Cash bounties for speedruns [locked]

stanski

2007-04-20 03:12:21 am

wise fwom yo gwave

Taken out of context... that looks really, really wrong.

Gob_Bluth

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Gob_Bluth: 2007-04-23 06:03:18 pm

2007-04-23 05:57:45 pm

Pokemon Emerald (GBA) Bounty:
$1 for every 4 minutes the run takes to finish. (paid through Paypal)
For example, if you beat the game in 3 hours, I will pay you $45.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/faq.html:
"Do you post everything that's submitted?
Nope. If a submission doesn't impress whoever verifies it, i.e. they think that the run could be a lot faster, then the player is asked to try again. If a run's video quality isn't up to snuff, such as someone capturing a run with a web cam which looks horrible, that's not posted either. After you do something, play it back and ask yourself 'would I be impressed by this if I hadn't done it?'. If not... try harder!"

Because someone attempting to submit a 6 hour run to take advantage of my payment system will have his/her run rejected based on the fact that the run could be a lot faster, offering $1 for every 4 minutes seems ok.

laughing_gas

2007-04-23 05:59:33 pm

Existence as you know it is over

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Pokemon Emerald (GBA) Bounty:
$1 for every 4 minutes the run takes to finish. (paid through Paypal)
For example, if you beat the game in 3 hours, I will pay you $45.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/faq.html:
"Do you post everything that's submitted?
Nope. If a submission doesn't impress whoever verifies it, i.e. they think that the run could be a lot faster, then the player is asked to try again. If a run's video quality isn't up to snuff, such as someone capturing a run with a web cam which looks horrible, that's not posted either. After you do something, play it back and ask yourself 'would I be impressed by this if I hadn't done it?'. If not... try harder!"

Because someone attempting to submit a 6 hour run to take advantage of my payment system will have his/her run rejected based on the fact that the run could be a lot faster, I feel it's ok to offer $1 for every 4 minutes.

That makes no sense at all. You should offer a set amount at, for example, 5 hrs and then add $1 for each 4 minutes lopped off.

[quote]Pokemon Emerald (GBA) Bounty:
$1 for every 4 minutes the run takes to finish. (paid through Paypal) 
For example, if you beat the game in 3 hours, I will pay you $45.

http://speeddemosarchive.com/faq.html:
"Do you post everything that's submitted?
Nope. If a submission doesn't impress whoever verifies it, i.e. they think that the run could be a lot faster, then the player is asked to try again. If a run's video quality isn't up to snuff, such as someone capturing a run with a web cam which looks horrible, that's not posted either. After you do something, play it back and ask yourself 'would I be impressed by this if I hadn't done it?'. If not... try harder!"

Because someone attempting to submit a 6 hour run to take advantage of my payment system will have his/her run rejected based on the fact that the run could be a lot faster, I feel it's ok to offer $1 for every 4 minutes.[/quote]

That makes no sense at all. You should offer a set amount at, for example, 5 hrs and then add $1 for each 4 minutes lopped off.

Gob_Bluth

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Gob_Bluth: 2007-04-26 03:43:35 pm

2007-04-23 06:04:56 pm

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That makes no sense at all. You should offer a set amount at, for example, 5 hrs and then add $1 for each 4 minutes lopped off.

I'm not sure what I was thinking; I'm just going to offer $60 the run.

Game: Pokemon Emerald (GBA)
Goal: From the start of the game, get to the credits as quickly as possible
Prize: $60

Enhasa

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Enhasa: 2007-04-30 01:37:07 am

2007-04-25 06:16:35 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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What is it with everyone's mom playing Dr. Mario? There's mine, andrewg's, and stanski's that I know of... Wink

What can you say? That Mario is an Italian charmer!

