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everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
God, this post reeks of fanboyism. o_o

Since it didn't fit in the subject, the full title is Baten Kaitos 2: Wings of the Beginning and the Heir to the Gods (you can thank Monolith for their trademark long titles), but it's still a working title in English.

This isn't even the game that I'm looking forward to the very most, but it's actually supposedly coming out in the US in June (!), so it's worth talking about now. Um, to like the 1-2 people that have any clue what I'm talking about. Well, Nintendo itself published in Japan and is localizing this one (explains the quick localization, since they can put their 700lb gorilla-ness into it), so maybe more people will notice it.

For those who don't know, Baten Kaitos 2 takes place just 20 years before Baten Kaitos: Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean, a GC RPG "dream team" collaboration. Monolith (Chrono, Xeno) did the graphics, world/locations, story/scenarios, characters, etc, which might be obvious since there are similarities to previous games. (It's a well known "fact" that the best parts of their games involve floating islands, so maybe it's saying something that this game is all on floating islands. ;)) tri-Crescendo (a spinoff of tri-Ace... Star Ocean, Valkyrie Profile, Radiata Stories) did the music, gameplay mechanics, battle system, programming, etc. Personally, based off of just this one stupid picture, I absolutely cannot wait for their first solo project, which is still several years down the line (I mean, they're still hiring).

Anyway, if you've played BK1, you would know why any future games would likely have to take place in the past. (Don't think about that comment too long or you will spoil it for yourself, lol.) BK2's story arc is basically the reverse of BK1's, starting from within the Empire and making its way to the fringes.

The thing is, BK2 sold abysmally in Japan. I'm still looking forward to it though, in part because Holystar really likes it. He has some gameplay footage, although I would strongly recommend against watching the FileFront videos since they will spoil everything, and of course I haven't watched them myself. So, the commercial failure of BK2 is really calling into question the future of the series, which seems to be this disturbing trend among games that I like, VP notwithstanding. Namco chose not to publish BK2 after publishing BK1 (and Xenosaga), and while DS titles of their other two big RPG series (Tales and Xenosaga) are going full blast, any mention of the DS Baten Kaitos on their website is gone, and rumors are that it was cancelled.

I'm not really sure this bothers me all too much, since you can only keep going back into the past so often. The DS game was supposed to be about how the islands were formed in the first place, and while that would be a nice way to finish a series as a trilogy, it's not essential. Since Xenosaga is ending prematurely after 3, if BK is ending, that means that Monolith won't have any existing series to work on. I think that'd be great, as I'd like to see something new (don't care much for Xenosaga), and at any rate, I get the feeling that Namco wants to dump them really bad and just focus on Tales. And as for tri-Crescendo, of course I'd love to see them make games on their own, especially since I like their half of the BK contribution more anyway, and they seem much less stagnant than Monolith. Monolith has its moments of greatness, but I think they're quite inconsistent.



Now that I've rambled on forever, now for some actual media. Since the game's already out in Japan, if you go here you can see some impressions, screenshots, and video. Since I admire Motoi Sakuraba more than anyone else in the video game industry, I'm more interested in the music. Several days ago I "obtained" the OST from a certain "game mp3s" site. In listening to it though, I encountered about the mildest spoiler possible: what the final boss music sounds like. I know what you're thinking: can't you just tell what things like the regular battle theme and the credits song are, without being told?

Perhaps, but trust me, there is no way you would be able to tell what this song is, which is part of the absolute fucking genius. In fact, I haven't played it yet, but it's maybe my favorite final boss song ever. I mean, who would create a relatively short, aria-like waltz (sung by his kindergarten-ish daughter in Italian, heh) for the final battle theme? Oh and the title is "Le Ali del Principio," which means "the wings of principle," although I don't know if "principle" has the same multiple meanings that it does in English, and I always thought "principio" meant "lead," as in first chair, or protagonist. Even modeled like an aria, it might seem pretentious to do this in Italian, but really, Sakuraba's Italian is probably better than his English (everything on his page is translated into both).

