Longest game to speedrun?

2005-08-11 09:58:29 pm

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I'm speaking out of my ass here (bad analogy) but wouldn't a Ragnarok run be long? Collecting everything or something...?

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-12 05:45:26 am

2005-08-12 04:40:39 am

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As we said, MMORPGS don't count because there is no real goal in the game. You can get weirdo goals in Ragnarok like beating MVPs but it's no real goal.

And btw. Ragnarok is an action rpg compared to Lineage 2. Class change quests that take you a few days to complete... :-[

Tub

2005-08-12 04:50:34 am

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If you maxed Gold Find I think that you may be able to get to 100k

oh, the limit is higher. "maxed" Gold Find is 2690%, but you'll have a hard time against the council on hell with that kind of char ^^

jimsfriend

2005-08-12 05:39:41 am

Like A Fox

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"maxed" Gold Find is 2690%

Does this include the Mercenary or does mercenary not add his gold find to yours like he does his magic find?

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MMORPGS don't count because there is no real goal in the game.

True, so I'm going back to Xcom: Terror From the Deep

spineshark

2005-08-12 06:04:28 am

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oh, the limit is higher. "maxed" Gold Find is 2690%, but you'll have a hard time against the council on hell with that kind of char ^^

HORK!

just have somebody else kill them and have good old Barbarian use 'Find Item.'

Plus GF seems to be exponential. 300% on Wealth is like 5x as much as 100% or something like that, or at least that's what I've seen.

Pweisger

2005-08-12 08:06:40 am

PwNzRd!

Diablo 2 is not an MMORPG. Completing all quests would take a bit of time, but I think it can be done in a few hours (though some of the quests are a pain in the ass that require you to go out of your way to complete them).

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-12 08:24:46 am

2005-08-12 08:24:06 am

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Diablo 2 is not an MMORPG. Completing all quests would take a bit of time, but I think it can be done in a few hours (though some of the quests are a pain in the ass that require you to go out of your way to complete them).

Noone said D2 would be one.
Certainly it is possible, but what isn't?
If you're going single segment, all quests, all difficulties, HC I'll watch the Nilathak part in hell Tongue

Phauxe

2005-08-12 08:24:49 am

And I'd watch the whole thing Wink

Tub

2005-08-12 02:09:54 pm

m00

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Plus GF seems to be exponential.

That's not true. Just linear. +100% EG = double gold, +200% EG = triple gold etc.

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Does this include the Mercenary or does mercenary not add his gold find to yours like he does his magic find?

that does not include the mercenary. Add 1180 Extragold for your a3 merc, but your merc has to do the killing if it shall count. 'find item' won't work then.

spineshark

2005-08-12 05:30:02 pm

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I believe that. IT just always looks like more.

Mkt2015

2005-08-13 12:45:07 pm

MGS for PS1 forever.

How long would it take to defeat D2 with all quests done considering that there are already <2 hour speedruns completed. Maybe an extra 2 hours?

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-13 01:41:15 pm

2005-08-13 01:40:39 pm

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Hard to estimate...

If you wait with the quests until you got teleport with the sorc, I'd say all of the act1 quests can be done in 5-10 minutes. The thing that takes longest is the Den of evil, because you have to clear it. Bloodraven, Cain, Countess and the Hammer are the time of getting there.

Act2 you only have to do sewers, because all the other quests are part of getting to Duriel, teleport to him, done.

Act3 is not much either, normally you get the Jade figurine from the first non super unique boss, so you already have it or make the run so you have it. Getting the scatsim (sp?) blade for the third quest is 20 seconds extra. Getting the book when you can teleport already should be less than a minute too.

Act4 gets harder. Izual takes a bit to kill and the Blacksmith can be a pain... additional 10-12 minutes at most.

Act5:
Shenk can be killed on the way. 1-2 minutes...
Soldiers can be done passing by.
Anya is a bit out of the way, and the boss before her is not to be sneezed at... 10 minutes maybe...
Nilathak will be hard so I assume another 10 minutes.

If you then opt out all the overhead, I'd think it will be something between 2:30 and 3:00.

Hard to estimate...

If you wait with the quests until you got teleport with the sorc, I'd say all of the act1 quests can be done in 5-10 minutes. The thing that takes longest is the Den of evil, because you have to clear it. Bloodraven, Cain, Countess and the Hammer are the time of getting there.

