monkey island 3

ForteGS

2007-08-19 05:45:18 pm

Bring me the flaming voodoo canonball!

any progress???
Haven't heard from you for a while....

Chokehold

2007-09-19 07:56:46 am

When in doubt, use explosives.

I'm also very interested in a progress...

Took the liberty of doing a quick run of CD1 (Plunder Island) myself...
Videos will be hotlinked below for download with download manager or just streaming or whatever. Hotlinks, in either case.

I have some good news and some bad news...

The good news (sort of), is that I've been able to complete the first CD at 18:37 minutes, roughly estimated.
I start counting at the point where I first get control of Guybrush; if I should start counting the second I hit mega monkey, add 9 seconds (18:46).

The bad news go like this: My sound card is really not on my side, and I haven't in one single way found means to record the audio.
Fraps won't record the audio (it records, but it's a flat wave pattern as if muted), ZD whatever lags the PC down to a complete lagfest which I simply will not have, and stand-alone audio recorders won't record anything at all, just like Fraps.
In either case, the video is there. Cursor included.

If anyone can provide me with a means to record with audio, if that's absolutely necessary that is, I can do another run. If not, then this is what you'll get.

CD1 -- Chapter 1 -- 01:55/02:04
CD1 -- Chapter 2 -- 16:42

This Plunder Island run can most definitely be done faster, I did miss twice with the cannon in the beginning, and also I got lost once or twice.
I skimmered through the rules as well and found that the dialogue skipping was approved, so I hit esc as often as I could to skip them, item and scene animations and so forth; these are the radical "hops" you will see.

That's it for me, and all in all I want to say that this run can probably be done well within 15 minutes, maybe 16.
And I suck at gaming at 4am. Grin

I'm also very interested in a progress...

Took the liberty of doing a quick run of CD1 (Plunder Island) myself...
Videos will be hotlinked below for download with download manager or just streaming or whatever. Hotlinks, in either case.

I have some good news and some bad news...

[b]The good news[/b] (sort of), is that I've been able to complete the first CD at 18:37 minutes, roughly estimated.
I start counting at the point where I first get control of Guybrush; if I should start counting the second I hit mega monkey, add 9 seconds (18:46).

[b]The bad news[/b] go like this: My sound card is really not on my side, and I haven't in one single way found means to record the audio.
Fraps won't record the audio (it records, but it's a flat wave pattern as if muted), ZD whatever lags the PC down to a complete [i]lagfest[/i] which I simply will not have, and stand-alone audio recorders won't record anything at all, just like Fraps.
In either case, the video is there. Cursor included.

If anyone can provide me with a means to record with audio, if that's absolutely necessary that is, I can do another run. If not, then this is what you'll get.

[url=http://animesource.info/choke/mi3-run/MI3-ch1-155.avi]CD1 -- Chapter 1 -- 01:55/02:04[/url]
[url=http://animesource.info/choke/mi3-run/MI3-ch2-1642]CD1 -- Chapter 2 -- 16:42[/url]

This Plunder Island run can [b][i]most definitely[/i] [/b] be done faster, I did miss twice with the cannon in the beginning, and also I got lost once or twice.
I skimmered through the rules as well and found that the dialogue skipping was approved, so I hit esc as often as I could to skip them, item and scene animations and so forth; these are the radical "hops" you will see.

That's it for me, and all in all I want to say that this run can probably be done well within 15 minutes, maybe 16.
And I suck at gaming at 4am. ;D

Burning_Death

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Burning_Death: 2007-09-19 09:00:29 pm

2007-09-19 08:59:00 pm

In my test runs I've done chapter 1 in about 1:00-1:15 minutes and chapter 2 could be done in about 10-11 minutes. It's just a matter of time when I will do the real speedrun, but don't give up yet.... I want challenge too Wink

!