To compare and contrast, the other final battle song that I really love is his work from Star Ocean 3. It's just as awesome, but thematically almost the opposite: "intellectual" instead of emotional (which makes sense because of the difference in the themes of the respective games), over 10 minutes long, and in prog rock/jazz form. It has the most sinister jazz bits I've ever heard, if that makes any sense.

If you're wondering why I'm wasting time talking so much about the music, it's tough work trying to get someone to play a game or even watch a run, but hopefully not to listen to a couple songs. Tongue
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spineshark: 2006-04-06 01:39:28 am
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I kept hoping the first game would get cheap, but it never did. Sad  Now I'm stuck choosing between it and Gunstar Super Heroes (which will finally be made this weekend).

I like music though...I thought the release of a track as promotional material for Mother 3 was pretty cool.

Speaking of Motoi Sakuraba, SNES ToP Forest of Treants is like, the godliest thing I've ever heard.  In fact, as much as I lament the battle system in that version, it made those first five hours of the game worthwhile.
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1) You're looking forward to BK2 more than Mother 3? For shame.

2) Have you played Mother? That had a real interesting (and very fitting) final boss theme, too. (I didn't listen to any of that BK2 music, by the way. And I skipped over most of what you wrote about it. I'll have to come back and read this after I've played the game.)

3) I want a spinoff title that follows the further adventures of The Great Mizuti, throughout her world and any others she may find. ~_^
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VorpalEdge: 2006-04-06 02:37:29 am
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Yeah, Sakuraba's freaking awesome.  My favorite game composer (well, I prefer virt actually, but he's worked on so few games).

The intro of highbrow reminds me of Fighting of the Spirit for some odd reason.  No, not just because sakuraba composed both.
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I'm somewhat concerned; I've heard far too much negative, or at least, I've heard far too much of changes I would classify as negative, about Baten Kaitos 2 and particularly about its battle system.  From what infrequent accounts I've witnessed, the reported mechanics seem disappointingly elementary compared to the original, and, despite the artwork and soundtrack, the battle system was the original's strongest feature, so who knows why Monolith chose to pursue a different schematic.  I've always cherished spontaneous distillations of the water, but one should only change something when the change is necessary or integral to improvement.  Hopefully, it's either just an experiment sought to approach said improvement, or there will be tweaks before its release or an utter redesign before the third in the series...
Awww, really?  Is there no one who appreciates Xenosaga's sophisticated storyline?  True, the turn-based and combo-based combat systems are relatively weak, but I'll be damned if its authorship doesn't far exceed most any other RPG franchise, especially anything from Square (though, not necessarily Enix, as I've far less experience with their offerings).  Well, hey, it's your opinion. 

Although, I am surprised to have found one out there who actually enjoys the presence of one Great Mizuti, The.  I'm not sure if it was the mask, the voice, the Japanocentric culture she subliminally seems to represent, or just the typical RPG reliance on break-out, stock characters that irritates me, but I hope the Great Mizuti dies in the prequel and they rerelease the original with a substitute character.  Okay, jk!  I just thought I'd exaggerate to arouse (no, not that way, perverts) StrangenessDSS.      Wink
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SNES ToP Forest of Treants is like, the godliest thing I've ever heard

ToP is one of my favorite soundtracks overall, but my favorite song of that game has to be Freezekill's music. Go back and listen to it. So beautiful... I could listen to that looping for 30 minutes straight.

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1) You're looking forward to BK2 more than Mother 3? For shame.

2) Have you played Mother? That had a real interesting (and very fitting) final boss theme, too.

Well, what's in the sig are games that I have already decided I'll get even if all the reviews say it's godawful. I don't expect that to happen with any of them, or Mother 3 for that matter, so it's mostly a pointless distinction since I'll be getting Mother 3 as well.

And actually, it is precisely because I have played Mother 1 that I am not looking forward to 3 quite as much as I could, since I actually liked 1 more than 2.

