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blizzz
2013-03-01 03:22:07 pm
I tried it with the SC-500N1 (supports 720p60, 1080i60 and 1080p24) and Aver H727 (supports 720p60, 1080i60). I'll be getting an Elgato HD soon which can record at 720p60 or 1080p30 with 1080p60 passthrough, so no big deal.
MrLonghair
2013-03-01 06:13:48 pm
Audio-guy. twitchtv:ohgoddamnit
Quote from blizzz:
I tried it with the SC-500N1 (supports 720p60, 1080i60 and 1080p24) and Aver H727 (supports 720p60, 1080i60). I'll be getting an Elgato HD soon which can record at 720p60 or 1080p30 with 1080p60 passthrough, so no big deal.


Thank you! Forgot entirely about the SC-500N1, got people who've been capturing arcade boards with it
blizzz
2013-03-05 10:06:40 am
I got my Elgato HD today. First thing I tried was PS3 > ViewHD Splitter > Elgato > TV. The result was crackling in the audio and lines in the image on both the recording and my TV. Next try: 360 with the same setup: no problems.
Then I switched from the generic Chinese HDMI cable that I just had at hand to a high quality HDMI 1.4 High Speed + Ethernet cable and the problems are gone.

That's the first time I had problems with a cheap HDMI cable. Cheap in this case means I got it for free, the better cable costs 13€ in a 2 pack on Amazon.
MrLonghair
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2013-03-18 08:59:47 am
Audio-guy. twitchtv:ohgoddamnit
I can now confirm that the Monoprice adapter works with European Hauppauge HDPVR2, momentary lapses of sync-loss happen when switching resolutions but that might be because my HDPVR2 has some busted chip in it, and sometimes I see mid-screen interlacing in the preview window but these may be flukes. I had to disable Full RGB Range or things would simply be too dark.

The company who sold it to me over Amazon also sent me two of them by mistake, if they tell me I can do whatever with it I'll try to help one of you euro folks unable to order it out.


e: Wow. For many hours there I had a huge problem of getting slowed down audio in recording and preview windows unless I did straight digital to digital. Reset, power cycled, rebooted - it works perfectly fine now.
Time to return this €40 analogue to digital converter D:
daninthemix
2013-04-27 10:35:41 am
That ViewHD is no longer available on Amazon UK. Can someone recommend a splitter that removed HDCP and is available in the UK?
Tuff_Mcduff
2013-04-29 05:36:53 am
I'm also looking for something similar splitter that will remove HDCP...
MrLonghair
2013-04-29 11:30:36 am
Audio-guy. twitchtv:ohgoddamnit
From my searches I was unable to find any solution in Europe for the money us mortals carry, the closest thing was the Monoprice DVI+Audio to HDMI converter.

Some HDMI splitters on DealExtreme (DX.com) have comments stating that they remove HDCP in the splitting even though they state they support HDCP in the first place. If you're unable to import a Monoprice converter (it does require an accepted credit card, kinda uncommon for us Euros) that might be your best chance.
HasSanChop
2013-04-30 02:42:21 am
I'm having similar problems, too. From recommendations in forums to comments on Amazon, I've tried splitters that ultimately did not work to do the handshaking for components that could not. My test was Blu-ray Player --> HDMI Splitter --> Hauppauge Colossus = blackscreen. Even tried it with a monitor on the 2nd out-port of the splitter, but no difference.

Now, there is the concern that the newest versions of these splitters were changed. Could anyone who has a splitter, which actually works, take a look inside and compare it with the recent 2 I've tried, which didn't work?

as per March 2013:
"SANOXY HDMI 1x2 3D splitter v1.3 HDCP 2 ports swither 3 4 5 8 PS3 XBOX360 DVD Blu-ray"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UYOEMI/




as per April 2013:
"ViewHD 2 Port 1x2 Powered HDMI Mini Splitter for 1080P & 3D"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004F9LVXC


Taco
2013-04-30 02:41:52 pm
HasSanChop

I bought http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UYOEMI/ and to my demise, found that it doesn't bypass HDCP. Let me know if you find one. Screw buying a new monitor.
Taco
2013-04-30 02:45:49 pm
HasSanChop
2013-04-30 07:18:39 pm
Quote from Taco:
I am going to try this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/community-content-search/results/ref=cm_cr_dp_srch?query=HDCP&idx.asin=B003B4O7NS&search-alias=community-reviews

