MGS4 (1:32:56 by Bonobodu28) - Glitch finding by TheThrillness/Magnum66

Mosaic-J

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Mosaic-J: 2008-08-03 08:16:33 am

2008-08-03 02:23:25 am

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

Quote from Wabs:

Quote from Mosaic-J:

Metal Gear Ray defeated in 1 min 33 secs (Major damage caused when Ray lept towards Rex & I charged at Ray before it landed) (Based on save at the start of the fight with Ray & end result of Act 4 screen)

I'm against the ray right now and I just realized how fast you were on this fight ! Shocked

Any more tips please? ^^

In the corner of the Port Area is an indestructable building. When I encountered Ray there & had just charged him, he proceeded to jump for some reason towards me (He usually jumps away or if your at a greater distance, he will leap forward to cover more ground quickly) In this case when he lept into the air I charged him & hit him before he landed. Major damage resulted. I was shocked at the amount! Problem is, I was hoping for all my methods to be easily replicated for future speedruns by myself or others. In this battle though I'm not sure it's possible without a fair amount of attempts & even a bit of shock, horror...luck! I didn't manage to find a method to consistantly reproduce this scenario. This doesn't mean it isn't possible. It means perservere & maybe you'll find the method...

Nice tactic about the grenade throwing Big Boss! That could shave seconds as I used them alot in my own run.

Glad to hear normal smokes work for the Powerstation approach tri-Ace.

Currently just produced a 20:47 run on Act 1. I know I could beat my time now if I continued with the other Acts & not even using the Resistance tactic. My Act 1 is just not fast enough yet! More work to be done on Act 1!

[quote="Wabs"]
[quote="Mosaic-J"]
Metal Gear Ray defeated in 1 min 33 secs (Major damage caused when Ray lept towards Rex & I charged at Ray before it landed) (Based on save at the start of the fight with Ray & end result of Act 4 screen)
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I'm against the ray right now and I just realized how fast you were on this fight !  :o
Any more tips please? ^^
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In the corner of the Port Area is an indestructable building. When I encountered Ray there & had just charged him, he proceeded to jump for some reason towards me (He usually jumps away or if your at a greater distance, he will leap forward to cover more ground quickly) In this case when he lept into the air I charged him & hit him before he landed. Major damage resulted. I was shocked at the amount! Problem is, I was hoping for all my methods to be easily replicated for future speedruns by myself or others. In this battle though I'm not sure it's possible without a fair amount of attempts & even a bit of shock, horror...luck! I didn't manage to find a method to consistantly reproduce this scenario. This doesn't mean it isn't possible. It means perservere & maybe you'll find the method...

Nice tactic about the grenade throwing Big Boss! That could shave seconds as I used them alot in my own run.

Glad to hear normal smokes work for the Powerstation approach tri-Ace.

Currently just produced a 20:47 run on Act 1. I know I could beat my time now if I continued with the other Acts & not even using the Resistance tactic. My Act 1 is just not fast enough yet! More work to be done on Act 1!

Asphyx1ateD

2008-08-03 02:37:11 am

Speaking of Act 1, I just managed 19:46, just bat tri-ace by 4 seconds, although I could definitely cut off at least 2 more seconds (which I may well do later if I feel like it). When I went to save I accidentally press O and lost like a second on the start menu and was also a little hesitant in one of my shots in the last screen. Oh well, VERY happy with this time! I used tri-ace's run as a basis for my own, altered most routes very slightly but took an entirely different route in the last screen which I found by chance... I'll try and get a description up for it soon.

d.fox

2008-08-03 03:12:18 am

this is my last run :

i used the resitance trick and combined it with a few trick i knew, i know i didnd did beter than the japanes one but this run was made during the night with my eyes almost closing after act 3. so next time i will just try to do it without unecessary lost of time. Now im pretty sure i can do something near 2/3 minutes beter than him but i need to sleep and go work soon XD

Mosaic-J

2008-08-03 05:02:58 am

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

Nice work Asphyx1ateD! I'm beginning to wonder now what is the absolute limit for a fast Act 1 time!? Did you lose any other time besides your menu mistakes? Like miss any shots or take a little longer than normal to align any? How many of your section times were faster than tri-Ace's? Where did you gain & where did you lose or equal section time?

