Are these speed runs copyrighted?

Lam6ch0p

2006-01-19 01:51:30 am

$inner

hmm, I remember somethin bout watermarkin in the ebay thread, but, then again i'm just a meat product

slYnki

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slYnki: 2006-01-19 02:44:02 am

2006-01-19 02:30:51 am

XXY

I'm gonna put a little thingy on the start of my PC runs, just like Spider-Waffle did. Something I'd just do out of common sense anyways. I may include one of those screens on my console runs, if I ever get a capture card. But I dunno, I think I may stick with sending my stuff to you, yonder Nate ;D.

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hmm, I remember somethin bout watermarkin in the ebay thread, but, then again i'm just a meat product

Don't ever assume the identity of anything that isn't human. There was a member here who took that ordeal too far @_@;

Or perhaps it would be better for me to say: [@ @]

nate

2006-01-19 02:31:18 am

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We certainly weren't talking about doing watermarking... only a 10 second intro. But we never designed it. Tongue

i was talking about doing nonintrusive watermarking with ... myself ... >_>

DAMURDOC

2006-01-19 02:51:45 am

The BaldurManiac

The thing is, that Nate doesn't provide any DVD's anymore so I guess people will just make their own dvds. SDA cannot really get the money out of the speedruns, but If you plan on doing anything, ask the runner and CREDIT everything.

Lam6ch0p

2006-01-19 02:58:04 am

$inner

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Don't ever assume the identity of anything that isn't human. There was a member here who took that ordeal too far @_@;

Or perhaps it would be better for me to say: [@ @]

Hmm, you're right, it would be bad, but, technically I'm still human...

As for dvds, I plan on gettin a friend of mine to burn some dvds of runs (i provide the dvds though :P)

illuminated

2006-01-19 03:15:52 am

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Don't ever assume the identity of anything that isn't human. There was a member here who took that ordeal too far @_@;

Who was it? Who was it?

Lam6ch0p

2006-01-19 03:19:10 am

$inner

Hmm, I wonder, least the wind isn't blowing right now, if it was it could stir up the sand, unless you put it in a bag

illuminated

2006-01-19 03:26:56 am

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Hmm, I wonder, least the wind isn't blowing right now, if it was it could stir up the sand, unless you put it in a bag

jimsfriend

2006-01-19 03:29:44 am

Like A Fox

sand_bag29 or something like that.

soteos

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soteos: 2006-01-19 03:30:47 am

2006-01-19 03:30:11 am

There was a user on here called Sandbag_29. Aside from spamming run requests, and providing the world's most obvious run improvements, he pretended to be an actual sandbag. For some he got quite annoying.

Lam6ch0p

2006-01-19 03:33:02 am

$inner

as for the thing of copyright, when I do a run (workin on powerstone) if you can get someone to buy it then you'll deserve the money Tongue

illuminated

2006-01-19 03:39:57 am

Ah, I see.

Well anyway,I'm not sure how I would feel about this. I mean its not really my game, I just played it in a manner befitting the content of the site I submitted it to. And if I'm not gonna get any money out of it why should I worry about what happens to it. Well thats just how I feel about it.

VippiN

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VippiN: 2006-01-19 09:22:52 am

2006-01-19 09:21:26 am

FF8 & FF12.. Long awaited runs.

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The original seller said he would not, on the auction, link to the run and give credit.

He told me the point of his auction was for people who can't download the runs. If that was true, PROVIDING A LINK to our runs would not be an issue - as he wouldn't lose business since anyone who could download wouldn't buy.

He was an obviousl liar.

No offence, but what a load of crap. How long would it take for someone on dialup to download an 800MB run? A week or more? Also, in Australia, you'll find that almost every dialup server provider will disconnect you every three hours. You can use a resume program, but some people don't have the knowledge of those programs.

To say I would be getting profit out of this is just sad. How much would I make? Five bucks if the bidding even goes that high? Christ if you're going to tear over that, I can wait till it gets to $30 or so then deliver that cash straight to this site. Some people are honest, and I take offence to your finger pointing.

If I wanted to make cash i'd just do it anyway without doing the right thing and posting here first. Actually if I wanted to make cash I wouldn't be doing this in the first place. Time = Not worth the piddly squat i'd get.

Captions or watermarking would be too much of a hassle. All i'd be doing would be burning to CD and sending, with a page of credit to the runner and site. If I were to do this, I would not email each runner, but I would give credit.

[quote]The original seller said he would not, on the auction, link to the run and give credit.

He told me the point of his auction was for people who can't download the runs.  If that was true, PROVIDING A LINK to our runs would not be an issue - as he wouldn't lose business since anyone who could download wouldn't buy.

He was an obviousl liar.