Be careful. All the "good" reviews are from January. The "bad" review is the most recent, for this product. They, too, may have changed their product.
Taco
2013-04-30 09:12:22 pm
ill post an update tomorrow. If it doesnt work I'll just buy a HDCP capable monitor
Taco
2013-05-01 01:26:59 pm
Success!!!
http://i.imgur.com/J4L9g3G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bdjknfc.jpg

The connected one works. It is this  http://www.amazon.com/gp/community-content-search/results/ref=cm_cr_dp_srch?query=HDCP&idx.asin=B003B4O7NS&search-alias=community-reviews

The unconnected one does NOT work.
It is this  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UYOEMI

Setup: PS3 -> splitter -> hdmi to dvi -> monitor (not HDCP compliant)
Tranquilite
2013-05-01 05:01:38 pm
Interesting to see that the Sewell Direct ones work. I was considering buying one of theirs because their company is located fairly close to where I live and they offer local pickup.
HasSanChop
2013-05-06 09:10:40 pm
Quote from Taco:
Success!!! ... The connected one works. It is this  http://www.amazon.com/gp/community-content-search/results/ref=cm_cr_dp_srch?query=HDCP&idx.asin=B003B4O7NS&search-alias=community-reviews


Unfortunately (again!), this same model# I ordered & received doesn't work.  ;(  Interesting that all 3 splitters that don't work have the same middle number on the "HDMI" chip. Maybe yours is different?

as per May 2013:
"Sewell 2 Port 1x2 Powered Hdmi Splitter V 1.3b 3D Certified-Up to 1080p"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003B4O7NS


Taco
2013-05-07 11:38:23 am
What are you using it on? I read in the reviews that it worked for a person's PS3, but not for their cable box.
HasSanChop
2013-05-07 07:20:21 pm
My testing of the last 3 splitters has been:  Blu-ray Player (HDMI) --> HDMI Splitter --> Hauppauge Colossus (HDMI), where I expected the splitter to demonstrate it's "handshaking" for the capture card to work. But all I get is a blank (black) screen in the capture program. (I can capture a portable player's HDMI output directly, so the card's input is OK.) Most of these splitters state "Blu-ray" in their titles ... hence my device choice for the test ... and the only device I can use at the moment.  Smiley

Ultimately, the setup would be for a future HD-TV-box with HDMI output, not a Blu-ray player. As some TV channels are normally sent "in the clear", a "properly-working" splitter wouldn't be needed in those instances.
MrLonghair
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Audio-guy. twitchtv:ohgoddamnit
Just what I got out of my PVR2 with one of those little splitters, trying to feed it PS3 and then video from a Samsung Galaxy S3.

Had to get the monoprice to get anything but a black screen out.



e: Does appear that internal revisions matter, of these little splitter boxes. Wish I'd opened the one I got up.
TheThrillness
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I found a HDCP stripper box for UK users. It's the old DVI and SPDIF option though.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DVI-to-HDMI-Converter-Toslink-or-Coax-SPDIF-Audio-PC-DVI-to-HDMI-/230878603915?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item35c16fea8b

Used here:

Check 1:02 in the video to see the unit.
thenewbigmack
2013-06-02 02:39:52 am
Quote from Taco:
Success!!!
http://i.imgur.com/J4L9g3G.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Bdjknfc.jpg

The connected one works. It is this  http://www.amazon.com/gp/community-content-search/results/ref=cm_cr_dp_srch?query=HDCP&idx.asin=B003B4O7NS&search-alias=community-reviews

The unconnected one does NOT work.
It is this  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UYOEMI

Setup: PS3 -> splitter -> hdmi to dvi -> monitor (not HDCP compliant)

Hey, just checking in to see how it's working. I'll be running it on my ps3 as well, so thought I'd check in one last time before ordering it. Thanks in advanced!
MrLonghair
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2013-06-16 09:13:40 am
Audio-guy. twitchtv:ohgoddamnit
I made a video covering most of the essentials in here for getting rid of HDCP, because PS4 and Xbox One both are HDMI only with HDCP signals, and you wouldn't believe how many people working in gaming media there are who still think solving that problem's going to be $1000+. Same thing on game forums around the world, people want to run and record but worry about the new machines.