Now, I try my best to point out the biggest or obvious mistakes:
Overall:
- Faster cutscenes and dialogue skipping with "Esc" and "." buttons
- Better knowledge of what to do next
- Using "E" (examine), "T" (talk) and "U" (use) buttons instead of the right-click menu

Chapter 1:
- Pick up ramrod after using cannon
- You could have skipped the last dialog with Wally by choosing "Just go ahead and shoot." before
- Faster and better control of the cannon

Chapter 2:
- Go to theater before 1st visit of barber shop
- Examine plaque before using scissors with undergrowth
- Eat tasty, buttery biscuit first
- Give gold tooth to salty pirate before talking to Haggis the 2nd time
- Use biscuit cutter with another rubber tree first

Overall, your route planing was very good, except going to the barber shop 2x too much. Just by improving the first 3 things I pointed out, you could gain a lot more time and the other things just add up second by second!

Sorry, I can't help you with your sound problem... I am using a DVD-recorder to capture my gameplay with sound.

In my test runs I've done chapter 1 in about 1:00-1:15 minutes and chapter 2 could be done in about 10-11 minutes. It's just a matter of time when I will do the real speedrun, but don't give up yet.... I want challenge too ;) !

Now, I try my best to point out the biggest or obvious mistakes:
Overall:
- Faster cutscenes and dialogue skipping with "Esc" and "." buttons
- Better knowledge of what to do next
- Using "E" (examine), "T" (talk) and "U" (use) buttons instead of the right-click menu

Chapter 1:
- Pick up ramrod after using cannon
- You could have skipped the last dialog with Wally by choosing "Just go ahead and shoot." before
- Faster and better control of the cannon

Chapter 2:
- Go to theater before 1st visit of barber shop
- Examine plaque before using scissors with undergrowth
- Eat tasty, buttery biscuit first
- Give gold tooth to salty pirate before talking to Haggis the 2nd time
- Use biscuit cutter with another rubber tree first

Overall, your route planing was very good, except going to the barber shop 2x too much. Just by improving the first 3 things I pointed out, you could gain a lot more time and the other things just add up second by second!

Sorry, I can't help you with your sound problem... I am using a DVD-recorder to capture my gameplay with sound.

Essentia

2007-09-19 10:28:34 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

Chokehold, I'm pretty sure SDA won't accept the run if there is no sound. I don't know how to help you with the problem (since I've never used Fraps), but you could try asking in the tech support forum.

El_Nino

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El_Nino: 2007-09-24 11:16:32 pm

2007-09-24 11:15:50 pm

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Great to see there is some movement in this run.

If the run is completed I will host it on http://www.Adventure-Speedruns.com

To the sound problem: Try to use Techsmith Camtasia Studio, maybe this will solve your problem. I use this programm for all my recordings. Which kind of soundcard do you have? AC97? Onboard?

greetz El-Nino

Chokehold

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Chokehold: 2007-09-28 12:11:14 am

2007-09-28 12:09:30 am

When in doubt, use explosives.

Wow, thank you everyone for your supportive replies!
And if that came out sarcastically, I just want to point out that I really mean it. Really, I do.

As for comments...

To Burning_Death
Honestly, I never really... planned any routes, I just started recording and went on.
I quote myself:

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This Plunder Island run can most definitely be done faster, I did miss twice with the cannon in the beginning, and also I got lost once or twice.
I skimmered through the rules as well and found that the dialogue skipping was approved, so I hit esc as often as I could to skip them, item and scene animations and so forth; these are the radical "hops" you will see.

Alas, I never said this is the fastest ever possible, it's just a bit of progress on the way. I'd consider it a training video of how not to do. Cheesy

To El_Nino
My soundcard is a Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio. Having a friend look it up however, this seems to just be a renamed Audigy SE2 (which I find is very lame of Creative to do).

To Essentia
I've tried other applications and all have suffered the same issues. I even tried a stand-alone audio recorder, but with no positive results.
Like I said, tried other applications, but not Camtasia to be honest.
I read somewhere (if memory serves) that it supports only up to 15fps, which I tried with Fraps, and it looked... awful. Just plain awful.
In either case, when opportunity shows, I'll try Camtasia like you suggested.

Wow, thank you everyone for your supportive replies!
And if that came out sarcastically, I just want to point out that I really mean it. Really, I do.

