope to be able to play some today and tomorrow. But then AGQD starts, and I will make sure to watch a huge amount of stream at that point.
Btw, have you stopped the "Extreme" hunt? I mean, that's the quickest category, and that's the one that will eventually earn the permanent #1 spot. I've had runs 10 seconds ahead of that current best time after one stage, and that time can definitely be taken down to sub 35:30 (or 32:00 IGT). I've compared my Extreme PB with Capndrakes run earlier in this thread, and my run is 2 seconds behind play-wise, and then loses the 18 seconds on two bat patterns.
Edit: I change my mind, and actually think you can beat my PB with 2 bat patterns. I actually were around 10 seconds ahead after three levels (Himalayas, African Mines and Vesuvius), when I got a crash after beating Magica.
I finally got version 1.1.1 a couple of days ago and am wondering what the difference is from the 1.1.0. Anybody know?
@rTiimber: I watched portions of your extreme run and find a lot of potential. Your mine glitch was horrendous in that run( around 20 seconds worse than my average) and you got an excellent time without a one bat pattern. Regarding extreme, I do see your point that getting a good run on that difficulty will be best in the long run. Although I would have to practice running through the levels a bit more. Curiously the game has never frozen on me after beating Magica since getting version 1.1.1. The crazy thing is that I have gotten several freezes after beating the yeti in the Himalayas. I heard of that being a place where it could freeze, but it rarely happened to me until recently. One last question I've always wondered: why are you always so pogo happy in your runs? I'm pretty sure it doesn't make any difference whether you run and jump vs. pogo.
@Satoryu: I did not check how good your time is yet, but congratulations. What place are you in?
@rTiimber: I watched portions of your extreme run and find a lot of potential. Your mine glitch was horrendous in that run( around 20 seconds worse than my average) and you got an excellent time without a one bat pattern. Regarding extreme, I do see your point that getting a good run on that difficulty will be best in the long run. Although I would have to practice running through the levels a bit more. Curiously the game has never frozen on me after beating Magica since getting version 1.1.1. The crazy thing is that I have gotten several freezes after beating the yeti in the Himalayas. I heard of that being a place where it could freeze, but it rarely happened to me until recently. One last question I've always wondered: why are you always so pogo happy in your runs? I'm pretty sure it doesn't make any difference whether you run and jump vs. pogo.
@Satoryu: I did not check how good your time is yet, but congratulations. What place are you in?
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One last question I've always wondered: why are you always so pogo happy in your runs?
Haha, that has nothing to do with anything in the game itself, but more to practice pogoing in general. There are some spots where short pogoing can earn a few seconds, and I want to keep it in me throughout the run.
Also, Satoryus run clocked in at 37:03 (RTA), which with those safe strats is a really good time. A guess is that it would mean around 33:33, but haven't played since he got the time, so don't know if it registered (don't know if it was connected to the Internet, or if he used his own Wii U).
Yeah, you should've been there Radman! 
Two things: Congratulations Guru, only one second to go once again. I'm currently focusing on Extreme at the moment, so I'm not competing for that time for now.
Speaking of Extreme, I just got a new PB. I chose to accept your suggestions of playing it "safe", so I start with Himalayas and get the extra heart. The run is much easier with this. I shaved off almost 20s RTA, so my new PB is now 35:45 and IGT ended up at 32:13, which is now the new #1 spot on the leaderboards for Wii U.
I still got two bat patterns, but still improved Dracula greatly (did I get three patterns last time?). Mine Glitch was quite solid, but Beagle Boys on the plane lost me time. I can probably improve 10-15 seconds playwise, and 18 more on Dracula if I get the best pattern. After that, I'll have to skip safe strats to earn another 8-10s.
Are you guys interested in seeing the run? I will post it on request only this time, to not bloat the length of this thread.
Two things: Congratulations Guru, only one second to go once again. I'm currently focusing on Extreme at the moment, so I'm not competing for that time for now.
