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Fed981: 2012-03-07 03:57:33 am

2012-03-07 03:55:26 am

About the new ones :

(29) spawn with lot of water, trees nearby, end portal with 2 eyes but access is kinda difficult (water, lava). Nether spawns in a cave, and I didn't see any ruins nearby.
(30) spawns near some trees, but with lot of water. the end portal has 1 eye in it, and is only 1 block under the water. there are some ruins in the nether nearby, but I didn't see any obvious blaze spawner. maybe this one needs some research.
(39) spawns on a mountain with cave system, but deep end portal with no eye ; I haven't seen any ruins nearby in the nether.
(43) water area, with only 1 tree nearby ; end portal with 2 eyes but very slow to go to it ; no ruins nearby (in the nether).
(55) spawns in a jungle (difficult to go through), end portal with 2 eyes but very deep ; no obvious ruins in the nether.

By the way, have you seen how close is the blaze spawner in the seed -56815554 ? That's what we should look for ^^

Oh and I let you run the script alone Cheesy

Amoirealinge

2012-03-07 10:21:41 am

(new acc. drMalcom)

Thanks for exploring those seeds. I'll keep generating new ones until we get blazes in the nether. I have a seed with the end portal 4 blocks away from the spawn now :p

Fed981

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Fed981: 2012-03-07 11:01:19 am

2012-03-07 10:48:22 am

Again, for the new ones :

(65) spawns on a tiny island, no trees on sight.
(69) spawns in a mountain area with a few trees, 2 eyes in the portal but it's quite deep, but, in a cave system. no ruins on sight in the nether.
(74) spawn near a few trees, end portal with 2 eyes in it, but quite deep, in the middle of the ocean, quite difficult to go there (the ocean goes in it). BUT only ~10 seconds of fly to a blaze spawner in the nether.
(82) spawns in a jungle biome, a desert being nearby. end portal without eyes, but the stronghold is in a ravine. no ruins on sight in the nether.
(88) spawns in the middle of the ocean, no island on sight.

Edit : according to your stats and the central limit theorem, 1 seed over ~13000 has the end portal less than 100 blocks away, and 1 over ~48000 for 50 blocks, 1/127000 for 25, and 1/376000 for 10 (yes, I like calculations).

Amoirealinge

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Amoirealinge: 2012-03-07 12:36:45 pm

2012-03-07 11:47:54 am

(new acc. drMalcom)

ahah that's really cool, actually I was trying to find the sigma-mu of the plot. Here is an updated plot (65434 seeds = 196302 portals):

The first portal is placed randomly within ~2400 of the origin (0, 0) and the other two are rotated by 120°.

Amoirealinge

2012-03-07 12:29:06 pm

(new acc. drMalcom)

just found an awesome seed !
-1979329136856630326

- Spawn near trees and cows
- End portal is 50 blocks away
- Blazes !
- In the stronghold, there are several chests with: buket, iron, iron pickaxe, iron swrod, ender eye
- The spawn in the End is not on an obsidian platform

I think that's the seed we should use for the run.

Fed981

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Fed981: 2012-03-08 03:43:09 am

Fed981: 2012-03-07 01:49:05 pm

2012-03-07 01:47:18 pm

For the plot : mean ~880 and standard deviation ~200.

For the seed you just meant, I'd like to say some things :
- the spawn near wood and meat is good, but in the jungle biome it's hard to travel fast
- in the nether, the blaze spawner is ~107 blocks away ; that's pretty good I still think we can find better
- the end portal has 1 eye in it
- with the chests we have directly our iron pickaxe, and our ender eye to duplicate (if it works)

In my opinion the major issue will be combat. You can make a bow, but there's no "source" of arrows ; also there's no snow biome nearby. That's for the towers (I noticed some of them are very high). And for the dragon, even a diamond sword will make it very long.

Now, what do you think? What would be the plan?

Edit : if we found this one in less than a week, I believe we should continue researching for an even better seed.

Amoirealinge

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Amoirealinge: 2012-03-08 03:11:19 am

2012-03-08 03:10:03 am

(new acc. drMalcom)

I now have 84k seeds, I'm going to stop the script now and post the new seeds later today.

