Metal Gear Solid (Game broken by Magnum66/TheThrillness, check page 6)

2012-09-21 09:28:15 am

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Just found out how to skip the hind fight, did it on stream. You can leave the room and go back down the ladder. Sadly the hind is still there, you still can't use stinger, and the elevator is not useable. Sad

Still testing...

TheThrillness

2012-09-21 11:48:15 am

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So I streamed and found out some stuff.

If you beat Wolf 2 you are able to use the Stinger.

This means we now need to find a way to glitch to Wolf 2 but nothing looks glitchable. If we can glitch to Wolf the run can 100% be completed.

If anyone even knows a way to damage the hind without stinger, that could also fix our problems.

Magnum66

2012-09-21 04:36:22 pm

http://twitch.tv/Exisidis2

Video of new hind oob and ALMOST skipping the entire fight.

Youtube Description: Okay so you can't really skip the hind fight with this sadly, which is a shame as it took me all morning to figure out and would solve all our problems with the new torture room and oob and not being able to pick up the stinger because of missing out on Wolf 1's life upgrade after you beat her. If the hind was finished after you left and you came back and got life upgrade, the stinger would be useable and we could use the glitch and finish the run 100% and maybe go for sub 1 hour. Sadly this can't be done and is beginning to look hopeless now.

Also after you skip the hind fight and go downstairs the elevator is still broken as well so can't use that to get to wolf 2 either. Sad

Only way we can use the torture oob and use stinger is if we can find a way to damage the hind in the fight and beat it without the stinger. Then after the fight we would get the life upgrade from wolf and hind. Or find a way to glitch in the comm tower B stairs before the hind. We could fall to the bottom and do the 2nd wolf fight. After her you get all the life upgrades and can also use the stinger no problem.

Oh well. Sad

If anyone has any ideas or wants to help us glitch this and completely break the game and be able to use the torture skip (shown in my previous video) in a speedrun, please put them in the comments. Or if you want to help look for glitches for us in the comm tower B stairs, although it looks pretty bleak atm.

Video of new hind oob and ALMOST skipping the entire fight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-5rs3V51mo&feature=youtu.be

Youtube Description: Okay so you can't really skip the hind fight with this sadly, which is a shame as it took me all morning to figure out and would solve all our problems with the new torture room and oob and not being able to pick up the stinger because of missing out on Wolf 1's life upgrade after you beat her. If the hind was finished after you left and you came back and got life upgrade, the stinger would be useable and we could use the glitch and finish the run 100% and maybe go for sub 1 hour. Sadly this can't be done and is beginning to look hopeless now.

Also after you skip the hind fight and go downstairs the elevator is still broken as well so can't use that to get to wolf 2 either. :( Only way we can use the torture oob and use stinger is if we can find a way to damage the hind in the fight and beat it without the stinger. Then after the fight we would get the life upgrade from wolf and hind. Or find a way to glitch in the comm tower B stairs before the hind. We could fall to the bottom and do the 2nd wolf fight. After her you get all the life upgrades and can also use the stinger no problem.

Oh well. :(

If anyone has any ideas or wants to help us glitch this and completely break the game and be able to use the torture skip (shown in my previous video) in a speedrun, please put them in the comments. Or if you want to help look for glitches for us in the comm tower B stairs, although it looks pretty bleak atm.

Magnum66

2012-09-23 09:03:59 pm

http://twitch.tv/Exisidis2

New MGS1 Post Ocelot Speedrun Route

Description: Approximately 52 seconds faster than the old non glitch way. We now don't have to call Meryl at all and mash through the ridiculously long codec scene, nor do we have to wait for the 2nd codec or for her to open the door and dodge the sensors.

Smiley

Carcinogen

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Carcinogen: 2012-09-24 05:55:17 am

2012-09-24 05:50:20 am

You don't even have to beat Ocelot, do you? Why can't you just glitch directly to the tank? Unless there's no grenades available?

Edit: The way you go OoB could let you use the nikita since your Z-coordinate is adjusted. Give it a try!

TheThrillness

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2012-09-24 09:12:37 am

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Quote from Carcinogen:

You don't even have to beat Ocelot, do you? Why can't you just glitch directly to the tank? Unless there's no grenades available?

