Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter [locked]

2005-03-10 07:08:02 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Does anyone know where I can find a speedrun of this game? Does one even exist? I've tried looking on google but I couldn't find anything (although I did find this place Smiley

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Gorash

2005-03-10 09:24:59 pm

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Does not exist on this site nor on the ones I know of.
It has been discussed but noone has started one yet.

ffply

2005-03-12 04:05:16 am

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Well that sucks. Maybe I can make my own speedrun.

nickoho

2005-03-12 09:09:34 am

100% Australian Meat Guaranteed

by all means go for it. just make sure that people will actually want to watch if first. :). ie: not INSANELY long, and not dull.

i love stating the obvious. Cheesy

go for it though, might be a good watch _b

ffply

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ffply: 2005-03-12 10:01:38 pm

2005-03-12 10:01:04 pm

I love YaBB 1G - SP1!

Yeah, I think I'll watch some more of these videos and get a feel for what works in a speedrun before I attempt my own.

Enhasa

2005-05-24 04:27:13 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

Just in case anybody cares, I tried a couple of test runs on this several weeks ago. I can get to Elyon from a new game in some ridiculously low time, like between 1.5 and 2 hours, but then I run out of D-Counter. Unless I or somebody else can figure something out, I'm afraid there's no elegant way to do this without adding a couple of extra hours. I'm thinking of trying another route, which focuses on getting Power Boosts and 7th Senses, but even then I'm not sure that would be enough. At any rate, I currently have no PS2 access, so I'll have to wait until the fall to continue with this. But I am still interested.

Here is a link to a BoF5 topic on nesvideos: http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1655&highlight=

Gorash

2005-05-24 09:52:44 am

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From where in the story on did you rely on Ryus Dragon stuff? Immediately after you got Odjn?

Enhasa

2005-05-25 12:03:50 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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From where in the story on did you rely on Ryus Dragon stuff? Immediately after you got Odjn?

No, I knew I would have no chance if I did that. Let me try and remember what I did. The main problem with running this game is that even disregarding D-Dive, the optimal strategy for fights is usually much slower than the fastest way. While this is great game design on Capcom's part, it doesn't do us any favors. I wasn't too careful and didn't take any notes because this was a (failed) proof of concept run.

I didn't fight any non-required fights. Besides XP, this also hampered me severely in regards to Fol and ID equipment. I also didn't go out of my way to pick up any items or chests. I spend most of my money at the beginning on Fresh Meat, and healing items later. I use up any Party XP I get on Ryu. I had to estimate how to best use Dragon powers to minimize D-Counter usage for each fight, and it was really surprising how many fights, I would knock the enemy down to a tiny sliver, and then be able to Cooldown and attack with Ryu and others for the win, or sometimes barely not be able to do this and reset.

In the first dungeon, Bosch's Twin Wake combo is good. Ryu's X Blade would be good too, except you don't come with Side Slash. I get Kick in the first dungeon; it's quite useful. I run around everywhere with D-Dash while it doesn't increase the D-Counter. (This alone is a good reason why a BoF5 run would look so nice.) I end the first Bosch fight with low D-Counter. Against the Lieutenants, I D-Dive, which in retrospect I would see if I could live without. At the end of CorpLab, I buy the Antenna, the rod with Lightning built in. Against the Gunners and Battlers, I D-Dive, because that fight is nigh impossible at low levels and would take forever besides. More importantly, killing those 8 guys first turn gives a ton of Party XP. Asimov I also D-Dive, but I would see if I could avoid doing that. The main issue is that pushing him into Fragballs is the best way to fight him, but it's in an optional chest. I wonder if Frost (Goo Sapphire drop) would be better, I'd have to see. The level 1 traps are G-Flare and Joltball, how unlucky. Against Zeno and Mage Captains, I D-Dive of course. This fight is hard enough on a normal playthrough. Afterwards I ID Zeno's Violet Blade and use that.

