McDonalds Speedrun

2008-05-28 10:56:45 am

I used to be athiest until I realized I was God.

Attempt 1 of a mcdonalds speedrun is finished:

I did not finish the run, as I had lost enough time during the red lights to warrant a retry.

Optimising the run could be done by parking facing the opposite way, and far better luck manipulation on the traffic lights. Also taking damage to save time would be nice, but I don't know how.

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Carcinogen

2008-05-28 12:01:02 pm

Usually, taking no damage is more impressive, but in this case I'm sure we can make an exception ;-p

MetzGER

2008-05-28 12:03:16 pm

If it aint broke don't fix it.

I would have some ideas in generall but most of them involve your car getting crashed (taking damage) and you ending up in jail...

So i guess without that it was pretty fast. Maybe you should do more segments...?

Siyko

2008-05-28 12:13:45 pm

I used to be athiest until I realized I was God.

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I would have some ideas in generall but most of them involve your car getting crashed (taking damage) and you ending up in jail...

So i guess without that it was pretty fast. Maybe you should do more segments...?

I'm still planning on doing a single segment run for this. I am not sure of a smooth place for a segment break.

I found a mcdonalds that might be closer, but there's often traffic. I will try that route next time.

MetzGER

2008-05-28 12:20:57 pm

If it aint broke don't fix it.

Maybe another weapon (bike) could save some secs with a more straight route.

But i guess in that case fraps would be very lagy... xD

Sorcerer88

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Sorcerer88: 2008-05-28 12:30:41 pm

2008-05-28 12:29:36 pm

I have no solution, but i admire the problem.

Do it like me, try running lawn mowing instead. Single segment is very possible, although you can't use gras tank warping that way. Planning isn't easy, i've figured out doing straight lains instead of running a spiral is far more effective, though. My record right now is the meteora album minus numb, but i know i can do better. Tried today, but there were some awful glitches ( just couldn't skip the dialog with Mrs. Mother ! ). I guess i'll try using octane instead of gasoline, although controls tend to get very buggy that way..

Let's found an initiative for more real life speedrunning!

TheVoid

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TheVoid: 2008-05-28 12:39:30 pm

2008-05-28 12:38:03 pm

You should do some more preparation though.

On the route to McDonalds place a lot of cameras along the way which record the traffic preferably for as good as the entire day to get the most optimised result and later analyse the videos and write down the license plates, cartype and the daytimes the cars are appearing, do this for a couple of months (Or as long as necessary).

Then compare the license plates/cars to get to know the "regular drivers" which could drive on a specific road at a specific daytime(s). Once you've figured those out, stalk them, to get to know their exact schedules of the days to know the exact times they're driving there. Then plan out the most optimised time of the day to drive away so that none of the "regular drivers" will get in your way (The other cars require a little luck manipulation).

Tampering with the stoplights would be considered cheating, so not an option.

You could get those alarm lights like the Police and Ambulances use (Together with the alarm sound, VERY important) and put that on your car. Turn it on when you start driving so that all the other cars will move to the side/stop. This could be considered hardware manipulation though, so unfortunately it's not an option either.

Placing roadblocks everywhere would also be considered cheating, so no...

There's an optimisation you could possibly do in the beginning. Run to your car the same way you did, but then push the car a little backwards before you get in (Until it's a bit on the road) to prevent other cars from passing you which would result in timeloss.
Even better, park your car the other way around to get away immediately.

When you got out of your apartment, you looked to the right and then went to the left. Lost about 1 second there.

Nice try for a first attempt though.

Wink

You should do some more preparation though.

On the route to McDonalds place a lot of cameras along the way which record the traffic preferably for as good as the entire day to get the most optimised result and later analyse the videos and write down the license plates, cartype and the daytimes the cars are appearing, do this for a couple of months (Or as long as necessary).

Then compare the license plates/cars to get to know the "regular drivers" which could drive on a specific road at a specific daytime(s). Once you've figured those out, stalk them, to get to know their exact schedules of the days to know the exact times they're driving there. Then plan out the most optimised time of the day to drive away so that none of the "regular drivers" will get in your way (The other cars require a little luck manipulation).

Tampering with the stoplights would be considered cheating, so not an option.

