FFXII - New Run Complete!

2012-03-29 08:30:38 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Yeah I suppose technically if I was to luck manipulate OHKO's I could save 30-45 seconds per Kotetsu but trying to stack an OHKO on top of a Kotetsu drop is TAS territory. Hell you would have to be a really patient TAS'er to even attempt that lol. The safe pull takes about 15 seconds and a normal fight takes another 15-20 so it's not than long. I'm just going to do it the way that will help maintain my sanity.

There's going to be enough luck manipulation in this run already. No need to make it artificially worse Smiley

Tiberius

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Tiberius: 2012-03-29 08:52:40 am

2012-03-29 08:50:06 am

Make it so.

So you don't fancy luck manipulating OHKO's on every enemy not resistant to death then? Tongue

That would only be the most boring run to watch in history!

Just to confirm, I did the same test you did on Dustia/Jellies for LP and got pretty similar results, I also did a small test on Ba'Gamnan with the conclusion that it's not worth it, I clocked it in at around 6LP per minute, with no experience etc.

EDIT: To clarify, that's taking into account the setup time of getting one of them to low health etc which you dont have to do with Dustia or the Jellies.

Youkai

2012-03-29 10:03:15 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Thanks for the verification Tiberius. I did note that my tests did not include any set up time and were "ideal" tests but still if we double or triple your LP/min to factor out the setup it's still not worth it due to no exp/loot and being slower than jellies.

Soysaucemaster

2012-03-29 10:47:09 am

Yeah, the chances of insta-killing and getting a rare drop at the same time are pretty bad. Probably worse than the rare steal from Dustia. Well, I'm almost out of ideas. Maybe picking up Hastega Motes along the way, or, at least until you can buy Hermes Sandals? Nihopalaoa isn't worth getting through the Bazaar, as it would probably take 1/2 hour to farm all the items for it. There's also the issue of LP, and I think the Remedy Lores are needed for them inflict all the statuses. It's useless against most of the remaining bosses, anyway. I think someone already mentioned it, but there's the Traveler technick, which probably wouldn't save much time. And are you using the Berserk spell, or Bacchus's Wine? I think the wine is faster, but it might have a lower chance of landing...

Reguarding Hastega Motes: There's only two chests you can get them from, before Diamond Armlet: one is in Westersand (where Lindbur Wolf spawns), the other is in Henne Mines (but nowhere near the crystal). However, there's an incredibly good chest in Draklor for farming them (in the room next to the crystal).

Yeah, the chances of insta-killing and getting a rare drop at the same time are pretty bad. Probably worse than the rare steal from Dustia. Well, I'm almost out of ideas. Maybe picking up Hastega Motes along the way, or, at least until you can buy Hermes Sandals? Nihopalaoa isn't worth getting through the Bazaar, as it would probably take 1/2 hour to farm all the items for it. There's also the issue of LP, and I think the Remedy Lores are needed for them inflict all the statuses. It's useless against most of the remaining bosses, anyway. I think someone already mentioned it, but there's the Traveler technick, which probably wouldn't save much time. And are you using the Berserk spell, or Bacchus's Wine? I think the wine is faster, but it might have a lower chance of landing...

Reguarding Hastega Motes: There's only two chests you can get them from, before Diamond Armlet: one is in Westersand (where Lindbur Wolf spawns), the other is in Henne Mines (but nowhere near the crystal). However, there's an incredibly good chest in Draklor for farming them (in the room next to the crystal).

Youkai

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Youkai: 2012-03-29 04:31:05 pm

2012-03-29 02:06:45 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Hastega Motes and Hermes Sandals would be nice but I don't think it's worth either. There's no way I could get enough to not need to License Haste and Haste doesn't take that long to cast so I'll just use it when I can get away with it and not spend the time trying to farm Motes. The reflectga motes are worth it because they are on the way anyway and the save me from having to license it. The same wouldn't be true for Hastega Motes.

You can't get Traveler until pretty late in the game so it's really not that useful especially once you get Fomalhaut. Certainly not worth trying to manipulate the 990-999 step count to make it useful.

I'm going to use the Berserk spell.

I'm actually going to get a couple of the Remedy Lore items so I can just do a Ally: Any > Remedy gambit and save some gambit slots. I'll still set specific ones for blind and maybe a couple others to save Remedies.

EDIT: Oh man I just did the First Ascent and boy was it obnoxious :/ I can tell that this is going to be a sucky part of the run to make.

