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3l3ktr0

2014-01-23 09:04:45 am

The new "route" for Pride and Big sexy beast Smiley

And the music of the level Treacherous Footing is ♥♥♥♥♥♥ awesome Shocked

Gamingnerd

2014-01-23 03:43:14 pm

....this is very interesting...my patterns are nothing like those at all! They're consistent, but completely different than in those videos. I may have to spam them to see how many possible patterns each one produces. You get roughly 70% chance of one pattern and 30% of another.

Got a new PB of 32:04...getting closer to sub-30. http://www.twitch.tv/gn_ver2/c/3599181

3l3ktr0

2014-01-24 08:21:35 am

Oh ... maybe it's a random seed based on our Steam ID ...

I did a 29:30 and a 28:46 for the moment, MUCH FAILS ♥♥♥

Gamingnerd

2014-01-24 03:54:24 pm

Did some research on the now, "semi"-RNG of these two levels.

Both these levels have 2 sets of numbers of execution. The first half of the numbers are pretty much set after a couple runs through the level, the second half however, are the randomly generated ones with each play. Each spawn position is identified by a number. With 10 runs each I've come up with the set first-half patterns that my particular game produces:

Pope Patterns
1,2,4;1,5,2
1,2,5;4,5,2
1,2,4;1,4,5
1,3,5;1,4,5
1,2,4;1,5,4
1,3,5;3,2,5
1,3,5;3,2,1
1,3,5;1,4,2
1,3,5;1,4,1
1,3,5;1,2,1

With the Pope level my game started with a 1,2,4- pattern and then gradually changed to a 1,3,5- pattern as I kept doing attempts. The 4th spawn appears to also be set, but not as strong as the first three spawns. A 1,2,4 pattern almost never showed up again when the 1,3,5 pattern started popping up more often, making that the starting pattern with just about every attempt.

Beast Patterns
1,2,4,1,3;2,4,3,2...
1,2,6,1,3;2,1,2,1,5,3
1,2,6,1,6;5,3,2,5,2...
1,2,6,1,6;2,3,2,5...
1,2,6,1,6;2,5,6,2...
1,2,6,1,6;2,4,3,1...
1,2,6,1,6;2,5,1,2,5,2
1,2,6,1,6;4,5,1,2...
1,2,6,1,2;4,5,1,2,6
1,2,6,1,6;2,5,3,2,5,2

This Beast pattern has 5 out of 10 runes at set spawns. The game set a 1,2,6,1,6- pattern after just the 2nd attempt at the level, with the rest of the spawns being randomized.

These are, of course, the patterns I get for my game, so they may be different on yours but I can guess the same system applies.

Did some research on the now, "semi"-RNG of these two levels.

Both these levels have 2 sets of numbers of execution. The first half of the numbers are pretty much set after a couple runs through the level, the second half however, are the randomly generated ones with each play. Each spawn position is identified by a number. With 10 runs each I've come up with the set first-half patterns that my particular game produces:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/eLj7oVs.png[/img]
Pope Patterns
1,2,4;1,5,2
1,2,5;4,5,2
1,2,4;1,4,5
1,3,5;1,4,5
1,2,4;1,5,4
1,3,5;3,2,5
1,3,5;3,2,1
1,3,5;1,4,2
1,3,5;1,4,1
1,3,5;1,2,1

With the Pope level my game started with a 1,2,4- pattern and then gradually changed to a 1,3,5- pattern as I kept doing attempts. The 4th spawn appears to also be set, but not as strong as the first three spawns. A 1,2,4 pattern almost never showed up again when the 1,3,5 pattern started popping up more often, making that the starting pattern with just about every attempt.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/LvAVTox.png[/img]
Beast Patterns
1,2,4,1,3;2,4,3,2...
1,2,6,1,3;2,1,2,1,5,3
1,2,6,1,6;5,3,2,5,2...
1,2,6,1,6;2,3,2,5...
1,2,6,1,6;2,5,6,2...
1,2,6,1,6;2,4,3,1...
1,2,6,1,6;2,5,1,2,5,2
1,2,6,1,6;4,5,1,2...
1,2,6,1,2;4,5,1,2,6
1,2,6,1,6;2,5,3,2,5,2

This Beast pattern has 5 out of 10 runes at set spawns. The game set a 1,2,6,1,6- pattern after just the 2nd attempt at the level, with the rest of the spawns being randomized.