I seem to find that the largest reason to lose time in the battle with the FROGS is when your confronted with loads of them just before/after Johnny has his "Moment" (In a fast time his action is actually bypassed) Time can be wasted in that battle &/or waiting for the others, especially Johnny.

Wabs

2008-08-03 07:30:12 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Mosaic-J : thanks for the tips, that charging when he jumps is indeed amazing! I didn't find a way to make him jump towards me so I was just patient and waited for a good run. I just had an amazing 1 minute fight! Shocked

Then there were the 3 custecenes to skip. My save before Ray was 1h23m53s. My save at the end of Act 4 is 1h25m10s! Only 1m17 which means still a bit less spent on the fight itself since there's the cutscenes skipping thing.
The missiles can work pretty well too. I had troubles to repeat it but sometimes if you aim well at all the targets you see on the Ray and fire all your missiles as fast as possible, you can just kill like half of his bar in a few seconds! Shocked

It's pretty rare though.
I found that using as many different attacks as possible helps to be fast on this fight, I used the gateling gun, the missiles, even the charged laser sometimes, the actions with triangle, the charging technique... But it's still pretty random to me and I'm far for masterizing this fight, I guess I was just very lucky to be that fast.

Okay, now I'm just 57s late compared to the 1h58 run. I was 2m34s late at the beginning of Act 4 which means I was 1m37 faster than him on this act!
It's not even a great performance by myself, it's just that Act 4 is by far the worst act of the japanese guy. He's almost 2 minutes too slow on Ray's fight, he was also not too fast in the areas between Wolf and Vamp. Anyway his fight against Wolf is really amazing and although I managed to use the same strat (after a long time since Wolf is rarely where you need her to be), I couldn't be as fast as he was there and probably lost many seconds here.
I'm going to change my sub 2h05 goal in a sub 2 hours goal. Smiley

Mosaic-J : thanks for the tips, that charging when he jumps is indeed amazing! I didn't find a way to make him jump towards me so I was just patient and waited for a good run. I just had an amazing 1 minute fight!  :o Then there were the 3 custecenes to skip. My save before Ray was 1h23m53s. My save at the end of Act 4 is 1h25m10s! Only 1m17 which means still a bit less spent on the fight itself since there's the cutscenes skipping thing.
The missiles can work pretty well too. I had troubles to repeat it but sometimes if you aim well at all the targets you see on the Ray and fire all your missiles as fast as possible, you can just kill like half of his bar in a few seconds!  :o It's pretty rare though.
I found that using as many different attacks as possible helps to be fast on this fight, I used the gateling gun, the missiles, even the charged laser sometimes, the actions with triangle, the charging technique... But it's still pretty random to me and I'm far for masterizing this fight, I guess I was just very lucky to be that fast.

Okay, now I'm just 57s late compared to the 1h58 run. I was 2m34s late at the beginning of Act 4 which means I was 1m37 faster than him on this act!
It's not even a great performance by myself, it's just that Act 4 is by far the worst act of the japanese guy. He's almost 2 minutes too slow on Ray's fight, he was also not too fast in the areas between Wolf and Vamp. Anyway his fight against Wolf is really amazing and although I managed to use the same strat (after a long time since Wolf is rarely where you need her to be), I couldn't be as fast as he was there and probably lost many seconds here.
I'm going to change my sub 2h05 goal in a sub 2 hours goal.  :)

Mosaic-J

2008-08-03 08:03:43 am

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

Glad to help! That's quite an improvement over my time for Ray. Nice work! Just need to define that stategy now to allow consistant use of the method.

The Jap run is definitely not the ultimate run. It gives a good idea of the overall time for it though.

tri-Ace Fanboy

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tri-Ace Fanboy: 2008-08-03 11:00:37 am

2008-08-03 10:54:15 am

Direct Assault!