Because of newfound levels and decent weapons, Tantra actually goes down without much difficulty. I D-Dive Geegagis because he is so hard to kill and it takes forever, although if I had Fragball, I think I would have used that instead. I then kill Geegagis-powered Tantra without D-Dive. I remember to buy 1 Multimeds for Nina for the upcoming fight in Trinity. The Trinity battle takes far too long, but I still did it without D-Dive because at this point, I was glad it was still possible. Then the difficulty spikes. I D-Dive against Bosch at Lifeline, then again for Deamoned, and the regents. I picked Hortensia and then Vexacion, because I mistakenly thought that like Zeno, the fight ended when the leader dies. I think I should have went Cupid and Jezuit instead. Cupid has 340 less (HP+ABD) than Hortensia, which mattered because I had to use an extra Vortex I think. Against Jezuit, G-Flare doesn't do enough to get past his ABD and knock him out of his untargetable stage, so you'd have to wait it out or likely die instead before then. Which is why maybe Fragball is a good idea.

Then against Elyon I was toast, with Bosch and D. Bosch (and Chetyre, but he doesn't count) waiting in the wings.

With more getting stuff, instead of just racing through, this run is certainly possible. I just don't know how much time that would add.

[quote]From where in the story on did you rely on Ryus Dragon stuff? Immediately after you got Odjn?[/quote]
No, I knew I would have no chance if I did that. Let me try and remember what I did. The main problem with running this game is that even disregarding D-Dive, the optimal strategy for fights is usually much slower than the fastest way. While this is great game design on Capcom's part, it doesn't do us any favors. I wasn't too careful and didn't take any notes because this was a (failed) proof of concept run.

I didn't fight any non-required fights. Besides XP, this also hampered me severely in regards to Fol and ID equipment. I also didn't go out of my way to pick up any items or chests.  I spend most of my money at the beginning on Fresh Meat, and healing items later. I use up any Party XP I get on Ryu. I had to estimate how to best use Dragon powers to minimize D-Counter usage for each fight, and it was really surprising how many fights, I would knock the enemy down to a [i]tiny[/i] sliver, and then be able to Cooldown and attack with Ryu and others for the win, or sometimes barely not be able to do this and reset.

In the first dungeon, Bosch's Twin Wake combo is good. Ryu's X Blade would be good too, except you don't come with Side Slash. I get Kick in the first dungeon; it's quite useful. I run around everywhere with D-Dash while it doesn't increase the D-Counter. (This alone is a good reason why a BoF5 run would look so nice.) I end the first Bosch fight with low D-Counter. Against the Lieutenants, I D-Dive, which in retrospect I would see if I could live without. At the end of CorpLab, I buy the Antenna, the rod with Lightning built in. Against the Gunners and Battlers, I D-Dive, because that fight is nigh impossible at low levels and would take forever besides. More importantly, killing those 8 guys first turn gives a ton of Party XP. Asimov I also D-Dive, but I would see if I could avoid doing that. The main issue is that pushing him into Fragballs is the best way to fight him, but it's in an optional chest. I wonder if Frost (Goo Sapphire drop) would be better, I'd have to see. The level 1 traps are G-Flare and Joltball, how unlucky. Against Zeno and Mage Captains, I D-Dive of course. This fight is hard enough on a normal playthrough. Afterwards I ID Zeno's Violet Blade and use that.

Because of newfound levels and decent weapons, Tantra actually goes down without much difficulty. I D-Dive Geegagis because he is so hard to kill and it takes forever, although if I had Fragball, I think I would have used that instead. I then kill Geegagis-powered Tantra without D-Dive. I remember to buy 1 Multimeds for Nina for the upcoming fight in Trinity. The Trinity battle takes far too long, but I still did it without D-Dive because at this point, I was glad it was still possible. Then the difficulty spikes. I D-Dive against Bosch at Lifeline, then again for Deamoned, and the regents. I picked Hortensia and then Vexacion, because I mistakenly thought that like Zeno, the fight ended when the leader dies. I think I should have went Cupid and Jezuit instead. Cupid has 340 less (HP+ABD) than Hortensia, which mattered because I had to use an extra Vortex I think. Against Jezuit, G-Flare doesn't do enough to get past his ABD and knock him out of his untargetable stage, so you'd have to wait it out or likely die instead before then. Which is why maybe Fragball [i]is[/i] a good idea.