There are actually more games I'd offer cash for, but I'll keep it simple and focused. I'd rather use Paypal, but I could send a check if I had to, I guess. Anyone interested just has to get an appropriate run up on SDA. I would be verifying of course. Wink

Star Ocean 1 (JP): $50
Star Ocean 2: $50
Valkyrie Profile, hard mode 100% (all dungeons): $50
Star Ocean 3, single segment: $25
Radiata Stories, 100% (all characters): $50 (and another $200 from slowbro)
Valkyrie Profile 2, single segment: $25

No prize for guessing the theme. There are more categories I'd reward, except that I know they're already being worked on or in queue. I know that's dumb but sorry. Tongue

spineshark

2007-04-25 06:58:18 am

新世紀進歩的羽扇子音楽

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Radiata Stories, 100% (all characters): $50

Good lord. The punishment does not fit the crime. Wink

Gob_Bluth

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Gob_Bluth: 2007-05-01 07:25:28 pm

2007-04-26 03:39:40 pm

Game: Final Fantasy XII
Goal: speedrun
Prize: $60

Since it looks like many people are attempting this run (I may be wrong about this), I am going to pay the bounty to whoever has his/her run posted on SDA by December 21, 2007.

This is in case many speedruns for FFXII are submitted between now and December 2007 and therefore ensure that the fastest one gets the bounty.

slowbro

2007-04-27 03:07:31 am

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Radiata Stories, 100% (all characters): $50

This message board doesn't have a smiley with eyes big enough to express my reaction to that.

Enhasa, you're the one who originally gave me the idea of offering a bounty for a speedrun. Feel free to offer as many as you want.

Pweisger

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Pweisger: 2007-04-28 09:06:54 am

2007-04-28 08:58:37 am

PwNzRd!

Hmm...

Diablo 2 All 3 Difficulties: $200 per character. 7 Characters = $1,400 potential. ALL QUESTS. Once a run is submitted, if no one can beat that person's time in 30 days, that person wins the money.

San Andreas 100%: $300 (I'm actually working on this one, so I will treat myself to something worth $300 should I do it). Maximum 80 segments. That may change, but it seems reasonable without allowing the person too many segments, it is a long game. They need to accomplish what the game deems necessary for 100% PLUS all unique jumps AND gold in all schools.

Final Fantasy XII 100%: $400 (Because I know no one would record that many hours of content). You can inquire what 100% is with me (lets just say, you pretty much need to find everything and beat everything).

Medieval Total War: Complete Campaign (All territories) Expert Mode starting from Early Period: $200 Per Faction. 12 Factions = $2,400 earning potential. Same 30 days approach as Diablo 2, though I feel less competition on this one.

Pharaoh: $300 All Campaigns Very Hard (including Cleopatra). In places where you choose which map to do, you can pick whichever one is more comfortable for you (it is on Very Hard).

Red Faction: $200 Beaten Impossible. Not claimable if it already has been done (I can't find it out there, unless I am missing something).

Oblivion: $400 All Possible Main, Faction, Miscellaneous quests done by one character. This character has to join and rise to the top of the Mages, Fighters, Thieves, Dark Brotherhood Guilds, beat the Arena, and do all possible Misc. Quests including Nirnroot using the Vanilla version of Oblivion (patch acceptable) ON THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY SLIDER. + $100 if they include Shivering Isles and Knights of the Order.

Kingdom Hearts 100%: $300 Same rules apply as FF12.

Star Wars Rebellion: $200 Beaten on Hard on Large galaxy map with the EMPIRE.

I am actually quite serious about these amounts, and will pay with Paypal should any be accomplished. I know most of these probably never will be, but if they are, I will need to come up with $6,000. I see my amounts far surpass many of the ones offered, but what the hell, they are challenging.

THESE TOTALS WILL NOT BE FINAL UNTIL MAY 11TH!!! I want to make sure these sound reasonable and get people's feedback. On May 11th, I will post my final amounts. That's two weeks from now.

Hmm...

Diablo 2 All 3 Difficulties: $200 per character. 7 Characters = $1,400 potential. ALL QUESTS. Once a run is submitted, if no one can beat that person's time in 30 days, that person wins the money.

