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Symm

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After that puzzle, you can light the red gemstone when your on the bottom floor of the room before you go up to the cutscene.

I have some sort of a write up that was intended to be for myself, its also really incomplete at the moment, here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ycRk_MldnQktl-AY6P0yqre_Qf_GkMWzDVIaB8tFlwY/edit?usp=sharing

If you want, any of you guys can PM your email and I can allow you to edit it yourselves.

EDIT:
I just realized this game has a battle speed option.
Make sure we set the battle speed to max(5) as it will make the fights faster.

Also make sure Tutorials is off and that Skip Battle Intro is on. Just in case no one has done that, I'm sure you can set these before you start a new game.

EDIT 2:
You can actually do the first "puzzle" really fast if you know the exact place to shine Igniculus. Can be tricky but you can do all three before reaching the door.
http://i.imgur.com/R6xT8v6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/R2R4jCo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GbJeYOF.jpg

olystice

2014-05-02 02:43:10 am

The level 3 strat is faster for the boss, without a doubt. But it's not faster overall. Best case scenario it's still ~20s slower--that's with a magic potion drop off the mandatory fight. It just takes too long to melee down the non-spider mobs.

Now, it's definitely safer, since if either of the statues got a crit it'd be pretty much over for a level 2. So if roughly 20s is worth it (best case scenario), then I'd say do the level 3 method.

Feel free to prove me wrong (or originally right? idk), because I'd love for it to be faster. Tongue

Also, on PC I've noticed load times are sporadic. Sometimes it'll take 2-3s longer to load for no reason. Let me also note that I have it installed on an SSD.

Symm

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The boss fight can go pretty rough at level 2, especially if the front statue gathers strength then uses E gate and one of them is able to get a Wings of Mercury off.

If the back statue gets 1 wings of mercury off on himself early in, probably best to reset lol!

EDIT:
After fighting the first boss for 30 minutes, I can say its safer and possibly faster to get level 3. There are many different things that the statues could do and depending on what it is completely changes the fight. If the front statue 1st turns Gathers Str, then E gate will set you back next turn allowing the back statue to Wings of Mercury or maybe heal himself, messing up all the timing on the gauge. If stuff goes wrong in the fight your either dead or it takes a lot longer.

It might be me being bad though =P

I also want to try leveling Starlight first as you can hit the back statue twice with the spell. The sooner you kill him the better.

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2014-05-02 09:10:33 am

What are your guys thoughts on doing the Trade Sidequest in the route?

You get 18 Strength through 6x +3 tokens. That's a ton of strength, especially considering grinding is a bit out of the question.

I did some minor testing, the movement itself (on pc, without cutscenes) is ~2:40 and that's just disregarding plot completely (It may be faster to do the final turnin after Magna, depends how valuable the Str is on Spider boss). My guesstimate, including cutscenes, is something like 4 minutes for 18 strength.

Here's a brief highlight of the movement at least, apologies for the bad mic. http://www.twitch.tv/bradnthings/c/4174534

Desregoth

2014-05-02 09:27:41 am

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You'd also have to factor in the time of doing Finn's quest, since I don't think you can do the Trade Sidequest if the Capili are still crows.

BradNThings

2014-05-02 09:31:18 am

Oh I forgot that Finn is optional. Probably not useful after all, dang.

Desregoth

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Desregoth: 2014-05-02 09:43:50 am

2014-05-02 09:42:29 am

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Unless someone else is already on this, I'll make a vid of the Oengus recruiting glitch, either tonight or tomorrow, so we have a good reference for it.

ogam

2014-05-02 11:07:04 am

If Oengus can be recruited by a glitching could we not do the same with Finn? This would make a couple water fights quicker with lightning.

olystice

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2014-05-02 11:10:59 am

I'm assuming the Oengus glitch has to deal with him leaving the party for his quest. Finn never leaves your party for his quest, iirc.

Edit: I'm also not entirely sure the Oengus glitch saves time. It takes about 2:30 to get him normally, and from what I was trying with the glitch it took about 3:30. It also seemed like with the glitch I had to enter the Oengus quest, exit, die to boss, enter Oengus quest again, exit, die to boss again, and have him. Aaaaaand, here's a video:

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Azurinel: 2014-05-02 11:44:22 am

2014-05-02 11:44:14 am

After exiting the quest, did you try entering and exiting again instead of going to the fight?

olystice

2014-05-02 11:49:00 am

Yeah, I tried that too.

