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mikwuyma: 2011-07-01 01:27:15 pm
My feelings on The Demon Rush
Okay, everyone needs to read Breakdown's post, but if you still don't get it stop suggesting stuff you know is obscure/bad marathon choice and has no chance of making it. Angry Like Breakdown said, if you don't think you know anything that is marathon material, you have time to learn some games.

Cyghfer: I think it's worth doing Kirby's Avalanche once. Also, you know you can take a Chinatown bus down to DC, right? It's one dollar if you reserve way in advance. I'd actually rather have you work on alttp, since you're already focusing on it. AFAIK, you haven't even touched DKC2.

Mecha Richter: What rom said about a Richter run. Good idea, but you'd have to get a time much better than 12 minutes for me to even consider a run. You have plenty of time to practice

Molotov: Yeah, I didn't think the Shinobi stuff was worth doing last year, but I realize there were some requests for it, and it's not too long so it's worth doing. Hmm, if you don't want to God Hand, that's up to you. I understand what you mean, you did do a really good job during JRDQ. Whether you do Chaos Theory is up to you.

I didn't include Shinobi PS2 because I thought it might be a little on the not popular enough side, but I love the game and it would be an awesome watch if done well, so I'd probably allow it if someone could do an awesome job at it. I know J has expressed interest in practicing this game.

Kirby's Dream Land: It's certainly not a bad add, if nothing else.

Aftermath: I know Breakdown already talked to you about Flash games, and I have to agree with him, not really worth doing, even though some are really good watches and fun (like The Company of Myself). I think out of that list I could possibly give you PoR. I don't know how OoE NG+ works, but if it involves using a form of movement that's not only ridiculously fast but destroys everything, then people might gripe a bit. :-/

The other stuff I'm not really sold on, I know Gauntlet Legends was popular back in the day, but is it really a good watch?

Withhelde: I can give you Kid Chameleon in that list. You already went too far niche at King's Field.

UraniumAnchor: I can definitely give you Blaster Master, and I think Prince of Persia is likely worth doing if you can run it consistently.

Cool Spot is a no, and I don't think Blaster Master 2 is a really fun bad game to watch? I don't think ear bleeding counts. Sad Dead Space is a maybe. I know it's a popular game, and it might be entertaining, but I don't know enough about it.

Sir VG: I can give you Amazing Mirror in that list. However, I want all players of the game to be well-practiced, and I want some of the co-op practice to happen before we all meet up at AGDQ. Please don't list stuff you know has almost no chance of making it.

FF7 Team Relay: I think this could be a big disaster if too many people get in on this. Only 2 or 3 people max, IMO. And they better be updating me with how practice is going. In fact, I'm not entirely sold on this being a good idea in the first place, because each player needs to make sure their section roughly matches up with the previous and next section for practice.

DJS: I still think GTA games are a bad idea, sorry.

Skullboy: Dynamite Headdy is already being done at SGDQ. I like the game a lot, but I'm not entirely sold it's worth it doing the game for AGDQ, especially since scheduling is going to be ridiculously tight as is. Contra Hard Corps low% is really tedious and boring, IMO. And Knuckles Chaotix is a 32x game, nuff said.

ZakkyDraggy: I love Metal Combat, but you and I both know it has no chance. Strider is a nice add, it's a short arcade classic.

Trio the Punch would be hilarious. Could be casual race of the year! Cheesy

Tigger77: Glad you're understanding about Link's Awakening.

Lag.Com: That's awesome you're willing to do Quake. It's nice to see a marathon finally getting the game that started it all for SDA. Oblivion is a good replacement for Morrowind. Magicka sounds good (I really need to finish that game). I guess Peggle is Thexder Neo status, and I know Ultima Underworld is a revered classic among PC gamers, but I'm not sure it's the best choice. I don't know how entertaining it would be, or how long it is. BTW, I'm fine if you do stuff on dosbox as long as the game is worth doing.

Mike89: I can easily give you all of the Sonic stuff you suggested. Sorry about Colors, but a lot of people do like that game so yeah it's probably getting in.

As for the other stuff, you make a good point about RKA, doing a hard marathon run might require too many conservative strats to make it worth doing for a marathon. Pokemon Blue is obviously worth doing, and I don't mind if you save a bit here and there to account for luck. I'm sorry, but I don't think Splosion Man is worth doing, it's a great game, but like you said, it's probably too long for what it is.