No joke - unless tech crews learn, we're going to see terrible video coverage or people/sites/journalists spending outrageous amounts of money buying or renting gear for captures. One alternative I never covered is the Monster XX card from Japanese Skynet but that's internal and a bit of a mess, also $350+
Andrew_Mills
2013-06-17 05:27:56 am
AlphaStrategyGui des.com
Quote from TheThrillness:
I found a HDCP stripper box for UK users. It's the old DVI and SPDIF option though.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DVI-to-HDMI-Converter-Toslink-or-Coax-SPDIF-Audio-PC-DVI-to-HDMI-/230878603915?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item35c16fea8b

Used here:

Check 1:02 in the video to see the unit.

I've just ordered this (along with a Toslink cable) in preparation for the Next Gen. Will see how it works with my PS3. Will see if I can get a decent auto-HDMI switch box for my two 360's as well. Smiley
TheThrillness
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Let me know Andrew.

I also bought this which I can confirm strips HDCP and is a very strong option for anyone in the UK who does not want to take a chance with the 1x2 splitter not working: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-WAY-HD-hub-1080p-1-x-4-HDMI-3D-Splitter-Amplifier-HDTV-1-3-HD-TV-/290724340294?pt=UK_Computing_Sound_Vision_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item43b0856246

Attached Media Express screenshot to show it working.

I can do screenshot comparisons between component and HDMI if anyone would like. I've always been curious as to how much better HDMI actually is over component in regards to capture cards.

Attachment:
hdmi.png
MrLonghair
2013-06-19 07:25:35 am
Audio-guy. twitchtv:ohgoddamnit
I did some streaming of Dark Souls for the first time after getting the Monoprice dealio and my viewers could tell it was much prettier than before. 640x360 384kbps stream was enough to notice the difference in colours and sharpness, as analogue tends to bleed and blur when shrinking down, but going digital to digital to digital is sharp and clean. It's good the new machines leave analogue behind. Thought about making a youtube video showing the difference since that place goes from 1080p to 360, we'll see.

I'd like to add one troubleshooting query about the Monoprice converter; Does the audio come in slow, sound like it's an octave lower?
Make sure to connect something to a digital audio input on the converter, even if you're using another way of capturing audio. It needs lit up optical or an active digital audio connection and then it will behave at all times due to the way it works - or it's a Hauppauge HDPVR2 thing.
TheThrillness
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Component vs HDMI on PS3.

Test hardware and theory:

HDMI 1x4 splitter to strip HDCP (linked above).
Sony 2m HDMI cables.
Sony official component cable.
Micomsoft SC-500N1/PEXHDCAP (Best component/HDMI picture quality I can achieve from a capture solution within a reasonable price).
Lagarith lossless codec in YUY2 mode (colospace of the capture card when fed Component or HDMI).
Amarec 2.20c.
The PS3 menu and the game Metal Gear Solid 4 will be used for comparison.
PS3 outputting 720p at 59.94.

Screenshots are taken from MPC with CCCP and PNG for lossless capture. They have effective comparison by using a website called screenshot comparison which will allow the user to mouse over to view the comparison.

First test is the PS3 menu: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/28969

Analysis - HDMI clearly wins here. There is far more detail to be seen on the character model. You can even see sharper detail in the small Policenauts game below SingStar.

Second test is logos: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/28970

Analysis - You cannot really see it here but the component screenshot leaves a slight black gap at the left hand side of about 2 pixels. I am unsure if this is the capture card or a fault of the PS3 system but it is the reason that the screenshots are not a pixel for pixel comparison. This issue is fixed with HDMI.

Third test is an area with lots of detail: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/28972

Analysis - I forgot this intro is real time but it is still a valid comparison. Surprisingly component actually stands its ground rather well here but HDMI still has a slight advantage. You can see tiny more detail in the logo at the bottom left with HDMI.

Summary - HDMI is worthwhile if you can effectively strip HDCP. HDMI has the following advantages over Component using the PS3.

1. Better compression ratios since purely digital (look at the size of the screenshot comparisons).
2. All around better visual quality.
3. Digital audio.