And the first post is spoiler free (except for what you could say, find on the back of the box). But that doesn't mean you need to read it all; there was a lot of fluff. Tongue

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I'm somewhat concerned; I've heard far too much negative, or at least, I've heard far too much of changes I would classify as negative, about Baten Kaitos 2 and particularly about its battle system.

I heard it was dumbed down/streamlined too, which probably explains the poor Japanese sales. But since I trust Holystar completely on this sort of thing, and if he says it's good, that's good enough for me.

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the battle system was the original's strongest feature, so who knows why Monolith chose to pursue a different schematic. ... Hopefully, it's either just an experiment sought to approach said improvement, or there will be tweaks before its release or an utter redesign before the third in the series...

The battle system in BK is done by tri-Crescendo, so I don't know if you miscredited them or you think that maybe they were coerced to simplify it. There shouldn't be any tweaks since it's already out in Japan, and besides, the changes are larger than tweaks. About the 3rd in the series, I personally don't think it's coming, and really I don't mind. I actually was a little taken aback when BK2 was announced; they don't have to turn every game I like into a series. Tongue

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Awww, really?  Is there no one who appreciates Xenosaga's sophisticated storyline?

A lot of people appreciate Xenosaga, but it's just not for me. Oh, and I was referring to the series up above. Even people who liked Xenosaga 1, most of them aren't too thrilled with the rest of the series. Before 2 was completed, they forced out the scriptwriters, and even made changes to the script of 2 after it was already done. Like I said, I think Namco just wants to focus on Tales.
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^ Yes, I was assuming some coercion took place.  And yeah, I wasn't really serious about the tweaking; it was more Quixotic wishing...  Wink

And that's fine if you don't favor Xenosaga; I was being somewhat facetious with the poor-little-xenosaga sympathizing.  Although, I personally feel that Xenosaga II was every bit as intricate and developed as the first, despite how badly Junior needed to sit down and shut up.  Certainly, the series has taken a dramatic turn for the worse, considering the cessation of future sequels which was a somewhat recent decision, but I'd like to think that a reversal of this decision is imminent or at least coming far down the line someday, and if not, then I will make sure to enjoy whatever Xenosaga III can offer to its fullest extent.  While frivolous sequels are certainly a plague on the videogaming society, Xenosaga deserves a fully expounded story to properly resolve all of its storylines, I feel.
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And actually, it is precisely because I have played Mother 1 that I am not looking forward to 3 quite as much as I could, since I actually liked 1 more than 2.

I liked 1 more than 2 also. But that's part of the reason I am looking forward to 3... with the differences between the first two, and what's been shown of the third, I know they're not trying to make the same game over again like a lot of sequels are. Maybe I'll like it more, maybe I won't, but I know it will be interesting and new.

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I heard it was dumbed down/streamlined too, which probably explains the poor Japanese sales. But since I trust Holystar completely on this sort of thing, and if he says it's good, that's good enough for me.

Dumbed down and streamlined are very different things! BK's battle system, as good as it was (I actually enjoyed running into enemies for a good portion of the game), got kinda tiresome in the end. The final dungeon had a lot of long battles, and the very last one was the only one that came close to killing me. That could certainly have used some streamlining or other tweaking.


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spineshark: 2006-04-06 05:21:48 pm
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ToP is one of my favorite soundtracks overall, but my favorite song of that game has to be Freezekill's music. Go back and listen to it. So beautiful... I could listen to that looping for 30 minutes straight.

Damn, I guess I have to now...I kinda stopped on the SNES version after Undine since I didn't like the battle system.  I bought the GBA version and honestly prefer the gameplay by a lot...but I haven't made it to that point in either version.

Aaaand I've been listening to that first track like crazy...WOW.

I also bought BK1...but it has a lot to live up to, since you've indicated that it's better than a game I played for about five hours a day for three weeks. O_o

edit: okay, wtf...i can't get the disks out of the case, hahahahaahaha

also, i could never get into earthbound...i dunno why.
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If Xenosaga 3 ends up being successful, do you think Monolith will continue the series?
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Oh, hey! Since Nintendo is localizing BK2, maybe they'll hire some voice actors this time! Wouldn't that be nice?