As for comments...

[b]To Burning_Death[/b]
Honestly, I never really... [i]planned[/i] any routes, I just started recording and went on.
I quote myself:
[quote]This Plunder Island run can [b][i]most definitely[/i] [/b] be done faster, I did miss twice with the cannon in the beginning, and also I got lost once or twice.
I skimmered through the rules as well and found that the dialogue skipping was approved, so I hit esc as often as I could to skip them, item and scene animations and so forth; these are the radical "hops" you will see.[/quote]
Alas, I never said this is the fastest ever possible, it's just a bit of progress on the way. I'd consider it a training video of how [i]not[/i] to do. :D

[b]To El_Nino[/b]
My soundcard is a Creative Soundblaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio. Having a friend look it up however, this seems to just be a renamed Audigy SE2 (which I find is very lame of Creative to do).

[b]To Essentia[/b]
I've tried other applications and all have suffered the same issues. I even tried a stand-alone audio recorder, but with no positive results.
Like I said, tried other applications, but not Camtasia to be honest. 
I read somewhere (if memory serves) that it supports only up to 15fps, which I tried with Fraps, and it looked... awful. Just plain awful.
In either case, when opportunity shows, I'll try Camtasia like you suggested.

Acapulco

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Acapulco: 2007-09-29 02:09:23 pm

2007-09-29 02:09:13 pm

Discontinued Speedrunner

I absolutely adore this game, ya scurvy sea-dogs! Grin

To see speedrun on swordfights would be very interesting...keep up the good work

El_Nino

2007-09-30 12:27:42 am

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I tried to record COMI some time ago with ScummVM and Camtasia for recording and it worked pretty and fluently

Try it. Smiley

Chokehold

2007-10-25 11:37:36 am

When in doubt, use explosives.

Sorry about the late response, been out IRL (believe it or not, but it does exist).

So.. When I get the time for it, I'll try Camtasia.
It seems to be a good application actually, just haven't really, you know.. Gotten my ass outta the wagon and given it a go.

In either case, I will record an official speedrun for you guys. Most definitely.
I may not be around often, and I may not post in every thread, but this is a certain, I will do this.
Even if it's only to be a starting point for improved runs. Smiley

SparkMan

2007-12-28 10:55:37 pm

Lets make this topic alive again Grin

I love Monkey Island 3. Have played it alot last week. Improved my personal best today too. Had 52.50, whole game without rest. Beat my personal best with 10min.

When will anyone make a speed run so all amatuers (like me) can have something to hunt?

ForteGS

2008-01-03 11:39:23 pm

Bring me the flaming voodoo canonball!

Quote:

Lets make this topic alive again Grin

I love Monkey Island 3. Have played it alot last week. Improved my personal best today too. Had 52.50, whole game without rest. Beat my personal best with 10min.

When will anyone make a speed run so all amatuers (like me) can have something to hunt?

Was that on Normal or Mega Monkey Mode?

El_Nino

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El_Nino: 2008-01-04 06:04:33 pm

2008-01-04 06:02:55 pm

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Quote:

Lets make this topic alive again Grin

I love Monkey Island 3. Have played it alot last week. Improved my personal best today too. Had 52.50, whole game without rest. Beat my personal best with 10min.

When will anyone make a speed run so all amatuers (like me) can have something to hunt?

It would be really great if you can record your speedrun. That's a really good time(52.50). I would really like to see that run. Looking forward for such a video. Good luck. If you need details for recording tools, you can ask me. l-nino@gmx.at

SparkMan

2008-01-05 08:04:42 am

ForteGS: It was MegaMonkey

El_Nino: Right now I don't have the time to play very much. Pretty busy irl. And I still work a bit on some better routes to save some more time. But I'll send you a mail if I can figure out myself Grin

El_Nino

2008-01-06 12:05:16 pm

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That sounds great. I am looking forward to that video.
Good luck and a lot spare time. ;-) See you.