San Andreas 100%: $300 (I'm actually working on this one, so I will treat myself to something worth $300 should I do it).  Maximum 80 segments. That may change, but it seems reasonable without allowing the person too many segments, it is a long game. They need to accomplish what the game deems necessary for 100% PLUS all unique jumps AND gold in all schools.

Final Fantasy XII 100%: $400 (Because I know no one would record that many hours of content). You can inquire what 100% is with me (lets just say, you pretty much need to find everything and beat everything).

Medieval Total War: Complete Campaign (All territories) Expert Mode starting from Early Period: $200 Per Faction. 12 Factions = $2,400 earning potential. Same 30 days approach as Diablo 2, though I feel less competition on this one.

Pharaoh: $300 All Campaigns Very Hard (including Cleopatra). In places where you choose which map to do, you can pick whichever one is more comfortable for you (it is on Very Hard).

Red Faction: $200 Beaten Impossible. Not claimable if it already has been done (I can't find it out there, unless I am missing something).

Oblivion: $400 All Possible Main, Faction, Miscellaneous quests done by one character. This character has to join and rise to the top of the Mages, Fighters, Thieves, Dark Brotherhood Guilds, beat the Arena, and do all possible Misc. Quests including Nirnroot using the Vanilla version of Oblivion (patch acceptable) ON THE HARDEST DIFFICULTY SLIDER. + $100 if they include Shivering Isles and Knights of the Order.

Kingdom Hearts 100%: $300 Same rules apply as FF12.

Star Wars Rebellion: $200 Beaten on Hard on Large galaxy map with the EMPIRE.

I am actually quite serious about these amounts, and will pay with Paypal should any be accomplished. I know most of these probably never will be, but if they are, I will need to come up with $6,000. I see my amounts far surpass many of the ones offered, but what the hell, they are challenging.

THESE TOTALS WILL NOT BE FINAL UNTIL MAY 11TH!!! I want to make sure these sound reasonable and get people's feedback. On May 11th, I will post my final amounts. That's two weeks from now.

Rake

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Rake: 2007-04-28 10:55:02 am

2007-04-28 10:13:16 am

100% FFXII is not feasible as Yizamat takes 5 hours alone so The game at 100% is at least getting up towards 60hours minimum so this would never be excepted unless there is some glitch found to do 50million damage quickly and preferably multi able times.

slowbro

2007-04-28 07:38:23 pm

Just gotta stick my head in to say that I don't recommend offering any bounties as big as those. But if you can afford the money, it's your choice of course.

Pweisger

2007-04-28 07:57:12 pm

PwNzRd!

I could afford it. I know most of these will probably never be done, so I am not worried. As for FF12 100%, I know, that's why I made it $400.

No1 Inparticular

2007-04-28 09:14:05 pm

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100% FFXII is not feasible as Yizamat takes 5 hours alone so The game at 100% is at least getting up towards 60hours minimum so this would never be excepted unless there is some glitch found to do 50million damage quickly and preferably multi able times.

It's the same with Kingdom Hearts as well. It would take too long,and we don't even know how to get under 7 hours in general for this game. I think 100% Kingdom Hearts 2 sounds easier,and more likely.

Gob_Bluth

2007-04-29 12:00:31 am

Does SDA even accept really long runs?

I have yet to see them accept the 11 hour FFX run.

slowbro

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slowbro: 2007-04-29 12:45:45 am

2007-04-29 12:30:52 am

Nope. But they offer a little leeway for 100% runs.

Radix's comments on the subject from the news late last year (Donkey Kong 64):

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Now wait just a minute you say, that time is waaaaaay higher than the limit listed in the FAQ, how could I possibly post this? Well, we already have a 4:36 run on this game. This 100% is almost exactly twice the length. The limit in question was designed for 'default' runs, but this doesn't mean you can take a game that can be completed in 5-7 hours and do a 100% run that takes 20+ hours! I dont know what the limit might be, but let's just say that this one maybe only got posted cuz I like the game mmmmkay?

