Dishonored

2014-07-03 06:11:49 pm

Hey guys been trying to get back into this game after watching the sgdq race! I was practicing this game a bit and stopped a little after agdq. Lots of cool stuff discovered in such a short time!

After watching the new any% guide was wondering about noload and if any of you use it?

I'm getting an error and it says I don't have 1.2 dishonored when I do since I can do the clips and junk. Any idea why this is?

Fripic

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Fripic: 2014-07-03 07:01:17 pm

2014-07-03 07:00:38 pm

Quote from FireTako:

Hey guys been trying to get back into this game after watching the sgdq race! I was practicing this game a bit and stopped a little after agdq. Lots of cool stuff discovered in such a short time!

After watching the new any% guide was wondering about noload and if any of you use it?

I'm getting an error and it says I don't have 1.2 dishonored when I do since I can do the clips and junk. Any idea why this is?

Pretty much all of us use noloads actually. Unfortunately I've never had this issue, so I have no idea.

Aladar

2014-07-03 07:27:06 pm

Quote from Icykittenz:

you need to double jump and blink at the height of the jump

So, I'm doing this too early, basically?

FireTako

2014-07-03 09:04:35 pm

I actually fixed my problem. I talked to the creator on irc and got some tips. hurray

Arilein

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Arilein: 2014-07-04 05:29:10 am

Arilein: 2014-07-04 05:29:08 am

2014-07-04 05:28:31 am

Quote from Aladar:

So, I'm doing this too early, basically?

Thats what it looks like to me too.

You also dont have to blink straight into that corner, just blink down at the hight of your jump.

Also note that this Clip only works on patch 1.2 or lower, be sure your Game is on that Version

SeductiveSpatula

2014-07-04 05:52:25 am

Quote from Arilein:

Quote from Aladar:

So, I'm doing this too early, basically?

Thats what it looks like to me too.

You also dont have to blink straight into that corner, just blink down at the hight of your jump.

Also note that this Clip only works on patch 1.2 or lower, be sure your Game is on that Version

I was about to say. I find it a lot easier facing the door looking down and kinda lining my cursor up with the edge of the door.

Mumrik

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Mumrik: 2014-07-04 10:02:24 am

2014-07-04 10:01:28 am

Removed.. EDIT: I read like a potato

Arilein

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Arilein: 2014-07-04 10:28:54 am

Arilein: 2014-07-04 10:27:47 am

2014-07-04 10:23:42 am

Quote from Mumrik:

Removed.. EDIT: I read like a potato

Dont be afraid to ask if you need something tho! :3

Mumrik

2014-07-04 10:35:29 am

Quote from Arilein:

Quote from Mumrik:

Removed.. EDIT: I read like a potato

Dont be afraid to ask if you need something tho! :3

Was answering a post while not reading the whole thing so I looked kind of stupid:)

nuh1

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nuh1: 2014-07-05 10:44:13 pm

nuh1: 2014-07-05 03:02:05 pm

2014-07-05 04:28:01 am

So since everyone(probably?) hates the Campbell Curnow conversation that lasts 10 years, is the Campbell Gate ~~Glitch~~ Bug allowed in the glitchless category? Actually, what is the glitchless category for dishonored even, just no wall clipping/oob because patched version and any thing else fair game since it's mostly just thoughtful jumps, a bouncing boyle, and a samuel dialog skip?

Please excuse my terrible blinking and also that fall on the stealth one, was too lazy to reload and do it again. I'm also just assuming having to swing around for the door and the extra blinks makes it slower than just clipping through the door the first time for any%. Is it obviously slower? Should I bother trying to compare routes? I just started so a back to back video comparison would take ages with my inconsistency and slow blinks.

Also, any chance for a NLG glitchless category?

Arilein

2014-07-06 08:57:48 am

Quote from nuh1:

Actually, what is the glitchless category for dishonored even, just no wall clipping/oob because patched version and any thing else fair game since it's mostly just thoughtful jumps, a bouncing boyle, and a samuel dialog skip?