Quote:

Now, what do you think? What would be the plan?

What I'd do :
- Punch 1 tree, craft a workbench
- Shovel + pickaxe
- Dig down, get the iron sword + pickaxe, destroy the spawner
- Get everything in the chests
- go back up, get 1 water, kill the cows
- No armor no torches, no other food than the cow meat (no snow ?)

now we'd need 3 strings for a bow, feathers and flint for the arrows + flint and steel... somehow.

- Use the 1 bucket we have to build the nether portal
- Create a new workbench, and duplication glitch on everything
- In the End, we need to learn were to shoot the arrows to destroy the crystals.

Fed981

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Fed981: 2012-03-08 03:47:50 am

2012-03-08 03:41:04 am

Quote from Amoirealinge:

now we'd need 3 strings for a bow, feathers and flint for the arrows + flint and steel... somehow.

The strings can be obtained from the spiderwebs in the library almost right under the portal room (you have 3 pieces of iron from a chest if I remember : 1 for flint and steel, 2 for shears).

You can have flint by luck manipulating while digging to the portal I believe.
For the feathers... you'll have to find some chicken.

Another possibility is to luck manipulate the spawn of a skeleton in a dark room or dark cave, in order to obtain an arrow.

I still believe we can find a better seed (this one already being awesome).

Edit : what about never go back up? I mean, you can kill the cows with a wood sword maybe (even an iron sword maybe, but I think it's not necessary). Then when you dig down, make it so that water falls underground (the place is right next to the ocean). Once you have a bucket, take water then but a block to stop it.

Edit : I also saw some iron armor parts in a chest.

[quote="Amoirealinge"]now we'd need 3 strings for a bow, feathers and flint for the arrows + flint and steel... somehow.[/quote]
The strings can be obtained from the spiderwebs in the library almost right under the portal room (you have 3 pieces of iron from a chest if I remember : 1 for flint and steel, 2 for shears).

You can have flint by luck manipulating while digging to the portal I believe.
For the feathers... you'll have to find some chicken.

Another possibility is to luck manipulate the spawn of a skeleton in a dark room or dark cave, in order to obtain an arrow.

I still believe we can find a better seed (this one already being awesome).

Edit : what about never go back up? I mean, you can kill the cows with a wood sword maybe (even an iron sword maybe, but I think it's not necessary). Then when you dig down, make it so that water falls underground (the place is right next to the ocean). Once you have a bucket, take water then but a block to stop it.

Edit : I also saw some iron armor parts in a chest.

Amoirealinge

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Amoirealinge: 2012-03-08 10:07:56 am

2012-03-08 10:07:35 am

(new acc. drMalcom)

Good idea about the spiderwebs and about the not going back up strategy.

I'm posting all the seeds that I have, including the old ones, and I will keep this post up to date.