Act2 you only have to do sewers, because all the other quests are part of getting to Duriel, teleport to him, done.

Act3 is not much either, normally you get the Jade figurine from the first non super unique boss, so you already have it or make the run so you have it. Getting the scatsim (sp?) blade for the third quest is 20 seconds extra. Getting the book when you can teleport already should be less than a minute too.

Act4 gets harder. Izual takes a bit to kill and the Blacksmith can be a pain... additional 10-12 minutes at most.

Act5:
Shenk can be killed on the way. 1-2 minutes...
Soldiers can be done passing by.
Anya is a bit out of the way, and the boss before her is not to be sneezed at... 10 minutes maybe...
Nilathak will be hard so I assume another 10 minutes.

If you then opt out all the overhead, I'd think it will be something between 2:30 and 3:00.

Phauxe

2005-08-13 05:34:49 pm

Interesting plan... I'd like to see that Grin

Pweisger

2005-08-13 07:36:00 pm

PwNzRd!

Hell, if it can be done THAT fast it would be well worth watching.

Gorash

2005-08-13 08:19:06 pm

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Don't bet your money on it, my estimations have been grossly off before. My initial idea of a D2 any% was three and a half hours to boot.

scaryice

2005-08-14 03:20:03 am

I don't think mmorpg's and 100% runs should be counted in this topic. Just what's the longest game to actually finish.

Phauxe

2005-08-14 08:11:06 am

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Don't bet your money on it, my estimations have been grossly off before. My initial idea of a D2 any% was three and a half hours to boot.

Let's hope you estimated high again Grin

MasterInsan0

2005-08-14 08:26:52 pm

I love default messages!

I'm surprised no one has mentioned Baldur's Gate 2. Imagine a BG2 100% run ;D. It would be somewhere around 100 hours long and insanely huge, like 30 GB or something for the normal quality. I would download it ;).

A normal BG2 run might actually be SDA material, though. I imagine it could be done within the bounds of sanity -- er, I mean, 4-5 hours. Hmm...in fact, thinking about it, I might even try.

StuporMan

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StuporMan: 2005-08-15 03:10:37 pm

2005-08-15 02:44:44 pm

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Act4 gets harder. Izual takes a bit to kill and the Blacksmith can be a pain... additional 10-12 minutes at most.

Act5:
Shenk can be killed on the way. 1-2 minutes...
Soldiers can be done passing by.
Anya is a bit out of the way, and the boss before her is not to be sneezed at... 10 minutes maybe...
Nilathak will be hard so I assume another 10 minutes.

If you then opt out all the overhead, I'd think it will be something between 2:30 and 3:00.

I believe you are a tad bit high on these estimates.
Act 4:
Izual may take a while for a melee characters, but not too long (on normal) with a sorceress. I believe he was killed in the Sorceress speed run. As a plus, he is generally found along the way. The hammer may be a bit longer than Izual, since it is around 30 seconds (on average) out of the way, but he can be killed much more quickly than Izual. A plus is that you do not have to be carrying Mephisto's soulstone to destroy it, it can remain safely in your stash. You may have to id the hammer though, I do not remember if they changed this in 1.10 or not.

I would say this means 2-3 minutes to complete both of these quests.

Act 5: Shenk will fall in less than 30 seconds. Waypoint, teleport back, kill him. Not long at all, quest can be finalized on one of many trips to town for mana potions.

Anya is indeed out of the way, but the monsters on her level are all spread out and are easy to skip using teleport. If you are lucky in how the boss and his pack are arranged you do not even have to kill them. Merely teleport over talk to anya, TP back to town, get potion, tp back, talk to anya, TP back out. If you are not lucky, you can park him and then do the same. Again, since it is out of the way it will take a 2-5 minutes depending on level arrangement.

Nilathak is definitely the hardest of all quests to complete, but he is not quite as scary on normal. Likewise, you can essentially skip all of the levels on the way down to him but the last one. You may even be able to kill him without killing any of his minions (which is ideal as it removes his only really dangerous attack). If not, you may have to clear the area around him so you do not get any nasty surprises. 2-6 minutes depending on whether Nilathak

I believe your others are fairly close to accurate. Note, I assume you do all of these quests just before you go to kill Baal.

EDIT: I mean I assume you do all the ones that are not already on the way just before killing Baal.

Cheers,
StuporMan

[quote] Act4 gets harder. Izual takes a bit to kill and the Blacksmith can be a pain... additional 10-12 minutes at most.
 