Azurinel

2014-05-02 11:54:35 am

Maybe it has something to do with loading the game? Since death seems to cause a game over and a load-in to a previous state. Can you simply exit to the menu after leaving the quest, load the save, enter and exit again, then go die to the fight?

olystice

2014-05-02 12:06:02 pm

That didn't work either. Not sure how Desregoth gets it in one attempt. But if he does, then it's about the same time, or a few (like 5-10s maybe) seconds faster, depending on RNG of attacks from the boss/mobs.

Desregoth

2014-05-02 12:34:10 pm

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I'll try it again tonight, but it'd be weird that it would take more than one attempt. I messed up in the run I posted here, so I had to do a 2nd attempt, but at work (on PS3), I was reliably getting it on the first try. And it seems weird that this issue would behave differently on the different platforms (especially since the steps in the bug description that was entered (it was entered, but devs decided to not fix it) are written as being the same for all platforms). I will double check tonight though, just to make sure I can get it in one attempt on PC.

Also, note that doing the Oengus glitch also saves time later in the run as he won't be there for the dialog at the altar in the cutscene before the last fight (around 1h58 in the vid I posted, if Oengus appears here, he'd have a short conversation with the leader of his race).

Symm

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Current route that I'm using to first boss (It seems faster in my head? I know its much safer, but I can't really say if its faster).
After 1st Mandatory fight:
-> Fight first spider enemy for level 2 (Mash space to menu, level Starlight)
-> Fight spider enemy after healing tonic chest (should be spider x2) kill both of them in one hit and get level 3 but do not menu.
-> Fight boss. 2 starlight + 2 slash to kill back statue.
-> Continue leveling the Light Ray skill path.

The only problem is that you don't have the Counterattack skill for the 2nd boss fight.

olystice

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2014-05-02 03:55:02 pm

Okay, I timed Symm's way and it's faster--barely.
For the boss, do as Symm said, 2x Starlight, 2x Slash to kill back statue, then interrupt front statue with melee attacks, gathering the HP/MP orbs when you're getting low on the firefly's power (can't remember his name for the life of me), and when you collect enough for another Starlight, use that. So to recap: 2x Starlight, 2x Slash on back statue, 1x Starlight, 4x Slash on front statue.

When I timed it, it was ~15s faster than the level 2 method. Obviously, RNG is still a factor. But it's safer, and it's faster. So, yay?

Also, does counterattack make that big of a difference? I'd figure just keep leveling Starlight path for more consistent, low-MP cost damage.

One more note I'd like to make about right after the boss: There's about 30s worth of cutscenes/text mashing after the first set of text, when Aurora is getting fly. You reload your save and skip that. I don't know if that's faster on all platforms, because you can't soft-reset or menu out during cutscenes/text, so you'd have to close the game and re-open it, and load your save. Tested it out on PC and you can close/open/reload faster than 30s (I timed it at about 20s), so you can save 10s.

Okay, I timed Symm's way and it's faster--barely.
For the boss, do as Symm said, 2x Starlight, 2x Slash to kill back statue, then interrupt front statue with melee attacks, gathering the HP/MP orbs when you're getting low on the firefly's power (can't remember his name for the life of me), and when you collect enough for another Starlight, use that. So to recap: 2x Starlight, 2x Slash on back statue, 1x Starlight, 4x Slash on front statue.

When I timed it, it was ~15s faster than the level 2 method. Obviously, RNG is still a factor. But it's safer, and it's faster. So, yay?

Also, does counterattack make that big of a difference? I'd figure just keep leveling Starlight path for more consistent, low-MP cost damage.

One more note I'd like to make about right after the boss: There's about 30s worth of cutscenes/text mashing after the first set of text, when Aurora is getting fly. You reload your save and skip that. I don't know if that's faster on all platforms, because you can't soft-reset or menu out during cutscenes/text, so you'd have to close the game and re-open it, and load your save. Tested it out on PC and you can close/open/reload faster than 30s (I timed it at about 20s), so you can save 10s.

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Awesome. I don't know if you use Aurora ever again (Not where I am in my casual playthrough anyway)

Counterattack isn't all that useful. Putting a point in Light Ray allows for a potential one hit kill on one of the "hounds" in the second boss fight. Otherwize it would take 1x Light Ray + 1x Starlight + 2x Slash(?) or 2x Tumble(?) to kill that hound.

Putting the rest of the points into the Starlight tree if you only put 1 SP into Light Ray gives you 1 extra MP and 2 extra Magic. Which is much better then leveling the Magic Def and Dodge% you get from continuing the Light Ray. (Hope that all made sense)
I don't know if you need to use Aurora in the future and thats the reason Desregoth rushes the Light Ray tree, if there isn't any particular reason, grabbing starlight + light ray + mp + magic seems the best way to go.