Glitchless Any% =
no OOB
no clipping through doors
no elevators
Some people (aka myself and Lampzerg... and Ferret i believe) also think Savescumming (aka manipulating the boyle rng till you get good rng) is also a no go.
Talking to Lampzerg he also agrees with me that the infamous "ASS" shouldnt be in glitchless because it doesnt matter how small of a glitch it is, it is a glitch.
Weirdly enough everyone agrees that swordless is allowed tho :3

nuh1

2014-07-06 09:22:46 am

So pure glitchless pretty much? Is the samuel dialog skip during loyalists not allowed? And my hopes of the campbell gate glitch skipping the wait for campbell to open the damn door shattered?

I just always tend to make my own little personal category(that I have the most fun with) when speedrunning games that never truly fits into a legit category. My own little one for dishonored being Any% and NLG run on the patched version, so just no oob/clipping. I dislike oob and all the crazy unloaded textures.

Arilein

2014-07-06 10:44:45 am

Quote from nuh1:

I just always tend to make my own little personal category(that I have the most fun with) when speedrunning games that never truly fits into a legit category. My own little one for dishonored being Any% and NLG run on the patched version, so just no oob/clipping. I dislike oob and all the crazy unloaded textures.

To each their own really, gotta play that what you have the most fun with :3

And i dunno about the gate glitch. Never even know that existed till now :p Gotta ask other people for their opinion.

161803398874989

2014-07-06 12:00:21 pm

MATHEMATICS

You could run any% no elevators/no clipping.

Fripic

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Fripic: 2014-07-07 12:33:01 am

Fripic: 2014-07-07 12:32:23 am

2014-07-06 10:56:39 pm

Quote from nuh1:

So since everyone(probably?) hates the Campbell Curnow conversation that lasts 10 years, is the Campbell Gate ~~Glitch~~ Bug allowed in the glitchless category? Actually, what is the glitchless category for dishonored even, just no wall clipping/oob because patched version and any thing else fair game since it's mostly just thoughtful jumps, a bouncing boyle, and a samuel dialog skip?

Please excuse my terrible blinking and also that fall on the stealth one, was too lazy to reload and do it again. I'm also just assuming having to swing around for the door and the extra blinks makes it slower than just clipping through the door the first time for any%. Is it obviously slower? Should I bother trying to compare routes? I just started so a back to back video comparison would take ages with my inconsistency and slow blinks.

Also, any chance for a NLG glitchless category?

wait, what just happened? Screw glitchless this might be any% strats.

edit: It's about 3-4 seconds slow for any%. If it's allowed in glitchless it could be faster, I didn't route or time it for NLG.

[quote="nuh1"]So since everyone(probably?) hates the Campbell Curnow conversation that lasts 10 years, is the Campbell Gate [s]Glitch[/s] Bug allowed in the glitchless category? Actually, what is the glitchless category for dishonored even, just no wall clipping/oob because patched version and any thing else fair game since it's mostly just thoughtful jumps, a bouncing boyle, and a samuel dialog skip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buokawOXO3Y
Please excuse my terrible blinking and also that fall on the stealth one, was too lazy to reload and do it again. I'm also just assuming having to swing around for the door and the extra blinks makes it slower than just clipping through the door the first time for any%. Is it obviously slower? Should I bother trying to compare routes? I just started so a back to back video comparison would take ages with my inconsistency and slow blinks.

Also, any chance for a NLG glitchless category?[/quote]

wait, what just happened? Screw glitchless this might be any% strats.

edit: It's about 3-4 seconds slow for any%. If it's allowed in glitchless it could be faster, I didn't route or time it for NLG.

Weird Beard

2014-07-06 11:19:58 pm

Dishonored Before Death

Found a nice little thing thanks to sticky walls.