Act5:
Shenk can be killed on the way. 1-2 minutes...
Soldiers can be done passing by.
Anya is a bit out of the way, and the boss before her is not to be sneezed at... 10 minutes maybe...
Nilathak will be hard so I assume another 10 minutes.
 
If you then opt out all the overhead, I'd think it will be something between 2:30 and 3:00.  [/quote]

I believe you are a tad bit high on these estimates.  
Act 4:
Izual may take a while for a melee characters, but not too long (on normal) with a sorceress.  I believe he was killed in the Sorceress speed run. As a plus, he is generally found along the way.  The hammer may be a bit longer than Izual, since it is around 30 seconds (on average) out of the way, but he can be killed much more quickly than Izual.  A plus is that you do not have to be carrying Mephisto's soulstone to destroy it, it can remain safely in your stash.  You may have to id the hammer though,  I do not remember if they changed this in 1.10 or not.

I would say this means 2-3 minutes to complete both of these quests.

Act 5: Shenk will fall in less than 30 seconds.  Waypoint, teleport back, kill him.  Not long at all, quest can be finalized on one of many trips to town for mana potions.

Anya is indeed out of the way, but the monsters on her level are all spread out and are easy to skip using teleport.  If you are lucky in how the boss and his pack are arranged you do not even have to kill them.  Merely teleport over talk to anya, TP back to town, get potion, tp back, talk to anya, TP back out.  If you are not lucky, you can park him and then do the same. Again, since it is out of the way it will take a 2-5 minutes depending on level arrangement.

Nilathak is definitely the hardest of all quests to complete, but he is not quite as scary on normal.  Likewise, you can essentially skip all of the levels on the way down to him but the last one.  You may even be able to kill him without killing any of his minions (which is ideal as it removes his only really dangerous attack).  If not, you may have to clear the area around him so you do not get any nasty surprises.  2-6 minutes depending on whether Nilathak

I believe your others are fairly close to accurate.  Note, I assume you do all of these quests just before you go to kill Baal.

EDIT:  I mean I assume you do all the ones that are not already on the way just before killing Baal.

Cheers,
StuporMan

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-08-15 04:23:54 pm

2005-08-15 04:19:48 pm

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I believe you are a tad bit high on these estimates.
Act 4:
Izual may take a while for a melee characters, but not too long (on normal) with a sorceress. I believe he was killed in the Sorceress speed run. As a plus, he is generally found along the way. The hammer may be a bit longer than Izual, since it is around 30 seconds (on average) out of the way, but he can be killed much more quickly than Izual. A plus is that you do not have to be carrying Mephisto's soulstone to destroy it, it can remain safely in your stash. You may have to id the hammer though, I do not remember if they changed this in 1.10 or not.

The time estimation comes more from the sheer mass of fiends near the forge. If you just boldly teleport into it you'll get fried, a problem that doesn't arise when you just port through the river to get to Diablo.

And quest items are found identified since a while... I believe it was changed from 1.09 -> 1.10.

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Act 5: Shenk will fall in less than 30 seconds. Waypoint, teleport back, kill him. Not long at all, quest can be finalized on one of many trips to town for mana potions.

Since you have to get through there anyway you can kill him on your way. I admit it's quickly possible, but I'll never make assumptions based on seconds since this game can throw you off by minutes easily due to randomness.

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Anya is indeed out of the way, but the monsters on her level are all spread out and are easy to skip using teleport. If you are lucky in how the boss and his pack are arranged you do not even have to kill them. Merely teleport over talk to anya, TP back to town, get potion, tp back, talk to anya, TP back out. If you are not lucky, you can park him and then do the same. Again, since it is out of the way it will take a 2-5 minutes depending on level arrangement.

Sounds resonable.
I didn't check this but it also may be possible to sacrifice a mercenary to quickly talk to Anya.

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Nilathak is definitely the hardest of all quests to complete, but he is not quite as scary on normal. Likewise, you can essentially skip all of the levels on the way down to him but the last one. You may even be able to kill him without killing any of his minions (which is ideal as it removes his only really dangerous attack). If not, you may have to clear the area around him so you do not get any nasty surprises. 2-6 minutes depending on whether Nilathak

My point here is that you can't get in close to static him. And also wether or not your main spell pierces (lightning vs charged bolt vs fire ball) will affect the time of this quest most.

