Metroid Speedrunning Marathon!!!!

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2013-12-09 08:48:03 pm

kirbymastah: 2013-12-04 08:25:52 am

2013-12-04 08:25:03 am

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It's probably best if we just list out all the games, and write down which interested runners are able to do each game first. I guess I can go ahead and do that for now.

Metroid

Cak
Dragondarch

Metroid: Zero Mission

JaggerG
Kirbymastah
Dragondarch
MobiusMan

Metroid Prime

MilesSMB

Metroid Prime: Hunters

Amhite?????

Metroid Prime Pinball

TheMG2???

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

MilesSMB
kirbymastah

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

~~MilesSMB~~
kirbymastah

Metroid II: Return of Samus

EmptyEye

Another Metroid 2 Remake

Dragondarch

Super Metroid

Zoasty
Kottpower

Metroid: Other M

JaggerG

Metroid Fusion

JaggerG
Kirbymastah
Jamillton

I think we can go for a charity. While this marathon would be short, metroid runs are very, very popular among twitch viewers, especially super metroid.

TheMG2

2013-12-04 10:02:58 am

I kinda don't have a DS capture board at the moment, and can't guarantee I will have one by then (I'm kinda lazy about buying things). If I do, I guess I could do pinball, but no guarantees.

I also pm'ed amhite.

JaggerG

2013-12-04 11:27:09 am

Jumping Turtle

Are they that popular? Super Metroid is for sure, and probably Metroid Prime, but the series overall seems pretty niche. That's not to say it's not gonna raise a lot for charity; I'm sure it's gonna do fine. I just think, as far as Nintendo franchises, it's probably average in fandom.

Svenne

2013-12-05 06:17:38 pm

Smörgåsbord

I think they are like as popular as Donkey Kong is, like tied #3 after Mario and Zelda right? Not counting the Mario Kart games and all that stuff! Smiley

Great work Kirbymastah! Now we have a picture of what we got so far!

Super Metroid got like 3-4 different categories that is different ehough they could do, like Any%, 100%, Low% and GT Code or something like that?

Also, we could have one run of Metroid (NES) and have it followed by the same category MZM so we can explain it's a remake with additions etc? People might love stuff like that? I'm just brainstorming here!

JaggerG

2013-12-06 02:34:47 am

Jumping Turtle

Super Metroid Reverse Boss Order is really interesting, too. It's similar to GT code, but it has more emphasis on sequence breaking, and you actually route out and collect all the equipment you need.

Draj

2013-12-06 04:55:19 pm

I would love to see a Suitless (Varia/Gravity skip) Any% of Metroid Prime 1.

TheMG2

2013-12-06 05:00:57 pm

I'm not sure anybody is willing to do that Draj.

Mobiusman

2013-12-07 03:53:06 am

crosspost from m2k2: if you need multiple zero mission runs, I could maybe do one.

Svenne

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Svenne: 2013-12-09 12:31:20 pm

2013-12-09 12:25:01 pm

Smörgåsbord

Quote from Mobiusman:

crosspost from m2k2: if you need multiple zero mission runs, I could maybe do one.

Ok, what is you twitch account? Smiley

Quote from A-M:

I don't know if you have thought to do a bonus stream, but what about a GoronNop style 2players 1controller Metroid Prime run for fun? I did one run recently with SpaceVector and that was really cool. itspersonnal and ptorflaxendrosis also did one run... that would be so fun to do a 2vs2 race!
Anyway, I know it's not really serious, but if there is a bonus stream I think it can be funny

Sounds like fun! Will add it for bonusstream!

I also talked with some in the SM community, RBO is more interesting then GT-Code.

Mobiusman

2013-12-09 02:56:20 pm

Quote from Svenne:

Quote from Mobiusman:

crosspost from m2k2: if you need multiple zero mission runs, I could maybe do one.