You could get those alarm lights like the Police and Ambulances use (Together with the alarm sound, VERY important) and put that on your car. Turn it on when you start driving so that all the other cars will move to the side/stop. This could be considered hardware manipulation though, so unfortunately it's not an option either.

Placing roadblocks everywhere would also be considered cheating, so no...

There's an optimisation you could possibly do in the beginning. Run to your car the same way you did, but then push the car a little backwards before you get in (Until it's a bit on the road) to prevent other cars from passing you which would result in timeloss.
Even better, park your car the other way around to get away immediately.

When you got out of your apartment, you looked to the right and then went to the left. Lost about 1 second there.

Nice try for a first attempt though.

;)

MetzGER

2008-05-28 12:48:43 pm

If it aint broke don't fix it.

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You should do some more preparation though.

On the route to McDonalds place a lot of cameras along the way which record the traffic preferably for as good as the entire day to get the most optimised result and later analyse the videos and write down the license plates, cartype and the daytimes the cars are appearing, do this for a couple of months (Or as long as necessary).

Then compare the license plates/cars to get to know the "regular drivers" which could drive on a specific road at a specific daytime(s). Once you've figured those out, stalk them, to get to know their exact schedules of the days to know the exact times they're driving there. Then plan out the most optimised time of the day to drive away so that none of the "regular drivers" will get in your way (The other cars require a little luck manipulation).

Tampering with the stoplights would be considered cheating, so not an option.

You could get those alarm lights like the Police and Ambulances use (Together with the alarm sound, VERY important) and put that on your car. Turn it on when you start driving so that all the other cars will move to the side/stop. This could be considered hardware manipulation though, so unfortunately it's not an option either.

Placing roadblocks everywhere would also be considered cheating, so no...

There's an optimisation you could possibly do in the beginning. Run to your car the same way you did, but then push the car a little backwards before you get in (Until it's a bit on the road) to prevent other cars from passing you which would result in timeloss.
Even better, park your car the other way around to get away immediately.

When you got out of your apartment, you looked to the right and then went to the left. Lost about 1 second there.

Nice try for a first attempt though.

Wink

This would obviously be the easy way but not the fast one.

To see a speedrun of true quality of this kind (without taking damage and without jail) you should check for "Getaway in Stockholm".

So the only thing you maybe would have to do is getting some upgrades for your weapon...

[quote]You should do some more preparation though.

On the route to McDonalds place a lot of cameras along the way which record the traffic preferably for as good as the entire day to get the most optimised result and later analyse the videos and write down the license plates, cartype and the daytimes the cars are appearing, do this for a couple of months (Or as long as necessary).

Then compare the license plates/cars to get to know the "regular drivers" which could drive on a specific road at a specific daytime(s). Once you've figured those out, stalk them, to get to know their exact schedules of the days to know the exact times they're driving there. Then plan out the most optimised time of the day to drive away so that none of the "regular drivers" will get in your way (The other cars require a little luck manipulation).

Tampering with the stoplights would be considered cheating, so not an option.

You could get those alarm lights like the Police and Ambulances use (Together with the alarm sound, VERY important) and put that on your car. Turn it on when you start driving so that all the other cars will move to the side/stop. This could be considered hardware manipulation though, so unfortunately it's not an option either.

Placing roadblocks everywhere would also be considered cheating, so no...

There's an optimisation you could possibly do in the beginning. Run to your car the same way you did, but then push the car a little backwards before you get in (Until it's a bit on the road) to prevent other cars from passing you which would result in timeloss.
Even better, park your car the other way around to get away immediately.

When you got out of your apartment, you looked to the right and then went to the left. Lost about 1 second there.

Nice try for a first attempt though.

;)[/quote]

This would obviously be the easy way but not the fast one.

To see a speedrun of true quality of this kind (without taking damage and without jail) you should check for "Getaway in Stockholm".

So the only thing you maybe would have to do is getting some upgrades for your weapon...

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2008-05-28 02:28:48 pm

See if user input can manipulate luck. Try jumping a few times just before you get in the car. See if that effects the red lights.

Backflips if possible.

Also you made a very basic mistake; remember lessons learned in Counter Strike. You should equip your knife when your running. You would get to your car much faster.

Carcinogen

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Carcinogen: 2008-05-28 04:06:04 pm

2008-05-28 04:03:20 pm

The "Ghost Rider" videos were awesome.

sunburstbasser

2008-05-28 08:42:27 pm

Silver Hawk!