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also, i could never get into earthbound...i dunno why.

Because you are dead inside, a hollow shell of what once was a person. That's the only possible reason.

I kid... maybe. ~_^
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Wee, super long post!

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I know they're not trying to make the same game over again like a lot of sequels are. Maybe I'll like it more, maybe I won't, but I know it will be interesting and new.

To be honest, I am a little worried that it'll be too similar to 2. All I know is that I was more interested when the N64 vaporware was floating around the first time.

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Dumbed down and streamlined are very different things!

It's because they are different things that I included both of them! As in, some people would say dumbed down and others would say streamlined. And about IMW, well, it's interesting just reading how he writes, lol.

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Damn, I guess I have to now...I kinda stopped on the SNES version after Undine since I didn't like the battle system.  I bought the GBA version and honestly prefer the gameplay by a lot...but I haven't made it to that point in either version.

You know there's a complete sound test in the SFC version right? I think they took it out of the GBA version though. Although, do you know about SPCs? You can just get that. Oh, and I only spent a couple minutes with the GBA version (so I can't speak of the gameplay), but you should know that saying you prefer it can get you absolutely lynched by many people. Since the common opinion is that it's the worst port ever, or something to that effect.

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I also bought BK1...but it has a lot to live up to, since you've indicated that it's better than a game I played for about five hours a day for three weeks. O_o

If ToS was your first Tales, I could understand people absolutely loving it. Actually, it was ToS that made me decide to swear off the series if I could (even though I liked it). It was hard, but I succeeded in not buying Legendia, and it'll be even harder not getting Abyss, since all indications are that it's amazing. Even though I like Tales, I just can't keep up with all the games coming out rapid-fire that are too similar to each other (I bet this only happens to me, lol). I mean, I know people IRL that, Tales games are the only video games they play anymore.

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If Xenosaga 3 ends up being successful, do you think Monolith will continue the series?

They said they wouldn't, and I believe them, so no. Would you like them to? I get the feeling that they want to work on something new, and at any rate, their development team has been kinda falling apart.

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Because you are dead inside, a hollow shell of what once was a person. That's the only possible reason.

The other possible reason, I think, is if you didn't play it until you heard all of the more recent Internet cult-classic buzz and expected something else. But at the time, it was pretty novel stuff. I guess you could compare it to River City Ransom like that.

Hmm, I just realized, and this is not supposed to be in any way negative, that if I restricted myself to only including the RPGs that I know you've played, Mother 1 would be my favorite one. Smiley Either that or Terranigma maybe.
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To be honest, I am a little worried that it'll be too similar to 2. All I know is that I was more interested when the N64 vaporware was floating around the first time.

Then know that it's using the same logo and characters (and, presumably, plot and setting and whatnot) as the N64 version, and be worried no more!

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Hmm, I just realized, and this is not supposed to be in any way negative, that if I restricted myself to only including the RPGs that I know you've played, Mother 1 would be my favorite one. Either that or Terranigma maybe.

If I made a list of my very favorite games, those two would be on it. ^_^
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Oh, hey! Since Nintendo is localizing BK2, maybe they'll hire some voice actors this time! Wouldn't that be nice?

After Path of Radiance I might not get my hopes up about voice actors Grin

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Because you are dead inside, a hollow shell of what once was a person. That's the only possible reason.

I kid... maybe. ~_^

Damn, I hope not.
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The other possible reason, I think, is if you didn't play it until you heard all of the more recent Internet cult-classic buzz and expected something else. But at the time, it was pretty novel stuff. I guess you could compare it to River City Ransom like that.

I had heard it was pretty..."quirky" or something..."Well, a weird game, that's right up my alley!"  Except...I dunno, it was still weirder than I could ever imagine.  I remember totally failing in all the battles I fought too.  And the fact that usually I hear about the game in the m2k2 irc channel, where it's always an "eat some penis and go to bed" joke...
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You know there's a complete sound test in the SFC version right? I think they took it out of the GBA version though. Although, do you know about SPCs? You can just get that. Oh, and I only spent a couple minutes with the GBA version (so I can't speak of the gameplay), but you should know that saying you prefer it can get you absolutely lynched by many people. Since the common opinion is that it's the worst port ever, or something to that effect.