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No offence, but what a load of crap. How long would it take for someone on dialup to download an 800MB run? A week or more? Also, in Australia, you'll find that almost every dialup server provider will disconnect you every three hours. You can use a resume program, but some people don't have the knowledge of those programs.

To say I would be getting profit out of this is just sad. How much would I make? Five bucks if the bidding even goes that high? Christ if you're going to tear over that, I can wait till it gets to $30 or so then deliver that cash straight to this site. Some people are honest, and I take offence to your finger pointing.

If I wanted to make cash i'd just do it anyway without doing the right thing and posting here first. Actually if I wanted to make cash I wouldn't be doing this in the first place. Time = Not worth the piddly squat i'd get.

Captions or watermarking would be too much of a hassle. All i'd be doing would be burning to CD and sending, with a page of credit to the runner and site. If I were to do this, I would not email each runner, but I would give credit.

TSA

2006-01-19 10:25:37 am

Retired

Which brings us to my point. At least for my runs. I don't need you, you're a middle man, and I will do it free of charge. Period.

Anyone who truly wants a run on DVD can come to this site and inquire, and it can be made pretty much.

You also didn't even address my complaint -

Linking to a run on this site from an eBay auction, if your sole purpose is to help out dial-up users, does not detract from your service. Those with high speed will want to get it online, and do not need your service. Those with dial-up will stick with you.

Do you get that?

That statement would not offend your or seem damaging to your operation if you are telling the truth about your intentions.

Sir VG

2006-01-19 12:40:41 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

If Nate sells them for getting money for SDA, cool. If you download a couple and pass them off to a friend, cool as well.

Sell mine on eBay? thumbdown

It leads me to do stuff like...

me -> :shoot: you

Gibbatizer

2006-01-19 01:01:28 pm

I agree.
Nate or Radix should sell them if anyone, but I doubt either have enough time or inspiration to do it...

YautjaElder

2006-01-19 02:17:05 pm

Speed is the key.

I wouldn't mind if anyone sold my runs (not that I have any... yet) as long as they gave credit to me and SDA.

They could do what they wanted with the money, to give it to SDA would of course be the best, but I don't think anyone is that kind hearted.

RandomEngy

2006-01-19 05:21:46 pm

A Crab

Every run is automatically copyright of the runner. If you don't get specific permission from each runner before selling it, you're breaking copyright law, pure and simple. Get a list of runs you want to sell, then contact each of the runners individually and see if you can work something out. If you can't, tough, that's the way it is.

Lam6ch0p

2006-01-19 09:53:14 pm

$inner

Yep, so, if you just asked first then it would save you alot of trouble of getting into arguments and stuff

VippiN

2006-01-20 08:19:20 am

FF8 & FF12.. Long awaited runs.

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Every run is automatically copyright of the runner. If you don't get specific permission from each runner before selling it, you're breaking copyright law, pure and simple. Get a list of runs you want to sell, then contact each of the runners individually and see if you can work something out. If you can't, tough, that's the way it is.

You might want to pick up a law book one day.

I'm glad I made this thread nonetheless, has given me an outlook to some people that work here. Although somehow I think I liked it better when I didn't know.

I won't be doing this, providing a service to the Australian people, and giving little profit made to the SDA owners.

StrangenessDSS

2006-01-20 09:51:01 am

Sleeping Terror

Mind pointing out where he's wrong, instead of just saying "pick up a law book"? If you can.

Anyway. You came here and asked nicely if people minded you using their runs for this. Some said "go ahead", some said "no way". Now, instead of using the runs from the people who said "go ahead", you're getting hissy because some people said "no"? What did you expect, that everyone here would agree one way or the other?

Uncle

2006-01-20 10:23:20 am

Superplayer

From Wikipedia.org

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In the United States, copyright has relatively recently been made automatic, which has had the effect of making it more like a property right. Thus, as with property, a copyright need not be granted or obtained through official registration with the government.

The only thing to this is that you should put a copyright notice somewhere inside your work if you desire it to be copyrighted. This isn't mandatory, but putting it there ensures that people will realise it's copyrighted.

Speedruns are also indeed copyrighted, they are original works, and although this is generally done by playing on someone else's work, this clearly falls in the fair use policy (it does not distribute the software, and it gives credit to the appropriate creators of the work, most of the time on the title screen, or in the intro videos).

I would post more, but I'm dead tired right now, can't form a lot of clear thoughts Sad

Sir VG

2006-01-20 12:14:29 pm

Fucking Weeaboo

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Mind pointing out where he's wrong, instead of just saying "pick up a law book"? If you can.

Anyway. You came here and asked nicely if people minded you using their runs for this. Some said "go ahead", some said "no way". Now, instead of using the runs from the people who said "go ahead", you're getting hissy because some people said "no"? What did you expect, that everyone here would agree one way or the other?

