My feelings on The Demon Rush
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Benoit Alain's single segment run
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Decision: Accept
Reason: Single-segment Final Fantasy!
Benoit Alain's single segment run
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Verifier: Alright, so I finished FF1 (Yay you didn't harass me for this one!); anyway...
Verifier: The guy certainly took everything that was said to heart and came back with a more solid game plan.
Verifier: There was some good luck in this run as he only really had to use Life once, even though he had it on both his WHM and RDM.
Verifier: His menu work was solid for most of the run, nearing the end. I dont blame him for slowing down a bit since everything was coming to a point. There is a lot to be said about this.
Verifier: Definate better game plan, execution is a lot better, he manipulated through great use of the counter and all. I can't really complain, well I can but its under 4 hours in a game that kicked most of our asses when we were kids.
Verifier: Its SS to...
Verifier: I guess its just an accept. But really its an MOTHER-FUCKING-ACCEPT
Verifier: The guy certainly took everything that was said to heart and came back with a more solid game plan.
Verifier: There was some good luck in this run as he only really had to use Life once, even though he had it on both his WHM and RDM.
Verifier: His menu work was solid for most of the run, nearing the end. I dont blame him for slowing down a bit since everything was coming to a point. There is a lot to be said about this.
Verifier: Definate better game plan, execution is a lot better, he manipulated through great use of the counter and all. I can't really complain, well I can but its under 4 hours in a game that kicked most of our asses when we were kids.
Verifier: Its SS to...
Verifier: I guess its just an accept. But really its an MOTHER-FUCKING-ACCEPT
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Video quality is awful but considering the other runs I've seen I know why so no big deal there. He seems to be showing off his stats after the ending and then after THAT there's some extra crap so the video could be clipped a bit better. No cheating spotted.
3x Rapier, 1x Iron Hammer
2x Chain Armor
HARM
FIRE
Equip
Garland, one fighter dies to a crit
Extra fight for experience?
Rez fighter, inn
Extra fight outside provoka, why swap rm/fi twice?
Pirate fight, wm dies
ICE
Inn
3x Kyzoku, 2x Geist
Short Sword
MUTE
Inn
...doesn't equip short sword?
Shark
NOW he equips short sword
CURE x2, RUSE on WM, FOG on RM, tries to teach RM RUSE
Long way to Elfland town, extra fight, inn
3 grind fights
Inn
Iron Shield to Port
5x Pure Pot, 14x Heal Pot (7G left over)
Equip Iron Shield
Almost uses heal pot, then uses tent instead on way to marsh cave
Tent+heal pot just outside marsh cave
Short sword pickup in marsh cave
Slight snafu in weapon screen
Poisoned during fight, pure used as running
Copper bracelet, House, Iron Armor picked up
Iron Armor to Port, old Chain to D'Ar, Copper Bracelet to Aram
One heal pot to Port
One heal pot and CURE to Port just before Wizards
Swap Atos and Aram for RUSE in second part spot
4 wizards... WM uses RUSEx2, RM uses FOG on Port
CROWN
Heal pot on D'Ar
Swap Atos and Aram back
2 poisoned during muck fight, have to swap back, fucks up order slightly
Straight for Astos
Uses HOUSE outside castle
...Magic menu for no reason?
MUTE, fails twice, works third time
Good luck on ASTOS, doesn't try to cast until after muted
Straight to Matoya
Atos poisoned, not swapped back right away
Fight AND run?
Back to prince
Collect elfland locked treasure
Sell Silver Hammer, buy Silver Sword for D'Ar
Inn
FIR2
HRM2, try to teach it to the wrong guy
Back to Astos castle for treasure
Equipment fuckery
Deliberate mummy fights
Back to elfland, sell power staff
CUR2 x2
AICE
Soft Pot x3
Corneria Castle for TNT and other treasure
Inn
Sell extra weapons
Pure Pot x13, Tent x2, Heal Pot x a billion
Dwarf Cave, treasure collection
Melmond equipment fuckery
Earth Cave coral sword, drop rapiers
lol fucking bats
Cabin outside, straight to ROD cave
...use the iron hammer? wtf
WHOOPS WHITE MAGE DIES
Unlucky bullshit with undead paralysis
Ran back to Corneria to revive WM, inn
Starts to fight, runs at the last second
Lich fight... used a FIR2 shot early on that could have made it faster
LIFE to WM
Crescent Lake ho!