Hastega Motes and Hermes Sandals would be nice but I don't think it's worth either. There's no way I could get enough to not need to License Haste and Haste doesn't take that long to cast so I'll just use it when I can get away with it and not spend the time trying to farm Motes. The reflectga motes are worth it because they are on the way anyway and the save me from having to license it. The same wouldn't be true for Hastega Motes.

You can't get Traveler until pretty late in the game so it's really not that useful especially once you get Fomalhaut. Certainly not worth trying to manipulate the 990-999 step count to make it useful.

I'm going to use the Berserk spell.

I'm actually going to get a couple of the Remedy Lore items so I can just do a Ally: Any > Remedy gambit and save some gambit slots. I'll still set specific ones for blind and maybe a couple others to save Remedies.

EDIT: Oh man I just did the First Ascent and boy was it obnoxious :/ I can tell that this is going to be a sucky part of the run to make.

Deedlit

2012-03-29 05:26:21 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Actually, you can get Traveler pretty early in Rabanastre. I think you can get it after Mimic Queen. Assuming that you can spare the 7000 gold, I think it is worth trying. You would be able to use it on only a fraction of bosses - your step count would need to be 700+ for it to be worth manipulating the 990-999 - but dealing 99x0 damage will save significant seconds early on. Not huge savings, more of an "every little bit counts" sort of thing.

Youkai

2012-03-29 08:48:31 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Ah interesting I guess I never went back and checked Rabanastre. Still I don't think it's worth it. The early bosses go down pretty quick with the Kotetsu and 7000 is quite a bit of gil. Plus I would have to do some heavy step manipulation to get it to work which is a total pain in the ass.

Some time soon I might load up that save in my practice run and see how much time it would save but it would have to be pretty significant to be worth doing I think.

Tiberius

2012-03-29 09:29:42 pm

Make it so.

Just info wise: you can get it in Rabanastre after the Leviathan not the Mimic Queen, and it costs 6700 gil.

Youkai

2012-03-29 10:02:50 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Hmm. I'm not sure it's worth it then. The soonest I could get it without going out of my way is before heading to Jahara. At that point even if I got 9999 dmg it's still not going to make a significant difference in boss fights. I only really wanted it for Mandragora's anyway but with Fomalhaut's that fight is a joke. I suppose it could make a little bit of a difference if I was really willing to manipulate the x10 damage but I don't think I am. It would only save me 3 rounds of attacks each boss fight, so about 15 seconds, at the expense of a hell of a lot of step manipulation.

Soysaucemaster

2012-03-29 10:33:28 pm

I could have sworn that the very first time you use Traveler, it does damage equal to total number of steps, without applying the formula...

Youkai

2012-03-29 10:39:10 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Not that I'm aware of. It just does the step count thing that rolls over at 1000.

Essentia, I'm curious if getting windslicer shot is worth it. I figure it will take me 2 minutes to get. Do you have any idea if it could possibly save that much time? I kind of doubt it.

Essentia

2012-03-29 10:42:11 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

Windslicer shot probably wouldn't end up saving 2 minutes, so it would only be worth it if you could get it on the way to something else (for example, get it and another type of shot in the same segment).

Youkai

2012-03-29 10:43:49 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

It's not. I looked at the map. I'd have to run in the opposite direction to get it which is why I estimate it will cost 2 minutes. I could pick up Mud shot on the way to Balfonhiem for the amount of time it costs to open a chest if that would be worth it.

Essentia

2012-03-29 10:49:47 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

In that case, Windslicer probably wouldn't be worth it. I can only recall one boss that was weak to it, anyway.

Youkai

2012-03-29 11:01:27 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Arg the Fomalhaut portion of my run is going to suck hardcore. I'll need to manipulate 3 fomalhaut and then on the way to Balfonhiem pull a Holy mote AND mud shot in the same segment. Fortunately those last two don't need the diamond armlet but they still have like a 20% chance each :/

Youkai

2012-03-30 12:19:11 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

I'm now ascending the Pharos at Ridorana in my second test run. Getting close to the end so I think I've got my run plan stabalized enough to have people look at it. Please take a look and let me know if you see any issues:

Main party: Vaan, Bash, Ashe

Augument Licenses:
Ashe: Ether Lore 1, Magic Lore, Channeling, Warmage, Channeling, Magic Lore, Gamit Slot, Channeling, Magick Lore, HP+150, Swiftness, Focus, HP+200, Battle Lore, HP+500
Balthier, Vaan: HP+50, Gamit, Battle Lore, Remedy Lore 1, Gambit, Headsman, Swiftness, HP+150, Gambit, Swiftness, (get Phoenix Down lore in here somewhere), Remedy Lore 3, +200 HP, Battle Lore, +500 HP, Swiftness, Battle Lore, Shield Block, Battle Lore
Fomalhaut: Daggers 2, Poles 1, Crossbows 1, Poles 2, Poles 3, Poles 4, daggers 5, Poles 5, Crossbows 4, Guns 6

Start game.
Change settings
Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight.
Battle Remora
Finish out Recks stuff.
Battle Rats
Trigger Cutscene in front of Migellos
The Sandsea
Get Hunt
Battle Tomato
Talk to Kytes at the gate
Get chest in front of Dalan's
Talk to Dalan
Save Southgate
Get all treasure chests between here and return to the Rabanastre
Talk to Masyua
Find Jinn
Save Giza Plains
Get Sunstone
Unequip all gear
Return to Rabanastre
Talk to Dalan
Sell everything but Phoenix Down, and a couple potions
Buy Phoenix Down
Save Westgate
Damage down to under 10%
Dustia Leveling - to 300LP
Save Westgate
Meet Kytes in lowtown
Go through sewers
Sneak past imperials
Secret passage
Join with Balthier and Fran
License and equip Fire Staves
Battle soldiers
Battle flan
Battle Firemane
Fight bangaa
Touch switch
Get Fuse
Buy ally HP < 50% gambit
Buy Blizard, Blind, Protect
Use Fuse
Run through passage
Mimic Queen
Hunters Camp
Teleport to Rabanastre
Talk to Dalan
Talk to Balzak
The Sandsea
Turn in Hunt
Buy Charge
Moogle warp to Southgate
Save Giza Plains
Kotetsu x3
Switch Basch for Balthier
License and equip Kotetsu's
Moogle warp to Westgate
Airship
Save Lhusu Square
Into the mine
Out of the mine
Testify
Talk to the Marquis
Save Leviathan - Port Launch
Reflectga mote
Defeat Judges
Get Ashe
Buy Eyedrops
Buy Reflect, Dark, Gamit: Self
Save Brig No. 1
Reflectga mote
Get Penelo
Switch Ashe for Fran, equip up
License Penelo and Balthier with dark for garuda
Battle Judge Ghis
Talk to Ondore
Run through Sandsea
Save before Garuda
Put Balthier and Penelo in party and reflect up
Battle Garuda
Buy Oil, Raise, Cura, Berzerk
License Ashe with Cura and Gamit it
License Ashe with Berzerk
Run from first Demon Wall
Battle second Demon Wall - have eyedrops
Battle Belias
Get Dawn Shard
Save outside Tomb
Battle Vossler
Moogle warp to Southgate
Get Chocobo
Jahara
Talk to the High-Chief
Talk to the War-Chief
Talk to the Elder
Save
Buy Chocobo
Get Gold Amulet
Wild Chocobo
Eruyt Village
Cutscene
Teleport Jahara
Unequip people
Sell equipment
Buy Shield Armor x3, Red Cap x3, Onion Shot x2
Save Jahara
Get Gold Amulet
Henne Mines
Run through mines
Save
Give Ashe charge
Battle Tiamat
Location Eyrut village
Buy Gold Amulet, Fira, Haste, Esuna, Float, Curaga (Curaga and Float can wait if I don't have the money)
Run through the Feywood
Bur-Omisace
Touch Bur-Omisace Teleport stone
Cutscene
Chocobo to Stilshrine of Miriam
Save
Gear up for Jelly chaining - Equip Flame Staves, Charge
Teleport to mines
Jelly chaining
Equip up. Spend LP
Teleport to Stilshrine of Miriam
Save
Equip the dawn shard on not-Ashe
Go through the shrine
Battle Vinuskar
Battle Mateus - Test getting inferno chain here at the beginning
Teleport Bur-Omisace
Save
Battle Bergan
Teleport Rabanastre
Airship to Nalbina - Buy Gyshal greens x5
Buy Gamibits: Foe: Highest max HP, Foe: Lowest HP, Ally HP < 30
Buy Dispel - Do I need this?
Chocobo
To Forest
Moogles
Hunters Camp - Buy Gokku Pole x3, Gold needles, Remedies
Get Hunt ? ? ?
Touch Tchita uplands warp crystal
Save Tchita Uplands save crystal
Diamond Armlet from the chest in Tchita Uplands/Garden of Life's Circle
Chocobo to save in Cerobi Steppe
Fomalhaut's x3
Re-equip the Golden Amulet
Run to Balfohem - get Holy Mote (2 chest options) and Mud Shot along the way
Teleport to Tchita Uplands
Area Sochen Cave Palace
Battle Mandragoras
Kill crystal / Save Sochen Cave Palace - Skip?
Run
Equip Gokku Pole
Battle Ahriman - Gun resistance
Save Skybent Chamber
Old Archades
Talk to Vulger after transition
Talk to Jules
Talk to Beasley
Talk to Jules
Archades
Stupid talking quest thing for chops
Gentleman Onlooker
Eager Crier
Senior Researcher
Researcher
Asipring Starlet
Faded Star
Philosiher of Cuisine
Dangerous Chef
Tarot Reader
Happy Novelist
Lucky Man
Romantic Lady
Lazy Profiter
Researchers Wife
Determined Researcher
Athletic Woman
Avid Reader
Taxi
Cutscenes
Save Tsenobile
Ride transport
Switches and things
Save 70th floor
Fight Cid - Gun resistance
Balfohem Port
Buy Carabeener Mail x3, Theif's Cap x3 - Viking coat?
Buy Pheonis Down, X-Potion, Vaccine, Firaga
Teleport Bur-Omisace
Chocobo
Save Before fight
Battle Rafflesia
Run through woods
Give Gigas license to someone and summon for the gate
Save Gate of Earth
Battle Daedalus
Run Through Giruvegan
Save Water-Steps
Battle Tyrant
Save Crystal Core
Battle Shemhazai
Balfonhem Port
Stral to The Ridorana Cataract
Save Path hidden blessing
Battle Hydro
Save The Wellspring
Pharos
Black Orbs x3
Battle Pandeaemonium - Delay Perfect Defense with Holy mote
Save The Wellspring
Pharos first ascent
Save Horizon's Break
Battle Slyt
Save The Reach
Pharos second ascent
Altar of Wealth
Save Reach of the Damned
Battle Fenrir
Save Reach of the Occult
Battle Hashal
Save Third Ascent
Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS)
Battle Cid/Famfrit - Test reflect + Firaga for Famfrit - Have viking coats or just switch in reserve party members for waterja?
Area Balfonhiem
Upgrade armor
Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS)
Battle Vayne
Battle Vayne Novus - defeat before Tree of Sephira
Battle The Undying