Possibly a new elevator strat. Instead of holding back and a direction, you just hold the direction and turn at around 30 degrees. This seems to skip the climbing animation that happens at the top of elevators (the ones I've tried, which are Prison skip, the shrub for the Assassin skip, and chainless, which is easier the original way). Try it out and see if it works better for you. Smiley

Fripic

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Fripic: 2014-07-07 12:34:45 am

2014-07-07 12:32:40 am

That seems like a very small optimization, but it might be worth going for.

nuh1

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nuh1: 2014-07-07 12:37:34 am

2014-07-07 12:36:27 am

Quote from Fripic:

wait, what just happened? Screw glitchless this might be any% strats.

Wait, what!? lol, guess I know who is testing the speed on it now. Yeah, guess I figured it was still slower because it's more blinks to swing around then it is to double blink to clip through the door. The sad part about it as a bug in general was that I personally know at least 5 people who ran into the glitch playing casually their first times. Like a friend watching my first playthrough told me it happened to him his first time and 2 other people in the room said me too.

Weird Beard

2014-07-07 12:37:16 am

Dishonored Before Death

Quote from Fripic:

That seems like a very small optimization, but it might be worth going for.

Yeah, it's mainly for the people with the sticky wall problem.

Fripic

2014-07-07 12:38:47 am

Quote from nuh1:

Quote from Fripic:

wait, what just happened? Screw glitchless this might be any% strats.

Wait, what!? lol, guess I know who is testing the speed on it now. Yeah, guess I figured it was still slower because it's more blinks to swing around then it is to double blink to clip through the door. The sad part about it as a bug in general was that I personally know at least 5 people who ran into the glitch playing casually their first times. Like a friend watching my first playthrough told me it happened to him his first time and 2 other people in the room said me too.

Actually, it doesn't use more mana if you do it right. It's just that the door seems to open on a timer, and that makes it slow.

nuh1

2014-07-07 12:42:21 am

Yeah, I just have my fingers crossed that everyone just allows this in glitchless% claiming just general bug because I'm about 100% certain everyone hates waiting the ten years for campbell to search through his thousands of keys to open the door. I've had the speech memorized before I realized I could just bug it.

Fripic

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Fripic: 2014-07-07 12:52:44 am

2014-07-07 12:47:56 am

Quote from nuh1:

Yeah, I just have my fingers crossed that everyone just allows this in glitchless% claiming just general bug because I'm about 100% certain everyone hates waiting the ten years for campbell to search through his thousands of keys to open the door. I've had the speech memorized before I realized I could just bug it.

I want it to be allowed as well, but i'm not really sure what a true "glitch" is. Really we aren't doing anything except opening a door that opens another door. The glitchless route is already kind of questionable with swordless and the sam thing in loyalists, so exactly where is the line?

According to Ari's description, this would be fine, but what does the rest of the community think?

Icykittenz

2014-07-07 01:07:10 am

Quote from Fripic:

Quote from nuh1:

Yeah, I just have my fingers crossed that everyone just allows this in glitchless% claiming just general bug because I'm about 100% certain everyone hates waiting the ten years for campbell to search through his thousands of keys to open the door. I've had the speech memorized before I realized I could just bug it.

I want it to be allowed as well, but i'm not really sure what a true "glitch" is. Really we aren't doing anything except opening a door that opens another door. The glitchless route is already kind of questionable with swordless and the sam thing in loyalists, so exactly where is the line?

According to Ari's description, this would be fine, but what does the rest of the community think?

I would want an explanation of how/why it works before I made a judgment on whether or not it could be in glitchless.

161803398874989

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161803398874989: 2014-07-07 01:25:28 am

2014-07-07 01:25:02 am

MATHEMATICS

(Real) glitchless sucks ass anyway. I propose we call it any% no elevators no clipping or any% no major skips and be done with it.

nuh1

2014-07-07 02:00:08 am

I pretty much just add patched or inbounds to pretty much all of my speedgame title/timers these days since Portal 1. Might as well just add or rename the glitchless dishonored category Patched or Inbounds. Never really a fan of pure glitchless, looks too much just like an asian let's play.