Congrats on the time Asphyx1ateD. I'm interested in your route for the last room, I hate my route on that one because I have to wait for the guards to turn.

Mosaic-J, how do you handle the guard next to the Claymore when tracking Naomi? With the BB mask you can just run past the FROGS but then the guard is facing the direction I come from and spots me immediately.

Also your Octopus strategy is perfect! I can't see it getting any faster. Do you mind if I make a video of it (giving you credit of course)?

Mosaic-J

2008-08-03 11:18:46 am

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

Quote from tri-Ace Fanboy:

Congrats on the time Asphyx1ateD. I'm interested in your route for the last room, I hate my route on that one because I have to wait for the guards to turn.

Mosaic-J, how do you handle the guard next to the Claymore when tracking Naomi? With the BB mask you can just run past the FROGS but then the guard is facing the direction I come from and spots me immediately.

Also your Octopus strategy is perfect! I can't see it getting any faster. Do you mind if I make a video of it (giving you credit of course)?

Just before you reach the PMC soldier move to the left side until you can just make out his head before he crouches to deal with the Claymore, shoot him in the head with the Mk 22 & then move back over to the right side passing to the right of the Claymore. I tested this & it does save a few seconds! (I haven't tried it with the BB facemask but I don't see him noticing you if you get the right spot)

I was very pleased with the Octopus method as I also couldn't find a way to get it any faster! I played around quite a while to perfect it. I'm glad you like it. By all means put a vid up of it & thanks for the thought of asking & giving me the credit m8!

I have to say I'm really impressed how the people on this forum are helpful and friendly! SDA all the way!

[quote="tri-Ace Fanboy"]
Congrats on the time Asphyx1ateD. I'm interested in your route for the last room, I hate my route on that one because I have to wait for the guards to turn.

Mosaic-J, how do you handle the guard next to the Claymore when tracking Naomi? With the BB mask you can just run past the FROGS but then the guard is facing the direction I come from and spots me immediately.

Also your Octopus strategy is perfect! I can't see it getting any faster. Do you mind if I make a video of it (giving you credit of course)?
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Just before you reach the PMC soldier move to the left side until you can just make out his head before he crouches to deal with the Claymore, shoot him in the head with the Mk 22 & then move back over to the right side passing to the right of the Claymore. I tested this & it does save a few seconds! (I haven't tried it with the BB facemask but I don't see him noticing you if you get the right spot)

I was very pleased with the Octopus method as I also couldn't find a way to get it any faster! I played around quite a while to perfect it. I'm glad you like it. By all means put a vid up of it & thanks for the thought of asking & giving me the credit m8!

I have to say I'm really impressed how the people on this forum are helpful and friendly! SDA all the way!

Wabs

2008-08-03 11:22:04 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Well, you're not the least helpful around here! You helped just everyone quite a lot I guess. Smiley

Ok, Ocelot beaten, credits at the moment, I'm waiting for the time to pop up, I hope it's not over 2 hours. Grin

Wabs

2008-08-03 12:20:32 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

1h59m11s

Now I do regret I wasn't more concerned on the first two acts since I had 2m27s more than the japanese guy at the end of Act 2 and I end up being only 39s slower.

Here are the best times we know for each act:
Act 1: 19m46s (Asphyx1ateD)
Act 2: 20m56s (Mosaic-J)
Act 3: 20m35s (1h58 japanese guy)
Act 4: 19m20s (Wabs)
Act 5: 34m01s (Wabs)
Theorical total time : 1h54m38s

This is just a first throw, obviously there could be people who have been faster on a specific act.
I'm sure someone here will soon get under 1h55! I think I'm not good enough to try that and I'm very happy with this sub 2 hours time so... your turn to try guys, we need to beat that japanese. Wink

Although his run is not the ultimate run, it's still an amazing run and it helped us a lot. With everyone's help, let's go down to 1h50 now! Cheesy

Asphyx1ateD

2008-08-03 01:23:09 pm

Quote from Mosaic-J:

Nice work Asphyx1ateD! I'm beginning to wonder now what is the absolute limit for a fast Act 1 time!? Did you lose any other time besides your menu mistakes? Like miss any shots or take a little longer than normal to align any? How many of your section times were faster than tri-Ace's? Where did you gain & where did you lose or equal section time?