Ok, what is you twitch account? Smiley

www.twitch.tv/mobiusman

I haven't been using it much lately, although I'd like to change that. The other ZM guys know me Wink

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2013-12-09 05:19:46 pm

2013-12-09 05:19:21 pm

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Mobius is a legit MZM speedrunner ~~that only cares about RTA and not in-game time~~ and would represent MZM pretty well when doing 100% (IIRC that's his, and also my, main category)

and yeah, RBO super metroid is really fun and interesting to watch; I saw kottpower running it a few times

Dragondarch

2013-12-09 07:18:00 pm

Pudding%

Guess it's kind of good that I now main in a category that no one else wants to touch Tongue

Also, AM2R is not a Metroid 2 hack...it's a complete remake. Similar to how Zero Mission is a remake of NES Metroid. The ony caveat is that I couldn't even begin to give an estimate since I'd using whatever public demo would be available at the time. The game isn't finished yet, and right now the public demo goes through area 2. It's quite possible that it would go through area 3 by the time this comes up, though.

kirbymastah

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2013-12-09 08:46:29 pm

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Here's what I know about the categories, and what I think should be in for the most part (and why, to the best of my knowledge) (also I put down time estimates I think make sense, though if for your game, it doesn't, speak up!):

Metroid 1 (not sure what reasonable time estimates would be?)

Any% (2 bosses) (0:30:00)
100% (1:00:00)

both are pretty solid categories for the most part (they're different too IIRC), and both cak and ddarch will be able to showcase them.

Metroid: Zero Mission

Any% Normal (0:50:00)
Low% Hard (1:45:00 i think)
100% Normal (1:30:00)

As jagger mentioned, all three categories are pretty significantly different. Although if we were to cut out a category, it'd probably be any% normal since it's somewhat similar to low% hard in terms of route.

Metroid Prime

Any% (1:30:00)
100% (1:50:00)

Both categories diverge a lot after arriving in phendrana, and showcase various different tricks. I think these estimates are reasonable for miles's standards?

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes

Any% (1:40:00)
100% (3:10:00)

The two categories are even more different than in Metroid Prime 1, and have almost nothing in common. Again, any% time estimate is reasonable for miles; I doubt he'll want to do 100%, so 3:10:00 is reasonable for me to do 100%.

Metroid Prime: Hunters

Any%

I know nothing about this game, if anyone can offer it :S

Metroid Prime: Pinball

Any%?

Again, IDK anything about this so meh.

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

100% (4:45:00)

I'd rather do 100% than any%, as it's a lot more interesting (At least compared with the REASONABLE any% route) and has quite a few small tricks for early expansions

Metroid 2

100% (1:20:00)

I think that's it. IIRC any% is very close to 100%, so might as well make it 100% ; plus emptyeye is most familiar with 100%

AM2R

100% of the current demo released

I think it's the main thing dragondarch runs, so yeah. It's just a demo game, so it shouldn't have more than one run.

Super Metroid

Any% (1:00:00)
100% (1:30:00)
RBO (1:40:00)

This should showcase super metroid pretty well. Low% Ice is also interesting, though I think only zoasty runs it and IIRC he's not the biggest fan of running it Tongue

Metroid: Other M

Any% (2:45:00)

Basically what JaggerG said. This game is kinda almost universally hated, so doing it once is enough. I guess 100% would be more interesting, but JaggerG said he doesn't know the route / hasn't learned the category in general yet :S Also, donation war to laugh at the terribad cutscenes!

Metroid Fusion

1% (1:30:00)
100% (1:50:00)

The problem with fusion is that no matter which category you do, majority of the gameplay is the same, so as much as I hate to say it, fusion probably should have only one run done. If there's space, two runs could be done (1% vs 100%) since they're relatively different, but still. Plus, fusion is the longest 2D metroid cuz adam =/

I could always showcase 200 missiles in Fusion though, it's very, very different from the standard full-game categories, lasts roughly an hour RTA, and it has quite a few neat tricks that are otherwise completely useless in a full-game run (like getting certain expansions really early)

Svenne, maybe you should probably compile all this in the first post? Tongue

EDIT: JaggerG I see You

Here's what I know about the categories, and what I think should be in for the most part (and why, to the best of my knowledge) (also I put down time estimates I think make sense, though if for your game, it doesn't, speak up!):

[b]Metroid 1[/b] (not sure what reasonable time estimates would be?)

Any% (2 bosses) (0:30:00)
100% (1:00:00)

both are pretty solid categories for the most part (they're different too IIRC), and both cak and ddarch will be able to showcase them.

[b]Metroid: Zero Mission[/b]

Any% Normal (0:50:00)
Low% Hard (1:45:00 i think)
100% Normal (1:30:00)

As jagger mentioned, all three categories are pretty significantly different. Although if we were to cut out a category, it'd probably be any% normal since it's somewhat similar to low% hard in terms of route.

[b]Metroid Prime[/b]

Any% (1:30:00)
100% (1:50:00)

Both categories diverge a lot after arriving in phendrana, and showcase various different tricks. I think these estimates are reasonable for miles's standards?