These are, of course, the patterns I get for my game, so they may be different on yours but I can guess the same system applies.

3l3ktr0

2014-01-25 08:05:17 am

Lord Jesus whyyyyy T_T

I've done 27:44 and i died at the last boss with this ♥♥♥♥ missiles (that i always avoid ... without stress) and i lost 50s T_T Bye new WR x)

Champloo

2014-01-25 11:00:18 am

Patterns for the first pope fight should be based on your position when the rune is spawning unless they patched that out. It's not really a pattern, though, so you should have no problem manipulating the spawns for faster times.

Good luck on the Beast though, that one seems quite random.

MaasBiolabs

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MaasBiolabs: 2014-01-25 12:12:51 pm

2014-01-25 12:12:34 pm

Nice work on the new routes Elektro! The new pope route is (for me, anyway) much easier than the old one, so that's good. Beast seems very consistent as long as you're fast on the first few runes. Did my first run for a month and got a 30:31, so that's not bad for a de-rust. Getting a WR now will be tougher than before as we no longer have the glitch that lets you stomp through the floor in the world 3 level (I forget the name), so are we counting 27:03 as the old WR, or the WR for a particular version? Sorry if obvious question; this is still my first speedrunning game, not sure what the "convention" is when a game gets updated!

3l3ktr0

2014-01-25 03:04:40 pm

Currently the best time (of overall version) is 27:00, by me and not the 27:04 which is at 2k view while my run is at 500 T_T, on the version 1.04 (with the glitch that you talked).

So i think the 27:00 is not "valid" now (like all the previous runs) ^^ But i'm on the way to do a sub 27m, maybe tomorow :p

Sigsig

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Sigsig: 2014-01-25 03:13:39 pm

Sigsig: 2014-01-25 03:09:49 pm

2014-01-25 03:08:13 pm

Here's my pattern for the bosses.

<POPE>

How you do it doesn't matter much as long as you can land all 5 missiles on him before the 1st laser cycle ends.
But you have to do it quick cause the missiles will go through the Pope if he has already returned to his starting position thus triggering the spinning laser phase.
I'll use the map GamingNerd posted.

a) stomp once
b) 5
c) 4
d) stomp once
e) 5
f) stomp once (or I like to call it stomp on 2 missiles)
g) 4
h) 5

This method works I think maybe 80-90% of the time. Step g to h may fail sometimes if the timing isn't accurate, still not sure about the exact timing
so that's why I try to stomp two missiles and immediately jump to No.4 spot, think that timing has the most ok success rate.
Unless someone finds a more unusual strat, I say that the fastest time for W1-14 will not go under 32:700.

<RUNES>

My route isn't very fast just using this route cause it was easy to discover and memorize. Here's how it goes using the map above again.

a) Stomp Twice
b) 2
c) 6
d) 2
e) 4
f) 6
g) 3
h) 5
i) 4
j) 3
k) stomp once
l) 6
m) stomp twice
n) 5

Only part that you have to be careful is step d. You have to make a tiny delay before you grab the rune, if you see my video you will see that
I will do a small jump before getting it because if you grab it immediately, the next rune will spawn at 1. I almost never failed with this method, just considering it my safe route Tongue

Clear time for this route depends on how fast you move but it's usually between 22:600 ~ 24:000.

About any% runs...

I've been practicing some runs as well though not succeeding much LOL. I'm thinking that if a perfect no screw-up run is performed sub 25:30 seems possible.

Here's my pattern for the bosses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSySk5sA5cA&feature=youtu.be

<POPE>

How you do it doesn't matter much as long as you can land all 5 missiles on him before the 1st laser cycle ends.
But you have to do it quick cause the missiles will go through the Pope if he has already returned to his starting position thus triggering the spinning laser phase.
I'll use the map GamingNerd posted.

a) stomp once
b) 5
c) 4
d) stomp once
e) 5
f) stomp once (or I like to call it stomp on 2 missiles)
g) 4
h) 5

This method works I think maybe 80-90% of the time. Step g to h may fail sometimes if the timing isn't accurate, still not sure about the exact timing 
so that's why I try to stomp two missiles and immediately jump to No.4 spot, think that timing has the most ok success rate.
Unless someone finds a more unusual strat, I say that the fastest time for W1-14 will not go under 32:700.