Are these FFXII and KH 100%s things that couldn't be done in under 20 hours? Radix pretty clearly says those would not be accepted. But if pweisger wants the bounty can still exist; I awarded the Okami race video bounty even though the videos are something that will probably never be accepted to SDA.

edit: My addition to the Radiata 100% bounty still stands even if the video can't be accepted because it's too long. The video's existence would still be an awesome thing and it could be shared elsewhere.

Who knows, maybe if a few butt-kicking 30 hour speedruns (pokemon 100%s anyone?!) actually existed, SDA might consider changing their rules? (probably not though) Heh, a Pokemon 100% run would have to be coordinated between two different versions of the game, total time being the sum of the two Grin

Now I'm getting silly.

Nope.  But they offer a little leeway for 100% runs.

Radix's comments on the subject from the news late last year (Donkey Kong 64):
[quote]Now wait just a minute you say, that time is waaaaaay higher than the limit listed in the FAQ, how could I possibly post this? Well, we already have a 4:36 run on this game. This 100% is almost exactly twice the length. The limit in question was designed for 'default' runs, but this doesn't mean you can take a game that can be completed in 5-7 hours and do a 100% run that takes 20+ hours! I dont know what the limit might be, but let's just say that this one maybe only got posted cuz I like the game mmmmkay?[/quote]

Are these FFXII and KH 100%s things that couldn't be done in under 20 hours?  Radix pretty clearly says those would not be accepted.  But if pweisger wants the bounty can still exist; I awarded the Okami race video bounty even though the videos are something that will probably never be accepted to SDA.

edit: My addition to the Radiata 100% bounty still stands even if the video can't be accepted because it's too long.  The video's existence would still be an awesome thing and it could be shared elsewhere.

Who knows, maybe if a few butt-kicking 30 hour speedruns (pokemon 100%s anyone?!) actually existed, SDA might consider changing their rules?  (probably not though)  Heh, a Pokemon 100% run would have to be coordinated between two different versions of the game, total time being the sum of the two ;D  Now I'm getting silly.

Enhasa

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Enhasa: 2007-04-29 09:48:15 pm

2007-04-29 02:29:22 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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I awarded the Okami race video bounty even though the videos are something that will probably never be accepted to SDA.

Yeah they would. Look at Mario 64. There's an in-game timer, so the "only" thing that's missing is a full run.

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edit: My addition to the Radiata 100% bounty still stands even if the video can't be accepted because it's too long. The video's existence would still be an awesome thing and it could be shared elsewhere.

Maybe I'm just being naive but, if you start with the fact that a speedrun can be completed in 5 hours, then with insane superhuman optimization, that getting all the characters + 2nd loop would take under 6 (or 15)... well, I don't know how much of a stretch that is.

Oh and I would wait for some of my first bounties to even be taken before I come up with any more. I don't want to spread myself out too much, it hurts focus. Besides, getter has said that he is going to beast this thread soon anyway. People can pick up the bloody remains later. Tongue

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Final Fantasy XII 100%: $400 (Because I know no one would record that many hours of content). You can inquire what 100% is with me (lets just say, you pretty much need to find everything and beat everything).

Red Scarlet would so do this, I think.

Edit: Oh, I have to add: $250 for RS is more like it. And now we have mathematical proof that Tom is a better man than I. Four times better, in fact. Smiley

[quote]I awarded the Okami race video bounty even though the videos are something that will probably never be accepted to SDA.[/quote]
Yeah they would. Look at Mario 64. There's an in-game timer, so the "only" thing that's missing is a full run.

[quote]edit: My addition to the Radiata 100% bounty still stands even if the video can't be accepted because it's too long.  The video's existence would still be an awesome thing and it could be shared elsewhere.[/quote]
Maybe I'm just being naive but, if you start with the fact that a speedrun can be completed in 5 hours, then with insane superhuman optimization, that getting all the characters + 2nd loop would take under 6 (or 15)... well, I don't know how much of a stretch that is.