That was the original plan but the problem is the area is not yet loaded (the sensors and door to tank). It only loads after you beat Ocelot or we could have skipped Darpa, Cell fight and Ocelot and got grenades in the fight. We have literally thought of every time saver and this is the only one that does not impact the game and lets us complete it.

We now need to actually find a way to glitch into a wall or door without a vent. Honestly looks impossible right now but both me and Derrick agree that a week at the comm tower area without any further progress will be when we throw in the towel and just run with that method.

Magnum66

2012-09-30 08:28:30 pm

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Well guys, for those on here who actually care, tomorrow is the last day of trying to get past this problem with the stinger. Me and Greg have been trying for over 2 weeks or so now to fix the issue with the torture OOB not allowing us to pick up the stinger, and so far nothing. We found a ton of small stuff here and there, but nothing to actually let us use the stinger, skip the hind entirely, or glitch past comm tower to wolf 2 fight. We've exhausted all ideas and it seems pretty hopeless now. Tomorrow is it for us and just posting this in case someone can think of any final ideas.

The main issue is not getting the life upgrade from the wolf 1 fight because of the torture OOB. So the result of that is not being able to use the stinger. We go to pick it up but it's red and shows up in our weapons as red and 0/0 ammo.

Gonna be streaming final attempts to glitch past comm tower or figure out anything possible tomorrow on my stream here:

http://twitch.tv/exisidis2

Wish us luck or help in ANY way possible and give ANY ideas you can. Thanks.

Well guys, for those on here who actually care, tomorrow is the last day of trying to get past this problem with the stinger. Me and Greg have been trying for over 2 weeks or so now to fix the issue with the torture OOB not allowing us to pick up the stinger, and so far nothing. We found a ton of small stuff here and there, but nothing to actually let us use the stinger, skip the hind entirely, or glitch past comm tower to wolf 2 fight. We've exhausted all ideas and it seems pretty hopeless now. Tomorrow is it for us and just posting this in case someone can think of any final ideas.

The main issue is not getting the life upgrade from the wolf 1 fight because of the torture OOB. So the result of that is not being able to use the stinger. We go to pick it up but it's red and shows up in our weapons as red and 0/0 ammo.

Gonna be streaming final attempts to glitch past comm tower or figure out anything possible tomorrow on my stream here:

http://twitch.tv/exisidis2

Wish us luck or help in ANY way possible and give ANY ideas you can. Thanks.

Carcinogen

2012-09-30 10:20:41 pm

Kojima don't liek j00 sequence breakin' hiz game!

TheThrillness

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2012-10-15 08:46:05 pm

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It's not ever yet, Snake! We have a potential Nikita missile electrified floor and Gray Fox skip!

Okay the back story.

The stinger is looking impossible. So I decided to try walk through walls at different areas. I noticed that you could trigger the Meryll going to Mantis scene in the bathroom but you must satisfy what seems to be these conditions.

1. You must open the main hall door yourself for the cut scene trigger to load on the map. (guards going to toilet won't work but it shows the graphics)
2. You must pass through the girls bathroom door or at least be standing inside it.
3. Go to the usual place to activate the cut scene.

I got this to work:

The only thing stopping us is that you actually can't load the door in the corridor as you can't get back inside the map and only way to is walking to the commander room which is no door loading obviously and from there you can get inside the map but moment you use the card key, you get stuck in bounds. Sad

Get your thinking caps on!

It's not ever yet, Snake! We have a potential Nikita missile electrified floor and Gray Fox skip!

Okay the back story.

The stinger is looking impossible. So I decided to try walk through walls at different areas. I noticed that you could trigger the Meryll going to Mantis scene in the bathroom but you must satisfy what seems to be these conditions.

1. You must open the main hall door yourself for the cut scene trigger to load on the map. (guards going to toilet won't work but it shows the graphics)
2. You must pass through the girls bathroom door or at least be standing inside it.
3. Go to the usual place to activate the cut scene.

I got this to work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtbXuwzgCoE

The only thing stopping us is that you actually can't load the door in the corridor as you can't get back inside the map and only way to is walking to the commander room which is no door loading obviously and from there you can get inside the map but moment you use the card key, you get stuck in bounds. :(

Get your thinking caps on!

TheThrillness

2012-10-16 11:38:46 am

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OK I think I actually got it last night but blamed walk through walls but as you can see, the first time I load it I do not have walk through walls. This looks frame precise and depends how you throw the guard I think.