EDIT:
Does that work for all cutscenes that are after fights? If so thats rather interesting.

olystice

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2014-05-02 04:23:43 pm

It would depend on the whole save thing. But it actually saves more time than I originally thought. You also skip the entering Chapter 3 cutscene.

Video - Watch for around 1:38:

You can see right after those text boxes it starts to save, that's when you close the game and re-open it.

NOTE: This may make it a different category, since it's a "save and quit". But I don't know enough about that stuff.

Symm

2014-05-02 04:32:37 pm

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Make sure to grab 1 point in light ray at least it is a god send in the giant spider fight.

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2014-05-02 04:56:19 pm

@ogam: I just tried it out with the same method for Finn, but to no avail. I think he does save time on the later fights, but I don't think it's enough time to make it worth it. Still needs testing, obviously. Tongue

I'll keep making saves, I'm pretty sure they'll be useful. But I'm doing it with the Starlight skill tree. So no counterattack for my saves.
(For reference, saves are in: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Ubisoft\Ubisoft Game Launcher\savegames\<random characters>\" or similar and a folder inside that named "611". The main save file is named "1.save", so whichever save you're using, just make a copy of it, name it 1.save, load up game, GG)

Desregoth

2014-05-02 05:43:23 pm

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Symm, if you skip both Finn and Gen, Aurora is your only spellcaster, so you'll need her for all enemies that are resistant to physical attacks.

I think the Starlight path might be worth exploring just to be very sure which is faster over the entire game. The reason I went with Light Ray is two fold. First, it costs more than Starlight, but does more damage. As such, you get more benefit out of damage elixirs. Second, with good RNG, the insta-kill chance can save some time if it triggers in later fights (such as one-shot killing a hound during the second Ogre fight (the first boss fight after you gain the Moon)).

However, if the Starlight path proves better over the Light Ray path when you don't get any good instant-kill RNG, it's probably the best choice for single segment (speaking of which, https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/single_segment_with_resets_now_accepted_globally.html mentions that in most cases SS w/ Resets won't obsolete SS, but in this case it doesn't cut that much time in a somewhat long game, so it may count as the same category).

Symm, if you skip both Finn and Gen, Aurora is your only spellcaster, so you'll need her for all enemies that are resistant to physical attacks.

I think the Starlight path might be worth exploring just to be very sure which is faster over the entire game. The reason I went with Light Ray is two fold. First, it costs more than Starlight, but does more damage. As such, you get more benefit out of damage elixirs. Second, with good RNG, the insta-kill chance can save some time if it triggers in later fights (such as one-shot killing a hound during the second Ogre fight (the first boss fight after you gain the Moon)).

However, if the Starlight path proves better over the Light Ray path when you don't get any good instant-kill RNG, it's probably the best choice for single segment (speaking of which, https://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/single_segment_with_resets_now_accepted_globally.html mentions that in most cases SS w/ Resets won't obsolete SS, but in this case it doesn't cut that much time in a somewhat long game, so it may count as the same category).

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2014-05-02 06:04:22 pm

Another place you can do do a cutscene skip is right after the spider boss (don't know if it saves time yet). Once you re-open you'll be Talking to the Mayor.

EDIT: Doesn't save time. Cuz, well, it doesn't actually skip anything. Cheesy

Desregoth

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Desregoth: 2014-05-02 07:11:37 pm

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Weirdly enough, it was slightly longer beating the statue with 2x Starlight, 2x Slash on back statue, 1x Starlight, 4x Slash on front statue than with 1x Light Ray, 4x Slash on back statue, 1x Light Ray, 4x Slash on front statue (from what I can tell, it could be because from selecting target to damage, Starlight and Light Ray take about 5 seconds while a Slash is about 2 seconds). Both fights were fights where the back Statue didn't get to cast Wings or Ambrosia, neither Statues dodged and I didn't get any crit/instakill.

So taking either Starlight or Light Ray might not make a difference on the first boss without RNG, but Light Ray would be faster if you get the instakill luck (never seen it happen on the back statue, but I've seen it happen on the front statue before).

ogam

2014-05-02 11:17:22 pm

Is there a way to remove DLCs?

olystice

2014-05-02 11:20:11 pm

5th post:

"5) If you have any DLC (like me, cuz I pre-ordered) you can delete/move/rename your "DLC" folder located inside "Steam\SteamApps\common\Child of Light" (if you're using Steam of course) in order to de-activate it."