Oh and I would wait for some of my first bounties to even be taken before I come up with any more. I don't want to spread myself out too much, it hurts focus. Besides, getter has said that he is going to beast this thread soon anyway. People can pick up the bloody remains later. :P

[quote]Final Fantasy XII 100%: $400 (Because I know no one would record that many hours of content). You can inquire what 100% is with me (lets just say, you pretty much need to find everything and beat everything).[/quote]
Red Scarlet would so do this, I think.

Edit: Oh, I have to add: $250 for RS is more like it. And now we have mathematical proof that Tom is a better man than I. Four times better, in fact. :)

Rake

2007-04-29 02:31:24 am

Well we would need a definition of what his classing as 100% I would have to assume he means all hunts and side quests because that would be semi feasible if you could work out a way to beat Yizamat in a reasonable amount of time and also hell wyrm. It would take an insane amount of planing so that you do the side quest which there are a reasonable number of quickly. The hunts would take a while as well particularly the late ones.

stanski

2007-04-29 08:12:24 am

wise fwom yo gwave

Honestly, Pweisger, I really don't think you should even bother with bounties you:
1. Know people can't get
or
2. Aren't sure how to deal with based on SDA rules. For example, say someone completes FF12 in 60 hours 100%. How would you judge if it was good enough for the bounty? At least with runs that can be posted on SDA or are short side quests (ala okami), there can be some standards in place. What happens when 2 people submit 60 hour runs, and you alone have to check for cheating? That becomes a huge pain in the ass, and for what gain?

Its like a bounty me and mike uyama talked about for magician lord. We both said we'd be willing to put up decent money to see someone beat it without dying. But, we both know the person might as well stick their balls into a toaster for 50 hours and get paid for it, because its near impossible and would be about as painful. So why bother, and we decided we might as well not even mention it.

Pweisger

2007-04-29 10:02:38 am

PwNzRd!

To answer your questions stanski...

1. All of my runs are possible. Some hard or long as hell, but possible.

2. I don't care if SDA accepts them. If it is a 60 hour run, and it is good, they win, even if SDA says no. And yes, I would check for cheating. And quite frankly, if they follow my request, which really isn't complicated, they pass. I am willing to be very flexible here.

3. So yes, I would accept any length of FF12. And by 100%, I decided that means the main quest, all the hunts, and all the side quests. Long, yes, acceptable by SDA standards, no, but would I pay up, yes.

Even if the runs aren't great, I still would, because it is the accomplishments of these runs that makes them worth my $$$. Besides, I doubt TWO people will be submitting 60 hour runs of FF12. The only ones I see where competition might exist are Diablo 2 and... well really just Diablo 2.

getter77

2007-04-29 02:11:43 pm

100% runs=great to watch

I know EXACTLY where Pweisger is coming from on the stuff he is mentioniong.

In terms of length, if it is too long by SDA rules...then that is fine. Archive.org is alive and well last time I checked...as would be a number of other hosting solutions. Also, seeing as how most SERIOUS people would make a topic on any given one where folk could help to optimise it out to save buckets of time(not like they wouldn't get rewarded by seeing it) the runner could use on other endeavors...I'm doubting the "real" eixstence of any 60 hour runs. I can't think of any games, REALLY, that would result in that kinda time using the power of segmenting and all the other bag of tricks that any game surely has. Even if there were, hell, that'd be one badass thing to marathon over the course of several days.

If the game/challenge is pretty hard....ok. How many times, again and again, have people found ways to do the "impossible" here at SDA on any number of games? Yeah....that's what I thought.

Also, lol, don't anybody attemtp to hold back any bounties on my accord. Until my anime purchasing backlog is situated, AND I get back to my 1/4 assed MSWord listing(still in the low 100's IIRC)....odds are good it won't be posted soon---though the unpolishedness of the list is really all that would stop me on some of it(blame my anime WATCHING backlog on my PC and other HD space freeing tasks I've been slack on). I can also nigh guarantee that much of what will be on said list of mine is not stuff that other will think to want to post before me....so go nuts with your own recs everybody. Some of my stuff will prolly fall into "too long or something for SDA norms" as well....but most prolly won't.

