Jackal NES low-% & any-% discussion

2009-10-21 04:18:01 pm

Master-88

Quote from Breakdown:

If you're going to actively pursue a powered up run you really should set your sights higher than my youtube run. If I'd have done it on console I probably wouldn't have submitted it because I think at least a good 15 seconds can come off of it realistically, probably more than that. I had a couple really bad boss fights in that run and there's better lag control to be had in the levels. Sub 8:40 sounds like a good goal to me. I'm pretty sure I spelled out most of what I know in my first post in this thread, so you can refer there for specifics.

Also, don't do the death abuse thing on the 4th boss, you can one round him without it (you can see how to almost do it in my vid, you just need to ride him a little closer when you go around the front). Death abuse is a tiny bit faster there, but you lose that time and more powering back up and to lag, especially in early stage 6. You should definitely be aiming for a deathless run.

Well. This look game has hardcore stanard even there is no run already up. I wanted say best power up 1player TAS is 8.25. Yeah it sounds it is possible but only theoretical.

Why first speedrun in the site must be perfect gameplay? I can,t totally understand it. I want mention Contra first run was somewhere 11.20 and current run is one minutes better. As far as i can tell Ninja gaiden first run is minutes slower than current one and SMB 2 run too.

I agree high stanard. And i am submited my low-% gameplay which was 9.25. I don,t like if run like this take reject because it is overall very well done, but yeah it is way got sligtly faster, but it is very hard got extremely luck run. I think 9.25 on low-% are good enought gameplay because there is no any run up already.

But i think i´ll stoped attempt power up run if i not are allowed submit it before i got 8.40 or under. Thats is pure crazy goal Shocked

I think i´ll post my runs in twingalaxie if SDA not want take any my run. As far as i can tell i easily beat every TG records without big troubles.

Let see what happen my low-% run. At least this is in verifications and as far as i can tell there is several more worse Nes games runs up into site than this. But i can,t still sure is this accepted.

[quote="Breakdown"]
If you're going to actively pursue a powered up run you really should set your sights higher than my youtube run.  If I'd have done it on console I probably wouldn't have submitted it because I think at least a good 15 seconds can come off of it realistically, probably more than that.  I had a couple really bad boss fights in that run and there's better lag control to be had in the levels.  Sub 8:40 sounds like a good goal to me.  I'm pretty sure I spelled out most of what I know in my first post in this thread, so you can refer there for specifics.

Also, don't do the death abuse thing on the 4th boss, you can one round him without it (you can see how to almost do it in my vid, you just need to ride him a little closer when you go around the front).  Death abuse is a tiny bit faster there, but you lose that time and more powering back up and to lag, especially in early stage 6.  You should definitely be aiming for a deathless run.
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Well. This look game has hardcore stanard even there is no run already up. I wanted say best power up 1player TAS is 8.25. Yeah it sounds it is possible but only theoretical.

Why first speedrun in the site must be perfect gameplay? I can,t totally understand it. I want mention Contra first run was somewhere 11.20 and current run is one minutes better. As far as i can tell Ninja gaiden first run is minutes slower than current one and SMB 2 run too.

I agree high stanard. And i am submited my low-% gameplay which was 9.25. I don,t like if run like this take reject because it is overall very well done, but yeah it is way got sligtly faster, but it is very hard got extremely luck run. I think 9.25 on low-% are good enought gameplay because there is no any run up already.

But i think i´ll stoped attempt power up run if i not are allowed submit it before i got 8.40 or under. Thats is pure crazy goal :o

I think i´ll post my runs in twingalaxie if SDA not want take any my run. As far as i can tell i easily beat every TG records without big troubles.

Let see what happen my low-% run. At least this is in verifications and as far as i can tell there is several more worse Nes games runs up into site than this. But i can,t still sure is this accepted.