I seem to find that the largest reason to lose time in the battle with the FROGS is when your confronted with loads of them just before/after Johnny has his "Moment" (In a fast time his action is actually bypassed) Time can be wasted in that battle &/or waiting for the others, especially Johnny.

Fastest I think possible is... 19:40, I didn't lose much time anywhere although I kept my weapon set primed for Act 2 so I had a extra second or two adding a weapon I needed for Act 2). I missed the first shot headshotting the lower balcony/window guy Downtown which cost me a second I guess, and ended up crouching before entering Advent Palace despite the fact I usually run through no problems. Another problem I had was, again Downtown, the PMC behind the sandbags wasn't facing the right way for me no matter what I did, so I had to roll past the boxes into prone, then sideways roll to the car and crawl through, costing me perhaps a second or 2 again. My FROG battle was almost perfect, I didn't get shot until the 3rd floor although I got pummelled there. I delayed one shot on the bottom floor costing me again a second or 2 I imagine. After the tank scene, after the Garage, I used 4 blue smokes as I was having problems with guard placement again. Last screen I take an entirely different route:

Well, I start the same. With the Solid Eye equipped, scare the right guy with the mask, then CQC the left. Here is where me and tri-ace differ totally: I run straight forward, and de-equp the Solid Eye (I think this makes a difference) and run straight in front of the patrolling left guy and scare him. Up the stairs, and scare the guy up there too. Roll down the hole and out the metal door to my front-left. Tranq the guy in front of me (guy left of fountain) and run diagonally right to the exit. I run to the left around the boxes and scare the guy here. Tranq the guy to my left (below tower) by leaning out then running straight right, in front of the guy by the door, and roll through it.

For time comparisons... well, here are tri-ace's times:

After the initial cutscenes (3:45)
After the Mk.II (5:10)
After the Oil Drum (8:14)
Advent Palace (9:31)
After the FROGS (16:47)
After the B&B Cutscene (18:32)
End of Act (19:50)

Mine:

Where you first get Otcocamo (Red Zone NW Sector): 03:47
Statue section: 04:27 (saved here as I was having problems with me mis-timing it as I was so tired so I just saved here for sake of my sanity).
After MK. II: 05:12
Downtown (after Drum can): 08:10
Advent Palace (bit with mines): 09:44
Garage (after the cut-scenes with the RAT PT 01 have gone): 16:45
Millennium Park (after B&B's): 18:31
End of act: 19:46

Screenshot of my time as I forgot to post it:

[quote="Mosaic-J"]Nice work Asphyx1ateD! I'm beginning to wonder now what is the absolute limit for a fast Act 1 time!? Did you lose any other time besides your menu mistakes? Like miss any shots or take a little longer than normal to align any? How many of your section times were faster than tri-Ace's? Where did you gain & where did you lose or equal section time?

I seem to find that the largest reason to lose time in the battle with the FROGS is when your confronted with loads of them just before/after Johnny has his "Moment" (In a fast time his action is actually bypassed) Time can be wasted in that battle &/or waiting for the others, especially Johnny.
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Fastest I think possible is... 19:40, I didn't lose much time anywhere although I kept my weapon set primed for Act 2 so I had a extra second or two adding a weapon I needed for Act 2). I missed the first shot headshotting the lower balcony/window guy Downtown which cost me a second I guess, and ended up crouching before entering Advent Palace despite the fact I usually run through no problems. Another problem I had was, again Downtown, the PMC behind the sandbags wasn't facing the right way for me no matter what I did, so I had to roll past the boxes into prone, then sideways roll to the car and crawl through, costing me perhaps a second or 2 again. My FROG battle was almost perfect, I didn't get shot until the 3rd floor although I got pummelled there. I delayed one shot on the bottom floor costing me again a second or 2 I imagine. After the tank scene, after the Garage, I used 4 blue smokes as I was having problems with guard placement again. Last screen I take an entirely different route:

