I don't know how nate does it

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Apathy: 2006-01-09 02:15:11 am

2006-01-09 02:13:24 am

King n00b!

Right now, I'm compressing a single 2 something minutes video file of one of the shortest doom 3 levels I could find without having to wait in an specific spots.

I'm testing Divx, Xvid, and H264.. Trying to find the best quality/filesize ratio. Just doing under 3 minutes of video take a hell of a long time with Divx (Insane Quality option used) To do more then 2 hours of this would make me want to hide in a corner and cry.
I'm actually having trouble getting Divx to do a 2pass, it keeps erroring out on me on the second time.
I would not be able to do this kind of stuff everyday. So, mad props to nate for taking so much of his time to do all this.

My whole plan here is to do 600, 1700, and HD (which according to Divx is 3000bitrate) Basically a MQ, HQ, and IQ. Doing low quality is pretty much not even worth the time. I'm going to have two version of each of these. A single pass, and a 2 pass.
I'm going to upload them to a file host, and let everyone here see which is the best. The file names will show what is what when I'm done.

So, who ever wants to take the time to download, and compare, be my guest. Not one of the files will be over 70 megs, so that's a plus.

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Right now, I'm compressing a single 2 something minutes video file of one of the shortest doom 3 levels I could find without having to wait in an specific spots.

I'm testing Divx, Xvid, and H264.. Trying to find the best quality/filesize ratio. Just doing under 3 minutes of video take a hell of a long time with Divx (Insane Quality option used) To do more then 2 hours of this would make me want to hide in a corner and cry.
I'm actually having trouble getting Divx to do a 2pass, it keeps erroring out on me on the second time.
I would not be able to do this kind of stuff everyday. So, mad props to nate for taking so much of his time to do all this.

My whole plan here is to do 600, 1700, and HD (which according to Divx is 3000bitrate) Basically a MQ, HQ, and IQ. Doing low quality is pretty much not even worth the time. I'm going to have two version of each of these. A single pass, and a 2 pass.
I'm going to upload them to a file host, and let everyone here see which is the best. The file names will show what is what when I'm done.

So, who ever wants to take the time to download, and compare, be my guest. Not one of the files will be over 70 megs, so that's a plus.

Radix

2006-01-09 02:48:27 am

I'm addicted to games

The 2 pass will beat the single pass every time.

ballofsnow

2006-01-09 03:07:08 am

Don't bother with single-pass bitrate mode.

What's the error message you're getting? Try doing 3 passes, the third being compressing the audio.

VorpalEdge

2006-01-09 03:07:44 am

welcome to the machine

nate's just that awesome.

Apathy

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Apathy: 2006-01-09 03:33:53 am

2006-01-09 03:26:15 am

King n00b!

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Don't bother with single-pass bitrate mode.

What's the error message you're getting? Try doing 3 passes, the third being compressing the audio.

It was erroring because I was doing it wrong. BTW, DrDivx can blow me. Everytime I've used it, it screws with the resolution of the video. No matter how high I set the file size to be.

Just so I'm reasured that I'm doing this correct, the whole multipass thing is to select whatever bitrate(divx), select multipass 1stpass. Save as, then select Multipass nthpass, then save over the first file right?

Xvid's would be multipass first pass, save as, then multipass 2ndpass, and save over the file right?

H264 is the same as Divx, but it has another option that I'm not going to use

darkwasabi

2006-01-09 03:37:31 am

King of hearts

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Just so I'm reasured that I'm doing this correct, the whole multipass thing is to select whatever bitrate(divx), select multipass 1stpass. Save as, then select Multipass nthpass, then save over the first file right?

Xvid's would be multipass first pass, save as, then multipass 2ndpass, and save over the file right?

Yes.

Apathy

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Apathy: 2006-01-09 04:04:13 am

2006-01-09 03:49:26 am

King n00b!

Results are kind of funny..

Xivd came out to be the smallest file size, but H264 has the best quality. Divx came out with the largest fizesize.

As for the multi pass, single pass thing. While the filesize is barely different, all 2pass came out to be a smaller filesize (duh?)

The level that was recorded for this was the one after hell.

I'm probably going to delete the single pass ones, and just upload the 2pass. As for quality, it's extremely noticable in the 600bitrate ones. H264 wins by a bit better quality. Xvid wins by smaller filesize, and well, divx wins by taking your money to get the full version.

Anyway, here are some screenshots.
IN each of the folders are both single, and multipass in every bitrate I menitoned. So thats 6 files in each folder.

ballofsnow

2006-01-09 03:55:50 am

Rate control is never perfect in any codec, so that's why there are some filesize differences in your two-pass encodes. Having a 2 minute source file doesn't help either.

Doom9 recently did a codec comparison, check it out here: http://www.doom9.org/codec-comparisons.htm

darkwasabi

2006-01-09 03:59:43 am

King of hearts

You should make a Divx/Xvid normal quality because h264 is pretty new. Low, high, or insane quality as h264 is ok.