Breakdown

2009-10-21 04:43:05 pm

Haters gonna hate

I wouldn't say the first submission has to be perfect, but it should be solid. Honestly, I really don't think 8:40 is too lofty a goal with the strats that are out there. It would be a very good time, but far from unbeatable. The TAS actually clocks in at around 7:15 by SDA timing thanks to some truly absurd boss fights and lag control that is in no way possible in realtime, so to cite a goal over a minute slower than that really doesn't seem too bad.

Really, just keep at it. With the pace you're on you'll match or beat my run soon enough and I'm sure at that point you won't think what you've got recorded is at all "like TAS." Smiley

Just keep plugging away until you've got a run you're genuinely happy with. The time that corresponds with it might just surprise you.

MASTER-88

Edit history:

MASTER-88: 2009-10-22 12:51:15 pm

2009-10-22 12:46:03 pm

Master-88

I got 9.07 (grenades only)

This one is 18 seconds faster than my submited run. Im not going submit this before previous submission is done and i as well keep try redo that little bit if i can. But it is hard make that done better.

There is not much differences about gameplay my 9.25 run. I make one more death (3-deaths total)

1-Fucking flash soldier in level 3.
2-Intention against helicopter
3-Again death against Huge tank

I automatically reject my run if i make more than 3 deaths caring how fast my time is. 3-deaths is totally max and 1-death is minium what i´ll allow my run. I want make my gameplay look cool enought even category is with deaths

As far as i can tell this 18 seconds faster run not includes much news compared my submited run. I just make better lag controlls especially against Fortress fight.
I find 1-seconds better strategy against level 2 boss, but this one is very minor.

Last time i say 9.10-9.15 is really good grenade run. I got beat it. I think i would say sub 9 is barely possible. Maded even more better final boss fights than here and fix some mnior errors in levels and got luck make better lag controlls than here.

This beat my power up run by 2 seconds too. Wink

I got 9.07 (grenades only)

This one is 18 seconds faster than my submited run. Im not going submit this before previous submission is done and i as well keep try redo that little bit if i can. But it is hard make that done better.

There is not much differences about gameplay my 9.25 run. I make one more death (3-deaths total)

1-Fucking flash soldier in level 3.
2-Intention against helicopter
3-Again death against Huge tank

I automatically reject my run if i make more than 3 deaths caring how fast my time is. 3-deaths is totally max and 1-death is minium what i´ll allow my run.  I want make my gameplay look cool enought even category is with deaths

As far as i can tell this 18 seconds faster run not includes much news compared my submited run. I just make better lag controlls especially against Fortress fight. 
I find 1-seconds better strategy against level 2 boss, but this one is very minor.

Last time i say 9.10-9.15 is really good grenade run. I got beat it. I think i would say sub 9 is barely possible. Maded even more better final boss fights than here and fix some mnior errors in levels and got luck make better lag controlls than here.

This beat my power up run by 2 seconds too. ;)

Aftermath

2009-10-22 01:50:04 pm

Quits halfway

Quote from feasel:

Wow. Way to best yourself again and again.

Keep it up.

(At this rate, your time will be sub-zero in just a few weeks Grin

)

Sums up my thoughts. I'll be looking forward to watching this and seeing what your final time ends up being.

MASTER-88

2009-10-22 03:30:46 pm

Master-88

Quote from Aftermath:

Quote from feasel:

Wow. Way to best yourself again and again.

Keep it up.

(At this rate, your time will be sub-zero in just a few weeks Grin

)

Sums up my thoughts. I'll be looking forward to watching this and seeing what your final time ends up being.

Depend just a lot how fast i can got last bosses down. I just are fuck some very good attempts in last bosses. My 9.25 submited run was great run but fortress fight has some bad tank locations and this make lags and these lags make me lost tons time.

9.07 was my best run, because Huge tank was awesome and fortress some 10 seconds faster than 9.25 run. Still fortress fight not was too great at all, but i avoid lags quite well.