Zyre: Out of that list, Timesplitters 2 is the best suggestion. I don't know about Future Perfect so maybe that's also a good suggestion, but you need to pick one game or the other.

About Gunstar Heroes, it has nothing to do with how many games I have. I can pick this game up in a day or two (that's not even an exaggeration), and it's a zero-effort game for me, but I don't think it's worth doing again. I'm bored of the game, and it doesn't really get much of a response anyway (from chat or donations), so I'd rather just give it up.

Guardian Heroes might be worth it, kinda unlikely though. Maybe we can do a Treasure Block during another marathon or AGDQ 2013?

Breakdown: Thank you for that post.

Gearstrike: Repping the awful games, nice. Cheesy

Andrewg: If you can't practice a game, you don't get to play it. We all saw what happened when you couldn't practice your games, let's not repeat that again.

qubit/TheEnglishman: We need someone willing to play the game first, so I'll worry about it only if someone actually offers to play the game. FFS, if someone suggested Heaven or Hell I would kick them in the nuts.

Cosmo: Well if you come I can give you those games. Also, you get jokes. <_<

Pootrain: Sounds good, I'm not entirely sure about Limbo, so I'll have to see how it does during SGDQ.

Gragle_dump: I'm not really sold on Sunshine since that's the 3d mario that gets a lot of hate.

Dr. Mario: YES!! I'm so glad not to see the game again. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Satoryu: X8 is a no. It's more well liked than 5-7, but it still has a really mixed response from fans.

If Sayuri is the only way to run HCU, then fuck HCU. It's probably not even worth doing even if character donations are involved. I know that Other M suggestion is a joke, but seriously don't waste my time with suggestions like that. :-/

No More Heroes? I know it's a cult classic, so it might be worth doing. I have no idea if it's a good watch though.

Bomberman 64: It probably is the best bomberman for a marathon, but that's saying we should have a bomberman game for a marathon, and I'm not really convinced we need one.

Zenic: You are not helping. Don't throw out unfocused lists of games.

Footbigmike: Scott Pilgrim has been suggested to me as a Castle Crashers replacement, but the big problem is no way to practice online.

Also, I'm going to update the main topic with some of the better suggestions I've received since this topic was made. Also, I forgot to include TMNT4 co-op in that list of games I made.

Phew, that was a long post.
perhaps sunshine would be more interesting if i could get a bro to race with *cough aneeslol* although i have been in some of the popular mario 64 streams and have seen some requests to see the streamer play sunshine. in the end its your decision tho, its cool if its not happening =]
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Cyghfer: I think it's worth doing Kirby's Avalanche once. Also, you know you can take a Chinatown bus down to DC, right? It's one dollar if you reserve way in advance. I'd actually rather have you work on alttp, since you're already focusing on it. AFAIK, you haven't even touched DKC2.

Sounds good, I'll just work on getting LttP as consistent as possible then, and save DKC2 for future marathons. Glad to hear it @ Kirby's Avalanche, and yeah, I'm definitely taking a Chinatown bus if I can come.
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sinister1: 2011-07-01 01:30:37 pm
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so pro u don't even know
MTPO: Obv, as long as we fix the lag from last AGDQ that is why I lost to Tyson btw. It is actually a miracle that I beat him in the rematch.

Ninja Gaiden: I already declared my intentions, I just need to hear from Jman or anyone else who will race this.

Double Dragon II: We have 6 confirmed (Heidman you have no choice, sry) players now so 3 way co-op race should be sick. Fairest teams IMO are: Me/Mike, PJ/Heidman, and DK28/jprophet22.

Mega Man 2: If no one else is planning to run this, I definitely will.

TMNT IV: Co-op starring mikwuyma, I will gladly be the Robin to his Batman.
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mikwuyma: 2011-07-01 01:38:44 pm
My feelings on The Demon Rush
Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to address.

Essentia: You do have a good point about 7 possibly crushing X in donations, but I don't know any other Final Fantasies that could face off against each other.

Nitrodon: If we did that bidding war, then we'd let donations for each games count towards a name.