Radix

2006-01-09 04:06:00 am

I'm addicted to games

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BTW, DrDivx can blow me. Everytime I've used it, it screws with the resolution of the video. No matter how high I set the file size to be.

Who told you to use DrDivx?
That's what you get for not reading the FAQ.

Apathy

2006-01-09 04:06:55 am

King n00b!

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You should make a Divx/Xvid normal quality because h264 is pretty new. Low, high, or insane quality as h264 is ok.

The 600bitrate is considered NQ. It's compressed just like any of the NQ runs on this site. Actually, I believe that 550 bitrate is used, but what ever.

Radix

2006-01-09 04:07:38 am

I'm addicted to games

The max video bitrate that a normal quality should be is 550.

Apathy

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Apathy: 2006-01-09 11:16:53 am

2006-01-09 04:08:32 am

King n00b!

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Who told you to use DrDivx?
That's what you get for not reading the FAQ.

I've read the faq several times
I tried DrDivx to see how it was for myself, and didn't like it. I decided it sucked before I even thought about doing this. It wasn't used with any of the files in the folders.

Tomorrow when I go to upload in case anyone wants to see this crap, I'll redo the "NQ" ones with 550, just so you can sleep better at night Grin

Ekarderif

2006-01-09 04:35:45 am

Your almighty lordship

/me hugs ballsofsnow
I didn't realize another one has come out.

slYnki

2006-01-09 04:49:49 am

XXY

To properly respond to Nate, and not the technical help line (you guys are sick O_o), you're the man, as was stated in several other threads. If I had a hat on all the time, I'd take it off to you..... all the time. Jesus that would be hard. How about you just take my damn hat?

Pweisger

2006-01-09 06:23:25 am

PwNzRd!

I should try that, because the single pass looks like crap.

Enhasa

2006-01-09 08:42:21 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Well, at the very least I admire that you care enough to test yourself. To answer your question, I'm not really sure what you mean. You realize you can multitask by doing something else that isn't CPU intensive, like websurfing, going out, or sleeping. You don't need to babysit anything while it's going. Job control is your friend.

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As for quality, it's extremely noticable in the 600bitrate ones. H264 wins by a bit better quality. Xvid wins by smaller filesize, and well, divx wins by taking your money to get the full version.

I lol'd at that last bit. Good job. I have to say though, you realize filesize and quality are directly proportional right? Being smaller filesize at the same quality implies greater quality at the same filesize, and all that. So you really aren't saying much comparing xvid and x264.

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I've read the faq several times
I tried it, and didn't like it. I decided it sucked before I even thought about doing this. It wasn't used with any of the files in the folders.

Tomorrow when I go to upload in case anyone wants to see this crap, I'll redo the "NQ" ones with 550, just so you can sleep better at night Grin

Um, I guess I'll go with the "if you can't say anything nice..." approach to responding.

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/me hugs ballsofsnow
I didn't realize another one has come out.

It pretty much says blah blah h264 is the future blah blah blah. It can't be all that new then. Wink

Well, at the very least I admire that you care enough to test yourself. To answer your question, I'm not really sure what you mean. You realize you can multitask by doing something else that isn't CPU intensive, like websurfing, going out, or sleeping. You don't need to babysit anything while it's going. Job control is your friend.

[quote]As for quality, it's extremely noticable in the 600bitrate ones. H264 wins by a bit better quality. Xvid wins by smaller filesize, and well, divx wins by taking your money to get the full version.[/quote]
I lol'd at that last bit. Good job. I have to say though, you realize filesize and quality are directly proportional right? Being smaller filesize at the same quality implies greater quality at the same filesize, and all that. So you really aren't saying much comparing xvid and x264.

[quote]I've read the faq several times
I tried it, and didn't like it. I decided it sucked before I even thought about doing this. It wasn't used with any of the files in the folders.

Tomorrow when I go to upload in case anyone wants to see this crap, I'll redo the "NQ" ones with 550, just so you can sleep better at night ;D :D[/quote]
Um, I guess I'll go with the "if you can't say anything nice..." approach to responding.

[quote]/me hugs ballsofsnow
I didn't realize another one has come out.[/quote]
It pretty much says blah blah h264 is the future blah blah blah. It can't be all that new then. ;)

ballofsnow

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ballofsnow: 2006-01-09 09:05:47 am

2006-01-09 09:04:18 am

With Megui for x264 you can set the priority level of the encoding. It defaults on "low" so you can still do web browsing, listen to music, chat, etc without getting that computer lag.

Well, you can also do this with VirtualDub. I'm not sure about other OS's but in Windows XP you just have to open Windows Task Manager (ctrl+alt+del), find VirtualDub in the processes tab, right-click -> set priority -> low.