I know EXACTLY where Pweisger is coming from on the stuff he is mentioniong.

In terms of length, if it is too long by SDA rules...then that is fine.  Archive.org is alive and well last time I checked...as would be a number of other hosting solutions.  Also, seeing as how most SERIOUS people would make a topic on any given one where folk could help to optimise it out to save buckets of time(not like they wouldn't get rewarded by seeing it) the runner could use on other endeavors...I'm doubting the "real" eixstence of any 60 hour runs.  I can't think of any games, REALLY, that would result in that kinda time using the power of segmenting and all the other bag of tricks that any game surely has.  Even if there were, hell, that'd be one badass thing to marathon over the course of several days.

If the game/challenge is pretty hard....ok.  How many times, again and again, have people found ways to do the "impossible" here at SDA on any number of games?  Yeah....that's what I thought.

Also, lol, don't anybody attemtp to hold back any bounties on my accord.  Until my anime purchasing backlog is situated, AND I get back to my 1/4 assed MSWord listing(still in the low 100's IIRC)....odds are good it won't be posted soon---though the unpolishedness of the list is really all that would stop me on some of it(blame my anime WATCHING backlog on my PC and other HD space freeing tasks I've been slack on).  I can also nigh guarantee that much of what will be on said list of mine is not stuff that other will think to want to post before me....so go nuts with your own recs everybody.  Some of my stuff will prolly fall into "too long or something for SDA norms" as well....but most prolly won't.

stanski

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stanski: 2007-04-30 01:01:08 am

2007-04-30 01:00:54 am

wise fwom yo gwave

Getter, I can assure you I can come up with bounties on things that are literally impossible (tas possible, human not).

And take as long as you need for your list, but seriously, don't kill yourself with these bounties like the one dude at TG did (he ended up shelling out like 5 or 6 grand or something ridiculous). Unless of course, you choose games on systems I have and runs that aren't impossible for me to do :-).

getter77

2007-04-30 02:58:04 am

100% runs=great to watch

LOL, Oddly enough prolly the first dozen or so runs that popped into my head would be likely "impossible" ones like you mention Stanski.

No worries on time crunch...nime comes first with me. Need to get a Wii at some point too. Pweisger is some kinda sultan compared to me cash wise...my schtick will be abundant variety with non-fixed but prolly low amounts. Nobody would be doing just mine to get rich. Hopefully by the time I get around to to it several will have found their way to SDA without any mention...hence everybody wins---especially me. 8)

Pweisger

2007-04-30 06:19:49 am

PwNzRd!

Sultan eh? I actually have $300 in my bank account AND THAT IS IT (thank you so freakin much college). But, then again, I don't plan on paying out for many of these. However, if say they are ALL done over a period of say, five years, I could pay everyone off. That is why I have the amounts on there that I do. Not because I can pay them all at once (I can't) but that I can pay off all of them over time. I am also not setting these in stone just yet, so I have time to review them and get feedback. But once they are, I intend on following through.

And I agree. The impossible seems always probable around here.

stanski

2007-04-30 07:32:13 am

wise fwom yo gwave

Slowbro, want to remove my "15+ second improvement" bounty? I improved it by 4 seconds just a second ago, though I don't think it is worth a submission because of how much time new tricks save and the fact that I overall don't like it. 4 seconds for a run like that without heavy competition from others isn't much.

Stupid

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Stupid: 2007-04-30 03:20:06 pm

2007-04-30 03:16:22 pm

defying gravity

I think this is going too far and will some time end up in:

Someone not showing up anymore after someone completed his task
or
Someone submitting a very sloppy 50Hours "Speedrun" and claims the reward, because the Offer was too unspecified and only asked for a Speedrun in general
or even worse
Someone cheating just in order to get the reward

I dont like the idea of just doing a Speedrun in order to earn cash anyways.