Molotov: I actually haven't made a spreadsheet yet, so if you want to make one, be my guest.
FF1 could, but it's 4 hours at the absolute worst. Plus there's the whole "can I even get there yet" factor, which makes me super unreliable. Tongue
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Mecha Richter: 2011-07-01 11:57:05 pm
Mecha Richter: 2011-07-01 01:51:09 pm
Haters gonna hate
I could do much faster than 12 minutes on Richter mode. I'm honestly not even sure why I suggested such a high completion time. Guess I was just being ridiculous. Smiley

I'm gonna tinker with other characters on HCU because I don't want to see the game get scrapped because it's a really fun game. To make it even easier, how would you fancy the idea of me still playing on Rising Mode? That way, in the off chance I take damage or die, I can still run through it fairly quick until a new weapon is acquired. At this point, I can only run Arcade Mode with Sayuri (and I know you hate seeing that name constantly), but I'll still practice. We'll see how well it goes in a month or so.

I suggested this to you before but I wasn't sure if you saw it. I know you said EWJ was done, but I wanted to throw the idea of doing EWJHD out there. I could do easy difficulty which allows me to plow through stages with no regards to bothering with enemies in my way, or I can do original difficulty (which I think is the equivalent to normal difficulty on EWJ) which means I have to take it a bit slower, but can still get through it quickly. I also have a couple neat tricks I learned I would like to try out (they require dying, but they save time). On top of that, EWJHD introduces three bonus stages that are played separately, so I was gonna suggest the idea of offering those stages as a donation bonus.

A couple other games I could consider doing if enough people care to see them:

Jumping Flash! 2 (PS1) I played this game on stream a few times and people seemed to enjoy watching it. The cutscenes are funny in a ridiculous way too, so I could offer to play them for donations.
Formerly known as Skullboy
I've looked over the first few posts  and I can do Mega Man 3 since a good number of people apparently wanted it last year. 
The Speedrunning Teacher
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Zyre: Out of that list, Timesplitters 2 is the best suggestion. I don't know about Future Perfect so maybe that's also a good suggestion, but you need to pick one game or the other.

Alright, put me down for Timesplitters 2.
I'm not sure if anyone else who is coming has experience with it, but I would totally love to try learning Psychonauts (PC version) for the marathon.  Of course, just my luck, my current PC just blew up, but I think my older system should be good enough to run it for it at least until I can get a new one.  Of course I don't want to step on anyone else's toes, so if anyone else who is going would be a better pick for it then by all means.  I can't really think of anything else, since the only games I'd be able to do are really long (SO3, JFG, ToS)), or other people can do them much better, but I don't mind coming just to watch either.
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I can run Sonic 1, 25-30 minutes real time would be a safe estimate.

No More Heroes is also something I can do, a new game+ would be much better to watch since it would not have any grinding and would have all the assassins in a quick line.

I have Ecco on the genesis, I have never tried to speed run it, but I would be willing to start practicing if people want it.

Would a Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap run be out of the question?  I'm not really sure on its cult status, but it is fun to play and watch.
I don't even know what the fuck this is
im running games bitch

Mega Man 3 - Pretty straightforward... maybe someone will want to race?
Mega Man X - I know some people wanted to race this game... I'd be fine doing low% or 100% based on donations.
Mega Man X2 - Same as X1.
Mega Man 10 - Let's go, duckfist!
Super Mario 64 70-star or 120-star - This is a big maybe, but I'm practicing the game now for fun. Maybe I'll have it done by the marathon.
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Waiting hurts my soul...
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Zenic: You are not helping. Don't throw out unfocused lists of games.

Are you calling it unfocused because I won't be able to pick any of them up for the marathon or did you want me to defend the game choices? I'm suggesting someone be able to pick up one or two of these games as I think they'll be well received. I don't understand why you shot me down with no explanation when you invited us to suggest games. If you need an explanation then here it is, but you should state that as a requirement for suggesting games.