Ahh, yeah, there is on SFC, but it was removed from the GBA cart...not sure why you'd want to listen to it though (the only GBA game that really deserves a sound test in my opinion is CotM...and it doesn't have one)

I'll renounce the GBA version if somebody can show me that, in fact, I am a godless heathen for thinking that random encounters are nothing but a button-mash in the SFC version.  Despite the weaker graphics (though, seriously, I rather like the fact that the characters vaguely resemble the character art), butchered music (if you played the GBA version, you may have cried upon leaving Toltus at the re-done version of "Mystic Forest"...I did =(...though I think that it may have still been for the best, considering the GBA sound hardware), and bizarre lag...I just can't play the original much, since I find the battles to be that dull.  FWIW, I don't actually think the battles in the GBA version lag, except when you've just won or are using a Magic Lens, they're just slow (the difference is, to me, that the controls are still responsive, the animations are just slow).  I'm well aware that the GBA version is unpopular with most Tales fans...and I don't care.

Incidentally, I liked the GBA version's boat scene too.  Go seemingly unintentional anti-humor!  (Is Meia really a he?  I have so much to say about this...)
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If ToS was your first Tales, I could understand people absolutely loving it. Actually, it was ToS that made me decide to swear off the series if I could (even though I liked it).

I seriously don't even know what it was...but I could not stop playing that game.  I got kinda hung up on Mania rank though...saved after making myself stuck in Triet, and I don't want to wimp out and lower the battle ranking for that one fight.

I played a little of BK though, and I'm intrigued (glad I got the discs out of the case...XD).  Back to try and almost stay on the topic.
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Nah that's ok, this topic is already kinda derailed, and I just found something else I need to make a thread about. =/

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I remember totally failing in all the battles I fought too.  And the fact that usually I hear about the game in the m2k2 irc channel, where it's always an "eat some penis and go to bed" joke...

That is something you could dislike about Earthbound, which I forgot. The battles are totally traditional and mostly uninspired, except for things like the backgrounds and the rolling counter. Also, the battles are much harder/annoying than you would expect from the rest of the game.

Oh, and I always thought it was "pussy." Lips Sealed

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Then know that it's using the same logo and characters (and, presumably, plot and setting and whatnot) as the N64 version, and be worried no more!

I've heard this both ways, but I guess I'll believe you, heh. Although I think it was less of the actual information, and more of the fact that it was going to be in 3D on the N64. I wanted to know what that would have been like. Probably not too different really.

Actually, I'm going to hit up wikipedia and starmen.net and Magic Box (HOLY SHIT, other news... I'm going to have to create a new thread). Mother 3 is the most wanted game in Japan, but I knew that. Hmm, apparently it's being co-developed by Brownie Brown and HAL. One of these companies I really like, the other I don't care for. I wonder if I need to elaborate.

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If I made a list of my very favorite games, those two would be on it. ^_^

Great, now all I have to do is get you to try some other games. ^_^ My telepathic mind control words are already working on others like Spine Shark!
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VorpalEdge: 2006-04-06 11:04:42 pm
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If the random battles are a button mash in the SFC version of Phantasia, they're a button mash in the GBA version too.  You just mash different buttons.

And I *highly* prefer the SFC version.  I'm getting a real copy off of ebay when I get the money. :/
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spineshark: 2006-04-07 01:21:28 am
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Okay, true, but are there even any good "A" attacks in the SFC version besides Cless jumping?  On the other hand, I find the new controls and the slow battles make this game like 5x easier than SFC, which isn't always good.  At the point I've reached, Demitel (and  to a slightly lesser extent, the demon in the prince's room with that HFJHXKH shield move) has been so utterly wussed down...don't know about other bosses.