Also I need to make sure I'm using the optimal boss strategies and make sure I'm collecting everything I'll need over the course of the run to do them. I'm sure all of these aren't going to be optimal since I haven't really researched them yet so feel free to let me know if you have some tips. Also you can assume that Vaan and Basch will be Berzerk/Hasted as soon as I have the spells unless I specify otherwise.

Remora
Rats
Tomato
Flan
Firemane
Mimic Queen - I don't think Blizzard saves me enough time to make it worth licensing it so nothing
Judges - Kill judges first to end battle
Judge Ghis - Just attack him to end battle
Garuda - Reflectga Mote + Dark
Second Demon Wall - Have eyedrops
Belias
Vossler - You can't start this fight berzerked. Is it worth casting it mid fight?
Tiamat - Berzerk Tiamat to prevent his specials.
Vinuskar
Mateus - Test getting inferno chain here at the beginning, could it destroy the Ice Azers?
Bergan - Kill 3 normal judges first.
Mandragoras - Fomalhaut destroys them.
Ahriman - Gokku Pole
Cid
Rafflesia
Daedalus
Tyrant
Shemhazai - Essentia used dispel but I don't think I need it. I destroyed him on the test run with Fomalhaut's
Hydro - Kite him to prevent attacks
Pandeaemonium - Delay Perfect Defense with Holy mote
Slyt - Reflectga Mote + Fira
Fenrir
Hashal
Gabranth - Remove Bash for the CS
Cid/Famfrit - Test reflect + Firaga for Famfrit - Have viking coats or just switch in reserve party members to die to waterja?
Gabranth - Remove Bash for the CS
Vayne
Vayne Novus - defeat before Tree of Sephira
The Undying