Speaking of Extreme, I just got a new PB. I chose to accept your suggestions of playing it "safe", so I start with Himalayas and get the extra heart. The run is much easier with this. I shaved off almost 20s RTA, so my new PB is now 35:45 and IGT ended up at 32:13, which is now the new #1 spot on the leaderboards for Wii U.
I still got two bat patterns, but still improved Dracula greatly (did I get three patterns last time?). Mine Glitch was quite solid, but Beagle Boys on the plane lost me time. I can probably improve 10-15 seconds playwise, and 18 more on Dracula if I get the best pattern. After that, I'll have to skip safe strats to earn another 8-10s.
Are you guys interested in seeing the run? I will post it on request only this time, to not bloat the length of this thread.
First off, congrats Tiimber on your new personal best. That's amazing to fathom you got that record with getting an extra heart, bad plane luck, and two bat patterns. The thing that ticks me off is my PB in-game time of 32:26( one second off your easy record) was with a two bat pattern and wouldn't of even been beat by your new PB if I had gotten a one bat pattern. Add a one bat pattern to my time and do the math. On another note, does the in-game timer still run when the save screens are shown on easy? Would that mean time is saved on extreme for not having those save screens? One of the biggest problems I face on extreme is the amazon boss because it is unpredictable whether it will jump up or not thus risking losing time or death. The last question that begs to be asked is where is the rest of the competition from other speed runners? I can't remember the last time the first three spots were occupied by anyone other than Tiimber and I? Are the rest of you not good enough or do Tiimber and I just have too much time on our hands?
Blue Link: The most important death abuse is in transylvania and it works only on extreme. That alone saves way more time than all the magic coins combined.
DuckTalesGuru29: I stopped running this game because in the end the only think affecting your time is rng and boulder skip. Also im playing on pc and the timing is horrible (at least it used to be) on this, because the game runs on different speeds on different computers. The in game time didnt seem to work properly either when i ran this game.
DuckTalesGuru29: I stopped running this game because in the end the only think affecting your time is rng and boulder skip. Also im playing on pc and the timing is horrible (at least it used to be) on this, because the game runs on different speeds on different computers. The in game time didnt seem to work properly either when i ran this game.
@Guru: Thats unfortunate for you. I've had 10-15s ahead of my Easy PB as well, and then failed due to crashes or bad Dracula luck. Feels s**t when it happens, and I find Easy more prone to crash for me. That is one of the main reasons I'm tired of Easy.
Comparing my previous 32:33 on Extreme and my previous 32:32 on Easy, I think that the RTA differed by 30 seconds (less on Extreme), which would indicate that Easy have more loading times, that do NOT count towards the In-Game timer. So my guess is no to that question.
I will play more on Extreme this afternoon, and expect to lower both IGT and RTA in the upcoming days. RTA by maybe 10-15s, and IGT to go below 32:00. If I get luck on Dracula, even more.
Comparing my previous 32:33 on Extreme and my previous 32:32 on Easy, I think that the RTA differed by 30 seconds (less on Extreme), which would indicate that Easy have more loading times, that do NOT count towards the In-Game timer. So my guess is no to that question.
I will play more on Extreme this afternoon, and expect to lower both IGT and RTA in the upcoming days. RTA by maybe 10-15s, and IGT to go below 32:00. If I get luck on Dracula, even more.
@Tiimber: Very interesting regarding the extra save screens. If this is the case, I have no idea when looking on my watch chronograph what my progress is and how much I have improved by compared to easy during the extreme runs. From personal experience, I have found that the Amazon is where the most time can be lost on extreme and I must patch that up a bit. On another note, should we as speed runners count easy and extreme as two separate categories? Like crowing the best easy time and the best extreme time separately? If this is the case, I will work on both. If not, I may just stick to extreme as it is evident the top spot cannot be gained on easy. Regarding extreme, it appears that crashes do happen less.
So I did a playthrough on Normal (not feeling confident enough to play this on extreme yet, and I wanted to get the route), and I got 43:49 Real Time and 0:39:31 in-game time. I did some really stupid mistakes and I can improve this a lot even on Normal.