I dunno, it's possible I'll like SFC a little better now, but I really don't know.  Certainly I respect the graphics and music more now that I've seen how easily they can be destroyed.

Enhasa: Your-whatever you prefer-are only half the story!  Incredibly, I now play RPGs because of WoW...:P  We bought the strategy guide, which had PA cartoons in it.  So I started reading PA, and one day they had a link to the "Sega Fantasy VI" flash video.  I watched that and eventually played FF6, which I totally loved, and then...

Hard/tedious random battles don't really stand as a logical reason for not liking EB to me though, since I've been playing Phantasy Star II, and...well, it's been like eight hours and I haven't faced a boss yet.  Basically every random battle is me pressing "FGHT" and watching the blows...and I got stuck because I'm missing a stick of dynamite needed in the Biosystems lab Sad so I'm wandering around the first dungeon which my party is way overleveled for.
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VorpalEdge: 2006-04-07 02:14:58 am
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Okay, true, but are there even any good "A" attacks in the SFC version besides Cless jumping?


Are there any good attacks on the gba version besides down-a?

Yeah, the gba version cut down a LOT of enemies.  Dhaos doesn't resist physical attacks, lots of enemies that used to absorb don't, charons don't absorb anything, Ogres in the cave of burning sand don't stun you and chain-hit you to death (which is a good thing :P), etc.
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spineshark: 2006-04-07 04:09:20 am
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Hrmmm...you know, I don't know what my problem was.  Aside from my brother constantly ruining my saves with states...it's not so bad.  I still like owning a legitimate copy though.

Seriously though, I want to see another 3-D battle Tales game.  Something about triple-melee-meat-mashing really rocked my face off.
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They said they wouldn't, and I believe them, so no. Would you like them to? I get the feeling that they want to work on something new, and at any rate, their development team has been kinda falling apart.


  I forgot that their development team has been having problems.  I don't see the point in them continuing the series with that happening.  Based on a video I saw over on YouTube, it looks the last Xenosaga game will be incredible.
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spineshark: 2006-04-10 04:48:18 pm
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Okay, so I played each a little more, and I've come to the following conclusion: I still like the GBA more (hell, if people come and lynch me this weekend, that would save me a lot of stress and work this week  Lips Sealed )...

First, I like the controls better...still.  Specifically, the tech controls, which are much improved from the crazy long range/short range stuff on SFC...I really hated using Blade Storm on an enemy I couldn't hurt because I was too close to zap them with lightning.  But also, the two move combos are kinda fun *is shot* since you can kinda lock enemies down with them in some cases.

I also think the difficulty curve on Battle Rank 2 is pretty respectable...Rank 1 is silly because the slow battles and weak enemies are boring.  I really did not appreciate bosses (especially Jamka since he'll kill you if you're just unlucky with when you attack) which can kill party member(s) instantly in the SFC version.  Admittedly, Demitel is too much of a wussy now (and Maxwell too).  It's still an easier game though...(except for Meia, and since you no longer get the Ice Scimitar for winning that battle, Efreet)

I also kinda like the consistency with ToS now (except they changed the death screen!  bah!) and I didn't really "like" the DeJap translation...(also, I find it hilarious that all-you-can-eat sausages are the cause of some male bonding on the boat now XD)

Also, you can play as other characters in this one...I don't hate playing as Cless (or Lloyd in ToS) but I'd usually rather be someone else (unless there's not a healer in the party, in the case of ToS...).

Also, Baten Kaitos...well, my brother really likes it...*is not going to let his brother touch the PS2 when he buys it* Tongue

I have gotten to play it a little bit.  It's fun.  A couple of the animations are clunky, and the voices are...OFF.  Also, none of the music has particularly struck me...I'm not always sure I like ambient music.  (In fact, I'm a sucker for arpeggios, clearly.  My favorite video game music would have to be..."Presea" from ToS, "J-E-N-O-V-A" from FF7, the dungeon song from Zelda II, Ice Cap Zone from Sonic 3, Intro Stage from MMX6...oh wait, I mean broken chords...bah)

edit again: i have really started to get into it, though i don't have as much time as i'd like...still, it's so different that i could never pick between it and symphonia...like choosing between my second best friends =)
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First, actual BK2 news! This is apparently HOT HOT HOT off the press.

