It's actually possible to join two Great Houses, through this glitch. Since it's obviously a glitch, nobody would hold it against you if you just did one Great House.
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Hi,
are you really gonna do *that*?
So let me drop my two cents for generell behaviour here:
1. For Speed I'd consider taking Pemine's Boots - UESP will tell you where to buy the MR-Spell to wear them.
2. Jumping seems to be highly underestimated - with Pemine's Boots and ~16 Jump I usually pass Balmora in just 2-3 jumps.
3. Make 'Enchanting' a major-skill - since you'll not make too many levels, you'll probably never get a Soul for constant effects, so you'll have to reload the items you use, which will be getting cheaper by the time..
4. Become a thief asap and mark at one of the bounty-removers - makes killing for items/quests way more easy.
How I would start this: (sorry, I'm german, dunno most english names)
Babarian with light armor skill
From Seyda Neen go west until you find the ship-wreck, there's a tree, collect all plants you see, which completes Ajira's 1st mage-guild-quest. Find "Vassir-Didanat-Mine", get in and out - as soon as you get to Vivec, go to Hlaalu-Plaza, find Dram Bero in the haunted house and tell him - you'll get a daedric weapon of your choice.
But before go to Balmora mage guild, Ajira, 1st quest done, second quest is to cheat on Galbedir - take all her soulgems before putting the faked one where you're told to. You're rich now, and there are at least two gems to make nice items of ("'open' at 80-100 on touch for 2 seconds" for the next hint, jump).
Go to Ald'ruhn/warriors-guild, percy's room is locked at 80, there's one unlocked chest with a full orcish armor, and another one locked at 80 with an almost full glass-armor - just watch for the smith and it's yours (maybe locks are opposite..).
Since you've cheated on Galbi, you can forget her for enchanting until you got Azura's star - in a normal game there's no better Enchanter than Miun-Gui in Vivec cause there is unlimited supply of money (some call them 'ordinators..).. downside is of course that you'll have to finish his quest peacefully.. but on such a project..
As a weapon I'd suggest a spear - it's very long, and if you rely on light armor, your only way to raise constitution.
And:
I'd reconsider the whole task - why Morag Tong, all Daedric Quests etc.
100% Main-Quest without glitching should be enough and could possibly done inside the 7h-limit..
Good Luck however..
are you really gonna do *that*?
So let me drop my two cents for generell behaviour here:
1. For Speed I'd consider taking Pemine's Boots - UESP will tell you where to buy the MR-Spell to wear them.
2. Jumping seems to be highly underestimated - with Pemine's Boots and ~16 Jump I usually pass Balmora in just 2-3 jumps.
3. Make 'Enchanting' a major-skill - since you'll not make too many levels, you'll probably never get a Soul for constant effects, so you'll have to reload the items you use, which will be getting cheaper by the time..
4. Become a thief asap and mark at one of the bounty-removers - makes killing for items/quests way more easy.
How I would start this: (sorry, I'm german, dunno most english names)
Babarian with light armor skill
From Seyda Neen go west until you find the ship-wreck, there's a tree, collect all plants you see, which completes Ajira's 1st mage-guild-quest. Find "Vassir-Didanat-Mine", get in and out - as soon as you get to Vivec, go to Hlaalu-Plaza, find Dram Bero in the haunted house and tell him - you'll get a daedric weapon of your choice.
But before go to Balmora mage guild, Ajira, 1st quest done, second quest is to cheat on Galbedir - take all her soulgems before putting the faked one where you're told to. You're rich now, and there are at least two gems to make nice items of ("'open' at 80-100 on touch for 2 seconds" for the next hint, jump).
Go to Ald'ruhn/warriors-guild, percy's room is locked at 80, there's one unlocked chest with a full orcish armor, and another one locked at 80 with an almost full glass-armor - just watch for the smith and it's yours (maybe locks are opposite..).