I just got 9.15 which was maybe my best looking run, but Huge tank cooperatings totally wrong and this make me lost good 10 seconds.

I find way beat level 3 boss 2 seconds faster than normally. I didn,t already know it can working with grenades too but this one requires very good timings and some luck. It is as well minor time save but look just cool.

I think if i got extremely lucky i can got very high 8 minutes with grenades only.
But yeah 9.07 is very hard to beat, but i try keep tryings and got luck make it.

I still hope verifers will accept my 9.25 run. This make me relax little bit and 9.25 was as well good run expect last bosses.

[quote="Aftermath"]
[quote="feasel"]
Wow.  Way to best yourself again and again.

Keep it up.

(At this rate, your time will be sub-zero in just a few weeks  ;D )
[/quote]

Sums up my thoughts. I'll be looking forward to watching this and seeing what your final time ends up being.
[/quote]

Depend just a lot how fast i can got last bosses down. I just are fuck some very good attempts in last bosses. My 9.25 submited run was great run but fortress fight has some bad tank locations and this make lags and these lags make me lost tons time.

9.07 was my best run, because Huge tank was awesome and fortress some 10 seconds faster than 9.25 run. Still fortress fight not was too great at all, but i avoid lags quite well.

I just got 9.15 which was maybe my best looking run, but Huge tank cooperatings totally wrong and this make me lost good 10 seconds.

I find way beat level 3 boss 2 seconds faster than normally. I didn,t already know it can working with grenades too but this one requires very good timings and some luck. It is as well minor time save but look just cool.

I think if i got extremely lucky i can got very high 8 minutes with grenades only. 
But yeah 9.07 is very hard to beat, but i try keep tryings and got luck make it.

I still hope verifers will accept my 9.25 run. This make me relax little bit and 9.25 was as well good run expect last bosses.

ZenicReverie

2009-10-22 04:23:10 pm

Waiting hurts my soul...

Quote from MASTER-88:

I got 9.07 (grenades only)

This beat my power up run by 2 seconds too. Wink

I find this part funny. Keep at it. You're definitely building up skill so when you do a fully powered up run, I think you'll be able to beat 8:40 easy.

MASTER-88

2009-10-23 04:58:00 am

Master-88

Quote from ZenicReverie:

Quote from MASTER-88:

I got 9.07 (grenades only)

This beat my power up run by 2 seconds too. Wink

I find this part funny. Keep at it. You're definitely building up skill so when you do a fully powered up run, I think you'll be able to beat 8:40 easy.

Heh heh guys. I am very glad you give me motivations Cheesy

I see grenade run not are popular than power up run. But i am just much better with grenades only. I´ll think even my 9.25 take accept (i hope it take), i´ll still try reach under 9 minutes 3 deaths or less. So i´ll not going try power up run soon i think. 8.40 power up run drive me crazy right now. Grin

I am spending some 15 hours total played that game on my console. I already have very good stanard. But it is funny there still always lot rooms improvement. Especially these last bosses not never went perfectly.

2-player TAS beat huge tank in 7 seconds. My best grende fight my 9.07 run is somewhere 30 seconds which was really good fight with 1 jeep only. I think if huge tank cooperated middle of the room with hold fight i can got this done in 20 seconds which like lot 1player TAS i think

Annoying there is not 1 player TAS run up. And 2player TAS not are realistic compared 1 player console run.

[quote="ZenicReverie"]
[quote="MASTER-88"]
I got 9.07 (grenades only)

This beat my power up run by 2 seconds too. ;)
[/quote]

I find this part funny. Keep at it. You're definitely building up skill so when you do a fully powered up run, I think you'll be able to beat 8:40 easy.
[/quote]

Heh heh guys. I am very glad you give me motivations :D
I see grenade run not are popular than power up run. But i am just much better with grenades only. I´ll think even my 9.25 take accept (i hope it take), i´ll still try reach under 9 minutes 3 deaths or less. So i´ll not going try power up run soon i think. 8.40 power up run drive me crazy right now. ;D

I am spending some 15 hours total played that game on my console. I already have very good stanard. But it is funny there still always lot rooms improvement. Especially these last bosses not never went perfectly.