Magnum66

2012-10-16 03:32:52 pm

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Walk through walls was on sadly. You can see you throw the guard THROUGH the wall, which normally wouldn't be possible. Sad

DanE

2012-11-01 04:51:50 am

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Judging from the progress so far this looks to be a killer run on one of the best games ever! What's the status on this project as of now?

TheThrillness

2012-11-01 11:48:29 am

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Quote from DanE:

Judging from the progress so far this looks to be a killer run on one of the best games ever! What's the status on this project as of now?

This is pretty much impossible to answer. The solutions are there to save 25+ minutes or 3+ minutes. It's just a case of getting lucky enough to actually glitch like I did in nuke building. It took me literally 50 seconds to get on the desk and find that precise angle my very first time, that's insane luck. You just don't know what else could be found if you get the right circumstances.

TheThrillness

2012-11-20 02:09:50 pm

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Got something I need to try more. Could still be a potential clip past the elevator.

http://www.twitch.tv/thethrillness/b/341648143

The best one I got was here:

Magnum66

2012-11-20 03:08:29 pm

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I R LIKE DIS GUISE

Slade

2012-11-28 04:54:11 am

Have you tried to do the two skips together: first the torture room skip, then the women's bathroom skip. If we trigger the Meryl scene in the bathroom, maybe we can access the Mantis and Wolf 1 fight since Meryl would be with us. That would allow us to skip the guard fight, Ocelot, the Tank and the Ninja.

TheThrillness

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I tried that. The game simply removes the Meryll cut scene since it thinks you made progress past that part.

I actually should go back and look at that nuke building oob for a solution since it does work if you can load the main room. Just requires getting stuck in the wall like I originally did while trying to find torture cell glitch. The plan would be...

1. Beat raven.
2. Run to nikita room and grab weapon/ammo.
3. Glitch into the wall, follow the wall to the main card door and activate it.
4. Go back and follow the wall to bathroom area.
5. Slip inside the bathroom area and walk to the door and then to cut scene.

I'll upload a video if those text instructions were not clear.

Slade

2013-01-07 06:24:23 pm

We managed to skip the Wolf 2 fight: http://twitch.tv/mgslade/c/1822401
Magnum will add more videos and details soon.

Magnum66

2013-01-07 07:05:08 pm

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Well, we've done it again. After much more hard determination, we've broken the game even further. Just a few days ago I got back to trying to glitch the comm tower and rediscovered an old glitch Slade found awhile back. I found out how it was done and then started experimenting with it. I first rediscovered the glitch here:

http://www.twitch.tv/exisidis2/b/353733344 It happens at 50:30

Using this glitch your weapons become glitched and everything becomes the last weapon you held. The stinger and psg1 and everything will act as grenades if you glitched with grenades out. I then found out it could be used to freeze/crash the game and acted weird with cutscenes here:

http://www.twitch.tv/exisidis2/b/353953599 It happens at 1:19

So I figured it was because the cutscene was a damage trigger. So Slade mentioned testing it with wolf 1 cutscene and during the fight, as well as at wolf 2 fight. So stuff was tested and then today Slade tried doing glitch and walking with psg1 since glitch thinks every weapon is socom that he glitched with. So since game thought he had PSG1 out as well, he couldn't get damaged and you can walk RIGHT past the wolf damage trigger of her shooting you. In wolf 1 and 2 fight. You can skip the cutscene of the fight starting and otacon codec and run right up to wolf in the snowfield.

Unfortunately the door wouldn't open so you couldn't leave the fight. If you unglitched and damaged yourself then cutscene starts, wolf shoots you repeatedly next to blast furnace door, you can't get up and you die. So then we discussed starting fight, glitching with weapon glitch, and running up to her during fight. I tested this and... it worked. The cutscene for the end of the fight activated where Snake runs up to Wolf's body and you can skip the entire fight. I uploaded it here:

Also we can use it to glitch to wolf in the first fight as well. You can't skip the fight as far as we know anyways. You can run right up to her on the comm tower balcony though and glitch her and stuff which is hilarious. I show it in the video up top. You can even kill her with punches and kicks haha ^__^

Skipping the 2nd wolf fight now probably saves a good minute on a speedrun and ammo. Since we don't have to collect as much PSG1 ammo for the 2nd fight and don't need stinger ammo for that fight, we can probably cancel some ammo pickups now. I think Slade can now get a 1:37 on his big boss single segment run now and this game can be TAS'd in sub 1:30 Smiley

Also if we figure out the comm tower OOB eventually, that will be another half hour off and we will only have to fight Raven and Liquid ^__^ Exciting news for once guys! Hopefully more to come.