Since you've cheated on Galbi, you can forget her for enchanting until you got Azura's star - in a normal game there's no better Enchanter than Miun-Gui in Vivec cause there is unlimited supply of money (some call them 'ordinators..).. downside is of course that you'll have to finish his quest peacefully.. but on such a project..
As a weapon I'd suggest a spear - it's very long, and if you rely on light armor, your only way to raise constitution.
And:
I'd reconsider the whole task - why Morag Tong, all Daedric Quests etc.
100% Main-Quest without glitching should be enough and could possibly done inside the 7h-limit..
Good Luck however..
Like A Fox
It's been a long time since I played this game. Long enough that I have forgotten many things. I intend to familiarize myself with this game by playing through/around/with etc it again. While/after that I intend to work on a route for a max quests run in which you get the most amount of quests possible in one save file. That means joining Houses Hlaalu and Redoran and having both Wraithguards, for example.
One pretty big question to you guys, which I will use an example to explain. The quest Redoran Hortator can be completed by being Archmaster of House Redoran and talking to only one person. As far as I know, this would only complete one quest checkbox (and someone else can correct me here). The other way is to not be Archmaster, and go talk to all the many councilors. If you look near the bottom of the linked page there is a table marked with a column "Finishes Quest". Does being Archmaster check all of those finishes quest boxes in your journal log, or does it check some alternate box? Would it be considered "max quest/100%" if the Archmaster route is used? In general the question is what do I use to distinguish what is a quest from what is a required quest from what is not a quest? Can we reasonably distinguish between max quests and max journal? Especially relevant to this (besides the above example) is the sleepers awake quest. Perhaps I should join the irc and ask there...
The max quest run, as a project, is something I think should be taken on by several people rather than just one. Especially since even if I do follow through and make a plan/route for the run, I will not be doing the run myself since I don't have a legal copy of the game and don't have any plans to acquire one.
The first and most important objective of such a run is to get very high speed as soon as possible. After that, you basically spend the rest of the run as a courier, because that's what the quests are. In order to plan the order of quests, a list of Quests in proper order and their waypoints will be needed. Here is an example. Hopefully format is ok, but I won't be fixing it if not. I'll try to attach the .txt and .xls.
Once that is done for all quests the next (or concurrent) step is to plot them on a map of morrowind so we can know which quests are close to each other. Additionally, it will need to be known which of the grab/slay quests can be completed out of order without messing up whatever our goal for "quest completion" ends up being. I was able to find a high resolution map of morrowind online called Morrowind Travel Routes.jpg, but now can't find it again. 6000x6000 pixels+. To reduce clutter on the map, we need a name system for quests that won't take up much space, so I figured to use column one of the table (1a, 10.2b etc) and either include a questline tag, like MQ for main quest, or indicate quest line by color (say for example, 1a in red). Additionally on the map there should be an indication if the quest can be done out of order. For instance, 6d is a grab quest which can (probably) be done out of order, so rather than coloring it red like the rest of the MQ line, we can color it grey to indicate order is unimportant. If further demarcation is necessary we can talk about it more.
A highly detailed and organized map will be very important because ideally we should be doing as many quests as concurrently possible (several quest lines simultaneously) without going out of the way/whatever. Hopefully you get what I mean.
One pretty big question to you guys, which I will use an example to explain. The quest Redoran Hortator can be completed by being Archmaster of House Redoran and talking to only one person. As far as I know, this would only complete one quest checkbox (and someone else can correct me here). The other way is to not be Archmaster, and go talk to all the many councilors. If you look near the bottom of the linked page there is a table marked with a column "Finishes Quest". Does being Archmaster check all of those finishes quest boxes in your journal log, or does it check some alternate box? Would it be considered "max quest/100%" if the Archmaster route is used? In general the question is what do I use to distinguish what is a quest from what is a required quest from what is not a quest? Can we reasonably distinguish between max quests and max journal? Especially relevant to this (besides the above example) is the sleepers awake quest. Perhaps I should join the irc and ask there...
The max quest run, as a project, is something I think should be taken on by several people rather than just one. Especially since even if I do follow through and make a plan/route for the run, I will not be doing the run myself since I don't have a legal copy of the game and don't have any plans to acquire one.
