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Enhasa: 2009-09-17 03:08:22 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
During my time here, I've seen people do a lot of speedruns that didn't go up on SDA. Speedrunning is fun, or else why would anyone do it? Instead of just running in solitude, with any times you achieved just disappearing in silence, why not use this community instead to foster some friendly competition and discussion? If you look at the game pages on SDA, all you can see are the best at any particular game. But now there is somewhere to share your accomplishments, even if you will never finish Super Mario Bros in 5 minutes. Wink

In this board, which is loosely modeled after high score boards such as this one, people can create threads for games they are interested in. The game might be already on SDA, it might not, it might be an indie game nobody has ever heard of, it doesn't matter. People then post their times, and the thread creator maintains a list of those times in the first post. It's really fun, you learn things about the games you like, and it builds up a nice community.

These types of boards are my favorite by a lot, and hopefully this will continue here at my favorite site. As far as I know, this is the only dedicated speedrunning board around. Smiley

Edit: Really important note! Unlike SDA main site, where the goal is a video everyone can watch, videos are not required here! In fact, pics or proof of any sort aren't required, although they can be provided if you want. We go by the honor system since it's just running for fun anyway. Also, this means that runs do not need to be done on original hardware!


Quick notes for posting a time:

  • Please do not be afraid to submit a time even if you think it sucks! Nobody will laugh at you, we are nice people. Don't worry about submitting too many times either. Sharing is always better than keeping to yourself, and why wouldn't you want to join in posting with other people who like playing the same games you do?
  • Please check to find the appropriate thread to post in. If there is no thread, by all means, make your own, or find someone who will! If the appropriate thread seems to be no longer updated, ask a mod and they can give the first post to you or someone else.
  • Please read the rules laid out by the thread owner and follow their instructions for posting.
  • If you don't remember the exact time you got, you can just estimate or say what you remember, e.g. 28:xx or ~2 hours.
  • If the game doesn't track time, you can use your own stopwatch or maybe this online stopwatch. SDA timing tends to either follow the game's own timer or go from first character control to last character control if timed manually.
  • Discussions of strategies for a game can go in the thread itself, although if you come up with any new strategies, or if you are working towards getting a run on SDA (whether yours or someone else's), it would be a good idea to discuss in a newer/older/pc thread for the game.



Quick notes for making a thread:

  • Please see if there is an existing thread before you make yours. Duplicates are not allowed for obvious reasons. Please think twice before making a thread unless you have a time of your own to contribute.
  • Don't stress yourself out or feel any big obligation. If you ever feel like you don't want to own a thread anymore, just ask and someone else will probably be happy to take it over.
  • Try to stick to one thread per game (not series, not category) unless you have a good reason for doing otherwise.
  • Don't bite off more than you can chew. It will be a lot of work managing dozens of threads. Start off with a couple games you like.
  • Don't make a thread if you're not gonna be around to update it.
  • Define the ground rules for your selected game, such as segmented and SS tracked separately, characters tracked separately, whatever.



You can get an idea on how this works from other threads, and from high score threads. Have fun!!
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I used to be athiest until I realized I was God.
i don't care if this post gets deleted:

first
this is a cool idea ...
Good idea, Hope this board works out.
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Enhasa: 2009-09-14 11:45:46 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
We're at SDA, we don't delete posts unless it's a bot that is trolling and flaming and spamming pornographic pictures all at once while simultaneously hacking the site. With lolcat pictures, it's on the bubble.


I made a Yume Penguin thread as an example cuz all I had to do was copy and paste, it was so easy.

I wonder when the gold rush will start to "claim" threads for certain games.



Edit: I want to make it super über clear that you don't have to follow my format or style or anything like that for your own threads. We don't need a lot of clones; variety is good. Also I am picking obscurer games so far but please pick stuff like Mario and Sonic and Half Life too. I'm just nice and don't want to step on any toes just yet? Just kidding!
I like this. A lot.

<3
There's already TSC for Sonic stuff. This is a nice idea though Shocked
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
General speedrunning of all games of course!


Unless TSC already does that? I know they have Mario for instance.
Highly Evolved
E.V.O. is obscure?

Although it takes about 20 tries to ever kill off the final boss, so it's never something I can ever speed through.
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
hoho I said obscurer, you missed the final r

Although, I'd say it's pretty obscure anyway. If it was published by Square instead, it wouldn't be. Also these - people seem to think it's rare enough to not be willing to let go of it for less than a fairly large amount.

There are obscurer evolution games to be sure though. Like LOL (Lack of Love) for Dreamcast. Love de lic's only decent game! (Somewhere that one love de lic fan cries, or he would if he ever read this.) PS I found him, lol what a review


Best part about this board (imagine the time lapse yourself):

<Enhasa> hey breakdown, you there?