Then against Elyon I was toast, with Bosch and D. Bosch (and Chetyre, but he doesn't count) waiting in the wings.

With more getting stuff, instead of just racing through, this run is certainly possible. I just don't know how much time that would add.

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-05-25 04:32:56 pm

2005-05-25 04:32:31 pm

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I don't like wild guessing, but this run might be the hardest one to plan I've ever seen. Even on normal playing this game is too much for a lot of people, and with low level and a constantly ticking D-Counter it's a heart attack waiting to happen. I'm playing this game for the first time myself at the moment, currently I mourn some 4 hours lost because I didn't save (PAL version -> no temporary save but you start with 9 Save Tokens) before Bosch at Lifeline and got creamed.

Enhasa

2005-05-26 04:33:02 am

everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music

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I don't like wild guessing, but this run might be the hardest one to plan I've ever seen. Even on normal playing this game is too much for a lot of people, and with low level and a constantly ticking D-Counter it's a heart attack waiting to happen. I'm playing this game for the first time myself at the moment, currently I mourn some 4 hours lost because I didn't save (PAL version -> no temporary save but you start with 9 Save Tokens) before Bosch at Lifeline and got creamed.

I'm always glad to see more people play this game: IMHO the best RPG on the PS2. I wish I'd known you were just starting; I would have tried to avoid unnecessary spoilers.

Yep, the planning and also execution for a BoF5 speedrun is pretty ridiculous. And for once, you Europeans got screwed with a PAL version. Instead of adding extra little features, they messed up the save system. Good luck going for the Dragon Quarter (1/4). I guess with no soft save, you'll just have to set aside a day for this. =/

[quote]I don't like wild guessing, but this run might be the hardest one to plan I've ever seen. Even on normal playing this game is too much for a lot of people, and with low level and a constantly ticking D-Counter it's a heart attack waiting to happen. I'm playing this game for the first time myself at the moment, currently I mourn some 4 hours lost because I didn't save (PAL version -> no temporary save but you start with 9 Save Tokens) before Bosch at Lifeline and got creamed.[/quote]
I'm always glad to see more people play this game: IMHO the best RPG on the PS2. I wish I'd known you were just starting; I would have tried to avoid unnecessary spoilers.

Yep, the planning and also execution for a BoF5 speedrun is pretty ridiculous. And for once, you Europeans got screwed with a PAL version. Instead of adding extra little features, they messed up the save system. Good luck going for the Dragon Quarter (1/4). I guess with no soft save, you'll just have to set aside a day for this. =/

Yoshi348

2005-05-26 04:55:29 am

dinosaur from the past

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And for once, you Europeans got screwed with a PAL version.

Rofl.

Gorash

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Gorash: 2005-05-27 12:28:49 am

2005-05-26 12:46:43 pm

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I guess with no soft save, you'll just have to set aside a day for this. =/

Oh well about the spoiler... I just skipped them Wink

And for the dragon quarter... isn't a condition for that to complete the game in 8 hours? (No, I wasn't looking up walk throughs, I just wanted to know if my first guess that you get a better D-ratio in the next play through was correct...) There's your upper boundary Smiley

And PAL gamers are usually screwed. We got the clearly better TV standard, but we get rewarded for it with games in slomo featuring black bars. The rare cases of extras outweighing the speed alone is almost nonexistant.

mikwuyma

2005-05-26 05:54:05 pm

My feelings on The Demon Rush

Gorash: That and replacing Contra with robots = poop

PAL gamers usually get screwed, whether it's speed (Mario Kart, a billion other games) or features (Twisted Metal Black). I don't know where you got the idea that PAL games are better Enhasa.