[b]Metroid Prime 2: Echoes[/b]

Any% (1:40:00)
100% (3:10:00)

The two categories are even more different than in Metroid Prime 1, and have almost nothing in common. Again, any% time estimate is reasonable for miles; I doubt he'll want to do 100%, so 3:10:00 is reasonable for me to do 100%.

[b]Metroid Prime: Hunters[/b]

Any%

I know nothing about this game, if anyone can offer it :S

[b]Metroid Prime: Pinball[/b]

Any%?

Again, IDK anything about this so meh.

[b]Metroid Prime 3: Corruption[/b]

100% (4:45:00)

I'd rather do 100% than any%, as it's a lot more interesting (At least compared with the REASONABLE any% route) and has quite a few small tricks for early expansions

[b]Metroid 2[/b]

100% (1:20:00)

I think that's it. IIRC any% is very close to 100%, so might as well make it 100% ; plus emptyeye is most familiar with 100%

[b]AM2R[/b]

100% of the current demo released

I think it's the main thing dragondarch runs, so yeah. It's just a demo game, so it shouldn't have more than one run.

[b]Super Metroid[/b]

Any% (1:00:00)
100% (1:30:00)
RBO (1:40:00)

This should showcase super metroid pretty well. Low% Ice is also interesting, though I think only zoasty runs it and IIRC he's not the biggest fan of running it :P

[b]Metroid: Other M[/b]

Any% (2:45:00)

Basically what JaggerG said. This game is kinda almost universally hated, so doing it once is enough. I guess 100% would be more interesting, but JaggerG said he doesn't know the route / hasn't learned the category in general yet :S Also, donation war to laugh at the terribad cutscenes!

[b]Metroid Fusion[/b]

1% (1:30:00)
100% (1:50:00)

The problem with fusion is that no matter which category you do, majority of the gameplay is the same, so as much as I hate to say it, fusion probably should have only one run done. If there's space, two runs could be done (1% vs 100%) since they're relatively different, but still. Plus, fusion is the longest 2D metroid cuz adam =/

I could always showcase 200 missiles in Fusion though, it's very, very different from the standard full-game categories, lasts roughly an hour RTA, and it has quite a few neat tricks that are otherwise completely useless in a full-game run (like getting certain expansions really early)

Svenne, maybe you should probably compile all this in the first post? :P

EDIT: JaggerG I see You

Emptyeye

2013-12-10 08:48:57 am

Talk to the Hand

Quote from kirbymastah:

Metroid 2

100% (1:20:00)

I think that's it. IIRC any% is very close to 100%, so might as well make it 100% ; plus emptyeye is most familiar with 100%

Being an online marathon, with setup and all, I'd probably be more comfortable with a 1:25:00 estimate. Other than that, yeah, this is pretty much right.

Svenne

2013-12-10 02:40:28 pm

Smörgåsbord

Actually, I think kottpower got the wr for low% on SM, but he took a break from SM and just today started running it again so he is back!

I updated the first page with the games/categories. I will keep updating it so we can see how much time each category takes!

zoast

2013-12-10 02:49:55 pm

Indeed, kott has the low% ice record. I like the category kirb, as a runner moreso than RBO, I just haven't felt like running it lately. It's a great category and there's at least a few SM players who think it's the best category aside from any%.

crexalbo

2013-12-11 04:00:30 am

You should have a low% Metroid Prime section, probably 23% because skipping Boost Ball and Space Jump is retarted hard.

I would speedrun Super Metroid, i got just above an hour back in the day and i bet i could bring it down to a sub-hour run by the time this thing kicks off. I could run Redesign as well, if that's in the mix.

Svenne

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Svenne: 2013-12-11 07:39:39 am

Svenne: 2013-12-11 07:38:15 am

2013-12-11 07:37:52 am

Smörgåsbord

Ok, I added SM low% to the categories.

@crexalbo: I have a really good overview of the SM community so if you are willing to put in the same effort those guys have done, then perhaps you can have a shot to run in this marathon but for now I will have to go with the most experienced (best) runners :3

But we are interested in all kinds of hacks, if you can provide a good run of Redesign, then for sure I will add you on that one! Cheesy

I donät know if someone is interested in running Low% Prime, I rather take quality over quantity for this marathon.

kirbymastah

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kirbymastah: 2013-12-11 09:20:30 am

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low% metroid prime is just bad, painful, and very unsafe for speedrunning, even 23% <_< also someone would actually have to offer it too.