2-player TAS beat huge tank in 7 seconds. My best grende fight my 9.07 run is somewhere 30 seconds which was really good fight with 1 jeep only. I think if huge tank cooperated middle of the room with hold fight i can got this done in 20 seconds which like lot 1player TAS i think

Annoying there is not 1 player TAS run up. And 2player TAS not are realistic compared 1 player console run.

Enhasa

2009-10-23 12:28:24 pm

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

There's been 3 TAS publications for this game (1 2 3), and only the middle one is 2-player. The current one is 1-player, and in fact, 1-player is faster (at least in theory) because there's far less lag. You might have been confused about what the current run is, because the archive.org link the current publication mistakenly points to the old 2-player TAS. Download it using the torrent instead.

I don't want to tell you what to do, but if I were you, I would really go ahead and submit the 9:07.

MASTER-88

2009-10-25 09:08:47 am

Master-88

Thanks to TAS links enhasa. New 1-player TAS was awesome.

This is weird how much lags slowdown game time. This looks game not includes any new tricks and still 1 player game is possible go in 7.15 using SDA rules.Though some bosses not are possible like here. Level 3 boss was just crazy. Huge tanks and fortress was well done here and this one is not possible on console.

Quote:

I don't want to tell you what to do, but if I were you, I would really go ahead and submit the 9:07.

Let see. I am submited 9.25. I´ll submit new one too if i can,t redo that. But i want show some new tricks what i didn,t use my 9.07 run. Level 3 boss is one really interesting one. I can kill it one round faster, but it is precise and difficult to make.

I surely was submited 9.07 run i was make only 1-2 deaths, but there is extra death which not save time and it looks just little noob.
Yeah but Huge tank was simply awesome fight and it is surely very hard got down any faster. Still TAS fight was twice faster than my grenade fight.

Let see can i redo that run. If i can got my dream run i want go under 9 minutes with 1-death grenades only. I think this maybe never happen, but if i can go close my goal i´ll be very happy. Wink

Thanks to TAS links enhasa. New 1-player TAS was awesome.

This is weird how much lags slowdown game time. This looks game not includes any new tricks and still 1 player game is possible go in 7.15 using SDA rules.Though some bosses not are possible like here. Level 3 boss was just crazy. Huge tanks and fortress was well done here and this one is not possible on console.

[quote]I don't want to tell you what to do, but if I were you, I would really go ahead and submit the 9:07.[/quote]

Let see. I am submited 9.25. I´ll submit new one too if i can,t redo that. But i want show some new tricks what i didn,t use my 9.07 run. Level 3 boss is one really interesting one. I can kill it one round faster, but it is precise and difficult to make.

I surely was submited 9.07 run i was make only 1-2 deaths, but there is extra death which not save time and it looks just little noob.
Yeah but Huge tank was simply awesome fight and it is surely very hard got down any faster. Still TAS fight was twice faster than my grenade fight.

Let see can i redo that run. If i can got my dream run i want go under 9 minutes with 1-death grenades only. I think this maybe never happen, but if i can go close my goal i´ll be very happy. ;)

MASTER-88

2009-10-25 11:53:28 am

Master-88

09.00 (grenades only)

I timed 9.00.20. It is very close under 9 minutes. But i think if i not timed wrong it is 20 hundreds over 9 minutes. Overall this is not my best looking run. But fortress and huge tank went very well and these ones ruin lot my very good run.

There is some minor mistakes. I mess up level 3 boss quick kill. It is very hard and save something 3 seconds. I as well got some stuck, but these not are very bad.