<RUNES>

My route isn't very fast just using this route cause it was easy to discover and memorize. Here's how it goes using the map above again.

a) Stomp Twice
b) 2
c) 6
d) 2
e) 4
f) 6
g) 3
h) 5
i) 4
j) 3
k) stomp once
l) 6
m) stomp twice
n) 5

Only part that you have to be careful is step d. You have to make a tiny delay before you grab the rune, if you see my video you will see that
I will do a small jump before getting it because if you grab it immediately, the next rune will spawn at 1. I almost never failed with this method, just considering it my safe route :P
Clear time for this route depends on how fast you move but it's usually between 22:600 ~ 24:000.

About any% runs...

I've been practicing some runs as well though not succeeding much LOL. I'm thinking that if a perfect no screw-up run is performed sub 25:30 seems possible.

3l3ktr0

2014-01-25 03:17:19 pm

Thank you for this tutorial Cheesy

I have some troubles too on the steps g and h for the Pope Level ... i don't know why, maybe the facing (right/left) when we take the missile and certainly a specific timing ...

I will try your route for the Runes just to see if it's more consistent than my route Smiley

Good luck for any% with all your nice times on every level, I think we will have a serious competitor x)
A question, about your comment on Youtube and the "stomp lag trick", it's possible to do it on this version ? Bec

3l3ktr0

2014-01-25 03:17:51 pm

*ause I tried but without success Sad

Sigsig

2014-01-25 03:32:21 pm

Quote from 3l3ktr0:

A question, about your comment on Youtube and the "stomp lag trick", it's possible to do it on this version ?

Yes it still works fine in this version. Grin

Freddeh

2014-01-25 03:37:42 pm

So I'm going to start getting into this game as well, seems like fun, and the music is awesomesause. Its also a nice change of pace from the RPGs I usually run.

Thats a really nice find on the 'random' spawns trick, I've just spent the last 25 minutes trying to get that thing down for the pope, and will have to figure out the other one later before starting some runs.

Good stuff in here guys <3.

Robrock55

2014-01-26 11:22:13 am

Sub35 today !

For the pride, 3 3 2 2 3
For Big sexy beast, I'm still looking for the best pattern for me. Currently, I'm stomping before the first rune appearance, then I stomp the 6 next runes.

3l3ktr0

2014-01-26 12:29:50 pm

Sub ... 35 ? I have some trouble to believe it ... need to see the video.

For me, i've done a 26:58,75 ! After 6 hours today x) The video is uploading on Youtube ^^

Robrock55

2014-01-26 01:56:46 pm

It's sub 35min, not sub26:35 x)
I only had 18 hours of gaming and it's my first speed run ^^ I wanted to sub35 for january.

But I always forget to make videos or lives. I probably should

3l3ktr0

2014-01-26 01:58:44 pm

Oh shit o_O I'm sorry, i think i'm going crazy x) ...
Sorry, sorry, my brain is dead ^^'

Robrock55

2014-01-26 02:00:36 pm

You're playing to much :p

3l3ktr0

2014-01-27 05:56:29 am

26:28 !

MaasBiolabs

2014-01-27 09:23:25 am

Wow - how close to "perfect" is that run, given the current strats? That's a damned good time.

3l3ktr0

2014-01-27 11:17:46 am

I've done W1 and 2 ~95% perfect but some fails on W3 (70% perfect i think)
Sub 26 is really possible !

Robrock55

2014-01-28 10:30:55 am

Need video !

Could you please post your time for each world ?

3l3ktr0

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3l3ktr0: 2014-01-28 10:42:01 am

2014-01-28 10:37:14 am

!

W1 : 8:18;68 (Best 8:15,54)
W2 : 16:18,49 (Best 7:59,81)
W3 : 26:28,24 (Best 10:01,15)

Freddeh

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Freddeh: 2014-01-28 01:42:11 pm

2014-01-28 12:58:55 pm

I have a while to go, but i just posted my second run (after a terrible first run of over 50 minutes) of 38:05. Practice makes perfect!

EDIT: Make that 36:13...sub 35 is but a not fail run away! Going to be rather tough to catch your ridiculous time though electro!

3l3ktr0

2014-01-31 02:43:22 am

25:52,33 ! Grin

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