Of course people like this are gonna get hissy. SOME OF US ARE DENYING POTENTIAL PROFITS.

Heaven forbid that.

Psychochild

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Psychochild: 2006-01-20 12:38:33 pm

2006-01-20 12:34:50 pm

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You might want to pick up a law book one day.

I'm glad I made this thread nonetheless, has given me an outlook to some people that work here. Although somehow I think I liked it better when I didn't know.

I won't be doing this, providing a service to the Australian people, and giving little profit made to the SDA owners.

Now, someone replied with a Wikipedia entry, but I don't put much faith into Wikipedia when anyone and I mean ANYONE (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16) can screw with it. So, I looked around for a bit and here's what I came up with.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wccc

Namely the sections What is Copyright, What Works Are Protected, How to Secure a Copyright, and Notice of Copyright. Also, check out the Berne Copyright Convention which is mentioned below.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl100.html

Also, since that's U.S. law, I felt that I should go ahead and check out what Australia has to say.

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Australia is a signatory to two international copyright conventions, the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, and the Universal Copyright Convention. The Berne Convention provides that a work, created by an author in a country which is party to the convention is accorded the same protection in member countries. There is no requirement for authors to complete any formalities to receive such protection. If rights are to be pursued in member states under the Universal Copyright Convention, all copies of a work published with the authority of the copyright owner are required to include the symbol - accompanied by the name of the copyright owner and year of publication. It should be in a manner and location that enables reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Commonwealth of Australia conforms to this requirement.

http://www.aph.gov.au/legal/copyright.htm

O RLY? YA RLY. OMG NO WAI! Australia as it happens to be, is part of the Berne Copyright Convention and our works are protected by it. They are copywritten the moment they're published online and thus I do reserve the right to say "No, you can't use my run" as does anyone who published a speed run on our site. I gave Nate and Radix permission to host and distribute the run as they see fit. I did not and will not give you permission to do the same.

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Anyway. You came here and asked nicely if people minded you using their runs for this. Some said "go ahead", some said "no way". Now, instead of using the runs from the people who said "go ahead", you're getting hissy because some people said "no"? What did you expect, that everyone here would agree one way or the other?

Oh noes! He has to email or PM the authors who he wants to copy and distribute runs of! Abandon all hope, ye who have Hotmail!

>.>

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You might want to pick up a law book one day.

I'm glad I made this thread nonetheless, has given me an outlook to some people that work here. Although somehow I think I liked it better when I didn't know.

I won't be doing this, providing a service to the Australian people, and giving little profit made to the SDA owners.[/quote]

Now, someone replied with a Wikipedia entry, but I don't put much faith into Wikipedia when anyone and I mean ANYONE (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2005/12/16) can screw with it.  So, I looked around for a bit and here's what I came up with.

http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.html#wccc

Namely the sections What is Copyright, What Works Are Protected, How to Secure a Copyright, and Notice of Copyright.  Also, check out the Berne Copyright Convention which is mentioned below.

http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl100.html

Also, since that's U.S. law, I felt that I should go ahead and check out what Australia has to say.

[quote]

Australia is a signatory to two international copyright conventions, the Berne Convention for the Protection of Literary and Artistic Works, and the Universal Copyright Convention. The Berne Convention provides that a work, created by an author in a country which is party to the convention is accorded the same protection in member countries. There is no requirement for authors to complete any formalities to receive such protection. If rights are to be pursued in member states under the Universal Copyright Convention, all copies of a work published with the authority of the copyright owner are required to include the symbol - accompanied by the name of the copyright owner and year of publication. It should be in a manner and location that enables reasonable notice of the claim of copyright. The Commonwealth of Australia conforms to this requirement. [/quote]

http://www.aph.gov.au/legal/copyright.htm

O RLY?  YA RLY.  OMG NO WAI!  Australia as it happens to be, is part of the Berne Copyright Convention and our works are protected by it.  They are copywritten the moment they're published online and thus I do reserve the right to say "No, you can't use my run" as does anyone who published a speed run on our site.  I gave Nate and Radix permission to host and distribute the run as they see fit.  I did not and will not give you permission to do the same.

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Anyway. You came here and asked nicely if people minded you using their runs for this. Some said "go ahead", some said "no way". Now, instead of using the runs from the people who said "go ahead", you're getting hissy because some people said "no"? What did you expect, that everyone here would agree one way or the other?[/quote]

Oh noes!  He has to email or PM the authors who he wants to copy and distribute runs of!  Abandon all hope, ye who have Hotmail!

>.>

Pweisger

2006-01-21 06:23:05 am

PwNzRd!

Shitberries, just credit the runners/developers of the game and let God or an equally qualified Diety sort it out. Geez!