I'm now ascending the Pharos at Ridorana in my second test run. Getting close to the end so I think I've got my run plan stabalized enough to have people look at it. Please take a look and let me know if you see any issues:
[hidden="Run Plan"]Main party: Vaan, Bash, Ashe

Augument Licenses:
Ashe: Ether Lore 1, Magic Lore, Channeling, Warmage, Channeling, Magic Lore, Gamit Slot, Channeling, Magick Lore, HP+150, Swiftness, Focus, HP+200, Battle Lore, HP+500
Balthier, Vaan: HP+50, Gamit, Battle Lore, Remedy Lore 1, Gambit, Headsman, Swiftness, HP+150, Gambit, Swiftness, (get Phoenix Down lore in here somewhere), Remedy Lore 3, +200 HP, Battle Lore, +500 HP, Swiftness, Battle Lore, Shield Block, Battle Lore
Fomalhaut: Daggers 2, Poles 1, Crossbows 1, Poles 2, Poles 3, Poles 4, daggers 5, Poles 5, Crossbows 4, Guns 6

Start game.
Change settings
Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight.
Battle Remora
Finish out Recks stuff.
Battle Rats
Trigger Cutscene in front of Migellos
The Sandsea
Get Hunt
Battle Tomato
Talk to Kytes at the gate
Get chest in front of Dalan's
Talk to Dalan
Save Southgate
Get all treasure chests between here and return to the Rabanastre
Talk to Masyua
Find Jinn
Save Giza Plains
Get Sunstone
Unequip all gear
Return to Rabanastre
Talk to Dalan
Sell everything but Phoenix Down, and a couple potions
Buy Phoenix Down
Save Westgate
Damage down to under 10%
Dustia Leveling - to 300LP
Save Westgate
Meet Kytes in lowtown
Go through sewers
Sneak past imperials
Secret passage
Join with Balthier and Fran
License and equip Fire Staves
Battle soldiers
Battle flan
Battle Firemane
Fight bangaa
Touch switch
Get Fuse
Buy ally HP < 50% gambit
Buy Blizard, Blind, Protect
Use Fuse
Run through passage
Mimic Queen
Hunters Camp
Teleport to Rabanastre
Talk to Dalan
Talk to Balzak
The Sandsea
Turn in Hunt
Buy Charge
Moogle warp to Southgate
Save Giza Plains
Kotetsu x3
Switch Basch for Balthier
License and equip Kotetsu's
Moogle warp to Westgate
Airship
Save Lhusu Square
Into the mine
Out of the mine
Testify
Talk to the Marquis
Save Leviathan - Port Launch
Reflectga mote
Defeat Judges
Get Ashe
Buy Eyedrops
Buy Reflect, Dark, Gamit: Self
Save Brig No. 1
Reflectga mote
Get Penelo
Switch Ashe for Fran, equip up
License Penelo and Balthier with dark for garuda
Battle Judge Ghis
Talk to Ondore
Run through Sandsea
Save before Garuda
Put Balthier and Penelo in party and reflect up
Battle Garuda
Buy Oil, Raise, Cura, Berzerk
License Ashe with Cura and Gamit it
License Ashe with Berzerk
Run from first Demon Wall
Battle second Demon Wall - have eyedrops
Battle Belias
Get Dawn Shard
Save outside Tomb
Battle Vossler
Moogle warp to Southgate
Get Chocobo
Jahara
Talk to the High-Chief
Talk to the War-Chief
Talk to the Elder
Save
Buy Chocobo
Get Gold Amulet
Wild Chocobo
Eruyt Village
Cutscene
Teleport Jahara
Unequip people
Sell equipment
Buy Shield Armor x3, Red Cap x3, Onion Shot x2
Save Jahara
Get Gold Amulet
Henne Mines
Run through mines
Save
Give Ashe charge
Battle Tiamat
Location Eyrut village
Buy Gold Amulet, Fira, Haste, Esuna, Float, Curaga (Curaga and Float can wait if I don't have the money)
Run through the Feywood
Bur-Omisace
Touch Bur-Omisace Teleport stone
Cutscene
Chocobo to Stilshrine of Miriam
Save
Gear up for Jelly chaining - Equip Flame Staves, Charge
Teleport to mines
Jelly chaining
Equip up. Spend LP
Teleport to Stilshrine of Miriam
Save
Equip the dawn shard on not-Ashe
Go through the shrine
Battle Vinuskar
Battle Mateus - Test getting inferno chain here at the beginning
Teleport Bur-Omisace
Save
Battle Bergan
Teleport Rabanastre
Airship to Nalbina - Buy Gyshal greens x5
Buy Gamibits: Foe: Highest max HP, Foe: Lowest HP, Ally HP < 30
Buy Dispel - Do I need this?
Chocobo
To Forest
Moogles
Hunters Camp - Buy Gokku Pole x3, Gold needles, Remedies
Get Hunt ? ? ?
Touch Tchita uplands warp crystal
Save Tchita Uplands save crystal
Diamond Armlet from the chest in Tchita Uplands/Garden of Life's Circle