The first and most important objective of such a run is to get very high speed as soon as possible. After that, you basically spend the rest of the run as a courier, because that's what the quests are. In order to plan the order of quests, a list of Quests in proper order and their waypoints will be needed. Here is an example. Hopefully format is ok, but I won't be fixing it if not. I'll try to attach the .txt and .xls.
Code:
All Quest Objects In Order By Quest Line Main Quest Object Wat do? Where? 1a Sellus Gravius Talk Seyda Neen\Census and Excise Office 2a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 2b *Hasphat Antabolis Talk Balmora\Fighters Guild 2c Dwemer Puzzle Box Grab Arkngthand 2d Hasphat Antabolis Talk Balmora\Fighters Guild 3a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 3b *Sharn gra-Muzgob Talk Balmora\Mages Guild 3c Skull of Llevule AndranoGrab Andrano Ancestral Tomb 3d Sharn gra-Muzgob Talk Balmora\Mages Guild 4a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 4b Huleeya Guide Vivec\Foreign Quarter\Black Shalk->Jobasha's 4c Addhiranirr Talk Vivec\St Olms\Underworks 4d Duvianus Platorius Talk Vivec\St Olms\Waistworks 4e Addhiranirr Talk Vivec\St Olms\Underworks 4f Mehra Milo Talk Vivec\Temple\Library 4g Progress of Truth Grab Vivec\Temple\Library 5a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 5b Hassour Zainsubani Talk Ald'ruhn\Ald Skar Inn 5c Codus Callonus Talk Ald'ruhn\Codus Calus: Bookseller 5d Hassour Zainsubani Talk Ald'ruhn\Ald Skar Inn 6a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 6b *Zabamund Talk Urshilaku Camp\Zabamund's Yurt 6c *Sul-Matuul Talk Urshilaku Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 6d Bonebiter Bow Grab Urshilaku Burial Cavern 6e *Sul-Matuul Talk Urshilaku Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 6f Nibani Maesa Talk Urshilaku Camp\Wise Woman's Yurt 7a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 7b *Raesa Pullia Talk Buckmoth Legion Fort 7c Dagoth Gares Slay Ilunibi 8a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 8b *Divayth Fyr Talk Tel Fyr 8c Dwemer Boots of Flying Grab Tel Fyr\Corprusarium 8d Divayth Fyr Talk Tel Fyr 9a Caius Cosades Talk Balmora\Caius House 9b *Mehra Milo Talk Vivec\Library and her quarters 9c Alvela Talk Ministry of Truth 9d Mehra Milo NEED INTERVENTION SCROLL Talk Ministry of Truth Jail Cell 9e *Blatta Hateria Talk Ebonheart Docks 9f Gilvas Barelo Talk Holamayan 9g Nibani Maesa Talk Urshilaku Camp\Wise Woman's Yurt 9h Sul-Matuul Talk Urshilaku Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 9i *House Dagoth Cup, Corprus Weepings, Shadow Shield Grab Kogoruhn 9j Azura Talk Cavern of the Incarnate 10.1a Crassius Curio Talk Vivec\Hlaalu\Plaza\Curio Manor 10.1b Yngling Half-Troll Talk Vivec\St Olms\Plaza\Yngling manor 10.1c Dram Bero Talk Vivec\St Olms\XXX\Haunted Manor 10.1d Orvas Dren Slay Dren Plantation 10.1e Velanda Omani Talk Omani Manor 10.1f Nevena Ules Talk Ules Manor 10.1g Crassius Curio Talk Vivec\Hlaalu\Plaza\Curio Manor 10.2a Athyn Sarethi Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Sarethi Manor 10.2b Sarethi's Son Rescue Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Venim Manor 10.2c Miner Arobar Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Arobar Manor 10.2d Garisa Llethri Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Llethri Manor 10.2e Hlaren Ramoran Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Ramoran Manor 10.2f Brara Morvayn Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Morvayn