Are these speed runs copyrighted?

VippiN

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VippiN: 2006-01-18 11:03:32 am

2006-01-18 11:02:49 am

FF8 & FF12.. Long awaited runs.

Hi all, now this is a general question, i'm asking first before doing anything so please don't get all flamey on me.

A mate of mine asked me to put some speed runs to CD as he has dialup and can't download them. I thought what if other people wanted them too?

I could put them up on Ebay.

Now it wouldn't be at a profit, but rather a service to people who enjoy the runs but can't get them.

I understand that you can buy runs off this site on DVD, but a lot of people won't touch paypal and think money orders are risky. This would be an Australia-only affair.

If I were to do this i'd give full credit to this site.

Thoughts? A post from the site owners would be appreciated muchly.

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CannibalK9

2006-01-18 11:07:36 am

give me your eyes!!!

Well the problems when eBay selling came up before were:
-profit gain from other people's work.
-no credit to the runners.

Therefore it seems fairly sensible, but I'd wait for higher conformation before the go-ahead.

Woody

2006-01-18 12:54:43 pm

I'd have no objection if perhaps you could put a tag on the video saying speed demos archive in the corner or something. And it should clearly state who its by as the run begins.

There was actually somebody on ebay doing this. There was a huge topic on it. TSA tried to stop him from selling other peoples speed runs. I'm not sure if he suceeded but this guy gave no credit to the website or the runners so you could understand why we where all a bit angry.

-Suzaku-

2006-01-18 01:13:12 pm

Eternal Understudy

I personally have no problem with it. It's a good way to spread knowledge about the site. but not only should you give credit to the site, you should personally get permission from the runner, as the run belongs to him/her, not just to SDA.

KennyMan666

2006-01-18 02:52:43 pm

Precursor

Yeah, I'm saying the same. As long as appropriate credit is given to the runners and this site, I'd have no problems with it.

darkwasabi

2006-01-18 03:16:34 pm

King of hearts

Fuck that, if any money transactions are made. Most of it should go to SDA. If it were my run, I wouldn't care about the money, all I care about is the health of SDA. And money to SDA = healthy.

-Suzaku-

2006-01-18 03:31:03 pm

Eternal Understudy

None of us are saying we want money. I'm pretty sure that everyone's in agreement that the profits should go to SDA.

nate

2006-01-18 04:25:14 pm

as long as SPEED DEMOS ARCHIVE, http://speeddemosarchive.com/ and the full name and contact information of the creator of the run appear clearly on the material in question, there should be no problem with doing this ... with my runs - i cannot and will not speak for others' runs. note that, because most people here agree that the "copyright" (albeit probably not legally binding) as it were belongs to the person(s) who created the run, you should secure permission on a case-by-case basis to distribute others' work in this way. the rights to the runs are not this site's to redistribute, as no transfer of ownership takes place when material is posted. sda is not a business.

spineshark

2006-01-18 05:12:44 pm

新世紀進歩的羽扇子音楽

OH GOD! THIS WAS MY JOB!

Ermm yeah...my brother is back at law school this week and he said his roomate might know some stuff about this. Imagine that, it might actually be a good time to ask him again.

slYnki

2006-01-18 05:49:27 pm

XXY

We've had a couple of threads about this actually. I think the most logical course of action would be what Suzaku said. Borrow our runs, we have no problem, just give credit to the runner, and to the site.

Personally, I think we need a big notice somewhere that states exactly that. "This material may only be used outside Speed Demos Archive with permission from the runner, or the administrator." I believe people may be decent enough to follow this and ask. If they aren't, and decide to post it elsewhere, we'll find out, and report it to the administrator of wherever they posted it at.

Just me :P.

TSA

2006-01-18 06:01:22 pm

Retired

The original seller said he would not, on the auction, link to the run and give credit.

He told me the point of his auction was for people who can't download the runs. If that was true, PROVIDING A LINK to our runs would not be an issue - as he wouldn't lose business since anyone who could download wouldn't buy.

He was an obviousl liar.

However - I am not fine with my runs being sold. If somebody wishes to watch them, they can get them at production cost from Nate - or myself in about a month - I'm getting an new uber PC which can capture in 1080i and I'm getting a very expensive DVD authoring suite. I will, for free, give out copies of my runs off the site, and all future runs you can get for free. Any money people insist on giving goes to SDA, as I'm not in the business of making money off Zelda - it's not my franchise.

Madzombie

2006-01-18 06:22:53 pm

pidgeons

I assume you mean "for free" as in you make zero profit, but shipping would have to be paid for?