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I believe your others are fairly close to accurate. Note, I assume you do all of these quests just before you go to kill Baal.

Nope, I'd take the detour once I've reached lv18 or 19, to grab a bit of exp from questing. This will be in the latter half of act3 I presume. So one could end the act3 segment after getting to the wp travincal and then do the questing and mephisto in an additional segment. The rest can be done on the way, and Nilathak can be shoved in as an extra segment after the ancients.

We should continue this in the PC Games section... if you answer there in the Diablo2 Druid thread I'll find it.

[quote]I believe you are a tad bit high on these estimates.  
Act 4:
Izual may take a while for a melee characters, but not too long (on normal) with a sorceress.  I believe he was killed in the Sorceress speed run. As a plus, he is generally found along the way.  The hammer may be a bit longer than Izual, since it is around 30 seconds (on average) out of the way, but he can be killed much more quickly than Izual.  A plus is that you do not have to be carrying Mephisto's soulstone to destroy it, it can remain safely in your stash.  You may have to id the hammer though,  I do not remember if they changed this in 1.10 or not.[/quote]

The time estimation comes more from the sheer mass of fiends near the forge. If you just boldly teleport into it you'll get fried, a problem that doesn't arise when  you just port through the river to get to Diablo.

And quest items are found identified since a while... I believe it was changed from 1.09 -> 1.10.

[quote]Act 5: Shenk will fall in less than 30 seconds.  Waypoint, teleport back, kill him.  Not long at all, quest can be finalized on one of many trips to town for mana potions.[/quote]

Since you have to get through there anyway you can kill him on your way. I admit it's quickly possible, but I'll never make assumptions based on seconds since this game can throw you off by minutes easily due to randomness.

[quote]Anya is indeed out of the way, but the monsters on her level are all spread out and are easy to skip using teleport.  If you are lucky in how the boss and his pack are arranged you do not even have to kill them.  Merely teleport over talk to anya, TP back to town, get potion, tp back, talk to anya, TP back out.  If you are not lucky, you can park him and then do the same. Again, since it is out of the way it will take a 2-5 minutes depending on level arrangement.[/quote]

Sounds resonable.
I didn't check this but it also may be possible to sacrifice a mercenary to quickly talk to Anya.

[quote]Nilathak is definitely the hardest of all quests to complete, but he is not quite as scary on normal.  Likewise, you can essentially skip all of the levels on the way down to him but the last one.  You may even be able to kill him without killing any of his minions (which is ideal as it removes his only really dangerous attack).  If not, you may have to clear the area around him so you do not get any nasty surprises.  2-6 minutes depending on whether Nilathak[/quote]

My point here is that you can't get in close to static him. And also wether or not your main spell pierces (lightning vs charged bolt vs fire ball) will affect the time of this quest most.

[quote]I believe your others are fairly close to accurate.  Note, I assume you do all of these quests just before you go to kill Baal.[/quote]

Nope, I'd take the detour once I've reached lv18 or 19, to grab a bit of exp from questing. This will be in the latter half of act3 I presume. So one could end the act3 segment after getting to the wp travincal and then do the questing and mephisto in an additional segment. The rest can be done on the way, and Nilathak can be shoved in as an extra segment after the ancients.

We should continue this in the PC Games section... if you answer there in the Diablo2 Druid thread I'll find it.

andrewg

2005-08-15 08:26:56 pm

Hi! I'm andrewg!

looking back on which games took me the longest to beat, i would say the longest speedrun for a game would most likely be for DK64

tibiaking

2005-08-17 06:57:41 pm

ToS. Definately ToS. No skippable cutscenes, and you have to level up to be able to normally beat the game.

pyurrhia

2005-08-20 03:19:36 pm

like cranky kong, but not as nice

two words: 100% shadowman

Flashy

2005-08-20 04:17:11 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Prolly a Turn-based strategy game like age of wonders 2, I took so long to finished the first level lol. but then again I don't know how long games with random events are like FF.

seiken

2005-08-26 01:06:27 am

Secret of Mana

Without any doubts for me, the impossible quest :

The longest 100 %

Tales of Symphonia, i think it takes more 100 hours even in a speed run, because you must restart the game at least 3 times for to have all the titles, correct me if i'm wrong Huh?

You must aslo to have all the items ( of the 2 categories ) of the monsters Shocked

The longest no 100 %

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