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2013-07-17 01:38:44 pm

Single Segment time begun with the new game start and the loose of kurt control with the last boss death.

Single Segment time easy:
1- Zawj in 36:01 :
2- Fatzke in 36:58 : http://www.twitch.tv/fatzke/c/3964653
3- Spocky 39:52 : => SDA run

Multi-segment are timed level by level between the kurt control begin and the loose of it.
Multi-segment easy:
1- Kabuto: you can find them on his youtube channel here http://www.youtube.com/user/taskabuto2/videos time soon

If you have a timed run and wanted to be in this top you can post a message or send me a PM

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Kabuto

2013-07-17 03:34:04 pm

It's good to see someone trying a speedrun on this great classic game!

I guess you already know my MDK videos and game info file :-)

A few comments:

* Throwing items while jumping is faster (it doesn't pause you for 1/3 second). Disadvantage: you can easily throw multiple items at once (up to 3) as this way you throw 1 item every 30th second as long as the button is pressed.

* Level 1, OOB jump: if you miss it you don't need a warm-up run that long

* Door nukes: their door blast radius is bigger than their damage radius. Might be disastrous for a SS run though when the door is missed due to the additional wait time for the next nuke to appear, though.

* Level 2, sandbag arena: The OOB trick might be way to unreliable for single segment IIRC

* Level 2, mirror arena: sometimes the nuke appears quite early. Once it appeared way earlier than it did in my run (but I messed that segment up so I didn't keep that). Here this game is random like hell.

* Level 2, end boss: the insta-kill trick needs extreme precision (fire with machine gun, then there's a very narrow window where you can jump and spam grenades - too early and the temporary knockout will prevent you from dealing
enough machine gun damage, too late and the boss already disappeared before the grenades explode). Likely too difficult for single segment.

* Level 3, "airflow" area: all you need to destroy is the turret sitting above the stream

* Level 4, first ice arena: the item drops are also random. Make sure to have 6 sniper booms when you reach the boss.

* Level 4 boss: don't shoot the boss directly or the sniper booms will get attracted by the other enemies running around near the boss. AFAIK it's best to aim the one of the lower ends of your crosshair at the boss.

It's good to see someone trying a speedrun on this great classic game!

I guess you already know my MDK videos and game info file :-)

A few comments:

* Throwing items while jumping is faster (it doesn't pause you for 1/3 second). Disadvantage: you can easily throw multiple items at once (up to 3) as this way you throw 1 item every 30th second as long as the button is pressed.
  
* Level 1, OOB jump: if you miss it you don't need a warm-up run that long

* Door nukes: their door blast radius is bigger than their damage radius. Might be disastrous for a SS run though when the door is missed due to the additional wait time for the next nuke to appear, though.
  
* Level 2, sandbag arena: The OOB trick might be way to unreliable for single segment IIRC

* Level 2, mirror arena: sometimes the nuke appears quite early. Once it appeared way earlier than it did in my run (but I messed that segment up so I didn't keep that). Here this game is random like hell.

* Level 2, end boss: the insta-kill trick needs extreme precision (fire with machine gun, then there's a very narrow window where you can jump and spam grenades - too early and the temporary knockout will prevent you from dealing
  enough machine gun damage, too late and the boss already disappeared before the grenades explode). Likely too difficult for single segment.

* Level 3, "airflow" area: all you need to destroy is the turret sitting above the stream

* Level 4, first ice arena: the item drops are also random. Make sure to have 6 sniper booms when you reach the boss.

* Level 4 boss: don't shoot the boss directly or the sniper booms will get attracted by the other enemies running around near the boss. AFAIK it's best to aim the one of the lower ends of your crosshair at the boss.

Spocky

2013-07-18 01:58:21 am

Yes I know your run and work with it as information :).

I've also learn all trick know at this time.

1 OOB - I know but this is a try run so I made "as" if I come from the first room.

Door nukes - in some try I just mess the door to be closer of it to be faster so know I prefer to loose a few second :).

Sandbag arena - if you understand french when I try it, I say "don't try the OOB because I could loose too much time"

mirror arena - because of the random, I kill all ennemy. A random trigger make the nuke appears after a number of ennemy kill in fact.

End boss level 2 - I know this trick but as you can see at the begging, the game just decide to not give me the chain gun so problem and against him I make lot of mistake

airflow area - I don't see wich area you spoke about. I can't look at my video know so if you are able to give me the time on the video, it would be great Smiley

level 4 - I was a little bit tired in fact and also thinking to much to the previous level :/

You can follow my twitch for more mdk run Smiley

Yes I know your run and work with it as information :).