Chocobo to save in Cerobi Steppe
Fomalhaut's x3
Re-equip the Golden Amulet
Run to Balfohem - get Holy Mote (2 chest options) and Mud Shot along the way
Teleport to Tchita Uplands
Area Sochen Cave Palace
Battle Mandragoras
Kill crystal / Save Sochen Cave Palace - Skip?
Run
Equip Gokku Pole
Battle Ahriman - Gun resistance
Save Skybent Chamber
Old Archades
Talk to Vulger after transition
Talk to Jules
Talk to Beasley
Talk to Jules
Archades
Stupid talking quest thing for chops
Gentleman Onlooker
Eager Crier
Senior Researcher
Researcher
Asipring Starlet
Faded Star
Philosiher of Cuisine
Dangerous Chef
Tarot Reader
Happy Novelist
Lucky Man
Romantic Lady
Lazy Profiter
Researchers Wife
Determined Researcher
Athletic Woman
Avid Reader
Taxi
Cutscenes
Save Tsenobile
Ride transport
Switches and things
Save 70th floor
Fight Cid - Gun resistance
Balfohem Port
Buy Carabeener Mail x3, Theif's Cap x3 - Viking coat?
Buy Pheonis Down, X-Potion, Vaccine, Firaga
Teleport Bur-Omisace
Chocobo
Save Before fight
Battle Rafflesia
Run through woods
Give Gigas license to someone and summon for the gate
Save Gate of Earth
Battle Daedalus
Run Through Giruvegan
Save Water-Steps
Battle Tyrant
Save Crystal Core
Battle Shemhazai
Balfonhem Port
Stral to The Ridorana Cataract
Save Path hidden blessing
Battle Hydro
Save The Wellspring
Pharos
Black Orbs x3
Battle Pandeaemonium - Delay Perfect Defense with Holy mote
Save The Wellspring
Pharos first ascent
Save Horizon's Break
Battle Slyt
Save The Reach
Pharos second ascent
Altar of Wealth
Save Reach of the Damned
Battle Fenrir
Save Reach of the Occult
Battle Hashal
Save Third Ascent
Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS)
Battle Cid/Famfrit - Test reflect + Firaga for Famfrit - Have viking coats or just switch in reserve party members for waterja?
Area Balfonhiem
Upgrade armor
Battle Gabranth (Remove Bash for the CS)
Battle Vayne
Battle Vayne Novus - defeat before Tree of Sephira
Battle The Undying[/hidden]
Also I need to make sure I'm using the optimal boss strategies and make sure I'm collecting everything I'll need over the course of the run to do them. I'm sure all of these aren't going to be optimal since I haven't really researched them yet so feel free to let me know if you have some tips. Also you can assume that Vaan and Basch will be Berzerk/Hasted as soon as I have the spells unless I specify otherwise.
[hidden="Boss Strategies"]Remora
Rats
Tomato
Flan
Firemane
Mimic Queen - I don't think Blizzard saves me enough time to make it worth licensing it so nothing
Judges - Kill judges first to end battle
Judge Ghis - Just attack him to end battle
Garuda - Reflectga Mote + Dark
Second Demon Wall - Have eyedrops
Belias
Vossler - You can't start this fight berzerked. Is it worth casting it mid fight?
Tiamat - Berzerk Tiamat to prevent his specials.
Vinuskar
Mateus - Test getting inferno chain here at the beginning, could it destroy the Ice Azers?
Bergan - Kill 3 normal judges first.
Mandragoras - Fomalhaut destroys them.
Ahriman - Gokku Pole
Cid
Rafflesia
Daedalus
Tyrant
Shemhazai - Essentia used dispel but I don't think I need it. I destroyed him on the test run with Fomalhaut's
Hydro - Kite him to prevent attacks
Pandeaemonium - Delay Perfect Defense with Holy mote
Slyt - Reflectga Mote + Fira
Fenrir
Hashal
Gabranth - Remove Bash for the CS
Cid/Famfrit - Test reflect + Firaga for Famfrit - Have viking coats or just switch in reserve party members to die to waterja?
Gabranth - Remove Bash for the CS
Vayne
Vayne Novus - defeat before Tree of Sephira
The Undying[/hidden]

Deedlit

2012-03-30 07:39:05 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Some quick comments:

"Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight." I assume you're talking about the tutorial fight. This doesn't seem worth it to me. How can he distract you? Even if he hits you in the back, you just keep fighting the Remora.