I died 3 times (helicopter cost 2 lifes, but it is still done in at one round) Huge tank again cost one life.

Let see can i redo that, but overall this is very good looking run. I´ll say with very good luck and with better lag controlls 8.50 would be possible.

BTW this beat 25 seconds my submited run. If i can,t beat that i´ll submit it when 9.25 run verification is done. Wink

Aftermath

2009-10-25 12:46:51 pm

Quits halfway

Well, if you stick with submitting your 9.25, all of the verifiers are just going to say, "This guy has a 9.00 run recorded, reject this one and accept that one."

MASTER-88

2009-10-25 12:59:41 pm

Master-88

Quote from Aftermath:

Well, if you stick with submitting your 9.25, all of the verifiers are just going to say, "This guy has a 9.00 run recorded, reject this one and accept that one."

Yeah i agree this. I just wanted hear what verifers will say my 9.25 run which is as well good run.
If verifers will accept 9.25 i can sure this new one is surely accept.

Im not want submit that yet because i think verification is done soon maybe end of this week. I´ll submit it after verification is done anf if i can redo that even more i would be very happy.

mikwuyma

2009-10-25 03:30:15 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Quote from MASTER-88:

Quote from Aftermath:

Well, if you stick with submitting your 9.25, all of the verifiers are just going to say, "This guy has a 9.00 run recorded, reject this one and accept that one."

Yeah i agree this. I just wanted hear what verifers will say my 9.25 run which is as well good run.
If verifers will accept 9.25 i can sure this new one is surely accept.

Im not want submit that yet because i think verification is done soon maybe end of this week. I´ll submit it after verification is done anf if i can redo that even more i would be very happy.

What they're going to say is, "why am I not seeing the 9:25 right now?"

Honestly, I don't know why you submitted the 9:25 when you have a 9:00 run. Even if the verifiers did point out possible improvements, it's likely you already improved those points already.

MASTER-88

2009-10-25 03:45:52 pm

Master-88

I make 9.00 run a today.

I just never thinking i can lower my time 25 more seconds when i submited my 9.25 run it seems very well played run and i never thinking i can got it under 9.15. So i submited it.

But with better lag controlls in levels and better last boss fights drop my time whole 25 seconds. If you want i can submit this run soon (before verifications comment come out)

I as well can try redo that but if i can,t i surely will post this run because it is big improvement and i got lost only 8 seconds with Breakdown power up run.

MASTER-88

2009-10-26 08:54:14 am

Master-88

God it is always close. I am managed 9.07 three times and 9.00 once.

My best time before last bosses are 5 seconds faster than my 9.00 run, but i always lost lot time against last bosses. If i can follow my best times i can got 8.55 grenade run. anyway i´ll keep that process at least this week. If i can,t got under 9 minutes run i´ll submit 9.00 run Wink

ZenicReverie

2009-10-26 10:32:39 am

Waiting hurts my soul...

Do the deaths save time, or is just hard not to die?

MASTER-88

Edit history:

MASTER-88: 2009-10-26 01:16:07 pm

2009-10-26 11:18:06 am

Master-88

Quote from ZenicReverie:

Do the deaths save time, or is just hard not to die?

Deaths save time against helicopter fight. You can kill helicopter in one round.

I often die after level 3 boss. Using crazy diagonal grenades through last spread cannon. This death not cost time, becasue boss die before you.

Huge tank is extremely difficult beat without dying especially for speed.

EDIT:
JES FINALLY Cheesy

8.53 (grenades only, with deaths) Cheesy

(maybe very high 8.52 i timed 8.52.96)

2-deaths not cost any time
these happen:
1 very end level 3 boss)
2-death happen against helicopter i beat him in one round

Accident death level 5. I got stuck and die this cost me 3 seconds
I die once against Huge tank. But i not care my fight was my best ever, i simply spam grenades and firing bullets like crazy. I has very good luck and great grenade throws.