Manor 10.2g Bolvyn Venim Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Venim Manor 10.2h Bolvyn Venim Slay Vivec\Arena 10.2i Athyn Sarethi Talk Ald'ruhn\Manor District\Sarethi Manor 10.3a Master Aryon Talk Tel Vos\Upper Chamber 10.3b Mistress Dratha Talk Tel Mora\Upper Tower 10.3c Mistress Therana Talk Tel Branora\Upper Tower 10.3d Master Neloth Talk Sadrith Mora 10.3e Gothren Slay Tel Aruhn\Upper Tower 10.3f Master Aryon Talk Tel Vos\Upper Chamber 10.3g Sul-Matuul Talk Urshilaku Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 10.4a Sinnammu Mirpal Talk Ahemmusa Camp 10.4b Ald Daedroth Shrine Slay Ald Daedroth Shrine 10.4c Sinnammu Mirpal Guide Ahemmusa Camp 10.4d Ald Daedroth Shrine Guide Ald Daedroth Shrine 10.5a Manirai Talk Erabenimsun Camp\Wise Woman's Yurt 10.5b Ulath-Pal, Ahaz, Ranabi, Ashu-ahhe Slay Erabenimsun Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt, Ranabi's Hut, Ashu-Ahhe's Yurt 10.5c Manirai Talk Erabenimsun Camp\Wise Woman's Yurt 10.5d Han-Ammu Talk, Gieb Erabenimsun Camp\Han-Ammu's Yurt 10.6a Sonummu Zabamat Talk Zainab Camp\Wise Womans Yurt 10.6b Kaushad Talk Zainab Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 10.6c Calvario Slay Nerano Ancestral Tomb 10.6d Kaushad Talk Zainab Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 10.6e Sonummu Zabamat Talk Zainab Camp\Wise Womans Yurt 10.6f Savile Imayn Buy Tel Aruhn\Slave Market 10.6g Exquisite Shirt, skirt, shoes, Telvanni Bug Musk Grab Anywhere 10.6h Slave Girl Guide Zainab Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 10.6i Kaushad Talk Zainab Camp\Ashkhan's Yurt 11a Danso Indules Talk Vivec\Temple 11b Tholer Saryoni Talk Vivec Temple\High Fane 11c Vivec Talk Palace of Vivec 12a Dagoth Odros Slay Citadel of Odrosal 12b Dagoth Vemyn Slay Citadel of Vemynal 12c Heart of Lorkhan Slay Facility Cavern 12d Dagoth Ur Slay Facility Cavern 12e Azura Talk Facility Cavern 13a Vivec Slay Palace of Vivec 13b Unique Dwemer Artifact Grab Palace of Vivec 13c *Yagrum Bagarn Talk Tel Fyr\Corprusarium 13d Kagrenacs Journal Grab Endusal 13e Planbook Grab Tureynulal 13f Yagrum Bagarn Talk Tel Fyr\Corprusarium 14[sleepers awake, needs clarification]
Once that is done for all quests the next (or concurrent) step is to plot them on a map of morrowind so we can know which quests are close to each other. Additionally, it will need to be known which of the grab/slay quests can be completed out of order without messing up whatever our goal for "quest completion" ends up being. I was able to find a high resolution map of morrowind online called Morrowind Travel Routes.jpg, but now can't find it again. 6000x6000 pixels+. To reduce clutter on the map, we need a name system for quests that won't take up much space, so I figured to use column one of the table (1a, 10.2b etc) and either include a questline tag, like MQ for main quest, or indicate quest line by color (say for example, 1a in red). Additionally on the map there should be an indication if the quest can be done out of order. For instance, 6d is a grab quest which can (probably) be done out of order, so rather than coloring it red like the rest of the MQ line, we can color it grey to indicate order is unimportant. If further demarcation is necessary we can talk about it more.
A highly detailed and organized map will be very important because ideally we should be doing as many quests as concurrently possible (several quest lines simultaneously) without going out of the way/whatever. Hopefully you get what I mean.