I don't know about getting every chest on the return to Rabanastre, it seems better to pick and choose those that have high reward.

Dustia levelling to 300LP - that's quite a lot. Is that to equip the Kotetsu's?

Is Float actually worth getting on a speed run? You can avoid any traps without it.

I wonder if the airship to Nalbina can be avoided, seems like it would add quite a bit of time.

Get Hunt ? ? ? What is the hunt for?

Youkai

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Youkai: 2012-03-30 07:55:12 pm

2012-03-30 07:52:24 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Quote from Deedlit:

"Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight." I assume you're talking about the tutorial fight. This doesn't seem worth it to me. How can he distract you? Even if he hits you in the back, you just keep fighting the Remora.

It seems a little weird I'm sure but I'll be on the fastest battle speed so if I just wait until I hit him and the run past the other men in my group will kill him in one round. So if I pause for literally 1 or 2 seconds before triggering Remora he won't be there wasting the attack rounds of my allies. He is going to die either way so it's faster to kill him before Remora.

Quote from Deedlit:

I don't know about getting every chest on the return to Rabanastre, it seems better to pick and choose those that have high reward.

I mean any chest I don't have to go more than a few seconds out of my way to get. I'm not going to go to another map or in a very wrong direction for one more PD.

Quote from Deedlit:

Dustia levelling to 300LP - that's quite a lot. Is that to equip the Kotetsu's?

Actually that's how many LP I need to farm to be able to have Fira for everyone by Jellies. On my practice run my first round of jelly farming was stuipid slow so I need to avoid that. Dustia is probably some of the best LP/min I can get before Jellies and it's also the most exp/min in the game at that level so I'm going to spend a little extra time there to make jellies go better. I had 200 LP by the time I got done this practice run so it's only 33 more Dustia kills.

Quote from Deedlit:

Is Float actually worth getting on a speed run? You can avoid any traps without it.

It doesn't cost much time and it means I don't have to go out of my way to avoid them. Also you use it for one of the boss fights to avoid Quakeja. I suppose if there is a convenient float mote I might do that instead but a lot of the traps near the end of the game are almost instant death and if any party member walks over it it goes off.

Quote from Deedlit:

I wonder if the airship to Nalbina can be avoided, seems like it would add quite a bit of time.

It can't. I could go to Nalbina instead of the hunters camp after Barhiem Passage to activate the warp crystal there but I have to ride an airship at some point to get the Gyshal Greens.

Quote from Deedlit:

Get Hunt ? ? ? What is the hunt for?

It gives you a key to open the door in Sochen Cave Palace which let's you into the Mandragora fight and later through to Archedes.

[quote="Deedlit"]"Kill man so he doesn't distract the next fight." I assume you're talking about the tutorial fight.  This doesn't seem worth it to me.  How can he distract you?  Even if he hits you in the back, you just keep fighting the Remora.[/quote]It seems a little weird I'm sure but I'll be on the fastest battle speed so if I just wait until I hit him and the run past the other men in my group will kill him in one round. So if I pause for literally 1 or 2 seconds before triggering Remora he won't be there wasting the attack rounds of my allies. He is going to die either way so it's faster to kill him before Remora.

[quote="Deedlit"]I don't know about getting every chest on the return to Rabanastre,  it seems better to pick and choose those that have high reward.[/quote]I mean any chest I don't have to go more than a few seconds out of my way to get. I'm not going to go to another map or in a very wrong direction for one more PD.

[quote="Deedlit"]Dustia levelling to 300LP - that's quite a lot.  Is that to equip the Kotetsu's?[/quote]Actually that's how many LP I need to farm to be able to have Fira for everyone by Jellies. On my practice run my first round of jelly farming was stuipid slow so I need to avoid that. Dustia is probably some of the best LP/min I can get before Jellies and it's also the most exp/min in the game at that level so I'm going to spend a little extra time there to make jellies go better. I had 200 LP by the time I got done this practice run so it's only 33 more Dustia kills.