Its usually quicker to strafe run, although it'll make the video a bit weird to watch. Strafe driving would apply as well.

JDHyatt

2008-05-28 08:53:25 pm

I'm the guy who complains yet never submits XD

should have done commentary like this guy

Darksol64

2008-05-28 09:34:18 pm

i don't think this makes for a very interesting speed run because you cannot optimize it without getting in trouble, and theres just overall way too many luck factors to put up with which might anger you and in turn hinder your performance and as a worst possibility end in a game over, since you are not given extra lives.

good try anyway Tongue

Croc-Doc

2008-05-28 10:10:10 pm

Hi

[ch8220]Ok, from here we star wipe to a glamour shot of Flanders paying his bills, then we star wipe to Flanders brushing his teeth ...[ch8221]

Manocheese

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Manocheese: 2008-05-28 10:32:21 pm

2008-05-28 10:32:05 pm

Yes, a cucco riding the ground.

Once you finish this segment, you may want to take a look at this FAQ. It's for KFC, but you may be able to use some of the strategies for the ordering segment.

Arrow

2008-05-28 11:04:24 pm

Now a hit show on the CW

Not bad for a first recorded attempt, but I wouldn't submit it to SDA yet. Like you said, there were a number of spots where you could have taken damage to save time. I'm not entirely convinced your route is optimal either, but I'd have to see a map of the level to be sure. A few other things to try: staring down while you move (might reduce lag), clipping through walls in the dorm, save warping (???). Otherwise, it's a good start; I look forward to the completed run.

PS: Star wipes are the best wipes Smiley

Freaky_Mutant_Man

2008-05-28 11:16:10 pm

This sentence is funny. Admit it, you laughed.

At the third red light, you might want to try getting out of the car and strafe-run the rest of the way. Attempting the rest with the car is too risky for an unassisted run. Leave that strategy to a TAS.

MetzGER

2008-05-29 12:19:07 am

If it aint broke don't fix it.

Is there a way to go OOB in the house segment?

Stupid

2008-05-29 12:19:33 am

defying gravity

How about buying an apartment right next to the Mc Donalds?

Sir VG

2008-05-29 02:23:59 am

Fucking Weeaboo

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How about buying an apartment right next to the Mc Donalds?

Cheat devices aren't allowed. Tongue

rinski the hero

2008-05-29 07:43:22 am

I learned to play piano from survival horror games

In terms of taking damage to save time, maybe you could manipulate an NPC into your room and have him/her shove you initially to quickly get yourself up to maximum velocity.

Also, is there a definite optimal method for payment? I'm guessing that counting out exact change beforehand, or en route is probably the way to go, although if the final tally ends up being something like 99 cents, it might take the cashier longer to count out your change than it would if you just handed them a dollar amount and received a penny from them.

By the way, I definitely like your strat of going at night as a means of reducing traffic, both on the road segment and during the final level, but on certain days you might hit a huge late night patch of drunk kids and stoners. That's definitely not optimal, since they could hinder your run time by commenting on your camera hat.

All this being said, there are going to be a lot of places where luck is going to play a huge factor. Traffic lights will obviously be hard to manipulate, and once you get to McDonald's, even a perfect run can get blown by a single burned-out worker.

In any case, good luck. I look forward to seeing how you do on your run.

In terms of taking damage to save time, maybe you could manipulate an NPC into your room and have him/her shove you initially to quickly get yourself up to maximum velocity.

Also, is there a definite optimal method for payment? I'm guessing that counting out exact change beforehand, or en route is probably the way to go, although if the final tally ends up being something like 99 cents, it might take the cashier longer to count out your change than it would if you just handed them a dollar amount and received a penny from them.

By the way, I definitely like your strat of going at night as a means of reducing traffic, both on the road segment and during the final level, but on certain days you might hit a huge late night patch of drunk kids and stoners. That's definitely not optimal, since they could hinder your run time by commenting on your camera hat.

All this being said, there are going to be a lot of places where luck is going to play a huge factor. Traffic lights will obviously be hard to manipulate, and once you get to McDonald's, even a perfect run can get blown by a single burned-out worker.

In any case, good luck. I look forward to seeing how you do on your run.

Siyko

2008-05-29 08:06:01 am

I used to be athiest until I realized I was God.