Like A Fox
Additionally to having max quests, 100% would include achieving highest possible rank in each guild/etc.
This may be useful for getting guild guides or other travelling method people to follow you around so you can travel from anywhere, or put then in a better location. This will have to be tested for whether it works and if it's useful.
Another interesting bit of info that could be potentially useful.
If we complete "Threads of the Webspinner" the reward is Mephala's skill. This gives us a spell in the Fortify Skill class (fortify shorblade 10 points) which should then let us buy spells and enchantments that fortify other skills. Needs testing.
Things need determining:
- Can Fortify Skill or Fortify Attribute shrine stack with itself by getting blessing multiple times
- Does Fortify Skill "cast when used" item effect stack with itself if you use all charges in a row?
- Do fortified skills and attributes count towards requirements for rank advancements in guilds etc.
Next step for this chart is to find all Fortify Skill items and list how much they can fortify at a time, for how long, and how many casts, or whether it is constant effect. It may be possible to get enough items to boost skills that we don't need to advance them manually or with a trainer, and it would be good if we didn't have to complete mephala's quest. With that said, it could use some clarification whether mephala's quest would be required. The UESPwiki does not indicate any journal entries for this quest.
It will be necessary when planning to determine if we have high enough skills to get assigned a quest, and include our skills and attributes as well as our ability to boost them as part of the map route.
Quote from UESPwiki:
Command spells can become permanent on your target. If you want to attempt this, try creating several different Command spells with different magnitudes. If you're powerful enough, make one for 100 to 100, 2 or 3 seconds. Hit your intended target with these spell variations. When the target is effectively Commanded, enter or exit a seperate cell, making sure the target is with you. Repeat the entering/exiting several times, then stop and wait with your target, until you think the spell should have worn off. If you move and the target follows, it's permanent. This method can painlessly relocate your targets from far away locations, and they can use transportation with you. You should keep in mind that Commanding quest related targets is not recommended, should they perish and you neglect reloading a previous save.
This may be useful for getting guild guides or other travelling method people to follow you around so you can travel from anywhere, or put then in a better location. This will have to be tested for whether it works and if it's useful.
Quote from UESPwiki:
There are also some problems with multiple enchantments. For example, if you make an amulet that casts a 100 Open spell at a distance and Telekinesis, you may end up with a permanent unlimited range telekinesis ability. This may have been fixed with later patches, however.
Another interesting bit of info that could be potentially useful.
If we complete "Threads of the Webspinner" the reward is Mephala's skill. This gives us a spell in the Fortify Skill class (fortify shorblade 10 points) which should then let us buy spells and enchantments that fortify other skills. Needs testing.
Things need determining:
- Can Fortify Skill or Fortify Attribute shrine stack with itself by getting blessing multiple times
- Does Fortify Skill "cast when used" item effect stack with itself if you use all charges in a row?
- Do fortified skills and attributes count towards requirements for rank advancements in guilds etc.
Code:
Notes: House Hlaalu is not included because rank of ArchMaster can be gotten for free at the end of MQ. Blades is not included because rank progresses regardless of whether you meat the requirements. House Telvanni is not included because you will not join House Telvanni.
HR FG MG TG TT MT IC IL sum
Acrobatics 1 1 2
Alchemy 1 1 2
Alteration 1 1
Armorer 1 1 2
Athletics 1 1 2
Axe 1 1
Block 1 1 2
Blunt Weapon 1 1 1 1 4
Conjuration 1 1 2
Destruction 1 1
Enchant 1 1 2
Hand-to-hand 0
Heavy Armor 1 1 1 3
Illusion 1 1 2
Light Armor 1 1 2
Long Blade 1 1 1 3
Marksman 1 1 2
Medium Armor 1 1
Mercantile 0
Mysticism 1 1 1 3
Restoration 1 1 2
Security 1 1
Short Blade 1 1 2
Sneak 1 1 2
Spear 1 1 2
Speechcraft 1 1
Unarmored 1 1 2Next step for this chart is to find all Fortify Skill items and list how much they can fortify at a time, for how long, and how many casts, or whether it is constant effect. It may be possible to get enough items to boost skills that we don't need to advance them manually or with a trainer, and it would be good if we didn't have to complete mephala's quest. With that said, it could use some clarification whether mephala's quest would be required. The UESPwiki does not indicate any journal entries for this quest.