Well, I start the same. With the Solid Eye equipped, scare the right guy with the mask, then CQC the left. Here is where me and tri-ace differ totally: I run straight forward, and de-equp the Solid Eye (I think this makes a difference) and run straight in front of the patrolling left guy and scare him. Up the stairs, and scare the guy up there too. Roll down the hole and out the metal door to my front-left. Tranq the guy in front of me (guy left of fountain) and run diagonally right to the exit. I run to the left around the boxes and scare the guy here. Tranq the guy to my left (below tower) by leaning out then running straight right, in front of the guy by the door, and roll through it.

For time comparisons... well, here are tri-ace's times:

After the initial cutscenes (3:45)
After the Mk.II (5:10)
After the Oil Drum (8:14)
Advent Palace (9:31)
After the FROGS (16:47)
After the B&B Cutscene (18:32)
End of Act (19:50)

Mine:

Where you first get Otcocamo (Red Zone NW Sector): 03:47
Statue section: 04:27 (saved here as I was having problems with me mis-timing it as I was so tired so I just saved here for sake of my sanity).
After MK. II: 05:12
Downtown (after Drum can): 08:10
Advent Palace (bit with mines): 09:44
Garage (after the cut-scenes with the RAT PT 01 have gone): 16:45
Millennium Park (after B&B's): 18:31
End of act: 19:46

Screenshot of my time as I forgot to post it:

[img]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g301/PhantoM_XI/Other/MGS4Act1v2.jpg[/img]

Mosaic-J

2008-08-03 01:48:53 pm

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

Quote from Bartauron:

I had:
act1 - 22:45 (slow)
act2 - 44:15
act3 - 1:11:45
act4 - 1:36
act5 - 2:08:47

Congratulations on your time Wabs! I'm also pleased you managed to do the Ray method I found. Proves it's not lucky & there is a method after all. Although Bartauron seems to have the fastest known time for Act 5.

Asphyx1ateD if your times were interchanged with tri-Ace's (best of both) we could have the best current markers for fast sections in Act 1.

Wabs

2008-08-03 02:00:20 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Thanks!
That time Barautron has on Act 5 is Shocked

! Any tips to share Barautron?
Is that 1h36 at the end of Act 4 exact or is it 1h36 something?

Asphyx1ateD

2008-08-03 02:30:42 pm

Quote from Mosaic-J:

Asphyx1ateD if your times were interchanged with tri-Ace's (best of both) we could have the best current markers for fast sections in Act 1.

We seemed to plan our menu trips differently, main reason he was so much faster than me Downtown was 'cause I went to the menu before I entered the Palace.

tri-Ace Fanboy

2008-08-03 03:50:17 pm

Direct Assault!

Laughing Octopus fight:

I got 20:46 on Act 2 from my 19:50 run. 40:36 total. Encoding/uploading.

Saves and times:
After first cutscenes (20:21)
After Rose codec call (21:57)
After Drebin (23:44)
Vista Mansion (25:45)
During Naomi's cutscene (27:53)
Laughing Beauty (31:23)
Drebin's truck (34:31)
Market (40:08)
End of Act (40:36)

Wabs

2008-08-03 03:56:24 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

so...

Here are the best times we know for each act:
Act 1: 19m46s (Asphyx1ateD)
Act 2: 20m46s (tri-Ace Fanboy)
Act 3: 20m35s (1h58 japanese guy)
Act 4: 19m20s (Wabs)
Act 5: 32m47 (Barautron)
Theorical total time : 1h53m14s

amazing stuff tri-Ace, you're going to kill the 1h58 record! Cheesy

Mosaic-J

2008-08-03 06:34:46 pm

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

Nice work tri-Ace! You did my description justice. It "Flows" doesn't it?

