Shovel Knight

2014-07-16 05:48:48 pm

I failed to see what lemons have to do with speedrunning. Let the people run what they want and whatever is both skillful and has community support shall live for all eternity

UberGoose

2014-07-16 05:49:30 pm

I don't mean you, and I gave you my argument, you should probably stop trying to instigate something. This is downright childish.

Ramsus88

2014-07-16 06:02:05 pm

Quote from Garrison:

Let the people run what they want and whatever is both skillful and has community support shall live for all eternity

Agreed.

I don't see the point of all this hubbub. If you wanna run no overworld rng% then do it. If you don't, don't. Whatever more ppl end up liking and running will become the defacto run I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just wanna have fun and go fast and overworld rng is detrimental to both.

Wawlconut

2014-07-16 06:03:26 pm

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MicrowaveJack

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2014-07-16 06:13:36 pm

Quote from Ramsus88:

Quote from Garrison:

Let the people run what they want and whatever is both skillful and has community support shall live for all eternity

Agreed.

I don't see the point of all this hubbub. If you wanna run no overworld rng% then do it. If you don't, don't. Whatever more ppl end up liking and running will become the defacto run I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just wanna have fun and go fast and overworld rng is detrimental to both.

This.

There will always be people who see some categories as more legit than others. Those people can choose to disregard whatever times, runners, and WRs they so choose. But you should run what you want and see what people enjoy more.

Some bring up valid points in saying that there are a lot of games with frustrating RNG, and that the best runners have chosen to grind past it -- but those games don't have options to avoid it. How many categories and routes developed because something wasn't consistent enough, or a particular RNG section added too much variability to the run? So just let things develop organically, and relax

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[quote="Ramsus88"][quote="Garrison"]Let the people run what they want and whatever is both skillful and has community support shall live for all eternity[/quote]
Agreed.

I don't see the point of all this hubbub.  If you wanna run no overworld rng% then do it.  If you don't, don't.  Whatever more ppl end up liking and running will become the defacto run I suppose. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I just wanna have fun and go fast and overworld rng is detrimental to both.[/quote]

This.

There will always be people who see some categories as more legit than others. Those people can choose to disregard whatever times, runners, and WRs they so choose. But you should run what you want and see what people enjoy more.

Some bring up valid points in saying that there are a lot of games with frustrating RNG, and that the best runners have chosen to grind past it -- but those games don't have options to avoid it. How many categories and routes developed because something wasn't consistent enough, or a particular RNG section added too much variability to the run? So just let things develop organically, and relax

Obligatory USA USA USA USA USA USA

CptBrian

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CptBrian: 2014-07-16 06:21:12 pm

2014-07-16 06:20:56 pm

Relax

(Low%) Found an even faster way to kill Propeller Knight than before, as well as E2.
I haven't recorded the Propeller one yet, but here's E2:
http://www.twitch.tv/cptbrian/c/4678925
If you can get 8 hits in on the first cycle, she goes straight to slam attacks, then hope Shield Knight cooperates a little more to get on top of her again after a combo or two.

z1mb0bw4y

2014-07-16 07:02:18 pm

Gets the cake.

I think I'm going to pick up speedrunning pokemon blue this weekend. I don't want to have to react to random encounters or enemy move selection, though, so I'm going to use a gameshark code to force all enemies to use non-damaging attacks and I'll disable random encounters. I feel that this makes a run of the game much more skill-based because I don't have to react to anything and can instead blindly execute a route. Any thoughts?

CptBrian

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2014-07-16 07:04:26 pm

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Copilot

2014-07-16 07:06:51 pm

Ruling the cosmos!

Totally different matter. Altering the game externally is an entirely different issue, and hell, wouldn't be an issue at all.

z1mb0bw4y

2014-07-16 07:07:40 pm

Gets the cake.

Quote from CptBrian:

Quote from z1mb0bw4y:

I think I'm going to pick up speedrunning pokemon blue this weekend. I don't want to have to react to random encounters or enemy move selection, though, so I'm going to use a gameshark code to force all enemies to use non-damaging attacks and I'll disable random encounters. I feel that this makes a run of the game much more skill-based because I don't have to react to anything and can instead blindly execute a route. Any thoughts?

Bad troll attempt, and you clearly misunderstand. If there was a code to do that in the game, it would probably be used.

You're right, I'm sure it would be used just like the GT code in super metroid or impulse 101 in half-life 2.

zastbat

2014-07-16 07:07:57 pm

Lord Of The Beards

wait I can use cheat codes that are in game to get ez wr? brb using level select in sonic games to get ez wr

CptBrian

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CptBrian: 2015-07-29 01:59:17 pm

2014-07-16 07:10:15 pm

Relax

Yes, exactly what I said was "all cheats are fair use in every game because they're in the game."
There's an exception here because it's map RNG that adds nothing to the run and requires no skill.

UberGoose

2014-07-16 07:12:28 pm

I'll use that as my argument for using the 1 hit boss cheat, it only removes RNG that isn't even interesting, also it normalizes run times for less resets!!

z1mb0bw4y

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z1mb0bw4y: 2014-07-16 07:13:38 pm

2014-07-16 07:13:09 pm

Gets the cake.

SDA literally already said they wouldn't accept a run with the cheat on, and I feel like every other speedgame community would see you guys as special little snowflakes for thinking that runs with cheats are legitimate in any way. Except minecraft, but let's not get into that...

Wawlconut

2014-07-16 07:14:18 pm

Actually we see them as a joke as of right now.

zastbat

2014-07-16 07:15:02 pm

Lord Of The Beards

dude this argument is great noclip is an in game code right? im tired of all the rng with going oob in games lets just no clip everywhere it will make every speedrun better and more skillful

Garrison

2014-07-16 07:16:31 pm

Actually as a former Super Metroid runner I think power to the players

z1mb0bw4y

2014-07-16 07:16:36 pm

Gets the cake.

Quote from zastbat:

dude this argument is great noclip is an in game code right? im tired of all the rng with going oob in games lets just no clip everywhere it will make every speedrun better and more skillful

Portal has a lot of RNG in it, I think I'll just "map escape_02" and then use ent_fire to activate the credits trigger. Those are both in-game and they remove a LOT of RNG, leading to more skillful and execution based speedruns.

Wawlconut

2014-07-16 07:19:14 pm

Also what SDA accepts and doesn't accept should have no bearing on the communities.

CptBrian

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MicrowaveJack

2014-07-16 07:20:54 pm

The irony of individual 'purists' trying to call everyone else special snowflakes

Can we please just have fun and play games

RamblingJosh

2014-07-16 07:22:39 pm

Many words! Handle it!

Ok ok this is way out of hand.

Can we just agree to have any% and any% no overworld NPC categories and go about running our categories in harmony?

UberGoose

2014-07-16 07:24:16 pm

I'd say I'm pretty logically debating this. What I do on twitter has nothing to do with shovel knight.

The thing that has yet to be addressed by people defending the code, there are many other games (mostly RPG) with random encounters, some encounters add nothing to gameplay and simply lose time, how many of those games do you see people using codes to remove those encounters?

Wawlconut

2014-07-16 07:25:36 pm

1) What are these games?
2) What is the RNG in question of these games?
3) Do they have anything in them that can remove this RNG?

Garrison

2014-07-16 07:25:49 pm

Why compare other games to begin with?

That aside, how many games even have codes specifically to reduce rng from glorified menus?