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NUM	SEED			DIST	COMMENT

1     	8452341239914210561	4	no tree, no blaze
2     	5938318723643348687	7	desert, no blaze
3     	338323256258178094	8	ocean
4?     	-5512097086675753418	19	!!! Trees, blazes. Not bad, but seed num 25 is better
5     	-9160899115942193200	20	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
6     	-6623201498495443818	20	spawns in a taiga biome, end portal in the water but really not deep. nothing interesting in the closest chests. no blaze.
7     	2449305003543741571	21	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
8     	9118620438528022761	25	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
9     	-9110808035851429917	28	spawns on a small island with 1 tree. portal deep in water. nether spawns in a cave.
10    	-6212943072009733268	29	spawn with lot of water, trees nearby, end portal with 2 eyes but access is kinda difficult (water, lava). No blaze.
11?    	2788637560572396806	29	an interesting one. spawns near trees and chicken. gravel (so flint) on the way down to the portal (2 eyes in it). nearby : a chest with 4 iron pieces and an ender pearl ; also other chests with probably some more iron, and a library I believe. stronghold also in a ravine open to the surface. blaze spawner ~20 or 30 blocks away in the nether (but there's a little altitude). BUT the end is a little... miserable : many "cliffs" and it's kinda weird.
12?    	-5484401361497753557	30	?? spawns near some trees, but with lot of water. the end portal has 1 eye in it, and is only 1 block under the water. there are some ruins in the nether nearby, but I didn't see any obvious blaze spawner. maybe this one needs some research. ??
13    	6918409753013693513	35	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
14?    	2663518642237687802	35	forest biome, chicken, 1 eye in the portal, ender pearls in chests. stronghold in a ravine. blazes ~100 blocks away in the nether, with cliffs.
15    	-7049759542655620427	39	spawns on a mountain with cave system, but deep end portal with no eye, no blaze
16    	-8774161329626777973	40	No blaze
17    	7231928555483233750	40	rare trees at spawn. interesting things in nearby chests. but no blaze.
18    	7330599861426958431	42	3 eyes in the portal ; you directly see it in the water. no blaze
19    	-712694927409644655	43	water area, with only 1 tree nearby ; end portal with 2 eyes but very slow to go to it, no blaze
20    	3324745952867033403	44	jungle biome. weird end portal combined with a cave. weird nether spawn without blaze.
21    	-6217449544011012744	44	spawn on a cliff and rare trees. stronghold with iron in chests, combined with a ravine. weird nether spawn without blaze.
22    	-3419730190487543592	44	trees are quite close, snow too. end portal quite deep with 2 eyes. diamond in a chest. no blaze.
23    	-2030250116685043442	46	rare trees, cows. stronghold not deep in water but rare chests without anything interesting.
24    	-491323101396805197	49	rare trees, but the portal is right next to the spawn point. many iron pieces, iron pickaxe, ender pearl in chests. but nether spawns in a cave (no blazes ?)
25!    	-1979329136856630326	50	!!! Best seed so far. trees, cows, library + chest + buket + iron, chest + iron pickaxe + iron sword, chest + eye + gold, blazes !!!
26    	7871876791846052892	53
27    	1164296844832056653	54	1 eye in the portal (which is in a ravine under water), but spawn point in a desert --> no wood.
28    	-1092773203085480819	54
29    	-6050035802638231997	54
30    	-7993755546572520292	55	spawns in a jungle (difficult to go through), end portal with 2 eyes but very deep, no blaze
31    	5089279502211497388	57
32    	1098983915991955239	62	rare trees and chests. no blaze.
33    	-5448294009574722130	64
34    	533445620224840456	65	spawns on a tiny island, no trees on sight.
35    	8479651522649215547	66	spawns in the middle of the ocean, and it seems the end portal has been destroyed by another dungeon/ravine/stronhold/cave/mine/something.
36    	7339390709742031607	67
37    	5530095909760729176	69	spawns in a mountain area with a few trees, 2 eyes in the portal but it's quite deep, but, in a cave system. no ruins on sight in the nether.
38    	-3952644340003477175	69
39    	7242053601528859752	69
40    	-387463731835557017	70
41    	-6793327753292334396	72
42    	1105068970673412561	74	spawn near a few trees, end portal with 2 eyes in it, but quite deep, in the middle of the ocean, quite difficult to go there (the ocean goes in it). BUT only ~10 seconds of fly to a blaze spawner in the nether.
43    	2794262416471785940	76	spawns in a taiga biome, end portal with 1 eye, under water. The nether spawns at more than 20 seconds of fly from a blaze spawner.
44    	4435569370171048081	76
45    	-36740291735569831	77
46    	2453902092862459050	82	blaze spawner 139 blocks away, at (34, 60). spawns in a jungle biome, a desert being nearby. end portal without eyes, but the stronghold is in a ravine. no ruins on sight in the nether.
47    	-696854392779334763	82	
48    	8839512511558373930	82
49    	3595691047406756910	83
50    	-5134011732741989305	83
51    	5339546828903259698	84
52    	-1536807645484494120	84
53    	-3478601425576127960	86
54    	-7463848431974587800	86
55    	-7510488497625479886	87	
56    	-7133880018982815976	87
57    	8210497798760776795	87
58    	-4299709910825074698	88	spawns in the middle of the ocean, no island on sight.
59    	-327573963565808250	88
60    	-6891225328818463392	91
61    	-2533308318718406425	91
62    	-5663969595507618033	92
63    	-8812519128039918108	92
64    	1077949377702304604	93
65    	-8528682208013368137	94
66    	5441253086689807603	95
67    	3291024386708626713	95
68    	2396273837358445719	96
69    	-3823142227778842570	99
70    	696219530229101951	100
71    	3719973156462722159	100

Good idea about the spiderwebs and about the not going back up strategy.