I spend good 5 hours today with this. I got once 9.02 and twice 9.07.

I not know can i redo that anymore. I know if you maded even cooler job 8.45 would be possible. Deaths cost me total 5-6 seconds. But this was really hard time to reach.

BTW this run is some par like breakdown power up run and i used grenades only. I think i not want going improve that anymore. It is really hard got any better run. So many runs ended between 9.00-9.07 and finally last one 8.52.96. Cheesy

[quote="ZenicReverie"]
Do the deaths save time, or is just hard not to die?
[/quote]

Deaths save time against helicopter fight. You can kill helicopter in one round.

I often die after level 3 boss. Using crazy diagonal grenades through last spread cannon. This death not cost time, becasue boss die before you.

Huge tank is extremely difficult beat without dying especially for speed.

EDIT:
JES FINALLY :D
8.53 (grenades only, with deaths) :D (maybe very high 8.52 i timed 8.52.96)

2-deaths not cost any time 
these happen: 
1 very end level 3 boss)
2-death happen against helicopter i beat him in one round

Accident death level 5. I got stuck and die this cost me 3 seconds
I die once against Huge tank. But i not care my fight was my best ever, i simply spam grenades and firing bullets like crazy. I has very good luck and great grenade throws.

I spend good 5 hours today with this. I got once 9.02 and twice 9.07.

I not know can i redo that anymore. I know if you maded even cooler job 8.45 would be possible. Deaths cost me total 5-6 seconds. But this was really hard time to reach.

BTW this run is some par like breakdown power up run and i used grenades only. I think i not want going improve that anymore. It is really hard got any better run. So many runs ended between 9.00-9.07 and finally last one 8.52.96. :D

mikwuyma

2009-10-26 12:00:59 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Sounds great, Master-88. You should submit this run ASAP.

MASTER-88

2009-10-26 12:27:01 pm

Master-88

Quote from mikwuyma:

Sounds great, Master-88. You should submit this run ASAP.

Yeah i´ll submit it soon, becaue i think i not going improve that very soon, because it is very hard to beat.

I´ll maybe try no death grenade run in future. Let see, but i think this is very good run with death category. no death run is slower, because helicopter will take at least 2 round to kill. I think i not want make Huge tank risk like death runs, because i always got at least one death.

MASTER-88

2009-10-27 12:03:52 pm

Master-88

I am submited my low-% with deaths 8.52.96 run right now. I not know how SDA turn my final time 8.52-8.53 but we will see it later.

I´ll keep this run and i not going redo that in near future. But i´ll maybe try other categorys in future. Grenades no death run might be great too. It will are little bit slower.

But right now i´ll keep some days break with this game. I am got other games in ebay. I´ll spend next couple days running with Contra. Smiley

Vugmer

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Vugmer: 2010-07-23 07:17:14 pm

2010-07-23 06:28:51 pm

Cigar Man

Why is a low-percent run of this game considered "no upgrades" instead of "no items"?

Edit: Also, can both of the final boss's two forms (fortress and tank) be damaged with the machine gun?

Riskbreaker Y

2010-07-23 10:35:18 pm

berserker status

Probably because items are useless for the most part in a speedrun. There's only about one item (the enemy clear) that's useful really and it's on the way so no time lost.

Regarding the last boss, I'm pretty sure the first form is only weak to grenades but the second form is susceptible to machine gun fire. He can go down pretty fast if you're a good button masher.

Vugmer

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Vugmer: 2010-07-24 08:44:03 am

2010-07-24 07:39:46 am

Cigar Man

Wouldn't "no items" be more low%-ish than "no upgrades," since "no items" would prohibit getting items and upgrades? I think MASTER-88 obtains an extra-life item in his run.

Do you guys depend on pure luck to not get hit by the flame that the final boss shoots?