Heal, pure, cabin or two
Sell silver/coral/dragon sword
Sell bunch of iron, buy silver for fighters
Equipment fuckery
CANOE
To ordeals!
Battle counting?
Cabin, more counting?
Zeus Gauntlet
More counting
Gold Bracelet, Ice Sword
More equipment fuckery
Tail and other stuff
Zombie D farming
Whoops RM dies
Elfland, inn/life/inn
Soft, cabin, heal
ICE2, FAST to RM
Battle counting
Ice Cave
Pointless menu?
Boo cockatrice
Extra battle
Boo cockatrice again
Hello there cthulhu
More extra battles
Ice shield and other equipment fuckery
It is really hard to see the holes with this horrible video quality
FLOATER
Eye farming
Damn stone
Damn instant death on WM
Extra battle
Ice Armor to Atos, pitch Iron armor
Cthulhu returns with more friends
Airship
BOTTLE
Northeast town I can't remember the name of
Sell some armor
Buy some ProRings
Clinic for WM
BOTTLE USE
OXYALE
Class change
Why does a rat tail show courage to me it shows cruelty to the poor rat
Melmond for Inn and LIFE/WARP to RW
Waterfall cave
Wizard Staff, Ribbon
CUBE
Equipment fuckery, WARP to leave
NAOCHO CHEESE
House use
Water shrine town I can't remember the name of
Item shop
YOU JUST USED A HOUSE WHY DID YOU GO TO THE INN
Mermaids
Opal Bracelet/Helmet
SLAB
Equipment fuckery
WARP to get to base floor, continue to Kraken
Indecisive RW fighting ghosts
Ribbon
WW almost got fucked up by Kraken, but very clean fight overall
Melmond, CUR3 and HEL2 to WW... wouldn't you want to save those charges for LIFE anyway?
TRANSLATION SLAB
WARP to leave the town
Land on the wrong side of the volcano...
He must have really taken that 'don't take the long way around the lava' seriously because now he's barreling through it on purpose
...ok he went the wrong way and ended up going through EXTRA lava
Alright we get it you aren't afraid of the lava goddamn dude
I guess HEL2 was useful but CUR3?
Pretty clean KARY fight, nice 300 point crit
Leifen
CHIME
Warp to leave
Fucking first strike frost wolves almost killed everybody that would have been a wonderful kick in the balls
Mirage tower
I'M BATMAN
Whoops armor is full you dumbass
Aegis Shield
Warp out, HOUSE, now take short way up the tower
THOR and other crap
...drop the Zeus gauntlet :<
SKY WIZARDS
Opal Shield, Ribbon no 3
Black/White Shirt
ADAMANT
Extra battles, avoid warmech probably
TIAMAT WILL EAT YO FACE
Reasonably clean Tiamat fight though I don't think he he swung once so the White Shirt was a bit superfluous
XCALBERRRRR
WARPing out of towns never gets old
One last CABIN and HOUSE before final dungeon
Battle manipulation before third floor
WE'RE BATMAN
PHANTOM SPLAT
Oh THAT'S what that's for
...fighting Lich with only one guy. Clever. Came goddamn close to dying, but it worked.
Equipment fuckery. Leaving RW stoned? Worried about KARY and KRAKEN I guess?
KARY SPLAT
633 crit damage goddamn did all four hits crit or something
KRAKEN SPLAT
Unstoned the RW finally, shifted equipment around again
MASMUNE
WARP to get back to the correct stairs
RW almost got exploded by TIAMAT
TIAMAT SPLAT
Oh no here comes CHAOS
DIEEEEEEEE IN PIXELS
Alright so the method for avoiding getting NUKEd to death was much better handled than the last run and the menu manipulation and overall execution was markedly improved. There's still some pointless menu fuckery but it's not nearly as bad or noticeable as the last one. I thought the last one was borderline between 'meh' and 'reject', and this one is a good deal faster even with some horrible luck here and there. He never did end up using CUR3 but the difference is measured in seconds on a run almost four hours long, so I think I can let it slide without too much worry.