Of course you can do all this even on normal priority level, but you get that computer lag everytime you want to do something.

CannibalK9

2006-01-09 09:11:17 am

give me your eyes!!!

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Um, I guess I'll go with the "if you can't say anything nice..." approach to responding.

I think he was referring to DrDivx. If he was referring to nate's faq then more fool him.

I used to get the error message with multiple passes, my theory is your computer is a bit old. My old computer could not do multipass and screwed up on audio compression, but I have never had a problem with my new one.

This doesn't give any advice except get a new computer, but it may tell you what's going wrong (although being able to play and record Doom3 doesn't sound like the work of a poor computer).
In which case I'm clueless :-/

Enhasa

2006-01-09 09:29:20 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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With Megui for x264 you can set the priority level of the encoding. It defaults on "low" so you can still do web browsing, listen to music, chat, etc without getting that computer lag.

I brought up sleeping because overnight is more than enough time than I have ever needed.

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Well, you can also do this with VirtualDub. I'm not sure about other OS's but in Windows XP you just have to open Windows Task Manager (ctrl+alt+del), find VirtualDub in the processes tab, right-click -> set priority -> low.

You can do that in anything NT based, including 2000 and 2003.

CannibalK9, I think you're right about DrDivX. That would certainly make much more sense.

Apathy

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Apathy: 2006-01-09 11:05:27 am

2006-01-09 10:59:25 am

King n00b!

I was referring to drdivx sucking. Everytime I tried to use it, it would screw with the resolution, no matter how high I set the filesize to come out.

The error with Divx was happening because when I first went to use it, I did the proccess backwards.

When I use Job Control, it makes the video lock, and the sound keeps going, or the sound will dysinch. My comp is pretty outdated by now, so I'm not really placing blame on vdub.

Anyway, after I did the 550's, and deleted the single passes, H264 seemed to be the higher filesize, but still the best quality. The 3000bitrate, or "HD" quality is not really worth it's file size. The 2pass on 3000 might look a tiny bit better than 1700, but if you were to have a 1+ hour run, and Insane Quality option used, it wouldn't justify itself with the wait time, or filesize imo. (At least it wouldn't on my computer) Nate's got a really good computer, so it probably goes like twice as fast for him.

I'm going to start uploading, and you all can have a look for yourselves.

I was referring to drdivx sucking. Everytime I tried to use it, it would screw with the resolution, no matter how high I set the filesize to come out.

The error with Divx was happening because when I first went to use it, I did the proccess backwards.

When I use Job Control, it makes the video lock, and the sound keeps going, or the sound will dysinch. My comp is pretty outdated by now, so I'm not really placing blame on vdub.

Anyway, after I did the 550's, and deleted the single passes, H264 seemed to be the higher filesize, but still the best quality. The 3000bitrate, or "HD" quality is not really worth it's file size. The 2pass on 3000 might look a tiny bit better than 1700, but if you were to have a 1+ hour run, and Insane Quality option used, it wouldn't justify itself with the wait time, or filesize imo. (At least it wouldn't on my computer) Nate's got a really good computer, so it probably goes like twice as fast for him.

I'm going to start uploading, and you all can have a look for yourselves.

Apathy

2006-01-09 12:31:13 pm

King n00b!

For those of you who might care.
All Multipass

Divx

3000bitrate
192kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_Divx_3000_2p/;4586202;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

1700bitrate
160kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_Divx_1700_2p/;4586222;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

550bitrate
128kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_Divx_550_2pa/;4586242;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

Xvid

3000bitrate
192kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_XVID_3000_2p/;4586162;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

1700bitrate
160kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_XVID_1700_2p/;4586179;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

550bitrate
128kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_Xvid_550_2pa/;4586185;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

H264

3000bitrate
192kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_H264_3000_2p/;4586285;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

1700bitrate
160kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_H264_1700_2p/;4586306;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

550bitrate
128kbps Lame Mp3
[url]http://files.filefront.com/Doom3_Codec_Tests_H264_550_2pa/;4586314;;/fileinfo.html[/url]

pyurrhia

2006-01-09 01:49:20 pm

like cranky kong, but not as nice

man, i gotta agree with the title of this thread... just got a dvd/rw drive and thought i'd burn a coupla speedrun movies to dvd (yeah, i know that's been dropped already) - just making a single movie out of all the segments took a day, and it still won't do it

anyway, kudos to nate

Radix

2006-01-09 02:25:05 pm

I'm addicted to games

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My comp is pretty outdated by now, so I'm not really placing blame on vdub.

Don't go there.
May I remind everyone that I have a 6.5 year old 450 MHz computer. I can 3+ hour videos with 2 pass just fine. It just takes all day.

Apathy

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Apathy: 2006-01-09 02:31:31 pm

2006-01-09 02:30:21 pm

King n00b!

I was referring to job control screwing up the video. Mine encodes without a hitch if I "babysit" it.