I've also learn all trick know at this time.

1 OOB - I know but this is a try run so I made "as" if I come from the first room.

Door nukes - in some try I just mess the door to be closer of it to be faster so know I prefer to loose a few second :).

Sandbag arena - if you understand french when I try it, I say "don't try the OOB because I could loose too much time"

mirror arena - because of the random, I kill all ennemy. A random trigger make the nuke appears after a number of ennemy kill in fact.

End boss level 2 - I know this trick but as you can see at the begging, the game just decide to not give me the chain gun so problem and against him I make lot of mistake

airflow area - I don't see wich area you spoke about. I can't look at my video know so if you are able to give me the time on the video, it would be great :)

level 4 - I was a little bit tired in fact and also thinking to much to the previous level :/

You can follow my twitch for more mdk run  :)

Kabuto

2013-07-18 02:21:28 am

"Airflow arena" - that name might be a bit stupid / misleading. I meant the area you reach at 24:00 in your vid.

Also, if you don't already know that doc: https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/MDK

Spocky

2013-07-18 04:14:14 am

Ok I've saw what you say.

I know it but I make really stupid struff here. At one moment I said I'm a fuc*ing idiot (in French) ^^

Your work on the segmented run are really helpfull for me thanks for it Wink

Spocky

2013-07-18 01:43:33 pm

Finish a new run: http://www.twitch.tv/spocky77/b/432376758

Dead at the end boss because I completly mess...

Approximative time I've kill it: 50 min

level 1: 6:05
level 2: 8:51
level 3: 9:23
level 4: 8:53
level 5: 11:15

Kabuto when you run mdk have you seen anything about a single segment? I've made some research and find anything.

Kabuto

2013-07-19 10:58:24 am

Yes. I talked to a guy who did a SS run but never published it, that's what got me into speedrunning this game. He also told me the trick for insta-killing the 1st level boss with sniper boom. But I neither have this video nor do I remember who he was :-( But besides that, your run might be already faster because you're already using way more tricks than he did.

ShadowWraith

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ShadowWraith: 2013-07-19 04:15:06 pm

2013-07-19 04:13:04 pm

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I verified (and rejected) his run. It didn't use straferunning at all. Sad

If I remember correctly, his name was qaylIS.

I also no longer have the video file. I'm not sure if we keep rejected runs either.

Spocky

2013-07-20 06:06:23 am

I use more trick and find a new one against the last boss :).

When you have to wait for nuke to destroy some point to save dog and have the "last weapon", just take the first nuke and use the air stream glitch (fly a little bit more when you're not in top of the air stream and go out of it) to go to the "last point" and dog is free with only one nuke:

http://www.twitch.tv/spocky77/b/433196034

Compare to the "classic way" (as Kabuto do in is speedrun) you can save around 50 sec if the trick is made at the real first time (so not as in my video ^^)

Kabuto

2013-07-20 12:27:25 pm

Nice find, Spocky. Didn't expect the end boss check to be that simple Cheesy

Spocky

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Spocky: 2013-07-20 01:32:03 pm

2013-07-20 01:29:36 pm

And so quick :). Just have to use the straferunning and the air stream glitch to go to the last block.

You can find good tricks on training in fact Cheesy

Tomorrow (for French Smiley

) I will make many try in my twitch page to finish the run completely and make a real SS time if someone want to follow Smiley

Spocky

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Spocky: 2013-07-21 12:03:23 pm

2013-07-21 06:31:27 am

finish my SS run: http://www.twitch.tv/spocky77/b/433682963

during the last level I press my Wsplit time button so I don't know exactly the time for the last level (in fact when should I stop the time? last input? Boss's death?) after watching the video I'll say 46.50.

In all case it's sub 50 pretty happy of it :). But I can do better (the two last level were very diffcult because I feel tired). So this one will not be submit to SDA, I will do better ;).

Whatever it's the world mark if I well understand so pretty happy but not totally. I need more practice Smiley

EDIT: youtube video to just have the run and not my face ^^:

Seems has the video ending bug. Sorry for this

Spocky

2013-07-27 05:33:33 am

Hello everyone.

Lot of my run end quick because of the "glass room" in level 2: (http://www.twitch.tv/spocky77/c/2643455 for exemple). I've to wait for nuke to appear. First I've think that I depend on the ennemy's number kill but at this run I've kill all of them and nothing appear.