I give this one a thumbs up.
3x Rapier, 1x Iron Hammer
2x Chain Armor
HARM
FIRE
Equip
Garland, one fighter dies to a crit
Extra fight for experience?
Rez fighter, inn
Extra fight outside provoka, why swap rm/fi twice?
Pirate fight, wm dies
ICE
Inn
3x Kyzoku, 2x Geist
Short Sword
MUTE
Inn
...doesn't equip short sword?
Shark
NOW he equips short sword
CURE x2, RUSE on WM, FOG on RM, tries to teach RM RUSE
Long way to Elfland town, extra fight, inn
3 grind fights
Inn
Iron Shield to Port
5x Pure Pot, 14x Heal Pot (7G left over)
Equip Iron Shield
Almost uses heal pot, then uses tent instead on way to marsh cave
Tent+heal pot just outside marsh cave
Short sword pickup in marsh cave
Slight snafu in weapon screen
Poisoned during fight, pure used as running
Copper bracelet, House, Iron Armor picked up
Iron Armor to Port, old Chain to D'Ar, Copper Bracelet to Aram
One heal pot to Port
One heal pot and CURE to Port just before Wizards
Swap Atos and Aram for RUSE in second part spot
4 wizards... WM uses RUSEx2, RM uses FOG on Port
CROWN
Heal pot on D'Ar
Swap Atos and Aram back
2 poisoned during muck fight, have to swap back, fucks up order slightly
Straight for Astos
Uses HOUSE outside castle
...Magic menu for no reason?
MUTE, fails twice, works third time
Good luck on ASTOS, doesn't try to cast until after muted
Straight to Matoya
Atos poisoned, not swapped back right away
Fight AND run?
Back to prince
Collect elfland locked treasure
Sell Silver Hammer, buy Silver Sword for D'Ar
Inn
FIR2
HRM2, try to teach it to the wrong guy
Back to Astos castle for treasure
Equipment fuckery
Deliberate mummy fights
Back to elfland, sell power staff
CUR2 x2
AICE
Soft Pot x3
Corneria Castle for TNT and other treasure
Inn
Sell extra weapons
Pure Pot x13, Tent x2, Heal Pot x a billion
Dwarf Cave, treasure collection
Melmond equipment fuckery
Earth Cave coral sword, drop rapiers
lol fucking bats
Cabin outside, straight to ROD cave
...use the iron hammer? wtf
WHOOPS WHITE MAGE DIES
Unlucky bullshit with undead paralysis
Ran back to Corneria to revive WM, inn
Starts to fight, runs at the last second
Lich fight... used a FIR2 shot early on that could have made it faster
LIFE to WM
Crescent Lake ho!
Heal, pure, cabin or two
Sell silver/coral/dragon sword
Sell bunch of iron, buy silver for fighters
Equipment fuckery
CANOE
To ordeals!
Battle counting?
Cabin, more counting?
Zeus Gauntlet
More counting
Gold Bracelet, Ice Sword
More equipment fuckery
Tail and other stuff
Zombie D farming
Whoops RM dies
Elfland, inn/life/inn
Soft, cabin, heal
ICE2, FAST to RM
Battle counting
Ice Cave
Pointless menu?
Boo cockatrice
Extra battle
Boo cockatrice again
Hello there cthulhu
More extra battles
Ice shield and other equipment fuckery
It is really hard to see the holes with this horrible video quality
FLOATER
Eye farming
Damn stone
Damn instant death on WM
Extra battle
Ice Armor to Atos, pitch Iron armor
Cthulhu returns with more friends
Airship
BOTTLE
Northeast town I can't remember the name of
Sell some armor
Buy some ProRings
Clinic for WM
BOTTLE USE
OXYALE
Class change
Why does a rat tail show courage to me it shows cruelty to the poor rat
Melmond for Inn and LIFE/WARP to RW
Waterfall cave
Wizard Staff, Ribbon
CUBE
Equipment fuckery, WARP to leave
NAOCHO CHEESE
House use
Water shrine town I can't remember the name of
Item shop
YOU JUST USED A HOUSE WHY DID YOU GO TO THE INN
Mermaids
Opal Bracelet/Helmet
SLAB
Equipment fuckery
WARP to get to base floor, continue to Kraken
Indecisive RW fighting ghosts
Ribbon
WW almost got fucked up by Kraken, but very clean fight overall
Melmond, CUR3 and HEL2 to WW... wouldn't you want to save those charges for LIFE anyway?