I'm posting all the seeds that I have, including the old ones, and I will keep this post up to date.
[hidden][code]NUM	SEED			DIST	COMMENT

1     	8452341239914210561	4	no tree, no blaze
2     	5938318723643348687	7	desert, no blaze
3     	338323256258178094	8	ocean
4?     	-5512097086675753418	19	!!! Trees, blazes. Not bad, but seed num 25 is better
5     	-9160899115942193200	20	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
6     	-6623201498495443818	20	spawns in a taiga biome, end portal in the water but really not deep. nothing interesting in the closest chests. no blaze.
7     	2449305003543741571	21	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
8     	9118620438528022761	25	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
9     	-9110808035851429917	28	spawns on a small island with 1 tree. portal deep in water. nether spawns in a cave.
10    	-6212943072009733268	29	spawn with lot of water, trees nearby, end portal with 2 eyes but access is kinda difficult (water, lava). No blaze.
11?    	2788637560572396806	29	an interesting one. spawns near trees and chicken. gravel (so flint) on the way down to the portal (2 eyes in it). nearby : a chest with 4 iron pieces and an ender pearl ; also other chests with probably some more iron, and a library I believe. stronghold also in a ravine open to the surface. blaze spawner ~20 or 30 blocks away in the nether (but there's a little altitude). BUT the end is a little... miserable : many "cliffs" and it's kinda weird.
12?    	-5484401361497753557	30	?? spawns near some trees, but with lot of water. the end portal has 1 eye in it, and is only 1 block under the water. there are some ruins in the nether nearby, but I didn't see any obvious blaze spawner. maybe this one needs some research. ??
13    	6918409753013693513	35	spawns in the middle of nowhere.
14?    	2663518642237687802	35	forest biome, chicken, 1 eye in the portal, ender pearls in chests. stronghold in a ravine. blazes ~100 blocks away in the nether, with cliffs.
15    	-7049759542655620427	39	spawns on a mountain with cave system, but deep end portal with no eye, no blaze
16    	-8774161329626777973	40	No blaze
17    	7231928555483233750	40	rare trees at spawn. interesting things in nearby chests. but no blaze.
18    	7330599861426958431	42	3 eyes in the portal ; you directly see it in the water. no blaze
19    	-712694927409644655	43	water area, with only 1 tree nearby ; end portal with 2 eyes but very slow to go to it, no blaze
20    	3324745952867033403	44	jungle biome. weird end portal combined with a cave. weird nether spawn without blaze.
21    	-6217449544011012744	44	spawn on a cliff and rare trees. stronghold with iron in chests, combined with a ravine. weird nether spawn without blaze.
22    	-3419730190487543592	44	trees are quite close, snow too. end portal quite deep with 2 eyes. diamond in a chest. no blaze.
23    	-2030250116685043442	46	rare trees, cows. stronghold not deep in water but rare chests without anything interesting.
24    	-491323101396805197	49	rare trees, but the portal is right next to the spawn point. many iron pieces, iron pickaxe, ender pearl in chests. but nether spawns in a cave (no blazes ?)
25!    	-1979329136856630326	50	!!! Best seed so far. trees, cows, library + chest + buket + iron, chest + iron pickaxe + iron sword, chest + eye + gold, blazes !!!
26    	7871876791846052892	53
27    	1164296844832056653	54	1 eye in the portal (which is in a ravine under water), but spawn point in a desert --> no wood.
28    	-1092773203085480819	54
29    	-6050035802638231997	54
30    	-7993755546572520292	55	spawns in a jungle (difficult to go through), end portal with 2 eyes but very deep, no blaze
31    	5089279502211497388	57
32    	1098983915991955239	62	rare trees and chests. no blaze.
33    	-5448294009574722130	64
34    	533445620224840456	65	spawns on a tiny island, no trees on sight.
35    	8479651522649215547	66	spawns in the middle of the ocean, and it seems the end portal has been destroyed by another dungeon/ravine/stronhold/cave/mine/something.
36    	7339390709742031607	67
37    	5530095909760729176	69	spawns in a mountain area with a few trees, 2 eyes in the portal but it's quite deep, but, in a cave system. no ruins on sight in the nether.
38    	-3952644340003477175	69
39    	7242053601528859752	69
40    	-387463731835557017	70
41    	-6793327753292334396	72
42    	1105068970673412561	74	spawn near a few trees, end portal with 2 eyes in it, but quite deep, in the middle of the ocean, quite difficult to go there (the ocean goes in it). BUT only ~10 seconds of fly to a blaze spawner in the nether.
43    	2794262416471785940	76	spawns in a taiga biome, end portal with 1 eye, under water. The nether spawns at more than 20 seconds of fly from a blaze spawner.
44    	4435569370171048081	76
45    	-36740291735569831	77
46    	2453902092862459050	82	blaze spawner 139 blocks away, at (34, 60). spawns in a jungle biome, a desert being nearby. end portal without eyes, but the stronghold is in a ravine. no ruins on sight in the nether.
47    	-696854392779334763	82	
48    	8839512511558373930	82
49    	3595691047406756910	83
50    	-5134011732741989305	83
51    	5339546828903259698	84
52    	-1536807645484494120	84
53    	-3478601425576127960	86
54    	-7463848431974587800	86
55    	-7510488497625479886	87	
56    	-7133880018982815976	87
57    	8210497798760776795	87
58    	-4299709910825074698	88	spawns in the middle of the ocean, no island on sight.
59    	-327573963565808250	88
60    	-6891225328818463392	91
61    	-2533308318718406425	91
62    	-5663969595507618033	92
63    	-8812519128039918108	92
64    	1077949377702304604	93
65    	-8528682208013368137	94
66    	5441253086689807603	95
67    	3291024386708626713	95
68    	2396273837358445719	96
69    	-3823142227778842570	99
70    	696219530229101951	100
71    	3719973156462722159	100
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Fed981