Also sorry for no audio on the clips, my capture device has a short in it.

Well, we've done it again. After much more hard determination, we've broken the game even further. Just a few days ago I got back to trying to glitch the comm tower and rediscovered an old glitch Slade found awhile back. I found out how it was done and then started experimenting with it. I first rediscovered the glitch here:

http://www.twitch.tv/exisidis2/b/353733344 It happens at 50:30

Using this glitch your weapons become glitched and everything becomes the last weapon you held. The stinger and psg1 and everything will act as grenades if you glitched with grenades out. I then found out it could be used to freeze/crash the game and acted weird with cutscenes here:

http://www.twitch.tv/exisidis2/b/353953599 It happens at 1:19

So I figured it was because the cutscene was a damage trigger. So Slade mentioned testing it with wolf 1 cutscene and during the fight, as well as at wolf 2 fight. So stuff was tested and then today Slade tried doing glitch and walking with psg1 since glitch thinks every weapon is socom that he  glitched with. So since game thought he had PSG1 out as well, he couldn't get damaged and you can walk RIGHT past the wolf damage trigger of her shooting you. In wolf 1 and 2 fight. You can skip the cutscene of the fight starting and otacon codec and run right up to wolf in the snowfield.

Unfortunately the door wouldn't open so you couldn't leave the fight. If you unglitched and damaged yourself then cutscene starts, wolf shoots you repeatedly next to blast furnace door, you can't get up and you die. So then we discussed starting fight, glitching with weapon glitch, and running up to her during fight. I tested this and... it worked. The cutscene for the end of the fight activated where Snake runs up to Wolf's body and you can skip the entire fight. I uploaded it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBQShydrjmo&feature=youtu.be

Also we can use it to glitch to wolf in the first fight as well. You can't skip the fight as far as we know anyways. You can run right up to her on the comm tower balcony though and glitch her and stuff which is hilarious. I show it in the video up top. You can even kill her with punches and kicks haha ^__^

Skipping the 2nd wolf fight now probably saves a good minute on a speedrun and ammo. Since we don't have to collect as much PSG1 ammo for the 2nd fight and don't need stinger ammo for that fight, we can probably cancel some ammo pickups now. I think Slade can now get a 1:37 on his big boss single segment run now and this game can be TAS'd in sub 1:30 :) Also if we figure out the comm tower OOB eventually, that will be another half hour off and we will only have to fight Raven and Liquid ^__^ Exciting news for once guys! Hopefully more to come.

Also sorry for no audio on the clips, my capture device has a short in it.

Magnum66

2013-01-08 09:40:52 am

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I'll upload the weapons glitch itself today and edit this post when I do. I'll also explain how I do the weapon glitch.

Anemptybox

2013-01-08 10:37:35 am

Another awesome find, great job guys! Funny how you can walk right up to Wolf now.

Magnum66

2013-01-08 12:12:41 pm

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Well I uploaded the weapon glitch and how to do it:

Since uploading that though I found any even more consistent way to do it and you only have to tap the l1 button once. When you press and hold triangle to get the weird FPV angle after explosion. As SOON as the camera hits the ground and any button makes you stand again, you press l1 at that EXACT moment, and it activates the glitch. It's precise, but not too hard. I got it like 5 times in a row just now.

Also I found this funny little discovery a few minutes ago with the weapons glitch. Apparently the wolves can't hurt you if you have it activated and I recorded some funny stuff:

http://www.twitch.tv/exisidis2/b/355211397#

Magnum66

2013-01-12 04:19:50 pm

http://twitch.tv/Exisidis2

I found another new Out Of Bounds glitch on the Comm Tower A Roof! Enjoy!

http://www.twitch.tv/exisidis2/b/356452664

Also this opens up a ton of other new possibilities since that glitch will work with any ledge/object that will push Snake forward when crouching now. Smiley

Magnum66

2013-01-12 09:15:18 pm

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I now have the Youtube video up!

A-M

2013-01-13 04:33:17 am

Great discoveries! Please continue destroying this game