TRANSLATION SLAB
WARP to leave the town
Land on the wrong side of the volcano...
He must have really taken that 'don't take the long way around the lava' seriously because now he's barreling through it on purpose
...ok he went the wrong way and ended up going through EXTRA lava
Alright we get it you aren't afraid of the lava goddamn dude
I guess HEL2 was useful but CUR3?
Pretty clean KARY fight, nice 300 point crit
Leifen
CHIME
Warp to leave
Fucking first strike frost wolves almost killed everybody that would have been a wonderful kick in the balls
Mirage tower
I'M BATMAN
Whoops armor is full you dumbass
Aegis Shield
Warp out, HOUSE, now take short way up the tower
THOR and other crap
...drop the Zeus gauntlet :<
SKY WIZARDS
Opal Shield, Ribbon no 3
Black/White Shirt
ADAMANT
Extra battles, avoid warmech probably
TIAMAT WILL EAT YO FACE
Reasonably clean Tiamat fight though I don't think he he swung once so the White Shirt was a bit superfluous
XCALBERRRRR
WARPing out of towns never gets old
One last CABIN and HOUSE before final dungeon
Battle manipulation before third floor
WE'RE BATMAN
PHANTOM SPLAT
Oh THAT'S what that's for
...fighting Lich with only one guy. Clever. Came goddamn close to dying, but it worked.
Equipment fuckery. Leaving RW stoned? Worried about KARY and KRAKEN I guess?
KARY SPLAT
633 crit damage goddamn did all four hits crit or something
KRAKEN SPLAT
Unstoned the RW finally, shifted equipment around again
MASMUNE
WARP to get back to the correct stairs
RW almost got exploded by TIAMAT
TIAMAT SPLAT
Oh no here comes CHAOS
DIEEEEEEEE IN PIXELS
Alright so the method for avoiding getting NUKEd to death was much better handled than the last run and the menu manipulation and overall execution was markedly improved. There's still some pointless menu fuckery but it's not nearly as bad or noticeable as the last one. I thought the last one was borderline between 'meh' and 'reject', and this one is a good deal faster even with some horrible luck here and there. He never did end up using CUR3 but the difference is measured in seconds on a run almost four hours long, so I think I can let it slide without too much worry.
I give this one a thumbs up.
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My comments:
I'm just going to say that I don't believe in using a WM over an RM, but eh.. the one reason to use WM over RM in this game is for early MT damage spell (HARM). It does so good early on because of the amount of undead that exist early in the game. But.. how many other times could a battle have gone faster using FIR2, acquired much earlier than the Zeus staff? A lot of the time the WM wasn't doing much of anything useful. At least another RM would have done more damage, and the BM spells would have been really helpful. I don't think the runner even used any other WM only spells other than HEL2 (which admittedly seemed to help a bit), and the AICE was wasted against Lich. By the time you class change, it doesn't matter anymore what your party is because you're almost guaranteed to have Knights and thus, the elemental protection spells you need you can re-acquire, and the Knights can get Cure spells as well. So, overall, I don't agree with using the WM, but w/e. I can't say how much time was saved or lost because I don't know. I guess early LIFE is good too in case you do have an unfortunate death, but meh.. consistency over speed I guess.
Other stuff:
- some pretty bad luck early on, I almost wonder if a restart would have been warranted after a few really bad instances (especially the stunlocking around the Earth Cave I believe it was)
- a few head scratchers in the Marsh Cave, why didn't you fight some of those encounters with Bones? HARM would've really paid off at that point..
- I honestly believe that the Zombie D. leveling would've been better skipped and instead level off the Eye, which you seem to be able to kill much faster, although it would have been much riskier with some of the fun spells Eye can use.. but hey, at least early LIFE sort of paid off with not having to take a trip to the Clinic to revive the RM after the Zombie D. leveling
- wow, that 7 FrWOLF ambush upon leaving Lufenia could have been disastrous, if nothing but only that it could have wasted a LOT of time if most of them used FROST, and you also could have lost BOTH Knights.. that mighta been GG right there
- equipment management looked a little awkward in the TOWER and final dungeon, but at that point in the run I can't really blame you much
- in the final dungeon.. WAY too much cautiousness.. White Robe against EARTHs? really?
