BioShock 2

cortez

2014-05-21 02:24:19 pm

Stalker!

Quote from Blood Thunder:

My timing could also be due to human error (starting too late, spliting too early) so it may not be entirely correct.

Ahh i forgot you timed via twitch and via vdub. Sure that makes it hard to be accurate.

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You're correct about plasmids only being needed in a few fixed spots.

I have played through the DLC now and noticed that there are (if im correct) 3 plasmids which are needed.
Gravity Well in Minervas Den and Operations, which both can be skipped.
Electrobolt in Minervas Den and The Thinker. The one point in Minervas Den might be skippable. Maybe its possible to even avoid picking it, if the game doesnt remember what you did in the last level and just gives it to you. Like the shotgun in Neptunes Bounty.
Incinerate in Operations, which doesnt seem to be skippable.

Oh, and one small sidenote. You can jump on the first maglock and you are able to directly shoot the diodes. I wasnt able to abuse it in a goodway. Maybe someone else has more luck.

[quote="Blood Thunder"]My timing could also be due to human error (starting too late, spliting too early) so it may not be entirely correct.[/quote]

Ahh i forgot you timed via twitch and via vdub. Sure that makes it hard to be accurate.

[quote="Blood Thunder"]You're correct about plasmids only being needed in a few fixed spots.  [/quote]
I have played through the DLC now and noticed that there are (if im correct) 3 plasmids which are needed.
Gravity Well in Minervas Den and Operations, which both can be skipped.
Electrobolt in Minervas Den and The Thinker. The one point in Minervas Den might be skippable. Maybe its possible to even avoid picking it, if the game doesnt remember what you did in the last level and just gives it to you. Like the shotgun in Neptunes Bounty.
Incinerate in Operations, which doesnt seem to be skippable.

Oh, and one small sidenote. You can jump on the first maglock and you are able to directly shoot the diodes. I wasnt able to abuse it in a goodway. Maybe someone else has more luck.

Blood Thunder

2014-05-21 03:41:26 pm

Incinerate can be skipped by using thermal cells (ion laser!) :3

cortez

2014-05-22 02:28:53 pm

Stalker!

Quote from Blood Thunder:

Incinerate can be skipped by using thermal cells (ion laser!) :3

i thought about about avoiding the turbine control. I tested it too and it works fine. Good to know that this plasmid is also not needed.

The route for operations is mostly straight forward. Dunno about a good route for the thinker.
And at Minervas Den the maglock behaves quiet weird. Sometimes im not able to do the glitch. It seems like something needs to be done to trigger that glitch.

cortez

2014-05-30 02:06:40 am

Stalker!

Adonis Luxory Resort in 4:59;450

cortez

2014-05-31 02:00:58 pm

Stalker!

Does anyone know the diary skips work in bioshock2?

why did you reload at the beginning of Atlantic Express Bloodthunder?

Isnt there a way to skip that elenor scene before picking up telekinesis? The scene before picking up electrobolt is similar.

Blood Thunder

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Blood Thunder: 2014-05-31 11:45:13 pm

Blood Thunder: 2014-05-31 11:43:02 pm

2014-05-31 11:42:25 pm

Nice job on Adonis, looks really clean :D! You might be able to save a little bit more time if you grab electrobolt from further away, the game will always place you in the same spot after picking it up so the closer you stand to that spot when you grab electrobolt, the faster you will move on to the cutscene.

There are 2 forms of diary skipping in bioshock 2.

1) Glitch out 1 message and the rest of the diaries in the area are skipped (you would want to use this method). You need to play the diary you picked up in Adonis (used to skip electrobolt cutscene) at the exact same time tenebaum starts her radio message in the beginning. Since the trick is has a very very small window to get it, I quicksave during my runs so that I can try over and over until I get it.

2) After a radio message has started, you can quicksave,quickload, then play your diary message to skip that particular radio message. (we use this method for single segment runs where we don't have a consistent method for using the 1st method).