So the June US release got pushed back to Sept 25. Not a big surprise. Also, the official US name was released: Baten Kaitos Origins. This is coming from someone who doesn't have any problem with the name "Wii", but *UPCHUCK*. My god, I'd rather have just "Baten Kaitos 2" even.



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Also, none of the music has particularly struck me...I'm not always sure I like ambient music.  (In fact, I'm a sucker for arpeggios, clearly.  My favorite video game music would have to be..."Presea" from ToS, "J-E-N-O-V-A" from FF7, the dungeon song from Zelda II, Ice Cap Zone from Sonic 3, Intro Stage from MMX6...oh wait, I mean broken chords...bah)

I love how both BK1 and ToS music were done by Sakuraba. Well, he has more variations in style than a couple other composers put together I think. And if you like broken chords, nothing will beat 2nd movement of Beethoven's Pathetique... um, that's probably not a fair comparison heh.

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edit again: i have really started to get into it, though i don't have as much time as i'd like...still, it's so different that i could never pick between it and symphonia...like choosing between my second best friends =)

That's because the GC only has 2 RPGs worth even thinking about. =p
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spineshark: 2006-05-10 05:45:49 am
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First, actual BK2 news! This is apparently HOT HOT HOT off the press.

So the June US release got pushed back to Sept 25. Not a big surprise. Also, the official US name was released: Baten Kaitos Origins. This is coming from someone who doesn't have any problem with the name "Wii", but *UPCHUCK*. My god, I'd rather have just "Baten Kaitos 2" even.

haha, wow.  i guess they really don't plan on any more prequels/sequels.

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I love how both BK1 and ToS music were done by Sakuraba. Well, he has more variations in style than a couple other composers put together I think. And if you like broken chords, nothing will beat 2nd movement of Beethoven's Pathetique... um, that's probably not a fair comparison heh.

i am totally playing that for piano right now. =)  i got a little farther; both soundtracks totally rock.  i also note that "chaotic dance" is the only time i have laughed about a battle theme.
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That's because the GC only has 2 RPGs worth even thinking about. =p

ouch.  i wanted to play skies of arcadia legends too!  even though, i did forget to think of that when i was writing that other message.
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haha, wow.  i guess they really don't plan on any more prequels/sequels.

That's what I said for other reasons, but you're right. I didn't think about it that way.

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i am totally playing that for piano right now. =)  i got a little farther; both soundtracks totally rock.  i also note that "chaotic dance" is the only time i have laughed about a battle theme.

Yup, I love playing that song because it's easy and sounds really good, and since I haven't really played piano since high school, those are nice factors. Wink

And yes, it is impossible to talk about BK's soundtrack and not mention Chaotic Dance. Wink BK2 and SO3 (I like this one the best actually) also have ___ Dance. But I actually kinda hope VPS doesn't lol.

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ouch.  i wanted to play skies of arcadia legends too!  even though, i did forget to think of that when i was writing that other message.

I forgot too, but:

1) I think of Skies of Arcadia as a DC game.
2) The DC is much, much better than the GC version.
3) It's actually not very good IMHO.
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spineshark: 2006-05-11 04:53:34 pm
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That's what I said for other reasons, but you're right. I didn't think about it that way.

it's honestly okay with me...i don't think i could stand to have more than like three or maybe four of them anyway.  i got to alfard and i was like "man, this is the longest game i've ever played" but then i checked the clock and i'd only gone for 14 1/2 hours.  so it just feels like the longest game ever.
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I forgot too, but:

1) I think of Skies of Arcadia as a DC game.
2) The DC is much, much better than the GC version.
3) It's actually not very good IMHO.

ahh, that's disappointing.  really, about five times on each version i almost bought it but ended up not buying it.