SparkMan

2008-01-06 10:13:39 pm

I sent a mail to the adress you wrote here. Have some problems to get the sound work when I'm recording. Sad

El_Nino

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El_Nino: 2008-01-06 10:49:19 pm

2008-01-06 10:45:29 pm

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Hi SparkMan, thanx for your mail.

I have tried to send you a mail, but it came back with a mailure daemon.

Because of this I will tell you the content of the mail in this answer.

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Hi Frederik,

great to hear from you and your interests about doing a speedrun of monkey island 3.

The combination of scummVM and camtasia is a good chioce.

I hope I can solve your problems. Have you read my tutorial about camtasia?
http://www.adventure-speedruns.com/sites/tutorials.php
I wrote it for the version 4, but it's really similar to version 3.

If my hints in the doc file are not able to solve your problem, I am sure we will find other ways for the recording.

There are other ways and other tools for recording. ;-)

greetz
El-Nino

I am sure we can fix that problem about the sound troubles.

SparkMan

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SparkMan: 2008-01-07 12:32:21 pm

2008-01-07 11:33:20 am

Ohoy there pirates!

I have finally solved the problem with the sound (simply used my normal computer instead of my laptop). I will do some test runs first, then I will record a complete run.

Just some stuff I wanna ask about before I record:
Is it allowed to use esc to skip some chats?
Is it allowed to use both text and sound? Or just sound?
Do I have to make a record when I'm playing with a normal camera so you don't think I'm cheating or cut some stuff with movie maker?
When do I start and stop the time?
Shall the movie be in single segment or segment for each part?

Please, hurry with answers. I wanna play Grin

Edit: I made a new complete run. Took the time from when I could move until "The End" was showed. I tested a new tactic on the sea battle and got a pretty nice improvement. My new best time was 46.37 Shocked

El_Nino

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El_Nino: 2008-01-07 04:14:08 pm

2008-01-07 04:11:53 pm

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Great that the solution of this problem was quite easy.

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Is it allowed to use esc to skip some chats?

You can skip cutscenes and dialogues. But using the cheat to win the see fights is not allowed. In this case a big window appears, which asks you if you want to cheat. So this is not allowed to use it. All other things are allowed to skip.

Quote:

Is it allowed to use both text and sound? Or just sound?

The best combination is to use sound and text.

Quote:

Do I have to make a record when I'm playing with a normal camera so you don't think I'm cheating or cut some stuff with movie maker?

NO. You do not have to record yourself sitting in front of the computer. The recorded video of the game is enough.

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When do I start and stop the time?

Start the Record at the Start Screen where you can choose Easy or Difficult Way. So everyone can see that you choose the mega monkey difficult way. You can stop recording when the game is over and the words THE END is written on the screen.

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Shall the movie be in single segment or segment for each part?

This is your choice. Single or Multisegment. Single Segment is more difficult. But you can choose. If you use Multisegment, you have to know that you are allowed to save 1 time in each chapter. Better you save at the end of a chapter. So you cannot cheat with the mouse pointer at the beginning of a chapter. But if you are doing a single segment, you do not have to know this thing about savegames.

Congratz to your new time. Did you used the fight aborting on the see fights. Have you read the whole thread about monkey 3, as I know there were several tricks and dos and don't written.

Have you managed the problem with the "Insert Disc 2 Problem"?

Looking forward to your run.

Great that the solution of this problem was quite easy.

[quote]Is it allowed to use esc to skip some chats?[/quote]
You can skip cutscenes and dialogues. But using the cheat to win the see fights is not allowed. In this case a big window appears, which asks you if you want to cheat. So this is not allowed to use it. All other things are allowed to skip. 
[quote]Is it allowed to use both text and sound? Or just sound?[/quote]
The best combination is to use sound and text.
[quote]Do I have to make a record when I'm playing with a normal camera so you don't think I'm cheating or cut some stuff with movie maker?[/quote]
NO. You do not have to record yourself sitting in front of the computer. The recorded video of the game is enough.
[quote]When do I start and stop the time?[/quote]
Start the Record at the Start Screen where you can choose Easy or Difficult Way. So everyone can see that you choose the mega monkey difficult way. You can stop recording when the game is over and the words THE END is written on the screen.
[quote]Shall the movie be in single segment or segment for each part?[/quote]
This is your choice. Single or Multisegment. Single Segment is more difficult. But you can choose. If you use Multisegment, you have to know that you are allowed to save 1 time in each chapter. Better you save at the end of a chapter. So you cannot cheat with the mouse pointer at the beginning of a chapter. But if you are doing a single segment, you do not have to know this thing about savegames.