Unfortunately not all the Elenor scenes are the same, the one at telekinesis can't be skipped in the same way as electrobolt. (there are several later on that also can't be skipped in Dionysus park and Fontaine Futurisitcs). At least no one has been able to do it so far, they could just have very particular timing.

Nice job on Adonis, looks really clean :D! You might be able to save a little bit more time if you grab electrobolt from further away, the game will always place you in the same spot after picking it up so the closer you stand to that spot when you grab electrobolt, the faster you will move on to the cutscene.

There are 2 forms of diary skipping in bioshock 2.

1) Glitch out 1 message and the rest of the diaries in the area are skipped (you would want to use this method). You need to play the diary you picked up in Adonis (used to skip electrobolt cutscene) at the exact same time tenebaum starts her radio message in the beginning. Since the trick is has a very very small window to get it, I quicksave during my runs so that I can try over and over until I get it.

2) After a radio message has started, you can quicksave,quickload, then play your diary message to skip that particular radio message. (we use this method for single segment runs where we don't have a consistent method for using the 1st method).

Unfortunately not all the Elenor scenes are the same, the one at telekinesis can't be skipped in the same way as electrobolt. (there are several later on that also can't be skipped in Dionysus park and Fontaine Futurisitcs). At least no one has been able to do it so far, they could just have very particular timing.

Blood Thunder

2014-06-02 09:26:10 pm

As SGDQ is approaching, I've begun derusting and practing bs2 once again. I actually found something while messing around with a silly trick I saw on youtube. We knew you could use items placed just right (usually on a slope) to boost up like the Magic Table of Flight in Bs1 but it's not anywhere near consistent enough to do in a run, but this may solve the problem (for anything Siren's Alley or later).

Using winterblast 3 (haven't tried with WB2 but it should still work) on an enemy and using telekinesis 2/3 to pick them up keeps their collision intact since they are still alive and will boost you upwards. The only place I know this will be useful at the moment is the last wing in Inner Persephone.

Here is a video from my stream of me finding it/messing around. I initially found it using Elenor but upon trying it with some normal splicers in the area, you can still get the boost upwards if you can do it fast enough otherwise they will melt. (http://www.twitch.tv/bl00d_thunder/c/4386683)

As SGDQ is approaching, I've begun derusting and practing bs2 once again. I actually found something while messing around with a silly trick I saw on youtube. We knew you could use items placed just right (usually on a slope) to boost up like the Magic Table of Flight in Bs1 but it's not anywhere near consistent enough to do in a run, but this may solve the problem (for anything Siren's Alley or later).

Using winterblast 3 (haven't tried with WB2 but it should still work) on an enemy and using telekinesis 2/3 to pick them up keeps their collision intact since they are still alive and will boost you upwards. The only place I know this will be useful at the moment is the last wing in Inner Persephone.

Here is a video from my stream of me finding it/messing around. I initially found it using Elenor but upon trying it with some normal splicers in the area, you can still get the boost upwards if you can do it fast enough otherwise they will melt. (http://www.twitch.tv/bl00d_thunder/c/4386683)

cortez

2014-06-07 03:27:42 am

Stalker!

somehow i cant get the radio skip done at the end of atlantic express?
is there anything to notice

Blood Thunder

2014-06-07 08:11:41 am

I'm not quite following, the only radio skip you need to do in Atlantic Express is at the very beginning.

Also, I got a new record with 1:17:54 (still a bad time but its an improvement :3)
http://www.twitch.tv/bl00d_thunder/c/4416613

cortez

2014-06-07 01:05:15 pm

Stalker!

for me the tenenbaum 'thank you and good luck' message and the sinclair messages are always played and they dont interrupt each other.

that will take like ~2min extra.

thats why i ask.

Blood Thunder

2014-06-07 02:03:51 pm

So all the other messages get skipped but those 2 don't? I have never encountered something like that. It could be due to saves, if you diary skip then let the area unload (quit to menu/quit to windows, or load another level) you would need to diary skip again when you load the area back in.

2 things you could do, do an entire level worth of segments without quitting the game or do multiple diary skips (1 for every segment).

Never realized how annoying diary skips would actually be to the segmenting process.

cortez

2014-06-10 02:18:21 pm

Stalker!