[quote="Deedlit"]Is Float actually worth getting on a speed run?  You can avoid any traps without it.[/quote]It doesn't cost much time and it means I don't have to go out of my way to avoid them. Also you use it for one of the boss fights to avoid Quakeja. I suppose if there is a convenient float mote I might do that instead but a lot of the traps near the end of the game are almost instant death and if any party member walks over it it goes off.

[quote="Deedlit"]I wonder if the airship to Nalbina can be avoided, seems like it would add quite a bit of time.[/quote]It can't. I could go to Nalbina instead of the hunters camp after Barhiem Passage to activate the warp crystal there but I have to ride an airship at some point to get the Gyshal Greens.

[quote="Deedlit"]Get Hunt ? ? ?  What is the hunt for?[/quote]It gives you a key to open the door in Sochen Cave Palace which let's you into the Mandragora fight and later through to Archedes.

Essentia

2012-03-30 09:33:59 pm

Everything's better with Magitek

Quote from Youkai:

Quote from Deedlit:

Is Float actually worth getting on a speed run? You can avoid any traps without it.

It doesn't cost much time and it means I don't have to go out of my way to avoid them. Also you use it for one of the boss fights to avoid Quakeja. I suppose if there is a convenient float mote I might do that instead but a lot of the traps near the end of the game are almost instant death and if any party member walks over it it goes off.

Jellies can drop float motes, so you should get plenty of them during Jelly farming and not ever need to use the float spell.

Youkai

2012-03-30 09:42:05 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Ah good point. Ok then I'll cross that off the list. I think I sold mine in the practice run but I won't in the live one.

Soysaucemaster

2012-03-31 02:48:48 am

Quote from Youkai:

I mean any chest I don't have to go more than a few seconds out of my way to get. I'm not going to go to another map or in a very wrong direction for one more PD.

The chests in Westersand give a lot more money. Instant 1000 Gil where Linbur Wolf spawns, if you want to manipulate 2 chests before grinding on Dustia. All the other chests, in that first zone, can give over 100 Gil (one of them can also give a PD). There's also the Small Package you can get from a Bangaa, before doing Rogue Tomato. That sells for 150.

Youkai

2012-03-31 10:36:32 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

The thing is I need the money for the first round of Dustia farming i.e. to buy PD's in Rabanastre. I will get loot from Dustia for after that. So the only time I could try to manipulate those is before Rogue Tomato and I don't think it's worth it then.

Soysaucemaster

2012-03-31 03:58:20 pm

You could try stealing, then.

Estersand:
-Pointy Hats can be stolen from Wolves, they sell for 150.
-Broadswords can be stolen from Cactites, they sell for 200.

Giza:
-Leather Breastplates can be stolen from Wild Snakes, they sell for 150.
-Your best bet is to try stealing from the Werewolves, since you go through that zone twice for the Sunstone sidequest, anyway. Quality Hides are the common steal, too. They sell for 384.

Youkai

2012-03-31 04:53:54 pm

Don't know what to speedrun :(

I don't know if it's worth stealing from the Estersand. I'm not going to do it because it will be really late in the segment and cost me damage which can get pretty close on the Tomato.

I plan on stealing two quality hides during the Sunstone part and manipulating at one Escutcheon from the chest there. Other than that I might have Vaan steal from some random stuff after the save if I can manage it.

Youkai

2012-04-01 11:11:06 am

Don't know what to speedrun :(

Ok just got done with Cid/Famfrit. OMFG how is that not the final boss . . . That fight is crazy. I had to use some really heavy luck manipulation, quicksaves, and about 3 different strategies to finally eek out a win; oh and a 14 quickening chain after Famfrit which left Cid with about 3 attack rounds of health. Granted I didn't have Viking Coats but still it was brutal. I think I'm going to have to hold on to my Gokku pole and see if they do better on Cid after Famfrit than the Fomalhaut does. I went through 50 XPotions on the fight too; crazy.

Also Essentia I don't know if you ever tested it or not after you put the comment in your test run video but Reflect+Firaga works on Famfrit. I'm going to farm two reflectga motes which are going to be used on Slyt and Famfrit. I think I'm going to stick with just using Penelo and Balthier to Reflect+Fira for Garuda.