Popular Games:
Assassin's Creed II - Fun to watch. This is on or above the same level as Prince of Persia's acrobatics. I'd steer clear of the first game because of necessary backtracking.
At the 2009 Spike Video Game Awards, Assassin's Creed II was named Best Action Adventure Game, and IGN named it as the Action Game of the Year for Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 Game of the Year. Game Informer also named it as Xbox 360 Game of the Year.It also received Game of the Year from GamePro, Eurogamer and The New York Times. Assassin's Creed II  has been nominated for the "Outstanding Achievement in Animation", "Outstanding Achievement in Art Direction", "Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering", "Outstanding Achievement in Game Play Engineering", "Outstanding Achievement in Original Story", "Outstanding Achievement in Original Music Composition", "Outstanding Achievement in Sound Design", "Outstanding Achievement in Game Direction", "Adventure Game of the Year" and "Overall Game of the Year" Interactive Achievement Awards from the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences. The game was also nominated for several Game Developers Choice Awards including "Best Game Design", "Best Visual Art", "Best Technology", and "Game of the Year"

inFAMOUS - Another popular game from the creators of Sly Cooper. It's fun to watch, but similar too Assassin's Creed that it might not be good to have it in the same marathon. I also don't know what a good time estimate would be. The second one came out recently, but hasn't been as well received only getting above average scores.
IGN awarded Infamous Best Story, and Game of the Year and Best Acting at the 2009 Golden Game Awards. Infamous  was also nominated for four other Golden Game Awards, including Best PlayStation 3 Game, Best Graphics, Best Independent Game, and Studio of the Year.

On September 4, 2010 Infamous was ranked fifth in "The Top 25 PlayStation 3 Games" of IGN, stating that "when Infamous was released on PlayStation 3 in the spring of 2009, it quickly became clear that this was unlike any sandbox game anyone had ever played.

Prototype - A game very similar to inFAMOUS, and possibly more popular... plus with a sequel coming out next year. This is the developers first original IP, and it was very well received.
The Xbox 360 version of Prototype was the top selling game of June 2009 in North America, with over 419,900 units sold. Prototype was released two weeks after Sucker Punch Productions's Infamous, a game with many similar concepts including a character with superpowers, and a large open world environment that can be traveled by climbing up buildings and gliding about the city. This led many game critics to compare and contrast the games. In his Zero Punctuation review of Prototype, Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw compared the two games point for point, and determined that he could not tell which was the better game - Prototype won on open world gameplay and combat, while Infamous  won on story and side missions - and jokingly challenged the respective studios to "produce the best image of the rival game's main character wearing a bra" as a tiebreaker.  To his surprise, both development teams rose to the challenge, producing said images, and forcing Croshaw to call it a near-tie, edging out in favor of Infamous, though he still noted that, like their games, both images created independently were nearly equal in the themes that they included.


Out of those three, I suggest only having one at the marathon, and my vote goes towards Assassin's Creed II unless someone has a good reason (game is faster, cool glitches to show off) one of the others should be in first.

Bioshock - Very well awarded, hyped, and watchable with all the glitches that can be accomplished. PC versions are probably the best choices to fit all the glitches. There's so much praise lavished on the first title, and while the second sold well, I'm not able to find any game of the year awards for it. I'm just going to link wikipedia this time since it's so long: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioshock#Awards

and Radix mentioned Mass Effect, which wasn't included on the list, but you already have a runner, so why not put it in? The second is also extremely popular with both getting many game of the year awards and high sales.

Cult Classics:
Twisted Metal - Either the first or second could cover this, but this series is usually fondly remembered, and anyone who has played it has liked it. Probably a game to play closer to the end of the night since I don't know how many remember it, but it did get EGMs game of the year in 1995. It's also a fairly short run (< 30 minutes). Voting for character choice.
Tenchu - Another one that if most people played it, they would probably say they enjoyed it. I don't see it talked about much, but it'd be a nice fit for a ninja game block. Also, voting for the guy or girl ninja.
Jumping Flash! - Less known than the two above, but everyone I've spoken with has fond memories of this game. It's fun to watch, and should get people asking "what is this game, it looks so weird/cool/trippy." I also think someone was already working on a run (mecha richter?), so you should have someone to hit up for route strategies.

The above three are PS1 games and haven't aged well graphically, so I'd suggest putting them out of prime time, but I think they'd be good filler for the night shift.

Okay sure, these two are unfocused:
Some kind of short adventure game (e.g. Maniac Mansion, Grim Fandango, Monkey Island) - Maniac Mansion is short (less than 10 minutes) and has a cult following. The other two would be PC games, have strong cult followings, but I think we only need one, so I suggest Maniac Mansion. Possible donations for ending, but it'd increase the time quite a bit for anything but the fastest; also, might be possible to donate for character choice.