<Breakdown> what's up

<Enhasa> <Breakdown> what's up <-- look at the forum, you're the mod of the best board of all

<Enhasa> breakdown: check sda forum

<Breakdown> wonder if the casual speedrunning board will take off
<Breakdown> MP would be a good one for the board
<Breakdown> hell any metroid with an internal timer
<Kibbo> Breakdown if I don't see 10 zelda related threads on that board by the end of week I'll be surprised
<Breakdown> and people will tlak about how to get fast times adn never post them
<Breakdown> it'll be just like every other zelda thread
<Kibbo> something along those lines
<Aftermath> you guys are making a casual SDA board on a shmup forum?
<Aftermath> or something?
<Breakdown> oh hey, I'm a mod there
<Breakdown> when did that happen
How about freeware runs? Could they be included in this forum? I know a few have been judged fine for the site (Cave Story, Nifflas games), but could others that are too small, short, or "hackable" be discussed here.

I know about www.freewareruns.com , and its a great resource , but I wanna see some of the people here give their input and show their skills.

Maybe a thread (or sticky) that lists good, runnable freeware games? Or just move one of the old ones out from the Gaming Discussion forum.

keep up the good work SDA staff
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Enhasa: 2009-09-15 12:04:09 pm
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Yes of course. More than a few are ok for SDA too. In fact, they all are, minus incredible circumstances such as: guy makes a homebrew game that says SDA SUX in flaming letters and can be beaten in 5 secs, and then runs that. The border hasn't been tested yet but assume it is that severe.

Story I give every time that you might be sick of: many people consider Seiklus to be a top-tier game of all time. When it first came out, before the hype even started, I played it as just some game and considered it one of the worst of all time. I used it as a joke for "some terrible game" like people use Daikatana, before years later I found out about its cult status. So if we have any sort of screening that would cut out some games but not others, either I would have to: 1) reject Seiklus (betraying SDA) or 2) reject a game I think is better than Seiklus (betraying myself). So, there's no reason to reject anything.


I'm a fan of FWR, but unfortunately they don't really get much action. LLCD talked to me about redirecting that domain name to SDA since there is no need for it anymore. If it was up to me (I don't care about video quality), all the FWR runs could just go on SDA as is (the Cave Story in particular will be very well-received), but you'd have to ask Mike or especially Nate about that one.

This board needs more stickies (an index would be nice, and I'm sure LLCD or TheVoid especially would be glad to maintain such a list for freewares) but I need to talk more with Breakdown first.


I'll update the first post along with something really important: PLEASE SUBMIT TIMES EVEN IF YOU THINK THEY SUCK ETC ETC. Smiley



Edit: Post in my threads guyz, unless you hate good games or something. Tongue
Quote from Enhasa:
Yes of course. More than a few are ok for SDA too. In fact, they all are, minus incredible circumstances such as: guy makes a homebrew game that says SDA SUX in flaming letters and can be beaten in 5 secs, and then runs that. The border hasn't been tested yet but assume it is that severe.


Would a speedrun of You Have To Burn The Rope qualify? Wink

More seriously, if SDA is officially accepting freeware runs now, I'll message Ultimortal on youtube and suggest he submits his Iji run here (it's amazing).

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I'm a fan of FWR, but unfortunately they don't really get much action. LLCD talked to me about redirecting that domain name to SDA since there is no need for it anymore. If it was up to me (I don't care about video quality), all the FWR runs could just go on SDA as is (the Cave Story in particular will be very well-received), but you'd have to ask Mike or especially Nate about that one.


SDA adopting all the runs from FWR would be awesome. Naturally the runs already on FWR would have to go through the SDA verification process first though; sadly there's no way the Within A Deep Forest run will get on here because it has no sound; I haven't watched any of the other FWR runs. Of course, the non-SDA-worthy ones can just be linked to from a sticky on this board.
Fucking Weeaboo
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You Have To Burn The Rope


You have to do what?  I mean, burn the rope.  That just says SOOOO much right there.  Let's give away the plot, why don't we? Tongue
Haters gonna hate
For the purposes of this board I don't see why freeware games couldn't be included as long as they require some semblance of skill to get a fast time.  Really, under the same criteria I don't see why certain flash games should be excluded.  Obviously things like Robot Dinosaurs That Shoot Beams When They Roar shouldn't be included (though it's awesome, give it a try), or things where there's an obvious time cap that's easy to hit like Achievement Unlocked, but there's definitely good candidates.  The Shift series would work well (link is for the first one, there's 4 now I think) or something like Seppukuties would be good and offer multiple categories (no death limit, low deaths, all pawprints [there'd actually be incentive to go after those then]).

Agreed we'll need an index before too long.  It's not bad now with everything on one page but that likely won't last long.