Hitaro

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Hitaro: 2006-01-18 07:19:13 pm

2006-01-18 07:18:43 pm

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Now it wouldn't be at a profit, but rather a service to people who enjoy the runs but can't get them.

But if somebody could even go on Ebay, he/she could also easily get on SDA (both only require a PC and internet connection). If the internet connection is too crappy to even download a run, saving the money might be a good idea. If the person can go to SDA but is not allowed to download beacause of parents/not being to download beacause of parents or something like that, he/she shouldn't be allowedon Ebay or be able to purchase the vids. So, who that can't get the runs free by downloading them via SDA can purchase them via Ebay? Am I missing something?

And with money comes problems. We can't be sure if there was a sale on CDs wherever you live, but you sell them at the original price and thus making a profit, but not mentioning it or giving the money to the runners/SDA, although the profit is probably small, might still make a problem. Maybe you got the CDs as a gift. Who knows? *shrugs* Although most of us would still trust you.

And always give credits to the source (SDA) and the author (runner). The one TSA is talking about said that it was his runs and asked "if you can do better???" or something like that, even after admitting they were from SDA. What a *censored*...

That's about all I have to say.

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Now it wouldn't be at a profit, but rather a service to people who enjoy the runs but can't get them.

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But if somebody could even go on Ebay, he/she could also easily get on SDA (both only require a PC and internet connection). If the internet connection is too crappy to even download a run, saving the money might be a good idea. If the person can go to SDA but is not allowed to download beacause of parents/not being to download beacause of parents or something like that, he/she shouldn't be allowedon Ebay or be able to purchase the vids. So, who that can't get the runs free by downloading them via SDA can purchase them via Ebay? Am I missing something?

And with money comes problems. We can't be sure if there was a sale on CDs wherever you live, but you sell them at the original price and thus making a profit, but not mentioning it or giving the money to the runners/SDA, although the profit is probably small, might still make a problem. Maybe you got the CDs as a gift. Who knows? *shrugs* Although most of us would still trust you.

And always give credits to the source (SDA) and the author (runner). The one TSA is talking about said that it was his runs and asked "if you can do better???" or something like that, even after admitting they were from SDA. What a *censored*...

That's about all I have to say.

TSA

2006-01-18 07:51:42 pm

Retired

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I assume you mean "for free" as in you make zero profit, but shipping would have to be paid for?

No, I can ship for free from my office. So I mean totally free.

illuminated

2006-01-18 08:00:51 pm

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No, I can ship for free from my office. So I mean totally free.

I don't know why...but you scare me.

Madzombie

2006-01-18 09:06:33 pm

pidgeons

I don't know why, but that seems totally awesome. Actually, I do know why, because it is Grin

Zurreco

2006-01-18 09:59:14 pm

Just call me the cynicism machine

Even though it is a hassle, you could just put in a caption at the beggining of each segment saying 'this run is hosted on speeddemosarchive.com and is not meant for resale', or something. No one would go to the trouble of removing that caption just to sell it, because you could really easily call them on it and destroy their seller's reputation.

soteos

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soteos: 2006-01-18 10:20:13 pm

2006-01-18 10:17:00 pm

You could more easily call them on the fact that their gameplay and ours is exactly the same.
It just seems captions are more hassle than they're worth.

Psychochild

2006-01-18 10:46:23 pm

If my runs were worth selling in the first place even if it wasn't for profit, I'd say "No." Nate has my permission to do whatever he wishes to do with my runs, including the Data disks and full-fledged DVDs, but other than that, I would want no one else distributing them outside of Archive.org.

But that's just me.

Dark

2006-01-18 11:57:30 pm

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I don't know why...but you scare me.

Because he is generous Smiley

illuminated

2006-01-19 12:03:30 am

No... because he's almost becoming God-like in the world of Zelda.

Zurreco

2006-01-19 12:04:28 am

Just call me the cynicism machine

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You could more easily call them on the fact that their gameplay and ours is exactly the same.
It just seems captions are more hassle than they're worth.

Yes, but captions will make it impossible for them to sell the things without having all of their buyers give them shitty feedback. Also, it allows SDA to use legal action if need be*.

*need will never be

Lam6ch0p

2006-01-19 01:24:39 am

$inner

but still, common sense sometimes doesn't apply to morons as seen before

nate

2006-01-19 01:30:37 am

let's talk about the branding/watermarking more ... this was already something we were considering doing, but an elegant solution was not forthcoming. however, it could easily become a section in the faq 2.0 for people who produce their own stuff and who want to know how to do it properly.

Radix

2006-01-19 01:50:09 am

I'm addicted to games

We certainly weren't talking about doing watermarking... only a 10 second intro. But we never designed it. Tongue