Smash Bros - I don't know which game of the series is most popular right now, and the game will determine what modes can be run. This is a very popular series though, and short runs of whatever adventure mode or ending can get you. Also, adds voting for which character to play with. Might as well go with the latest (Super Smash Bros. Brawl?) title unless someone has a better reason or more experience with one of the other titles.
Stalker!
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Bioshock


i wont recommend it.  The tricks you do in the game random as hell and if you follow the normal route the run would be boring to watch

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and Radix mentioned Mass Effect (2?).

i made a run of the first one and working currently on the 2nd game.
The first one is easier but requires more planning, this one would be doable .
Waiting hurts my soul...
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Bioshock

i wont recommend it.  The tricks you do in the game random as hell and if you follow the normal route the run would be boring to watch

Any idea if Bioshock 2 is more suited for running live? I remember reading about a floating glitch.
Stalker!
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Any idea if Bioshock 2 is more suited for running live? I remember reading about a floating glitch.


i played ran the first three level. but as you can see its quiet boring, because its uses a massive amount of scripts you cant avoid and nearly everything which could be abused in the first game cant be done in the second.

i assume a  speed through of bioshock 2 would be even more boring, then a  bioshock 1
Goatragon!
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ZakkyDraggy: I love Metal Combat, but you and I both know it has no chance. Strider is a nice add, it's a short arcade classic.

Yeah, you're right about Metal Combat.  As for Strider, definitely why I offered it.

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EDIT: seems like a TRIO RACE is to come Cheesy

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Trio the Punch would be hilarious. Could be casual race of the year!

Cheesy

So for me, now, I'd be up for Strider and a Trio the Punch race.
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PJ: 2011-07-01 04:11:35 pm
Is PJ
Pootrain reminded me that we can do the ultimate contribution to bad game block:

CO-OP LAWNMOWER MAN!

This actually won't be too difficult after we work on the bosses some more.  We can practice on ZSNES' netplay feature, so we'd be good to go.  I am unsure how entertaining it would be to others, but I think the game is a riot co-op and it's pretty short.

Edit:  Also, <3 Trio the Punch.
train kept rollin
The stream will be in awe of the turbo tunnel.
torch slug since 2006
Wouldnt we need a disclaimer on the stream for motion sickness or whatever its called?
Is PJ
Nah, Lawnmower Man is fine.  Playing Mohawk & Headphone Jack in front of thousands of viewers would get SDA shut down, though.
Fish. Blub blub.
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YES.
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torch slug since 2006
Oh it was Mohawk & Headphone Jack, my bad.

Game suggestion: Dragons Lair, its short, and legendary. Although the US version sucks because of lots of lag. It might be possible to play a PAL copy of it in a region free NES, it should run at NTSC speed but might have glitches then, idk.
welcome to the machine
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We can practice on ZSNES' netplay feature


hahahahahah you're so screwed.

I'm not sure if I can come.  Got no commitments that'd stop me right now, but I expect to pick up some later, so we'll see how that goes.  re: stuff I can run: I can try going with ALttP too (picking up a 1.0 cart as we speak, and have US if breakdown can't find one).  cyghfer probably works harder than me though, so that may not pan out.  RKA, we'll see if I can do it on hard consistently after I'm done with the run.  Super Metroid, UraniumAnchor made me promise to race him if I go.

Other things I could try learning: f-zero gx, shadow of the colossus, and ecco 1.  Those would all be gigantic time sinks though, so someone (i.e. mike :p) would need to say "try learning these" pretty soon.  And I'm not even sure I'm coming, soooooooo yeah.  Wish I could list sa2b and metroid prime here, but mike89 can have the former and there's no way I'd be able to compete with parax and miles for the latter in only a few months.
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We can practice on ZSNES' netplay feature


hahahahahah you're so screwed.


Netplay is not horrible, from my experience.  It's a slow moving game except for the flight sim parts, but only one person plays those anyways.  We can both practice the flight sims individually so we'd be fine for the marathon.  Even if netplay lags a lot, it would be mostly inconsequential because the game is pretty straightforward.