Also svenne, need to change super metroid's low% to low% ice, there's a big difference Tongue

Dragondarch

2013-12-11 11:35:47 am

Pudding%

Estimate for 100% NES Metroid is fine, since it would include setup and possible "stuck in the wall" issues Tongue

Low% Hard is probably OK, but we'll have to see how I'm doing a bit closer to the marathon. Shouldn't change much if anything, though.

AM2R: If the public demo is only through area 2, then the estimate would be 30 minutes. If it's through area 3, I don't know since the current test version I have is a bit buggy so I can't get a good run on it right now.

cak

2013-12-13 04:22:39 am

twitch.tv/ccaakk

30 min for Metroid 2-boss sounds about right. I dunno what "setup" would consist of, since I've never done this before...if it's just introducing the run, then yeah an additional 5 min I guess. There aren't too many luck elements in 2-boss, so I could even see a sub-25 time happening.

Dragondarch

2013-12-13 02:25:35 pm

Pudding%

Quote from cak:

30 min for Metroid 2-boss sounds about right. I dunno what "setup" would consist of, since I've never done this before...if it's just introducing the run, then yeah an additional 5 min I guess. There aren't too many luck elements in 2-boss, so I could even see a sub-25 time happening.

Setup refers to the dead time in between runs, while the next runner is getting his stream going and making sure nothing exploded in the process. It also gives a bit of overall buffer to try and help the marathon stay on schedule.

Shiden

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Shiden: 2014-03-04 09:42:04 am

2013-12-13 02:27:14 pm

Not really sure why AM2R is listed as a "hack". It is a game built from scratch by DoctorM64. As for me running something I'd like to run Confrontation for this, since there is quite a bit of time between then and now that gives me much needed time to learn the in's and out's of Metroid techs. Of course I can't guarantee anything, as of right now anyways. (Look at my title here and get an idea!)

For anyone wondering Confrontation was originally created as simply a tech demo for AM2R, but the final version is its own small complete game with 25 pickups and 3 boss fights. It has a Time Attack mode that is purely speed run material. It's quite a nice little game in its own right. For donation incentives there are a few different mods that come with it that alter Samus' suit or can even look like the GB Metroid 2. I would be running it on Normal mode simply because that's all I have played really.

I tried Hard mode but holy crap, it changes all enemy placement, additional enemies and whatnot. It's very different. I'm comfortable with Normal mode for now. My best time for 100% is 18:19 but that's when I was actually playing it quite a bit. I'm going to be seeing what's required for low% to see if I can do that with confidence.

EDIT: Yeah I guess I just don't care quite enough to put any effort into speed running anything. Shame that nobody else picked up Confrontation though, it's a solid game.

Not really sure why AM2R is listed as a "hack". It is a game built from scratch by DoctorM64. As for me running something I'd like to run Confrontation for this, since there is quite a bit of time between then and now that gives me much needed time to learn the in's and out's of Metroid techs. Of course I can't guarantee anything, as of right now anyways. (Look at my title here and get an idea!)

For anyone wondering Confrontation was originally created as simply a tech demo for AM2R, but the final version is its own small complete game with 25 pickups and 3 boss fights. It has a Time Attack mode that is purely speed run material. It's quite a nice little game in its own right. For donation incentives there are a few different mods that come with it that alter Samus' suit or can even look like the GB Metroid 2. I would be running it on Normal mode simply because that's all I have played really.

I tried Hard mode but holy crap, it changes all enemy placement, additional enemies and whatnot. It's very different. I'm comfortable with Normal mode for now. My best time for 100% is 18:19 but that's when I was actually playing it quite a bit. I'm going to be seeing what's required for low% to see if I can do that with confidence.

EDIT: Yeah I guess I just don't care quite enough to put any effort into speed running anything. Shame that nobody else picked up Confrontation though, it's a solid game.

Svenne

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Svenne: 2013-12-14 12:49:20 am

2013-12-14 12:48:19 am

Smörgåsbord

A game made for scratch is more of a homebrew then? Smiley

Confrontation seems nice! Could you post a video of it so we can see what it is! Smiley

I updated the times, now both categories of Metroid (NES) and Metroid 2: Return of Samus includes set-up!

Shiden

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Shiden: 2013-12-14 01:04:32 am

2013-12-14 01:02:31 am

I would just simply call it a fan game. But homebrew is closer than hack. ;-)

http://www.twitch.tv/shiden86/c/3391113

I guess I actually streamed and saved my best time. Probably really sloppy still, I just don't practice enough.