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Fed981: 2012-03-08 01:42:30 pm

2012-03-08 01:41:18 pm

The summary is a good idea. Maybe just put something so that we can see more directly which one is good or not.

num. 6 : spawns in a taiga biome, end portal in the water but really not deep. nothing interesting in the closest chests. no blaze.
num. 8 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 11 : an interesting one. spawns near trees and chicken. gravel (so flint) on the way down to the portal (2 eyes in it). nearby : a chest with 4 iron pieces and an ender pearl ; also other chests with probably some more iron, and a library I believe. stronghold also in a ravine open to the surface. blaze spawner ~20 or 30 blocks away in the nether (but there's a little altitude). BUT the end is a little... miserable : many "cliffs" and it's kinda weird.
num. 13 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 22 : trees are quite close, snow too. end portal quite deep with 2 eyes. diamond in a chest. no blaze.
num. 32 : rare trees and chests. no blaze.

What do you think about num. 11?

Edit :
num. 5 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 7 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 9 : spawns on a small island with 1 tree. portal deep in water. nether spawns in a cave.

The summary is a good idea. Maybe just put something so that we can see more directly which one is good or not.

num. 6 : spawns in a taiga biome, end portal in the water but really not deep. nothing interesting in the closest chests. no blaze.
num. 8 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 11 : an interesting one. spawns near trees and chicken. gravel (so flint) on the way down to the portal (2 eyes in it). nearby : a chest with 4 iron pieces and an ender pearl ; also other chests with probably some more iron, and a library I believe. stronghold also in a ravine open to the surface. blaze spawner ~20 or 30 blocks away in the nether (but there's a little altitude). BUT the end is a little... miserable : many "cliffs" and it's kinda weird.
num. 13 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 22 : trees are quite close, snow too. end portal quite deep with 2 eyes. diamond in a chest. no blaze.
num. 32 : rare trees and chests. no blaze.

What do you think about num. 11?

Edit :
num. 5 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 7 : spawns in the middle of nowhere.
num. 9 : spawns on a small island with 1 tree. portal deep in water. nether spawns in a cave.