And yes, I fail at noticing I'm a mod.  And as an aside I was tempted to have my first modding action be to clean up the typos from the irc log, but we'll keep it around for historical accuracy/hilarity.  Now the whole forum can know that I r not teh bst tpyist. Smiley
Waiting hurts my soul...
Offtopic: If we're going to try and get videos from freewareruns.com on here, I wonder if there are any videos from adventure-speedruns.com that would be eligible for SDA.  I know a lot of them use emulation, but it'd be nice to see some of those games here.

Ontopic: I've been using cyberscore.net to track non-sda related times and scores, but I'll see if there's anything I still play that would be interesting to have timed here.  Sadly I don't have any of the games so far, and I don't feel right playing through emulation for anything other than short tournaments.
Quote from Enhasa:
General speedrunning of all games of course!


Unless TSC already does that? I know they have Mario for instance.


TSC's more geared to IL runs, this board would prolly work better for full-game runs though...
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
Hell yes on the Iji, it's sick.

And yeah, it pissed me off the first time that the WADF run had no sound, since it has some really sweet tracks. Is the record still done by Nifflas? It was so odd he didn't include the music since he's from #modarchive and all, but he's really odd and modest that way (although I think most of WADF's music was done by others anyway).


We're gonna have to decide on Flash. My instinct was to be for it (even if there are no particular games I care about), but I was talking to LLCD and now I'm unsure. I think the biggest issue is the nonpermanence (i.e. the author can just change or remove the game on a whim), but can't you just download the swf and play in your browser offline? This is more a thing to discuss with Mike anyway since it's ultimately up to him.

Hey we could have a run of Rose and Camellia (that slapping game from the La Mulana guys), which btw I like more than La Mulana. Wink


Zenic: I've wanted to get adventure-speedruns on SDA, but opposite of FWR, I think the a-s guy is actively opposed to having those runs on SDA (because he wants them exclusively for his site, although he has duplicated some that were submitted to SDA like Myst). Anyway, someone should fill me in, but I think most of those runs were done on SCUMM, which would make them unallowable for us.

Paraxade: It works perfectly fine for IL's too. It's just up to the thread maintainer. But yeah, if TSC already has Sonic covered, but they don't track full game, you could avoid having the same niche if you want. Or you could have info in both places, it's not a big deal either way.
Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.
I have a suggestion. Everyone, also post times for things like beating Omega Weapon in FFVIII or something like that. I love individual challenges and I'm sure everyone would love to hear about them.
sda loyalist
Well, flash is basically freeware. All we need do is store 'definitive' SWFs  and anyone can play them, from this site even. Could embed them into the casual speedrunning thread for them, if you liked.
everybody wanna tell you the meaning of music
MrNintendo: Mike and I were talking about that sort of thing, if this board should be limited to strictly speedrunning or traditional categories. We feel the answer is no, other things should be allowed, but not to advertise that fact since speedrunning is of course SDA's niche. But if you want to include challenges as categories in a thread for a game, you can do that and nobody would mind. Or maybe it would be a better idea to have one stickied thread for challenges (speak up if you'd like to maintain it) so they can all go in one place.

LDC: I agree, I don't think the nonpermanence is much more of an issue than it is for freewares. Embedding them here is a great idea, but I think some people who own the rights would be against that. Also I think some SWFs only work when connected to the original site. It would probably depend on the individual game. I don't really know much about the Flash scene though, so I could be wrong.
this is awesome
Cool, i might just do this Smiley Sorry for the question, but are flash games allowed? If so, what do you guys recommend?
Tears, they fall just like runs that are too slow.
Quote from Enhasa:
MrNintendo: Mike and I were talking about that sort of thing, if this board should be limited to strictly speedrunning or traditional categories. We feel the answer is no, other things should be allowed, but not to advertise that fact since speedrunning is of course SDA's niche. But if you want to include challenges as categories in a thread for a game, you can do that and nobody would mind. Or maybe it would be a better idea to have one stickied thread for challenges (speak up if you'd like to maintain it) so they can all go in one place.


The thread by itself thing is the exact kind of thing I was talking about, but when I said challenges, I meant speed challenges (time to kill Jecht in FFX for example). These would be interesting, seeing how fast it can go with characters having max statistics.
So, on top of this casual speedrunning board, SDA now also accepts freeware runs? Does this mean I can submit my Iji run, and would it become part of the main site and game list?

I have the original videos of the 16-segment run I uploaded to YouTube, but the video size and quality was formatted after YT's (at the time) 480*360 resolution, so it's not good quality but you can at least see all the little numbers on the HUD. There are easy ways to cheat at speedrunning Game Maker games when you have a decompiler since you can save-state, rewrite the code making random events seem to favor you etc, but that's what verifiers are for.

The secrets and tricks I used were intended to be discovered by the player with proper experimentation, and the game is no longer updated except for cosmetics, which should make it more credible for running...

*Can't wait for Cave Story runs* Smiley