Congratz to your new time. Did you used the fight aborting on the see fights. Have you read the whole thread about monkey 3, as I know there were several tricks and dos and don't written.

Have you managed the problem with the "Insert Disc 2 Problem"?

Looking forward to your run.

SparkMan

2008-01-07 04:21:09 pm

Cool. Then it's just like I played earlier. In the sea battle I did not buy cannons every time I had won an insult fight like I did in my 52.50 run. Just defeated 4 guys, bought better cannons and defeated Captain Rottingham.

Anyway you will see when I have done a good recording Smiley

El_Nino

2008-01-07 04:56:23 pm

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Damn you are a really fast replier. ;-)

Great to hear that you are working on a record. :-)

Good luck.

SparkMan

2008-01-07 06:31:02 pm

Yep. I have sit at the forum many hours to get a couple of messages Wink

I made a movie now. Think this run was around 43.30 lol. I used images files and daemon tools to change cd fast so it's shown in the movie if I'm not cutting that away. And when the new cd was in the autostart came up and made a grey screen for 0,5s which I can't cut cause then it destroys the movie Sad

It wasn't perfect, niether the run or the recording. I hoped it, but I probably have to make it again. Don't think this movie will be accepted. Anyway I make more improvements, especially in the sea battle Smiley

El_Nino

2008-01-07 06:42:55 pm

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Try to copy the CD's on your disk, thsi can maybe solve the cd change problem.

I know a guy who had solved this problem, I will ask him to get this solved.

SparkMan

2008-01-07 06:49:03 pm

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Try to copy the CD's on your disk, thsi can maybe solve the cd change problem.

I know a guy who had solved this problem, I will ask him to get this solved.

Ok, I think it will help alot. You want a copy of this movie I made? It's 1,08GB but I can make it smaller and upload it somewhere.

El_Nino

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El_Nino: 2008-01-07 07:01:54 pm

2008-01-07 06:52:06 pm

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I found this in the readme file of scummVM.

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3.6) The Curse of Monkey Island notes:
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For this game, you will need the comi.la0, comi.la1 and comi.la2 files. The
comi.la0 file can be found on either CD, but since they are identical it
doesn't matter which one of them you use.

In addition, you will need to create a "resource" subdirectory containing all
of the files from -both- "resource" subdirectories on the two CDs. Some of
the files appear on both CDs, but again they're identical.

I also found this Link: http://forums.scummvm.org/viewtopic.php?t=1066&highlight=&sid=defc367bad61519e590bf0623e24d3a5

I think with this hints it is able to play the game without cd changing.

But test with a savegame which you made directly before cd changing if it works, before you record your speedrun.

EDIT: Why your movie is 1GB large? Is this the size of the camrec file?

SparkMan

2008-01-07 07:19:48 pm

Quote:

I found this in the readme file of scummVM.

I also found this Link: http://forums.scummvm.org/viewtopic.php?t=1066&highlight=&sid=defc367bad61519e590bf0623e24d3a5

I think with this hints it is able to play the game without cd changing.

But test with a savegame which you made directly before cd changing if it works, before you record your speedrun.

EDIT: Why your movie is 1GB large? Is this the size of the camrec file?

I tried it and it worked. Thanks alot, but why didn't you told me earlier? lol

Anyway I made too much misstakes so it wasn't a perfect speed run. I will do a better tomorrow, for my brother who celebrates his 24th birthday.

Yes, I choose save as AVI and with the same graphics so it was like 640/480. Excactly the same looks like when I played.