Riskbreaker Y

2010-07-24 09:49:04 am

berserker status

I guess in a technical sense "no items" is better but getting an extra life doesn't really affect anything. Like I said, there's only one instance where you get a single "all clear" item that kills all the enemies on the screen. There's virtually no other instances where getting an item speeds things up (there is a hidden item in the last level that gives you max upgrades but that would violate the "no upgrades" rule).

A lot of people people think that the flame attack is random but it kind of isn't. I've beaten this game plenty of times without getting killed by that attack. The trick is not to stay still in the center of the screen and to try to anticipate where the tank will stop. This is easier said than done (especially at the end of a speedrun) but after awhile you'll get a feel for the pattern. Actually, getting killed at this boss can probably be faster. Just like how Master-88 intentionally dies against the helicopter boss, it's probably more quick to die, spawn, and start mashing like a madman. I really think this strategy might be better than trying to be safe and run like a snatch.

I guess in a technical sense "no items" is better but getting an extra life doesn't really affect anything.  Like I said, there's only one instance where you get a single "all clear" item that kills all the enemies on the screen.  There's virtually no other instances where getting an item speeds things up (there is a hidden item in the last level that gives you max upgrades but that would violate the "no upgrades" rule).

A lot of people people think that the flame attack is random but it kind of isn't.  I've beaten this game plenty of times without getting killed by that attack.  The trick is not to stay still in the center of the screen and to try to anticipate where the tank will stop.  This is easier said than done (especially at the end of a speedrun) but after awhile you'll get a feel for the pattern.  Actually, getting killed at this boss can probably be faster.  Just like how Master-88 intentionally dies against the helicopter boss, it's probably more quick to die, spawn, and start mashing like a madman.  I really think this strategy might be better than trying to be safe and run like a snatch.

MASTER-88

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MASTER-88: 2010-07-24 10:23:20 am

2010-07-24 10:12:32 am

Master-88

Yes extra life not counted item. Im not was even need it. Thats always come front up my route so i grap it. Roll Eyes

Quote:

Do you guys depend on pure luck to not get hit by the flame that the final boss shoots

Personally i find this totally random. Tank moved random route and stop and shoot flame random timing. But when you played a lot you will learn dodge that quite well. I remember first time when i practice that my emulator i usually got lost 4 or more lifes with boss. When i practice that over and over i usually lost 0-2 lifes. There is also safe strategy beat this boss, thats good idea only casual speedruns, because its really slow and borring looking.

I did one death with huge tank, but thats not just cost time. I usually wanted avoid all pointless deaths. Actually only one death against helicopter save time thats just only intention. Other 3 deaths was accidents and only one cost time. Wink

Quote:

Edit: Also, can both of the final boss's two forms (fortress and tank) be damaged with the machine gun?

Like Riskbreaker said. Huge tank are weak with you bullets too. Bosses 1, 3 & Huge tank are vulnerability with your bullets too.. Other bosses requires grenades or rockets.

Yes extra life not counted item. Im not was even need it. Thats always come front up my route so i grap it. ::)

[quote]Do you guys depend on pure luck to not get hit by the flame that the final boss shoots[/quote]

Personally i find this totally random. Tank moved random route and stop and shoot flame random timing. But when you played a lot you will learn dodge that quite well. I remember first time when i practice that my emulator i usually got lost 4 or more lifes with boss. When i practice that over and over i usually lost 0-2 lifes.  There is also safe strategy beat this boss, thats good idea only casual speedruns, because its really slow and borring looking.

I did one death with huge tank, but thats not just cost time. I usually wanted avoid all pointless deaths. Actually only one death against helicopter save time thats just only intention. Other 3 deaths was accidents and only one cost time. ;)

[quote]Edit: Also, can both of the final boss's two forms (fortress and tank) be damaged with the machine gun?[/quote]

Like Riskbreaker said. Huge tank are weak with you bullets too. Bosses 1, 3 & Huge tank are vulnerability with your bullets too.. Other bosses requires grenades or rockets.