- and with battles overall, I felt there were a lot of mistakes such as choosing attack instead of run, then changing your mind, etc.. compounding this is that the runner, according to the comments, pretty much knew what was coming.. is it enough to be reject worthy? not by itself, which is fine, because other than the clumsy menu manipulation in the last two dungeons and over cautiousness in the final dungeon (as well as the big blunder that almost got him killed against Chaos), I really don't have anything to complain about
Overall, I think I'll accept this, but I can understand why someone might reject it. Over a 4 hours run, I count 2 instances of really bad luck, a ton of minor mistakes during battle and hesitation in the menu (costing a lot more than the 1 minute the runner claims), and the big fuck up at the end of the run. All in all, MAYBE 10-15 minutes of wasted time, and that's not enough to reject, especially since overall the play was very good.
However, I do think someone might come along and beat this run simply because they used a second RM or third fighter rather than the WM.. the WM really didn't do much..
I'm just going to say that I don't believe in using a WM over an RM, but eh.. the one reason to use WM over RM in this game is for early MT damage spell (HARM). It does so good early on because of the amount of undead that exist early in the game. But.. how many other times could a battle have gone faster using FIR2, acquired much earlier than the Zeus staff? A lot of the time the WM wasn't doing much of anything useful. At least another RM would have done more damage, and the BM spells would have been really helpful. I don't think the runner even used any other WM only spells other than HEL2 (which admittedly seemed to help a bit), and the AICE was wasted against Lich. By the time you class change, it doesn't matter anymore what your party is because you're almost guaranteed to have Knights and thus, the elemental protection spells you need you can re-acquire, and the Knights can get Cure spells as well. So, overall, I don't agree with using the WM, but w/e. I can't say how much time was saved or lost because I don't know. I guess early LIFE is good too in case you do have an unfortunate death, but meh.. consistency over speed I guess.
Other stuff:
- some pretty bad luck early on, I almost wonder if a restart would have been warranted after a few really bad instances (especially the stunlocking around the Earth Cave I believe it was)
- a few head scratchers in the Marsh Cave, why didn't you fight some of those encounters with Bones? HARM would've really paid off at that point..
- I honestly believe that the Zombie D. leveling would've been better skipped and instead level off the Eye, which you seem to be able to kill much faster, although it would have been much riskier with some of the fun spells Eye can use.. but hey, at least early LIFE sort of paid off with not having to take a trip to the Clinic to revive the RM after the Zombie D. leveling
- wow, that 7 FrWOLF ambush upon leaving Lufenia could have been disastrous, if nothing but only that it could have wasted a LOT of time if most of them used FROST, and you also could have lost BOTH Knights.. that mighta been GG right there
- equipment management looked a little awkward in the TOWER and final dungeon, but at that point in the run I can't really blame you much
- in the final dungeon.. WAY too much cautiousness.. White Robe against EARTHs? really?
- and with battles overall, I felt there were a lot of mistakes such as choosing attack instead of run, then changing your mind, etc.. compounding this is that the runner, according to the comments, pretty much knew what was coming.. is it enough to be reject worthy? not by itself, which is fine, because other than the clumsy menu manipulation in the last two dungeons and over cautiousness in the final dungeon (as well as the big blunder that almost got him killed against Chaos), I really don't have anything to complain about
Overall, I think I'll accept this, but I can understand why someone might reject it. Over a 4 hours run, I count 2 instances of really bad luck, a ton of minor mistakes during battle and hesitation in the menu (costing a lot more than the 1 minute the runner claims), and the big fuck up at the end of the run. All in all, MAYBE 10-15 minutes of wasted time, and that's not enough to reject, especially since overall the play was very good.
However, I do think someone might come along and beat this run simply because they used a second RM or third fighter rather than the WM.. the WM really didn't do much..
Decision: Accept
Reason: Single-segment Final Fantasy!
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