Probably later next week I will be confident enough to try on Extreme.
Probably later next week I will be confident enough to try on Extreme.
So, I just picked up a Wii U, and since I've ran the hell out of this game on PC, I figured I'd run it on its "proper" system. Anybody ever race this game? I need to get used to the different controller, but I'd be down to race this game in the very near future.
Also, I had no idea the game crashed until I just read a few of you talking about it. I had it just crash on me when I was going for my first playthrough on my new system and I was thoroughly confused...
Also, I had no idea the game crashed until I just read a few of you talking about it. I had it just crash on me when I was going for my first playthrough on my new system and I was thoroughly confused...
@Blue Link: Good luck on your pursuit of speed running. Not many months ago was I a newcomer and had to practice hour after hour to get where I am on the leaderboards. I don't know if you know this, but there are two key things that can greatly enhance your time on a speedrun. Look up the mine skip tutorial and the moon skip tutorial on youtube. These glitches will greatly reduce the time of your speedruns. If you have any other questions, just ask.
Thanks! And yeah, I already mastered moon skip and I'm mastering the Mine Skip quite fast (I play Pyrrha on SCV, so I'm used of hitting back at the exact frame needed), what I need right now is to get more consistent on the stages itself, I hesitate too much and get hit by enemies too easily D:
Nothing that a lot of practice can't fix though.
Nothing that a lot of practice can't fix though.
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I have found that the Amazon is where the most time can be lost on extreme and I must patch that up a bit.
Amazon itself can be hard, I've had it as my first level for so long, so I'm quite consistent on all parts except the boss on it. One of his patterns I can always only make him attack only once.
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On another note, should we as speed runners count easy and extreme as two separate categories?
I would say it's a bit unclear. In my eyes, Easy should be its own category. However the guidelines of SDA has three main categories:
Low% - get least amount of upgrades, which in this case should be same as any%
Any% - which is whatever it takes to get lowest time - Definitely Extreme
100% - This could in my eyes either mean get most upgrades in regards to hearts or treasures. Since Easy has more hearts, it would "win" this one - but if treasure/money is more worth, I guess it's Extreme here as well.
The last uncertainty is if glitchless fits anywhere, and if so - maybe also deathless? Deathless would most likely mean Easy is the best option.
I personally think they should be separate categories, but I don't think SDA approve of that. So my answer is: Do what you feel comfortable (and least bored) with. If you like to play only Easy - do it. If you like Extreme - play the shit out of it. If you like both of them - go slaughter some times on both.
Btw: Welcome to the competition Blue Link!
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I have found that the Amazon is where the most time can be lost on extreme and I must patch that up a bit.
Amazon itself can be hard, I've had it as my first level for so long, so I'm quite consistent on all parts except the boss on it. One of his patterns I can always only make him attack only once.
Quote from DuckTalesGuru29:
On another note, should we as speed runners count easy and extreme as two separate categories?
I would say it's a bit unclear. In my eyes, Easy should be its own category. However the guidelines of SDA has three main categories:
Low% - get least amount of upgrades, which in this case should be same as any%
Any% - which is whatever it takes to get lowest time - Definitely Extreme
100% - This could in my eyes either mean get most upgrades in regards to hearts or treasures. Since Easy has more hearts, it would "win" this one - but if treasure/money is more worth, I guess it's Extreme here as well.
The last uncertainty is if glitchless fits anywhere, and if so - maybe also deathless? Deathless would most likely mean Easy is the best option.
I personally think they should be separate categories, but I don't think SDA approve of that. So my answer is: Do what you feel comfortable (and least bored) with. If you like to play only Easy - do it. If you like Extreme - play the shit out of it. If you like both of them - go slaughter some times on both.
Btw: Welcome to the competition Blue Link!
Low% isn't the same as Any%
Low% should be no money (maybe there's a few you can't dodge)/no hearts/no invicible coins/no health upgrade/no 1up