Did you change any known techniques for any of Act 2's sections? You were 10 seconds faster than me. I think the Jap vid shows the fastest possible method for the FROGS before LO. I had a fast method but his is a few seconds faster & I may of lost a few seconds here (As 3 pairs of FROGS land in the same spot in his vid). Did you roll/climb over the rails in the Market then keep running down the right side (1 stall is destroyed just before you reach it allowing you to keep running staight) until you encounter the stall where you have to weave around before the exit? That was the method I had used.

Did you try NV with the M82A2 on the Gekko during the APC ride?

Asphyx1ateD

2008-08-03 06:43:11 pm

Quote from Mosaic-J:

Did you try NV with the M82A2 on the Gekko during the APC ride?

I tried that, didn't seem to work or help at all.

Mosaic-J

2008-08-03 07:25:50 pm

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

I didn't use that NV/M82A2 combo myself. I just remained on the gun the whole time. tri-Ace spoke about attempting it.

I was just about to head off to bed when I thought I would check out your YouTube page tri-Ace. Lo & behold you put part 1 of your Act 2 run up, so I've just watched it & it seems my questions will be answered from the videos alone. I see you made good use of the BB facemask! I didn't use it during Act 2, I had to shoot a few PMCs that you ran straight past (Didn't know it wouldn't trigger an alert). That will be my time difference along with the different method used for the FROGS. Also it was executed very well m8!! Can't see a great deal of possible improvement (talking seconds) if any! If I had posted a vid for my run our routes would of been the same (Besides the FROGS).

I don't see much need for the S.A Rebel disguise though. I understand that the rebels perceive you as 1 of them, but when you run ahead it disturbs their plans anyway. Octocamo does the job just the same. Could save a second or 2.

I didn't use that NV/M82A2 combo myself. I just remained on the gun the whole time. tri-Ace spoke about attempting it.

I was just about to head off to bed when I thought I would check out your YouTube page tri-Ace. Lo & behold you put part 1 of your Act 2 run up, so I've just watched it & it seems my questions will be answered from the videos alone. I see you made good use of the BB facemask! I didn't use it during Act 2, I had to shoot a few PMCs that you ran straight past (Didn't know it wouldn't trigger an alert). That will be my time difference along with the different method used for the FROGS. [i]Also it was executed very well m8!! [/i] Can't see a great deal of possible improvement (talking seconds) if any! If I had posted a vid for my run our routes would of been the same (Besides the FROGS).

I don't see much need for the S.A Rebel disguise though. I understand that the rebels perceive you as 1 of them, but when you run ahead it disturbs their plans anyway. Octocamo does the job just the same. Could save a second or 2.

tri-Ace Fanboy

2008-08-03 07:43:29 pm

Direct Assault!

Act 2:
(LO battle is the same as the other video)

Two things I regret. First was changing to the Snake camo on the FROGS, I thought it would be useful for the 1-hit KO on the truck later but I didn't get attacked by any guards there so it was a waste. Then I got a bad Laughing Beauty fight... or at least not as good as it could be. Is it random whether the beauties dodge or not?

For the Gekkos the truck's machine gun really is the best, they're a lot more durable than the ones in Shadow Moses. I thought the night vision would help seeing them through the smoke but it didn't work either, and destroying the MGS didn't make the gate go down any faster... so nothing new on the truck ride. I didn't roll over anything in the market.

The sneaking was great though. BB mask helped a lot more than in Act 1, there are many areas where I just run up to the guards so there's little shooting. There's only one bullet I take too long to shoot, in the camp before the Vista Mansion.

For Act 3 I'll do it up to Eva with and without the trick to see the difference in time, then I'll continue the run without the trick but can still compare the time to the ones with the trick.

I had more to say but I'm in a hurry now, will comment more later.

Act 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-1ub1oZbtg (LO battle is the same as the other video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlpULG72kDg

Two things I regret. First was changing to the Snake camo on the FROGS, I thought it would be useful for the 1-hit KO on the truck later but I didn't get attacked by any guards there so it was a waste. Then I got a bad Laughing Beauty fight... or at least not as good as it could be. Is it random whether the beauties dodge or not?