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Its usually quicker to strafe run, although it'll make the video a bit weird to watch. Strafe driving would apply as well.

Very good idea! I will work on my strafe driving

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i don't think this makes for a very interesting speed run because you cannot optimize it without getting in trouble, and theres just overall way too many luck factors to put up with which might anger you and in turn hinder your performance and as a worst possibility end in a game over, since you are not given extra lives.

good try anyway Tongue

I can deal with multiple attempts, so the luck doesn't bother me very much. I do still plan on playing relatively safe though - I'm sure people will come up with more optimizations!

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Once you finish this segment, you may want to take a look at this FAQ. It's for KFC, but you may be able to use some of the strategies for the ordering segment.

Nice FAQ - but McDonalds is much easier. "Two plain doublecheeseburgers, and thats it" is all I need. Two bucks and a dime - couldn't be easier (unless I don't order plain, but then I can't eat it :-X)

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Not bad for a first recorded attempt, but I wouldn't submit it to SDA yet. Like you said, there were a number of spots where you could have taken damage to save time. I'm not entirely convinced your route is optimal either, but I'd have to see a map of the level to be sure. A few other things to try: staring down while you move (might reduce lag), clipping through walls in the dorm, save warping (???). Otherwise, it's a good start; I look forward to the completed run.

PS: Star wipes are the best wipes Smiley

Yes, this definetly isn't a submission - it's a rather unlucky attempt. I have a route change planned for next time - far less lights, and less distance, but more enemies. I will have to see how much manipulation I can trigger. Usually if you swerve and honk, NPC's tend to freeze up, so I will work on that.

[quote]Its usually quicker to strafe run, although it'll make the video a bit weird to watch.  Strafe driving would apply as well.[/quote]

Very good idea! I will work on my strafe driving

[quote]i don't think this makes for a very interesting speed run because you cannot optimize it without getting in trouble, and theres just overall way too many luck factors to put up with which might anger you and in turn hinder your performance and as a worst possibility end in a game over, since you are not given extra lives.

good try anyway :P[/quote]

I can deal with multiple attempts, so the luck doesn't bother me very much. I do still plan on playing relatively safe though - I'm sure people will come up with more optimizations!

[quote]Once you finish this segment, you may want to take a look at [url=http://www.sirlin.net/kfc_combo_faq_v1.htm]this FAQ[/url]. It's for KFC, but you may be able to use some of the strategies for the ordering segment.[/quote]

Nice FAQ - but McDonalds is much easier. "Two plain doublecheeseburgers, and thats it" is all I need. Two bucks and a dime - couldn't be easier (unless I don't order plain, but then I can't eat it  :-X)

[quote]Not bad for a first recorded attempt, but I wouldn't submit it to SDA yet. Like you said, there were a number of spots where you could have taken damage to save time. I'm not entirely convinced your route is optimal either, but I'd have to see a map of the level to be sure. A few other things to try: staring down while you move (might reduce lag), clipping through walls in the dorm, save warping (???). Otherwise, it's a good start; I look forward to the completed run.

PS: Star wipes are the best wipes :)[/quote]

Yes, this definetly isn't a submission - it's a rather unlucky attempt. I have a route change planned for next time - far less lights, and less distance, but more enemies. I will have to see how much manipulation I can trigger. Usually if you swerve and honk, NPC's tend to freeze up, so I will work on that.

Siyko

2008-05-29 08:14:11 am

I used to be athiest until I realized I was God.

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At the third red light, you might want to try getting out of the car and strafe-run the rest of the way. Attempting the rest with the car is too risky for an unassisted run. Leave that strategy to a TAS.

I'm not convinced that will be faster than the drive-through, especially with the possible discussions regarding my camerahat inside the store. Anyone comments on it and I lose valuable time.

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Is there a way to go OOB in the house segment?

Unfortuantely no - there is a moat right outside the window to patch that exploit. The exit I use is definetly optimal.

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In terms of taking damage to save time, maybe you could manipulate an NPC into your room and have him/her shove you initially to quickly get yourself up to maximum velocity.

Also, is there a definite optimal method for payment? I'm guessing that counting out exact change beforehand, or en route is probably the way to go, although if the final tally ends up being something like 99 cents, it might take the cashier longer to count out your change than it would if you just handed them a dollar amount and received a penny from them.