It will be necessary when planning to determine if we have high enough skills to get assigned a quest, and include our skills and attributes as well as our ability to boost them as part of the map route.
Attachment:
Like A Fox
It needs to be tested if it is possible to make a spell with Fortify Speed that can be casted on target. If this can be done, then it can be casted on NPC that need to be escorted to hurry them along. Alternately, if they travel with you on casting recall (which I don't think they do, but needs confirmation) then they can be commanded and then recalled to their destination.
It will be beneficial I think if our main killing attack is a spell, because when moving incredibly quickly (1000+ speed) it may be difficult to stop near enough to your opponent to attack them. With a castable spell at a distance, we can stop anywhere and aim.
A single segment of this run might simply prove to be impossible do to this bug in game code.
I have attached a very basic quest outline for House Hlaalu to be used for plotting map coordinates (waypoints). It also includes the already shown MQ waypoints.
This was linked to on the UESPwiki. (Link is a downloadable .exe file). It has a ~3000 pixel map and a dropdown menu to select locations on the map which it will then zoom to. You can add or remove locations by altering the mwmain.gdb file in Wordpad. The contents look like this:
I have determined a few (but not many) values:
I have determined that TES_Map_Hi.exe was written with Borland C++ 1999 by using a program called PEiD.exe. It would be helpful if someone could decompile this and alter the code so 1) the size of the window can be changed and 2) I can put in a different map file with different dimensions. I'll attach the ~6000px hi res map I found on the internet. It's a 5.85mb .jpg file.
It will be beneficial I think if our main killing attack is a spell, because when moving incredibly quickly (1000+ speed) it may be difficult to stop near enough to your opponent to attack them. With a castable spell at a distance, we can stop anywhere and aim.
A single segment of this run might simply prove to be impossible do to this bug in game code.
Quote from The Attached .xls about House Hlaalu Quests:
These quests will begin after killing Orvas Dren or blackmailing him. This is part of MQ. Probably blackmail will be required to be able to complete the Dukes last quest, but needs confirmation.
<new thought>We will need to already be in House Redoran. This will need to be done after becoming Hlaalu Hortator. Then the highest rank can be achieved by repeatedly talking to Vedam Dren so House rank will not be an issue when trying to get new quests. Stronghold will be put in its own quest tab and later decided which stronghold to build.
<new thought>We will need to already be in House Redoran. This will need to be done after becoming Hlaalu Hortator. Then the highest rank can be achieved by repeatedly talking to Vedam Dren so House rank will not be an issue when trying to get new quests. Stronghold will be put in its own quest tab and later decided which stronghold to build.
I have attached a very basic quest outline for House Hlaalu to be used for plotting map coordinates (waypoints). It also includes the already shown MQ waypoints.
This was linked to on the UESPwiki. (Link is a downloadable .exe file). It has a ~3000 pixel map and a dropdown menu to select locations on the map which it will then zoom to. You can add or remove locations by altering the mwmain.gdb file in Wordpad. The contents look like this:
Code:
loc nm = Abanabi pc = 18 lt = point dl = 3 np = 1 ps = 4 pd = 136924,21313 pt = square end
I have determined a few (but not many) values:
Code:
nm -> name pc -> ??? lt -> ??? dl -> how far to zoom to find it. 0 = no zoom. also controls font size sort of. np -> ??? pd -> x,y coordinate grid. origin near center of map
I have determined that TES_Map_Hi.exe was written with Borland C++ 1999 by using a program called PEiD.exe. It would be helpful if someone could decompile this and alter the code so 1) the size of the window can be changed and 2) I can put in a different map file with different dimensions. I'll attach the ~6000px hi res map I found on the internet. It's a 5.85mb .jpg file.