Who can I know the trigger of the nuke's appear? The idea is to make the nuke appear quicker of course

Smiley

Kabuto

2013-07-27 02:57:22 pm

Spocky: did you search the whole room? Sometimes the nuke lands in one of the small gaps between the reflecting blocks.

Spocky

2013-07-28 03:11:42 am

No I don't because I've never seen that ^^. But even if I can have it, if it's after 5 min it's a run killer in SS. So I've to know how to know how the nuke can appeared quicker. Perhaps, I've to do some research with RAM inspection with emulator

Fatzke

2013-07-29 09:50:28 am

I'd love to give this game a shot but I can't seem to get it to work. I'm currently sitting on Windows 7 64-bit and managed to install it. But no compatibility mode would let it start. What are you guys using?

Spocky

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Spocky: 2013-07-29 01:31:51 pm

2013-07-29 11:43:13 am

I'm using the gog version. With a 64-bit system it's impossible to launch it even with compatibility mode. If you don't manage to make a speedrun of it, you can use a 32 OS on a virtual machine.

If you install the GOG version, to make a single segment you have to prefer the MDK_soft.exe. MDK3DFX is more beautifull but crash 60% of time in level 5 and the otherone (MDK.exe) have real FPS's problem.

If you manage to play it in speedrun version, I will be really happy to compete with you in the SS version Smiley

(edit: In a friendly way of course ;))

Fatzke

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Fatzke: 2013-07-29 04:18:46 pm

2013-07-29 04:18:19 pm

So does the GOG version work for the 64 bit OS as well? Just want to make sure that i look into the whole virtual machine thing before I buy it, even though I already own a version of back then. Smiley

Spocky

2013-07-29 10:53:17 pm

Yes. I'm using the GOG version with a windows 8 64bits ;). I repeat myself but if you manage to do a speedrun, you have to use the game without virtual machine Wink

Spocky

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Spocky: 2013-07-31 02:46:05 pm

2013-07-31 12:18:55 pm

Ok I've beat my WR 42"01.

Time after each level:

level 1: 5.45
level 2: 14.08
level 3: 21.11
level 4: 29.40
level 5: 36.55
level 6: 42.01

I've take the begging of the last boss explosion as final mark.

At this time you can see it on my twitch page: http://www.twitch.tv/spocky77/c/2668426

I will try to make a good video because I really love it and perhaps I will submit it. But I have some black screen during my run so I don't know if it is present on the recording.

Edit: I've just look the video of my run. I think I can be under 40". Some mistake and lose of time but some moment are realy good. Glass room which can be can be call reset room I think ^^, is pretty good. It's the major improvment of my run in fact. (timer as a bag configuration and compare each segment and not my pb on twitch run)

Spocky

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Spocky: 2013-08-07 02:19:50 pm

2013-08-07 02:19:27 pm

Sub 40 now : http://www.twitch.tv/spocky77/c/2709872

39:52 in total I'm really happy of it.

Level 1: 5:24
Level 2: 13:11
Level 3: 19:22
Level 4: 27:42
Level 5: 35:13
Level 6: 39:52

I've loose around 20 second and the 5th level because the game decide to make the ammo lower as possible.

So next step is sub 39:30 Smiley

Kabuto

2013-08-08 01:27:37 pm

Nice progress, Spocky. I just won't watch your runs right now due to lack of time. Did you solve the "mirror area" problems with the nuke appearing at unpredicable moments?

Spocky

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Spocky: 2013-08-08 03:03:16 pm

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2013-08-08 02:15:43 pm

No. The only things I can make is kill all the ennemy if the nuke don't appear quick because this can have an impact but most of the time is only luck. So make lot of try and wait for it.

Whatever your work on MDK help me a lot Wink

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I've also trained the OOB of the 2nd level to make the real jump and not enter on the door. It's kind a 90% succes rate so I'll use it on my run now

Spocky

2013-08-23 02:31:09 pm

After some try on level 2 I've notice that the order of falling object are the same when you save before enter the room. Even if your move are different or if you shoot some gun ammo. But the time between the fall and the position can change. But I noticed anything about the trigger who make this possible.

Whatever I didn't find which make the nuke appear first. I think it's kind like larry on super meat boy :/

So the only way is to try and try and try Smiley

Spocky

2013-08-31 11:40:32 pm

I've submit my 39:52 run and it need verification, if you want to make it you can: https://queue.speeddemosarchive.com/queue/verificationoffer/549/

At this time I've to take a break of this game. The random room is so unpretictable. So I'll make another one and come back time to time Smiley