By the way, I definitely like your strat of going at night as a means of reducing traffic, both on the road segment and during the final level, but on certain days you might hit a huge late night patch of drunk kids and stoners. That's definitely not optimal, since they could hinder your run time by commenting on your camera hat.

All this being said, there are going to be a lot of places where luck is going to play a huge factor. Traffic lights will obviously be hard to manipulate, and once you get to McDonald's, even a perfect run can get blown by a single burned-out worker.

In any case, good luck. I look forward to seeing how you do on your run.

I didn't think about damage boosting - but it's very hard to keep velocity while on foot - I think I'd lose most of that speed on the first or second hop. Velocity-retaining devices lare also heavily nerfed on carpet, so I'm not sure what I can do there.

Exact change is not an issue, the price will always be $2.10, and I make sure to have that. Besides, they start making the food before payment, so it's mostly irrelevant unless it takes longer than it does to prepare the food.

Stoners and drunks are largely irrelevant as long as I stay in the car.

Burned out workers are difficult - I encoutered one at a 5 AM run that would have killed any concept of speedrunning - if it becomes an issue, I will look into it.

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I just thought of a possible idea - if McDonalds would allow me to call in the food beforehand, it would save significant time. I would do this while driving to not circumvent the speedrun - I will look into this possibility.

[quote]At the third red light, you might want to try getting out of the car and strafe-run the rest of the way. Attempting the rest with the car is too risky for an unassisted run. Leave that strategy to a TAS.[/quote]

I'm not convinced that will be faster than the drive-through, especially with the possible discussions regarding my camerahat inside the store. Anyone comments on it and I lose valuable time.

[quote]Is there a way to go OOB in the house segment?[/quote]

Unfortuantely no - there is a moat right outside the window to patch that exploit. The exit I use is definetly optimal.

[quote]In terms of taking damage to save time, maybe you could manipulate an NPC into your room and have him/her shove you initially to quickly get yourself up to maximum velocity.

Also, is there a definite optimal method for payment? I'm guessing that counting out exact change beforehand, or en route is probably the way to go, although if the final tally ends up being something like 99 cents, it might take the cashier longer to count out your change than it would if you just handed them a dollar amount and received a penny from them.

By the way, I definitely like your strat of going at night as a means of reducing traffic, both on the road segment and during the final level, but on certain days you might hit a huge late night patch of drunk kids and stoners. That's definitely not optimal, since they could hinder your run time by commenting on your camera hat.

All this being said, there are going to be a lot of places where luck is going to play a huge factor. Traffic lights will obviously be hard to manipulate, and once you get to McDonald's, even a perfect run can get blown by a single burned-out worker.

In any case, good luck. I look forward to seeing how you do on your run.[/quote]

I didn't think about damage boosting - but it's very hard to keep velocity while on foot - I think I'd lose most of that speed on the first or second hop. Velocity-retaining devices lare also heavily nerfed on carpet, so I'm not sure what I can do there.

Exact change is not an issue, the price will always be $2.10, and I make sure to have that. Besides, they start making the food before payment, so it's mostly irrelevant unless it takes longer than it does to prepare the food.

Stoners and drunks are largely irrelevant as long as I stay in the car.

Burned out workers are difficult - I encoutered one at a 5 AM run that would have killed any concept of speedrunning - if it becomes an issue, I will look into it.

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I just thought of a possible idea - if McDonalds would allow me to call in the food beforehand, it would save significant time. I would do this while driving to not circumvent the speedrun - I will look into this possibility.

rinski the hero

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rinski the hero: 2008-05-29 08:55:16 am

2008-05-29 08:46:03 am

I learned to play piano from survival horror games

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Stoners and drunks are largely irrelevant as long as I stay in the car.

For some reason I didn't think you'd be going through the drive through. No idea why, since it's clearly the most optimal route.

In any case, stoners/drunks/old people/high school kids still pose a non-manipulatable threat. What if you wind up in line behind a car full of duders who order 10 different things for each of the 6 people crammed in the car, or who just make fart noises into the speaker for 2 minutes?

You might want to plan a counter, because otherwise this road block could ruin an attempt.

freefang

2008-05-29 11:57:55 am

8((.)7(.))3

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How about buying an apartment right next to the Mc Donalds?

Cheat devices aren't allowed. Tongue

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