Fed981

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Fed981: 2012-03-09 06:53:50 am

2012-03-09 06:18:41 am

num. 14 : forest biome, chicken, 1 eye in the portal, ender pearls in chests. stronghold in a ravine. blazes ~100 blocks away in the nether, with cliffs.
num. 17 : rare trees at spawn. interesting things in nearby chests. but no blaze.
num. 20 : jungle biome. weird end portal combined with a cave. weird nether spawn without blaze.
num. 21 : spawn on a cliff and rare trees. stronghold with iron in chests, combined with a ravine. weird nether spawn without blaze.
num. 23 : rare trees, cows. stronghold not deep in water but rare chests without anything interesting.
num. 24 : rare trees, but the portal is right next to the spawn point. many iron pieces, iron pickaxe, ender pearl in chests. but nether spawns in a cave.

I suspect your script to give the distance to the middle of the stronghold, not to the end portal. All right, they're quite close, but that can make a difference sometimes.

Oh and, if you wish, you can shorten my sentences so that the summary is more understandable.

Amoirealinge

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Amoirealinge: 2012-03-09 10:35:35 am

2012-03-09 10:29:12 am

(new acc. drMalcom)

Num 11 has a skeleton spawner with two chests, but it's too far away from the portal I think. The End looks funny ^^
I just found something interesting. If you blow up a crystal when the dragon is very close to it, it can take as much as 70hp of damage. I don't know how exactly, because that happened only once.

Edit: in this video, it takes 43hp of damage. I think this can be part of the strategy.

Amoirealinge

2012-03-09 02:57:15 pm

(new acc. drMalcom)

Did they fix the duplication glitch ? It's not working anymore Sad

I have no name

2012-03-09 03:00:34 pm

Quote from Amoirealinge:

Did they fix the duplication glitch ? It's not working anymore Sad

Which one, the portal one or the forcequit game one?

Amoirealinge

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Amoirealinge: 2012-03-10 03:46:58 am

2012-03-09 03:06:05 pm

(new acc. drMalcom)

Quote from I have no name:

Which one, the portal one or the forcequit game one?

The portal one. I've tried to do it with several items but they aren't duplicating anymore. Can someone please confirm that ?
And the force-quit one, after I log back in the dropped items have despawned and they aren't in my inventory either.

Edit: ok the force-quit glitch works:
- Drop an item
- Save and quit
- Log back in
- Take the dropped items
- Alt-f4
- Log back in
- The item is now twice in the inventory.

works with any item.

Amoirealinge

2012-03-10 07:04:10 am

(new acc. drMalcom)

My attempt at speedruning with the seed num 25. I'm in the End now, need to find a good strategy. There is a lot of derping and me wondering what to do. There is room for a lot of improvement, but let me know what you think.

Done with a lot of cheats. Here is how I think the run can be improved:

- Get 2 or 3 arrows from the skeleton
- Don't take the iron armor (?)
- Better strategy for building the nether portal
- Eat only when inside the nether portal
- Duplicate the food as well

Any other suggestion ?

Fed981

2012-03-10 01:26:00 pm

First of all, great work. Then, the details.

If you need more wood, you can at first let the bottom one, in order to use it as a step, and mine it after. Also craft all the sticks at the beginning.

As you could have noticed the jungle biome is a hard one to travel through, maybe you'll have to find a better route.

I suggest to craft a stone pickaxe as soon as possible : when you have 2 cobble, mine another on the side, put a crafting table and craft the pickaxe. It would be also faster when mining the spawner. But it's possible that this is slower than mining all with the wood pickaxe.

And yes, take as many as possible arrows from the skeleton. At least 2 will let you forget 1 dupe glitch.

Also in my opinion, forget the gold and the armor. Your skills should make it.

If it's possible (I don't much about breathing), dig down so that water comes with you. So that you don't have to come back up only for water, and if you want to come back, just use the water as a ladder.

I think you could look for 3 diamonds near the end portal, then mine 1 obsidian block, then make some dupe glitch for arrows, random blocks (wood or cobble or anything), ender pearl and obsidian. With this method you can build the nether portal on the surface (if the spawner is closer this way, in terms of time) ; and yo ucan use the bow against blazes. Nevertheless your way to build the nether portal is cool ; we'll have to see which way is faster.