Quote from Blood Thunder:

So all the other messages get skipped but those 2 don't? I have never encountered something like that. It could be due to saves, if you diary skip then let the area unload (quit to menu/quit to windows, or load another level) you would need to diary skip again when you load the area back in.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lbxhv4vcswud0eo/test-muxed.mp4
this is what it looks like for me. doing the level i one session doesnt help either.

Blood Thunder

2014-06-11 10:11:06 am

Do you happen to have the beginning of the area recorded (up until that point?). It's very strange that this is occuring because I've never had this problem and I have no clue if this is something that is happening in this part of Atlantic Express or something you did earlier in the stage.

cortez

2014-06-11 02:21:31 pm

Stalker!

Quote from Blood Thunder:

Do you happen to have the beginning of the area recorded (up until that point?).

Sure. there you go?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cs9ieesodgqadtm/test.mp4

maybe it depends on the version?
i use version 1.5.0.019 on steam with both dlcs

Blood Thunder

2014-06-11 09:19:32 pm

That's the same version I use, but I think I see what you're doing wrong.

For some reason you're not actually getting the all in one method off the 1st diary or a load/save is messing it up. If you get it, the message when you go to pick up the hack tool would be skipped as well. If you are getting it in that video (does look like it), that save/load before the hack tool is messing it up.

You can go to 5:20 in my WR highlight and see how the 2 video compare.( http://www.twitch.tv/bl00d_thunder/c/4446084 )

On a related note, that highlight is my new WR 1:16:32!!! Cheesy

cortez

2014-06-15 02:17:09 pm

Stalker!

grr thanks to the tactic, atlantic express needs to be done in one segment.

your 6:41 there is an extrem good time.

Blood Thunder

2014-06-16 10:45:54 am

My best for that stage is actually just a 6:56 according to my Wsplit.

As I posted before, it doesn't necessarily need to be 1 segment, as long as you don't leave the area or quit the game the Radio messages will continue to be glitched out so you'd just have to complete every segment for that area in the same session.

After SGDQ I will have plenty of time to hopefully find some new tricks but I'd also be willing to help get some segments done if needed. I promise not to pull an explodingcabbage :p

cortez

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cortez: 2014-06-16 01:38:48 pm

cortez: 2014-06-16 01:27:05 pm

2014-06-16 12:52:44 pm

Stalker!

Ahh you mean restarting game causes the problems?

EDIT: Okay found a way to do it segmented. just do the glitch at the start of the session. then the save games will work too.
Works even with save games of that level which are a few days old.

btw dont forget about minervas den. which also needs to be run Wink

cortez

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cortez: 2014-06-16 01:46:54 pm

2014-06-16 01:36:06 pm

Stalker!

Quote from Blood Thunder:

My best for that stage is actually just a 6:56 according to my Wsplit.

I timed from 5:29 (5:16 of the timer) to 12:10 (11:47 of the timer) of the twitch highlight, loading & autosave screens wont count anyway.
Its not 100% accurate but as colse to the optimum as it gets =)

Maybe RTA are timed differently.

Blood Thunder

2014-06-16 03:22:10 pm

Right I forgot about the loading screen being a part of the time but yes restarting the game is what was causing the issue :D!

cortez

2014-06-17 11:54:14 am

Stalker!

how did you do that trick when you fall down into the water, so that you can move instantly?

Blood Thunder

2014-06-17 01:31:20 pm

Just stand in the back corner (just to the right when you enter that room) and face the wall (the same wall that has the door). you'll get dropped down and you'll end up looking almost in the exact direction you need to go.

cortez

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cortez: 2014-06-22 04:38:10 am

2014-06-19 02:38:38 pm

Stalker!

Atlantic Express in 6:27;917

cortez

2014-06-21 10:23:44 am

Stalker!

is there anything to notice about the diary skip at ryans?
it seems to be quiet hard.

Blood Thunder

2014-06-21 10:47:21 am

That skip isn't too hard but sometimes it helps to completely close the game, open it back up and load the autosave. (this goes for all diary skips)