For the Gekkos the truck's machine gun really is the best, they're a lot more durable than the ones in Shadow Moses. I thought the night vision would help seeing them through the smoke but it didn't work either, and destroying the MGS didn't make the gate go down any faster... so nothing new on the truck ride. I didn't roll over anything in the market.

The sneaking was great though. BB mask helped a lot more than in Act 1, there are many areas where I just run up to the guards so there's little shooting. There's only one bullet I take too long to shoot, in the camp before the Vista Mansion.

For Act 3 I'll do it up to Eva with and without the trick to see the difference in time, then I'll continue the run without the trick but can still compare the time to the ones with the trick.

I had more to say but I'm in a hurry now, will comment more later.

Asphyx1ateD

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Asphyx1ateD: 2008-08-04 01:32:01 am

2008-08-03 07:47:32 pm

Just re-did the last screen on Act 1 as I was hesitant with one of my shots, knocked a second off. Couldn't seem to replicate my flawless FROG fight so I just gave up trying to get it any faster. 19:45 is my limit for now with Act 1, as I just want to get going with Act 2.

Okay, Act 2 done. 19:52 from start to end, 40:08 at results screen:

Times and saves:

Start of act, after cut-scenes (going from a 19:45 Act 1): 20:16
Next screen: 21:50
After Drebin cut-scene in Power station: 23:38
Vista Mansion: 25:36
Mid cut-scene before the Octopus FROGs: 27:45
Octopus: 29:26
Beauty: 31:02
Start of APC chase: 34:11
Marketplace: 39:41
End of Act: 40:08

Mosaic-J

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Mosaic-J: 2008-08-04 05:16:50 am

2008-08-04 02:47:14 am

MGS4 is a gaming masterpiece.

I had saved at the start of every Beauty fight just to make sure that I would hit her with 2 successive Solar Gun shots. Saving doesn't cost any time so it worked well. tri-Ace I went back to an older save in Act 3 when the trick was discovered just to see how much time I would of saved & found out it was just over 7 minutes. That would of brought my time down to 2 hrs then minus the new time for Crying Wolf & I would of got another 1 min 30 secs off. 1:58:?? could of been my actual time.

Nice work Asphyx1ateD you had an impressive Act 2 as well! Did you use the BB facemask? Anything different for your run?

Asphyx1ateD

2008-08-04 02:53:52 am

Quote from Mosaic-J:

Nice work Asphx1ateD you had an impressive Act 2 as well! Did you use the BB facemask? Anything different for your run?

Yeah I did use it, my Act 2 was more or less the exact same as tri-ace's; I can't think of anything notably different, I was just generally a little faster it seems (from what I can tell after a watch of his videos, I think I gained the time on my headshots). I tranq'd the watch-tower guard in the Confinement Facility rather than using the Solar Gun if that makes a difference. I lost a bit of time having to CQC a "zombie" during the APC bit with all the Gekkos in front of you. I also used blue smokes rather than standard ones, but pretty much in the same locations. I think I could knock a few seconds off, if I went back to an earlier save... perhaps under 40:00, but I'm not sure. I just want to get cracking with Act 3 instead (which I hope to start - and finish - today).

Garf

2008-08-04 04:41:29 am

Hi there people, I've discovered a little trick during the escape with Drebin on Act II, I don't know if you already know it...

On the 3rd screen, you have to destroy that big green gate, and it takes some time with the gatling gun. The trick here is to shoot the gate with a Javelin twice (maybe more on Extreme, I only tried it on Easy) when Drebin stops moving.

I'm sure it can be a good way to speed the game up Wink

Hope I help, even a little, have fun and play well :p

Wabs

2008-08-04 05:33:00 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Awesome act 2 Asphyx1ate!
But I think we should all use the same way of "timing" the acts, that is just making a difference between the results screen of act 1 and the results screen of act 2. That's what we've all done so far. Smiley

So your 19:52 would be actually 20:23 which is still crazy since it's 23 seconds faster than tri-Ace. Thanks for the videos btw tri-Ace.