Because eating make things really slow, yes, eat only while waiting in the nether portal and waiting for the dragon to attack. I believe food is not necessary to duplicate.

After the nether, some dupe glitch will do it for the blaze rods.

For the end, I suggest to luck manipulate the dragon positions, in order to destroy each cristal when he's as close as possible to them. Then, if he's not dead, wait for him to attack (~10 blocks high), with the "180° turn" method maybe, then directly jump into the final portal.

That is many suggestions, maybe everything isn't good at all.

First of all, great work. Then, the details.

If you need more wood, you can at first let the bottom one, in order to use it as a step, and mine it after. Also craft all the sticks at the beginning.

As you could have noticed the jungle biome is a hard one to travel through, maybe you'll have to find a better route.

I suggest to craft a stone pickaxe as soon as possible : when you have 2 cobble, mine another on the side, put a crafting table and craft the pickaxe. It would be also faster when mining the spawner. But it's possible that this is slower than mining all with the wood pickaxe.

And yes, take as many as possible arrows from the skeleton. At least 2 will let you forget 1 dupe glitch.

Also in my opinion, forget the gold and the armor. Your skills should make it.

If it's possible (I don't much about breathing), dig down so that water comes with you. So that you don't have to come back up only for water, and if you want to come back, just use the water as a ladder.

I think you could look for 3 diamonds near the end portal, then mine 1 obsidian block, then make some dupe glitch for arrows, random blocks (wood or cobble or anything), ender pearl and obsidian. With this method you can build the nether portal on the surface (if the spawner is closer this way, in terms of time) ; and yo ucan use the bow against blazes. Nevertheless your way to build the nether portal is cool ; we'll have to see which way is faster.

Because eating make things really slow, yes, eat only while waiting in the nether portal and waiting for the dragon to attack. I believe food is not necessary to duplicate.

After the nether, some dupe glitch will do it for the blaze rods.

For the end, I suggest to luck manipulate the dragon positions, in order to destroy each cristal when he's as close as possible to them. Then, if he's not dead, wait for him to attack (~10 blocks high), with the "180° turn" method maybe, then directly jump into the final portal.

That is many suggestions, maybe everything isn't good at all.

Onin

2012-03-10 03:09:48 pm

Water ladders are really slow, building yourself back up is faster. Additionally you can't create a new water source block without already having one, as far as I know, so the trip to the surface is necessary either way.

I have no name

2012-03-10 03:38:47 pm

Early crafting phase improvement:
Top Row:1 wood 2 wood 1 wood
Middle and Bottom Row: nothing 2 sticks nothing
This allows a pick to be built followed immediately by a shovel.

leave the old tools in your quickbar until the spots are required/replace the spots

Don't use X-ray texture pack.

Kabuto

2012-03-10 04:04:46 pm

@Onin: The plan is to never have to go back up. But you're right about water ladders being slow. So slow that you cannot dig vertically to the chamber without drowning on the way. So you need additional countermeasures, e.g. temporarily blocking the water. You don't need source blocks, it's possible to put lava source blocks into flowing water, that'll convert them to obsidian instantly:

* Dig a hole like this (# and * = solid block, W = Water)

Code:

# *W
# #
# #
# #
# #
# #
###
 v down to portal chamber

* From the bottom of the pit destroy block * so that water starts coming down.

Then 3 or 4 times in a loop:
* Place a block right above your head to stop the water
* Dig down 3 blocks
* Destroy the block you've placed before

And finally dig down until you reach the chamber, along with a stream of water. Place 2 blocks to force the flowing into a portal-like shape:

Code:

W --
W-##-
W-  -
W-  -
WLLL

L = lava (small lava pit)
# = place block here
- = place lava here to complete portal

However, movement in water is much slower, so I don't know whether this saves time at all.

Also, stone pickaxes wouldn't save time IMO. If figures from the minecraft wiki are correct you save 6 seconds for mining 11 stone blocks with a stone pickaxe instead of a wooden pickaxe. I don't believe you can regularly mine another piece of wood, build a workbench and then use that workbench for crafting a pickaxe within 6 seconds.

And finally a suggestion: Put all required resources for shovel and pickaxe into the workbench at once so you can generate them both at once, too

@Onin: The plan is to never have to go back up. But you're right about water ladders being slow. So slow that you cannot dig vertically to the chamber without drowning on the way. So you need additional countermeasures, e.g. temporarily blocking the water. You don't need source blocks, it's possible to put lava source blocks into flowing water, that'll convert them to obsidian instantly: [spoiler]
* Dig a hole like this (# and * = solid block, W = Water)
[code]
# *W
# #
# #
# #
# #
# #
###
 v down to portal chamber
[/code]
* From the bottom of the pit destroy block * so that water starts coming down.

Then 3 or 4 times in a loop:
* Place a block right above your head to stop the water
* Dig down 3 blocks
* Destroy the block you've placed before

And finally dig down until you reach the chamber, along with a stream of water. Place 2 blocks to force the flowing into a portal-like shape:
[code]
W --
W-##-
W-  -
W-  -
WLLL
[/code]
L = lava (small lava pit)
# = place block here
- = place lava here to complete portal

However, movement in water is much slower, so I don't know whether this saves time at all.
[/spoiler]

Also, stone pickaxes wouldn't save time IMO. If figures from the minecraft wiki are correct you save 6 seconds for mining 11 stone blocks with a stone pickaxe instead of a wooden pickaxe. I don't believe you can regularly mine another piece of wood, build a workbench and then use that workbench for crafting a pickaxe within 6 seconds.

And finally a suggestion: Put all required resources for shovel and pickaxe into the workbench at once so you can generate them both at once, too

Kabuto

2012-03-10 04:46:55 pm

Double post, yay :-) My last sentence was basically was "I have no name" said.

If you stay with your "go up again and get a bucket of water" strategy, this will help:

Code:

#######
# w-
#- *-
#-  -
#-  -
#LLL#

# = wall, L = lava

Order of steps:
* Dig a 3-block-wide trench before the lava dam to stop the water from spreading further
* Place a water source block (at w)
* Place a solid block (at *)
* Place 7 lava source blocks (-) - that'll turn them into obsidian instantly
* Place 1 lava source block where the water source block is - it'll turn into obsidian, too, and get rid of all the water as well

The setup before placing lava:

Amoirealinge

Edit history:

Amoirealinge: 2012-03-11 12:04:39 pm

Amoirealinge: 2012-03-11 12:04:06 pm

2012-03-11 12:02:52 pm

(new acc. drMalcom)

Cool trick with the portal and the pickaxe/shovel, thanks.

I can survive a point-blank crystal blast with the armor, and the dragon takes > 30hp of damage. I think we need to destroy all the crystals that are up a very high tower first. And then use 2-3 crystals (edit: or a bed) for 60-100 hp of damage and then use the bow.

Kabuto

2012-03-11 04:42:08 pm

Watched your video again.

You can save time by mining just 3 pieces of wood instead of 5. In your run you use 17 planks. But you don't need 5 of these planks:

* Build your workbench not right at the start but next to the spot at which you're about to dig down. The only time after crafting scoop and pickaxe you'll need a workbench again is for crafting the bow. You can do this when you're climbing up for getting some water as well.

* Also, at 3:03 you don't need to place the topmost block for climbing. If you save that one you can use it as well for climbing to the surface.

Also, use the 4 planks e.g. at 3:03 and not when ascending to the surface since destroying them takes more time than destroying e.g. stone.

Gotler

2012-03-16 02:11:12 pm

I don't know how that dupe trick works, but if possible you could dupe flint and sticks too, to get arrows faster.

Amoirealinge

2012-03-18 02:04:00 pm

(new acc. drMalcom)

Quote from Gotler:

I don't know how that dupe trick works, but if possible you could dupe flint and sticks too, to get arrows faster.

The drops are not continuously saved, whereas the inventory is. The trick is to have the game save the drops both on the floor and in the inventory. For the flint + wood, you'd still need feathers.

I have a strategy for the boss fight, I just need to record it. I will need a power 1 bow, it can be dropped by a skeleton.